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Who has the worst forehand in the top 20?

Synesthetic
12-27-2010, 01:59 PM
I picked some 'candidates' in the poll, but you could always nominate someone else. Here is the top 20:

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/6674/top20.jpg (http://img651.imageshack.us/i/top20.jpg/)

I think it's between Fish and Ljubicic. Cilic's forehand can be wildly inconsistent, too...

Certinfy
12-27-2010, 02:15 PM
Almagro?

oranges
12-27-2010, 02:19 PM
Some very strange choices there. Cilic has no place there even when his FH is the wildest it can possibly be. His FH is a major weapon. Isner's FH is as good as his movement will allow it, i.e. when he gets into a position it's a solid enough shot. Youzhny? It's not as good as his BH, but what the heck is he doing on this list. Roddick and Monfils like to push a lot, but their FHs are not exploitable in a major way.

The answer is probably Fish, followed by Ljubo/Muzza

Synesthetic
12-27-2010, 02:46 PM
Some very strange choices there. Cilic has no place there even when his FH is the wildest it can possibly be. His FH is a major weapon. Isner's FH is as good as his movement will allow it, i.e. when he gets into a position it's a solid enough shot. Youzhny? It's not as good as his BH, but what the heck is he doing on this list. Roddick and Monfils like to push a lot, but their FHs are not exploitable in a major way.

Well, the fact that those players are in the poll doesn't necessarily mean that I think that their forehands are bad, but I tried to choose the players who are perhaps in a second tier within the top 20 with respect to their FHs. What I mean is, I think the 12 other players who are not in the list clearly have better FHs than those listed. It's all subjective, of course.

I agree with most of what you said - though I think it's exactly those factors which limits the utility of those players' forehands. Cilic has problems with consistency, Isner is restricted by his movement, Roddick doesn't really seem to have a weapon in his forehand any more, etc. Youzhny's forehand is decent - his is probably the best of those in the poll.

Nadull_tard
12-27-2010, 03:04 PM
I would say that Baghdatis has the less harmful forehand here. Also Ljubicić or Cilić definitely don't reach their potential in this shot, especially Cilić has a muggish forehand stroke, pondering over his physical conditions.
Murray has the worst forehand from the Top 10 with no doubt, but he can still improve.

straitup
12-27-2010, 03:52 PM
I think it's Cilic...he struggles with those forehands off a ball that is pretty much in the middle of the court. Not a bad shot otherwise, but it can break down

JustJames
12-27-2010, 03:57 PM
It's Mardy Fish every day of the week, surely!? :lol:

KaiserT
12-27-2010, 05:13 PM
Some very strange choices there. Cilic has no place there even when his FH is the wildest it can possibly be. His FH is a major weapon. Isner's FH is as good as his movement will allow it, i.e. when he gets into a position it's a solid enough shot. Youzhny? It's not as good as his BH, but what the heck is he doing on this list. Roddick and Monfils like to push a lot, but their FHs are not exploitable in a major way.

The answer is probably Fish, followed by Ljubo/Muzza

Disagree, Cilic's forehand breaks down regularly, sure it can be a weapon but it's unreliable and I've never seen another top 20 player net his forehand as much as Cilic.... his winner vs ue ratio on it this year would have made ridiculous reading.

Of course Murray can hit his forehand hard too.... but he goes for the safer option.

Cilic's fh is the worst in the top 20 atm.

Generally it's probably Fish.

Scola
12-27-2010, 05:20 PM
It must be definetely Verdsaco. That's one fugly forehand.:tape:

harman99
12-27-2010, 05:38 PM
Andrew Stephen Roddick

Sombrerero loco
12-27-2010, 05:46 PM
cilic in a bad day...

oranges
12-27-2010, 06:05 PM
Disagree, Cilic's forehand breaks down regularly, sure it can be a weapon but it's unreliable and I've never seen another top 20 player net his forehand as much as Cilic.... his winner vs ue ratio on it this year would have made ridiculous reading.

Of course Murray can hit his forehand hard too.... but he goes for the safer option.

Cilic's fh is the worst in the top 20 atm.

Generally it's probably Fish.

