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(Among the top 30) Who will enter the Top 10 in 2011?

Blackbriar
12-27-2010, 04:09 PM
Top 20 will certainly, but top 30?
Not only on year-end, but anytime during the year, including newcomers.

theseth1119
12-27-2010, 04:11 PM
JMDP. I expect him to be anywhere from #3-5 by the end of 2011. He's definitely in the same league as Chokovic and Murray.

r2473
12-27-2010, 05:07 PM
Monfils is currently ranked 12. He has nothing to defend early season. He will be in the top 10 very soon. Not sure why he isn't in your poll.

-AO; R32
- Indian Wells; R64
-Miami; nothing
-Rome; nothing
-Madrid; quarters
-Roland Garros; R64

Tsonga is the opposite. His points came early in the season and he has nothing to defend starting in the summer (Canada) due to his extended injury. He is currently ranked 13. Barring injury (which never happens for him), he will for sure be in the top 8.

Fish is ranked 16. He has 10 points to defend at the Australian and 25 points at Indian Wells. He did make the R16 in Miami. He really has nothing to defend in the majors until US Open. He could easily make top 10.

Almagro and Cilic have lots of early season points to defend, so they will probably drop out of the top 20 for a while. Hope not. Ferrer has nothing to defend at AO, but lots of clay points. Don't see him defending those. He will drop like a stone. Roddick has big point to defend at Brisbane, AO, Indian Wells, and Miami. He will also drop for a while, but should do well at Wimby and the US hardcourts and end in the top 10 again. I'm curious to see if Berdych can stay in the top 10. Hope so. I think Soderling will hold.

Not thinking we'll see any big surprises this year in terms of someone vaulting into the top 10. Looks like the current group will pretty much hold their positions (taking into account what I said above).

Ibracadabra
12-27-2010, 05:12 PM
Nalbandian. He's top 30 already with literally nothing to defend bar washington.

bhathiya9999
12-27-2010, 05:13 PM
Davydenko surely will be in top 10

abraxas21
12-27-2010, 05:19 PM
Kolya.

Nadull_tard
12-27-2010, 05:20 PM
Davydenko should return to the top 10 with ease.

simplet
12-27-2010, 05:28 PM
What do we have here? A poll by Blackbriar stacked with a retarded selection of frenchmen. Must have been at least 2 days since the last one.

As much as I like him, the idea of Llodra entering the top 10 is preposterous. Even if he was good enough, he'd still tank every other tournament. And not having Monfils in the poll is stupid. The only way he doesn't get into top 10 is if he gets injured (which granted is quite possible).

No Del Potro in your list is also really dunb of course.

Roger the Dodger
12-27-2010, 05:34 PM
JMDP. I expect him to be anywhere from #3-5 by the end of 2011. He's definitely in the same league as Chokovic and Murray.

:haha: Have you lost your mind?

What do we have here? A poll by Blackbriar stacked with a retarded selection of frenchmen. Must have been at least 2 days since the last one.


...does everybody else see Richard Gasquet creep into the poll or is it only on my screen? :lol:

No Del Potro in your list is also really dunb of course.

No way is Potro going to be top ten in 2011.

r2473
12-27-2010, 05:41 PM
No way is Potro going to be top ten in 2011.

Sydney will tell us a lot. So will AO.

I don't know how anyone could know anything about his current condition / comeback possibilities unless you are in his inner circle and have been working with him the past year.

oranges
12-27-2010, 05:56 PM
No way is Potro going to be top ten in 2011.

Why so sure? If he gets back in form by mid-season, it's not a foregone conclusion at all. Of course, getting back to his level of before is not a given either, but whoever is capable of really deep runs in slams and masters can end up in top 10.

I second simplet's comment about Mika :lol:

Montanes, Pico and Troicki get there only in SF stories.

Roger the Dodger
12-27-2010, 06:19 PM
Why so sure? If he gets back in form by mid-season, it's not a foregone conclusion at all. Of course, getting back to his level of before is not a given either, but whoever is capable of really deep runs in slams and masters can end up in top 10.


You guys are funny. You think the tour's stacked with his best friends who'd like to see him rise, eh? Every one on tour - including the # 1, would like to whack him out of his confidence now that they have a chance. As it is he'll have to try very hard to come back to his consistent brickwall level of play with a wrist that's not been played for long. And if he's to raise the level to his ballbashing best of USO 2009 (and only with that level can he expect to speed into the top ten by year end), he has to dig deep. How much tennis must he play to get to that level. Logically:

Top 50. Yes.
Top 10. No.
Sorry. Hard facts.

Sydney will tell us a lot. So will AO.

I don't know how anyone could know anything about his current condition / comeback possibilities unless you are in his inner circle and have been working with him the past year.