His W/UE ration on everything this season has been atrocious as he mugged more than 3/4 of a season, so that really doesn't tell anything. I'm pretty sure his return stats are terrible too, when normally he'd be up in top 10 on most. When he spanked Murray, Nadal or pretty much anyone of note, it was more down to his FH than the BH. Immense power and crazy angles he can create make it ridiculous to have him in the poll. In no way is it at all comparable to Fish, Ljubo's or Muzza's FH, for instance, which are all a liability regardless whether they hit any UEs with it or not. It's like comparing Roddick's and Cipolla serve just because duck had a string of low first percentage matches :shrug:

AnDrEi.b
12-27-2010, 06:19 PM
Fish, of course

Sapeod
12-27-2010, 06:32 PM
Fish, Roddick, Cilic and Ljubicic are the worst here.

Murray shouldn't be on the list. His forehand is rather tame in comparison to some others, but it's very reliable, can have some MAJOR power on it and is usually very accurate.

Also, why is everyone saying Isner?
His forehand is very powerful and is a very solid shot. Definitely in the top 10 out of these players.

finishingmove
12-27-2010, 06:42 PM
Andy Murray imo

Sapeod
12-27-2010, 07:01 PM
Andy Murray imo
No.

He hasn't got an amazing forehand, but it's nowhere near being the worst in the top 20.

Baghdatis, Cilic, Youzhny, Almagro, Ljubicic and Fish all have worse forehands than Murray.
Not to mention, Murray's forehand is better than Djokovic's overall.

Ibracadabra
12-27-2010, 07:01 PM
Has to be murray, only elite player with a weakness as bad as his forehand. Generally it's probably fish.

Topspindoctor
12-27-2010, 07:04 PM
No.


Not to mention, Murray's forehand is better than Djokovic's overall.

:spit: :haha:

Sapeod
12-27-2010, 07:05 PM
Has to be murray, only elite player with a weakness as bad as his forehand. Generally it's probably fish.
No, it's not Murray.
It may not have sting on it (it can get some major power when he gets into a good position though), but it has incredibly accuracy and reliability. More so than all of the players in the top 20 except for Federer.

His forehand is better than a lot of these players overall.

Ibracadabra
12-27-2010, 07:08 PM
The fact murray is an elite player and he's on this list says it all.

Sapeod
12-27-2010, 07:16 PM
The fact murray is an elite player and he's on this list says it all.
It's a joke.

His forehand is not as good as the rest of his game, but it isn't anywhere near being the worst in the top 20.
He shouldn't be included on the poll.

Roger the Dodger
12-27-2010, 07:16 PM
Murray has a solid forehand. There's hardly anyone with a poor forehand there. Maybe Isner?

Sapeod
12-27-2010, 07:23 PM
Murray has a solid forehand. There's hardly anyone with a poor forehand there. Maybe Isner?
Thank you, some sense in this thread at last. Murray's forehand IS solid.

Isner's forehand is solid and powerful, definitely not his.

brent-o
12-27-2010, 07:23 PM
I would say Tsonga, though I'm not sure if he's the absolute worst. His is just not versatile at all. It's all flat all the time. When he loses his timing, it's really not pretty. Starts slapping at it.

Out of the choices in the poll, I'd go with Ljubicic's. His has always looked really unnatural for him. Murray's is super consistent and he has great control.

nobama
12-27-2010, 07:26 PM
Roddick. Hands down.

oranges
12-27-2010, 07:50 PM
I would say Tsonga

:haha: :haha: :haha:

Sham Kay
12-27-2010, 08:56 PM
Murray has a dependable forehand usually. Goes tame at times, but it's impossible to win as much as he does with "the worst forehand in the top 20". Ljubo's is probably the biggest liability in terms of his whole package.. fish similarly so.

I accidently voted ARod, but I'd go with Ljubo.

Action Jackson
12-27-2010, 09:04 PM
Fish and it's not close, yet he has improved it and fitness quite a lot.

philosophicalarf
12-27-2010, 09:06 PM
There's hardly anyone with a poor forehand there. Maybe Isner?

It's pretty good, within the movement limitations his height imposes.

Action Jackson
12-27-2010, 09:09 PM
It's pretty good, within the movement limitations his height imposes.

This besides the serve got him into the top 20.

BK 201
12-27-2010, 10:20 PM
No.


Not to mention, Murray's forehand is better than Djokovic's overall.

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/8/4/128939089504190466.jpg




You're the biggest clown I've met on the internet, I haven't read a post of yours which doesn't make you look like a sheep. Murray by a landslide has the worst FH (asthetically and effectively) in the top 20.

FormerRafaFan
12-27-2010, 10:42 PM
It must be definetely Verdsaco. That's one fugly forehand.:tape:

Huh?!?! Verdasco's forehand is not that bad.. surely it's not one of the best, but certainly not one of the worst. He actually has a strong forehand when he's playing well.

Sapeod
12-27-2010, 10:58 PM
http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/8/4/128939089504190466.jpg




You're the biggest clown I've met on the internet, I haven't read a post of yours which doesn't make you look like a sheep. Murray by a landslide has the worst FH (asthetically and effectively) in the top 20.
I don't take anyone seriously when they post stupid images like the one you've just posted, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
You do know LOLcats aren't funny, and never have been, right?

Why am I clown? I think Murray has an effective, solid forehand. I think it's better than Djokovic's, what's wrong with that? Does that make me a clown? Because my opinions differ from yours and many others? No, calling me a clown because my opinions differ from yours is disrespectful. And how does that also make me a sheep????? :retard:
You're the one who needs to get a life.

Also, Murray's is nowhere near being the worst in the top 20.
There are guys in the top 20 with worse forehands, like Cilic, Ljubicic, Fish, Youzhny and Baghdatis.

Sonja1989
12-27-2010, 11:03 PM
I think all players in top 20 have good forehand.

Also, why is everyone saying Isner?
His forehand is very powerful and is a very solid shot. Definitely in the top 10 out of these players.

Yes, Isner has great forehand, I don't understand, why is he in the poll.

I would say Tsonga

It's a joke?

BK 201
12-27-2010, 11:08 PM
I don't take anyone seriously when they post stupid images like the one you've just posted, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
You do know LOLcats aren't funny, and never have been, right?

Why am I clown? I think Murray has an effective, solid forehand. I think it's better than Djokovic's, what's wrong with that? Does that make me a clown? Because my opinions differ from yours and many others? No, calling me a clown because my opinions differ from yours is disrespectful. And how does that also make me a sheep????? :retard:
You're the one who needs to get a life.

Also, Murray's is nowhere near being the worst in the top 20.
There are guys in the top 20 with worse forehands, like Cilic, Ljubicic, Fish, Youzhny and Baghdatis.

You watch the X factor which is tarred with crap. And you tell me to get a life. Nice. Real nice.

So please tell us from a technical standpoint, how Murray's forehand is better than Djokovic's?

Bubble99
12-27-2010, 11:09 PM
Hmm its tied between Murray, Monfils and Fish....but I think I'll have to give it to Murray, his is the least effective, even when he's playing aggresive which is once in a blue moon. I'm suprised Roddick is so high on the list,just because he pushes to extreme limits in some of his matches doesn't mean his forehand is entirely bad, we all know how good it can be.

oranges
12-27-2010, 11:45 PM
It must be definetely Verdsaco. That's one fugly forehand.:tape:

I'd say this thread wasn't about aesthetics ;) As far as other things go, that is one huge forehand.

Sapeod
12-27-2010, 11:50 PM
You watch the X factor which is tarred with crap. And you tell me to get a life. Nice. Real nice.

So please tell us from a technical standpoint, how Murray's forehand is better than Djokovic's?
I watch X factor, so? I need to get a life? Are you telling the other 15 million people who watch it on average to get a life?? :retard:

There's a thread I made about Murray and Djokovic's forehands, and which one is better. Find it.

Topspindoctor
12-27-2010, 11:56 PM
Ah there's the thread

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=172881

I love the poll results. Yes, Mugray has better FH for sure, according to public opinion :yeah: :smoke: :cool:


:retard:

RedHotRafa
12-27-2010, 11:59 PM
I watch X factor, so? I need to get a life? Are you telling the other 15 million people who watch it on average to get a life?? :retard:

There's a thread I made about Murray and Djokovic's forehands, and which one is better. Find it.

Murray doesn't have a bad forehand. Leave your opinion in one post and forget it. If other people argue against you you don't need to comment proving them wrong. You've commented like 10 times on this thread all about defending your idol and yourself. Just say what you think and let others do the same. Everyone isn't going to agree with you about Murray. Not everyone worships him like you do. The thing that makes people want to reply is that you get so defensive about Andy.

P.S. Seriously another name change. What is that like 5 this year?

BK 201
12-28-2010, 12:02 AM
I watch X factor, so? I need to get a life? Are you telling the other 15 million people who watch it on average to get a life?? :retard:

There's a thread I made about Murray and Djokovic's forehands, and which one is better. Find it.

Please can you explain to me how Murray's FH is better than Djokovic's from a technical standpoint? I'm waiting.

Synesthetic
12-28-2010, 12:41 AM
I think all players in top 20 have good forehand.