Bangkok 2010. 'nuff said.

Comeback boy :rolleyes:
...not till 2012.

AnDrEi.b
12-27-2010, 06:20 PM
Vamos Juan !

ApproachShot
12-27-2010, 06:24 PM
Probably Monfils and Tsonga, but they may or may not be in the hunt for the last qualification spot at the WTF. I also feel optimistic about Del Potro's chances. On the flip side I see Berdych, Roddick and Ferrer not doing as well as they did in 2010, but Tomas should still make the WTF (I think Verdasco will as well).

Blackbriar
12-27-2010, 06:28 PM
I modified the title so that everybody understand clearly: I just added all the players from 21 to 30.
Wen know top 15 players will all enter the top 10 at one point or another, it's a mathematical evidence. Top 30 is another story.

r2473
12-27-2010, 06:31 PM
Bangkok 2010. 'nuff said.

Comeback boy :rolleyes:
...not till 2012.

Bangkok was 3 months ago. 4 months separate Bangkok and AO. You must have some inside information to be so confident that his 2011 season is over already......or you are simply a dipshit.

http://www.thailandopen.org/

You are as bad as the guys saying he will be in the top 10. Both of you (and the rest of the world) have no idea.

Roger the Dodger
12-27-2010, 06:42 PM
Bangkok was 3 months ago. 4 months separate Bangkok and AO. You must have some inside information to be so confident that his 2011 season is over already......or you are simply a dipshit.

http://www.thailandopen.org/

You are as bad as the guys saying he will be in the top 10. Both of you (and the rest of the world) have no idea.

Could you be any smugger?

Bangkok indicated that his wrist had not completely healed. After which he hasn't played for the rest of the year. You expect him to get back to his winning ways as soon as he touches court, eh? You think he will win Sydney and AO back to back coming from a year off? You are as deluded as the rest of them here.

Potro's going to struggle for the first half of the year. If he touches the top hundred by then, its a job well done.

Sapeod
12-27-2010, 06:42 PM
Would be amazing if Montanes could manage to grind his way into the top 10.
I went for him, simply because I want that to happen.

Being realistic though, I can only see Davydenko (if he plays well all season) and Troicki (if he plays his best all season) getting into the top 10.

All the others, except for Nalbandian have no chance. Nalbandian has a good chance if he plays more consistently than normal, but I don't see that happening. I can see him putting in some brilliant performances before getting injured again.

r2473
12-27-2010, 06:51 PM
Could you be any smugger?

Bangkok indicated that his wrist had not completely healed. After which he hasn't played for the rest of the year. You expect him to get back to his winning ways as soon as he touches court, eh? You think he will win Sydney and AO back to back coming from a year off? You are as deluded as the rest of them here.

Potro's going to struggle for the first half of the year. If he touches the top hundred by then, its a job well done.

I'm adopting a "wait and see" attitude. You seem to be the one with the confidence..................

The OP's question also asks about players chances for 2011. I see 2011 is going to have a full 12 months, just like 2010, 2009........so it is possible, just possible that we shouldn't completely write off his entire 2011 season (as you indicate).

Personally, I think Delpo is overhyped even when healthy, but I'm not that confident in this statement. He won a slam and is capable of some really good tennis. Hope he can get back into top form, but most of us (excepting you of course) are just going to have to wait and see.

oranges
12-27-2010, 07:23 PM
You guys are funny. You think the tour's stacked with his best friends who'd like to see him rise, eh? Every one on tour - including the # 1, would like to whack him out of his confidence now that they have a chance. As it is he'll have to try very hard to come back to his consistent brickwall level of play with a wrist that's not been played for long. And if he's to raise the level to his ballbashing best of USO 2009 (and only with that level can he expect to speed into the top ten by year end), he has to dig deep. How much tennis must he play to get to that level. Logically:

Top 50. Yes.
Top 10. No.
Sorry. Hard facts.

Comeback boy :rolleyes:
...not till 2012.

Honestly, you're being ridiculous. There's no way to say how long it might take him to get back to his best form, it might be quick, it might be half a season, it might be never, but you obviously know better :o As if there's a shortage of players who've been out with serious injuries like that and the range of examples how much it took them to get fully back. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's not primarily down to what the other top dogs have to say about it. To be perfectly clear, I'm not convinced he'll do it, either in 2011 or in 2012, but I'm even less convinced there's certainty he won't. In fact, the only way that can be predicted with reasonable certainty is if he has to change the FH for the sake ofhis wrist, than it would certainly take him a looong time. Other than that, you have no more clue about it than any of us.

oranges
12-27-2010, 07:26 PM
Erm, why would all those in top 20 or even in the top 15 certainly enter the top 10 at some point?

r2473
12-27-2010, 08:02 PM
Erm, why would all those in top 20 or even in the top 15 certainly enter the top 10 at some point?