I agree with this. I pretty much need to clarify this again - I didn't include players in the poll that have 'bad' forehands - if you're in the top 20, chances are that you have a pretty good forehand, and pretty much all of them are good. Even Ljubicic, who in my opinion has the second weakest forehand in the top 20, can hit some very good shots with his forehand from time to time.

What I was asking though was who has the worst forehand IN THE TOP 20, NOT who in the top 20 has a bad forehand. So obviously it's all relative. This is just my opinion (I've seen Baghdatis and Almagro being mentioned), but I think the 12 players not in the poll all have more effective forehands than those in the poll by a reasonable margin. Youzhny, who I would say is the best of the 8 I picked to be in the poll, has a pretty good forehand (though it can break down under pressure) and if I should have left anyone out from the list it would be him.

I guess I take everyone's point - if you see the question "who has the worst forehand...", you expect to see players with BAD forehands as the poll choices :lol: But I was trying to broaden the poll choices by choosing players whose forehands have issues that limit their effectiveness as weapons/rally shots (which, I repeat, doesn't necessarily mean that their forehand isn't good), since I wasn't exactly expecting a consensus on this topic!

Sonja1989
12-28-2010, 12:44 AM
I agree with this. I pretty much need to clarify this again - I didn't include players in the poll that have 'bad' forehands - if you're in the top 20, chances are that you have a pretty good forehand, and pretty much all of them are good. Even Ljubicic, who in my opinion has the second weakest forehand in the top 20, can hit some very good shots with his forehand from time to time.

What I was asking though was who has the worst forehand IN THE TOP 20, NOT who in the top 20 has a bad forehand. So obviously it's all relative. This is just my opinion (I've seen Baghdatis and Almagro being mentioned), but I think the 12 players not in the poll all have more effective forehands than those in the poll by a reasonable margin. Youzhny, who I would say is the best of the 8 I picked to be in the poll, has a pretty good forehand (though it can break down under pressure) and if I should have left anyone out from the list it would be him.

I guess I take everyone's point - if you see the question "who has the worst forehand...", you expect to see players with BAD forehands as the poll choices :lol: I was trying to broaden the poll choices by choosing players whose forehands have issues that limit their effectiveness as weapons/rally shots, since I wasn't exactly expecting a consensus on this topic!

Ok, the worst is maybe Almagro's or Fish's forehand. :)

Arakasi
12-28-2010, 12:45 AM
I'm always amazed by how bad Murray's forehand is compared to the rest of his game. It really is a poor shot.

If he was rubbish overall I probably wouldn't notice as much.

Sapeod
12-28-2010, 01:14 AM
Please can you explain to me how Murray's FH is better than Djokovic's from a technical standpoint? I'm waiting.
You're too lazy to search for that thread I told you about? :retard:

Fine, here it is - http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=172881

aussie_fan
12-28-2010, 01:40 AM
Even when watching Fish on that run in Cincy, it was amazing to see how weak and unreliable his forehand is. Especially when the rest of his game is so solid how can the forehand out of all shots be so poor

KaiserT
12-28-2010, 01:53 AM
His W/UE ration on everything this season has been atrocious as he mugged more than 3/4 of a season, so that really doesn't tell anything. I'm pretty sure his return stats are terrible too, when normally he'd be up in top 10 on most. When he spanked Murray, Nadal or pretty much anyone of note, it was more down to his FH than the BH. Immense power and crazy angles he can create make it ridiculous to have him in the poll. In no way is it at all comparable to Fish, Ljubo's or Muzza's FH, for instance, which are all a liability regardless whether they hit any UEs with it or not. It's like comparing Roddick's and Cipolla serve just because duck had a string of low first percentage matches :shrug:

:lol:

Just because on a great day Cilic's forehand is very potent doesn't mean it's not a bad shot. It's flawed technically, he makes tonnes of UEs, hits the net more than any other top 20 player, and on a bad day it looks like the shot of a rank amateur.

Murray can hit the forehand hard and flat but on anything but a good day it leaks UEs.... so he made the decision to drop the risk factor and take some sting off the shot.

oranges
12-28-2010, 02:52 AM
Oh come on, lets not pretend he had just a few odd matches when he destroyed his opponent with that FH. Not only do you exaggerate if we're not talking about the time he barely won any matches, but the points you raise are relevant when comparing it to similarly powerful FHs. I take it you'd rather take Muzza's. Fine with me.

Arkulari
12-28-2010, 02:54 AM
Top 20 = Fish
Top 5 = Murray (BH is his money shot, his FH is not a mug shot by any means but it's the weakest one of that group)

Monteque
12-28-2010, 04:26 AM
querrey is

leng jai
12-28-2010, 04:34 AM
Fish by a mile.