Huh?

Hellraiser
12-27-2010, 08:24 PM
Nalbandian

oranges
12-27-2010, 09:06 PM
Huh?

That was in response to this

I modified the title so that everybody understand clearly: I just added all the players from 21 to 30.
Wen know top 15 players will all enter the top 10 at one point or another, it's a mathematical evidence. Top 30 is another story.

superganon
12-27-2010, 09:09 PM
im going for nalby and wawrinka. wawa has so much talent aswell and i hope lundgren can get this guys straight!

r2473
12-27-2010, 09:26 PM
That was in response to this

Sorry, I never read what Blackbriar says too closely. It never makes sense anyway.

Sonja1989
12-27-2010, 10:49 PM
Davydenko and Nalbandian. And I hope Gulbis.

RedHotRafa
12-28-2010, 12:15 AM
I'll rate their chances of out 100%

Wawrinka, Stanislas-----10%
Davydenko, Nikolay------85%
Llodra, Michael---------15%
Gulbis, Ernests---------50%
Montanes, Albert--------0%
Monaco, Juan------------0%
Nalbandian, David-------20%
Troicki, Viktor---------65%
Ferrero, Juan Carlos----5%
Gasquet, Richard--------0%

Ibracadabra
12-28-2010, 12:26 AM
llodra has 0% chance.

misty1
12-28-2010, 12:56 AM
davy will have next to nothing to defend after february so even if he cant defend his early results from 2010 he'll be gaining points everywhere he goeas after that so he'll be back in the top 10 by the end of 2011.

simplet
12-28-2010, 09:10 AM
davy will have next to nothing to defend after february so even if he cant defend his early results from 2010 he'll be gaining points everywhere he goeas after that so he'll be back in the top 10 by the end of 2011.

Can someone explain this reasoning to me? He has no point because he's been playing like shit. All his points are stacked at the beginning of the year, therefore he's going to drop even more in the ranking, therefore he's going to reach the top 10? There are a ton of player that have almost no point to defend, you'll find them around the 200-1200 spots in the ranking; that doesn't mean they are going to reach the top 10...

RoddickFan.
12-28-2010, 09:14 AM
Monfils is currently ranked 12. He has nothing to defend early season. He will be in the top 10 very soon. Not sure why he isn't in your poll.

-AO; R32
- Indian Wells; R64
-Miami; nothing
-Rome; nothing
-Madrid; quarters
-Roland Garros; R64

Tsonga is the opposite. His points came early in the season and he has nothing to defend starting in the summer (Canada) due to his extended injury. He is currently ranked 13. Barring injury (which never happens for him), he will for sure be in the top 8.

Fish is ranked 16. He has 10 points to defend at the Australian and 25 points at Indian Wells. He did make the R16 in Miami. He really has nothing to defend in the majors until US Open. He could easily make top 10.

Almagro and Cilic have lots of early season points to defend, so they will probably drop out of the top 20 for a while. Hope not. Ferrer has nothing to defend at AO, but lots of clay points. Don't see him defending those. He will drop like a stone. Roddick has big point to defend at Brisbane, AO, Indian Wells, and Miami. He will also drop for a while, but should do well at Wimby and the US hardcourts and end in the top 10 again. I'm curious to see if Berdych can stay in the top 10. Hope so. I think Soderling will hold.

Not thinking we'll see any big surprises this year in terms of someone vaulting into the top 10. Looks like the current group will pretty much hold their positions (taking into account what I said above).

I think Berdych and Ferrer would drop out of the top 10. They could be replaced by Monfils(if he stops being a clown), Gulbis(if he fulfils his potential), Troicki, Cilic(if he finds back his form) or JMDP(if healthy again).

And anybody who looks down on JMDP, thinking he will not be back to his best obviously knows nothing about tennis.

Monteque
12-28-2010, 09:55 AM
davy duck will

Puschkin
12-28-2010, 10:38 AM
Richard: obvious choice for a Gasquetaire.
Troicki: The DC boost should do it.
Ernests: It is time to prove something.

oranges
12-28-2010, 10:49 AM
Can someone explain this reasoning to me? He has no point because he's been playing like shit. All his points are stacked at the beginning of the year, therefore he's going to drop even more in the ranking, therefore he's going to reach the top 10? There are a ton of player that have almost no point to defend, you'll find them around the 200-1200 spots in the ranking; that doesn't mean they are going to reach the top 10...

To be fair, he missed a hefty chunk of the season. I think it's assumed he'll find back a decent form soon enough to make it back to top 10. I have a feeling he will, though it's certainly not a given.

misty1
12-28-2010, 12:07 PM
Can someone explain this reasoning to me? He has no point because he's been playing like shit. All his points are stacked at the beginning of the year, therefore he's going to drop even more in the ranking, therefore he's going to reach the top 10? There are a ton of player that have almost no point to defend, you'll find them around the 200-1200 spots in the ranking; that doesn't mean they are going to reach the top 10...

I expect him to return to the top 10 because i expect him to find his game again so even if he drops points early there are a ton of places he can pick them up again later on.

i would have thought what i was saying was obvious

the portion of the season where he can gain points is alot bigger then where he'll be losing points.

simplet
12-28-2010, 04:06 PM
I expect him to return to the top 10 because i expect him to find his game again so even if he drops points early there are a ton of places he can pick them up again later on.

i would have thought what i was saying was obvious

the portion of the season where he can gain points is alot bigger then where he'll be losing points.

There is nothing obvious about what you're saying. Of course the period where he can get some points is bigger, since he has almost no points. That doesn't make it easier for him to get a lot of points, it makes it harder.

When people are saying "he has nothing to defend, his ranking is bound to go up", what they mean by that is that the player already has a good mattress of points in the bag, and aside from that, they are also entering a period where they can only gain more points on top of the bunch they already have : see Monfils. Davy's situation is that of a guy who not only doesn't have a lot of points, but he's also expected to lose a bunch of those pretty soon. So with a worse ranking position and worse draws, he's going to have to pick up a ton of points everywhere to get back in the top 10. Not saying that Davydenko isn't going to do it, all I'm saying is that your argument that not having points makes it easy to get a lot of them is illogical.

Filo V.
12-28-2010, 04:14 PM
Nalburgerbandian, if he can stay healthy, should be able to manage a top 7-8 finish.

Gulbis I think will finish around the top 10, maybe the lower half, but I expect more of a #12 finish.

Troicki could challenge also, but I expect a top 15 finish from him.

The rest of the guys, I don't think so. Gasquet I think will have a 16-18 or so finish, and Davydenko is the real wildcard, what does he have left? We'll see.

fast_clay
12-28-2010, 04:20 PM
McBandian, Fat dave and davydenko... i have listed dave twice because there is a lot of him, so deserves two mentions... plus will more than likely blow in and out and then back into the top ten when indoor monster gets mighty hungry as per usual at the end of the year...

pretty sad when its only old warhorses that you can reliably quote here though...

outside of that, i'd like to see gulbis kick the hooker habit and make a run... it will be better for his health in the long term as well if he gives up the loose ladies... i like gulbis' style, he developed a scary game - all in the head tho sadly, and blindly believing you belong is tougher to develop...

Blackbriar
12-28-2010, 04:23 PM
Davy is done, i fear. there's always a point when good but older players suffer a big injury, have to retire, then come-back but are never the same again. Moya, Haas, Blake, they all tried, but they never succeed. I think Stepanek is done too. Delpo is a different case: he is young, youngsters have more power, more stamina, bigger motivation. A guy like Davy will not put enough effort to come-back, he knows he can't win anything big anymore and all he can hope is reach top 10 again for a few weeks. I think he doesn't care about that anymore. You don't care about ranking when you're close to retirement. Montanes is too old, and Llodra and Ferrero too. After 30, most players loses the will to fight.

fast_clay
12-28-2010, 04:29 PM
Davy is done, i fear. there's always a point when good but older players suffer a big injury, have to retire, then come-back but are never the same again. Moya, Haas, Blake, they all tried, but they never succeed. I think Stepanek is done too. Delpo is a different case: he is young, youngsters have more power, more stamina, bigger motivation. A guy like Davy will not put enough effort to come-back, he knows he can't win anything big anymore and all he can hope is reach top 10 again for a few weeks. Montanes is too old, and Llodra and Ferrero too. After 30, most players loses the will to fight.

on the flipside though, could possibly be said that because davy has not known anything else that he'll be happy with living in the top ten... but, you probably right... even davy himself said if he gets another injury he is done with it, so we all know where he is mentally...

steps is a top 50 player now and will be happy with that...

still, overall its an ageing field you offer in your poll... and thats worrying...

Blackbriar
12-28-2010, 04:47 PM
top 100 is getting older too. Berankis is the only player in top 100 younger than 22 :eek:
interesting article there about youngsters wasteland:
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/tennis/tramlines/article/5/

Cloudygirl
12-28-2010, 05:54 PM
Melzer surely has a good chance of getting in the top 10 at some point early next year as does Monfils. Tsonga missed a fair chunk of the season so again likely.

I can see potentially top 15 for Gulbis, Wawrinka and Gasquet.