This is like asking who changes their name the most on MTF.

Filo V.
12-28-2010, 04:59 AM
It's Mardy, because his FH breaks down more than the others, it's not as much of a weapon as others who are less consistent with their FHs, and he doesn't defend that well off the forehand. He really loses the range on it and sails FH's badly out when he's not confident. He also struggles with weight transfer and general footwork on his forehand. With that said, his FH has improved quite a lot from where it was even 3 years ago, which is why he's been playing better.

Filo V.
12-28-2010, 05:01 AM
Almagro?

No.

Filo V.
12-28-2010, 05:03 AM
No.

He hasn't got an amazing forehand, but it's nowhere near being the worst in the top 20.

Baghdatis, Cilic, Youzhny, Almagro, Ljubicic and Fish all have worse forehands than Murray.
Not to mention, Murray's forehand is better than Djokovic's overall.
Disagree with this.

Filo V.
12-28-2010, 05:11 AM
Ljubo's generally consistent with his FH and he can hit winners with it. He volleys with with it. He can hit effective drop shots with it. It's a shot with decent variety although it's also an uncomfortable shot to watch.

Cilic's FH is not that great, but he can hit winners with it when he's going good, and he can hit good angles with it. With that said, he also makes a lot of mistakes with it by rushing his swing, and he can be rushed into errors easily mostly due to poor footwork. He slaps at the FH too much.

Roddick's FH is consistent, usually placed well, and generally gets it deep enough where he can't be attacked off of it repeatedly.

Murray's FH is underrated a bit. It's not an amazing shot, but it's pretty decent. Like Roddick, he places it well but he has more on it than Roddick does and hits it deeper. His problem is that he almost always hits the FH cross court and he, like Cilic, slaps at the FH too often when trying to hit through it. His FH is like a sling shot, you need perfect timing to get it correct. But he has the feel with it to be able to stay within his safe game.

viruzzz
12-28-2010, 05:36 AM
Why is Isner on that list?
Isner FH at his best is so cool

DrJules
12-28-2010, 11:22 AM
If Murray rectifies weaknesses on forehand and second serve he would become a regular GS winner. Of the players just behind Federer/Nadal it is easiest to see how he could break their stranglehold with major improvement in each area and even with these weaknesses is the only player to beat both 2 times this year.

Murray still probably better than most in this list.

RoddickFan.
12-28-2010, 11:47 AM
How could anyone say Roddick? Its definitely Andy Mugray & Mugdy Fish

Federerhingis
12-28-2010, 07:10 PM
Some very strange choices there. Cilic has no place there even when his FH is the wildest it can possibly be. His FH is a major weapon. Isner's FH is as good as his movement will allow it, i.e. when he gets into a position it's a solid enough shot. Youzhny? It's not as good as his BH, but what the heck is he doing on this list. Roddick and Monfils like to push a lot, but their FHs are not exploitable in a major way.

The answer is probably Fish, followed by Ljubo/Muzza

I suppose but Fish can slap the forehand once in a while and if his game is clicking he can hold his own with his "subpar" forehand. Murray for such a great player and a top 4 stands out the most, his forehand is just so ordinary compared to the rest of his game and the other top 4 members.

samanosuke
12-28-2010, 07:11 PM
Ljubicic

Federerhingis
12-28-2010, 07:31 PM
Even when watching Fish on that run in Cincy, it was amazing to see how weak and unreliable his forehand is. Especially when the rest of his game is so solid how can the forehand out of all shots be so poor

Go ask Hingis who actually had sound technique why hers was so weak for even a top notch WTA pro. I know it's WTA but you would be surprised how many pro's have unreliable if not weak forehands. It is not as prevalent on the Men's game but it still is present. Some players just brush the ball a bit too much instead of hitting through the forehand, and I've found this to be one of the main issues with folks who have weak forehands.

Synesthetic
12-29-2010, 12:46 AM
I found this article on Fish talking about his own forehand - based on these comments he should definitely be winning the poll.

http://www.tennis-x.com/ptfstory/2008-05-29/660.php

Forehand, K-Swiss Get Behind Surging Mardy Fish

Posted on May 29, 2008

By Richard Vach

Ever had a day where you couldn't hit two consistent forehands in a row to save your life? Or simply keep it in the court? It's not just a problem for recreational players. Ask Mardy Fish.

"At the end of 2006 I just lost complete confidence in the forehand," Fish said. "It was essentially my weakest shot, and that was no secret. The forehand is one of those shots that -- it's a confidence shot for me, to be honest. If I'm hitting it okay, I really feel like it's an okay shot. And if I'm not hitting it okay, I feel like it's the worst shot in tennis history. That's not the right attitude, and that was my attitude."

Fish had just started working with coach Todd Martin around that time, and Martin was taken aback when in the middle of practice Fish blurted out in frustration, "So what are we going to do about this forehand?"

"Me and Todd sat down, and I said, 'I'd really like to figure this thing out and change up my forehand. I feel like I'm a talented enough player where I can have some kind of forehand, let's see what we can do here,'" Fish said. "We threw in a different swing with it, and that helped a little bit. Now I've gotten away from that swing, and I've gone kind of back to working with repetitions, to be honest with you. Just every single day after practice, I'd hit 30 forehands, sitter forehands, every day at practice."

Martin ended his coaching stint with Fish in 2007, and another Florida resident, former tour player Kelly Jones, took over 'Project Forehand' and the coaching duties.

"I couldn't find the right spin -- I would have almost sidespin to the shot, and I was having a problem getting under the ball and rolling the ball," Fish said. "One shot I would come through it almost sideways, and another shot I would hit it okay and then I would hit it with too much topspin. I had to find the right kind of spin and the right kind of swing and stay aggressive with it."

Jones, who has since split with Fish to spend more time with his family, said the mental approach to the forehand was just as important as the physical.

"We spent many practices using a rope to increase the height of the net and create a vision of how to get the ball up and down," Jones said. "He learned how to drive high balls with spin like all the best forehands do in today's game."

Through the repetition of hitting balls and some technical tweaks, the Fish forehand, and the confidence that goes with it, is now back. That was in evidence this past March at the Pacific Life Open in Indian Wells, where Fish unleashed a torrent of forehand winners to overwhelm world No. 1 Roger Federer 6-3, 6-2.

"Right now the shot feels like it's a weapon, and whether it is or not, to me it's a confidence thing," Fish says. "If I feel like it's a weapon, that's all that matters. Against Federer and against some of the other guys I beat in Indian Wells, it was a weapon. It used to be a shot where guys would just loop it up to my forehand and I would miss, and that's just not the case anymore. It's a huge confidence shot, and I'm extremely confident with it right now."

[...]

straitup
12-29-2010, 12:49 AM
Too bad Stepanek isn't still top 20...he would be a big contender

Sapeod
12-29-2010, 01:34 AM
How could anyone say Roddick? Its definitely Andy Mugray & Mugdy Fish
Roddick's is horrendous, that's how.

Fish's is bad, but Murray's isn't.

Topspindoctor
12-29-2010, 01:36 AM
Roddick's is horrendous, that's how.

Fish's is bad, but Murray's isn't.

Mugray's FH is garbage, wake up fanboy.

Sapeod
12-29-2010, 01:39 AM
Mugray's FH is garbage, wake up fanboy.
No, it isn't and calling it garbage shows how ignorant you are about it.

It's a super accurate shot, very reliable and solid. It can get great depth and some good raw power on it, too.
Therefore, Murray's forehand is not garbage, but a great shot.

GlennMirnyi
12-29-2010, 01:42 AM
A toss-up between Fish, Ljubicic and Cilic, in terms of results.

In terms of technique - Nadull by far.

GlennMirnyi
12-29-2010, 01:43 AM
Ah Murray's in there too.

Topspindoctor
12-29-2010, 01:45 AM
A toss-up between Fish, Ljubicic and Cilic, in terms of results.

In terms of technique - Nadull by far.

Lol? You are an idiot.

GlennMirnyi
12-29-2010, 01:48 AM
Lol? You are an idiot.

Yeah I'm sure finishing your swing behind your head is the proper way to hit a forehand.

I wonder why the tennis greats never adopted such a flawless technique. :lol:

Sapeod
12-29-2010, 01:49 AM
Ah Murray's in there too.
No, he isn't.

His forehand isn't one of the worst, it's a good reliable part of his game. The weakest part of his game for sure, but that doesn't make it shit AT ALL. This is Murray we're talking about. Nothing about him is in any way bad.

Sapeod
12-29-2010, 01:50 AM
Lol? You are an idiot.
Nadull's forehand technique isn't the proper way of hitting a forehand.

Like GlennMirnyi said above, swinging it around your head is not a good technique, not the proper one and is also ugly to watch.

Topspindoctor
12-29-2010, 01:56 AM
Nadull's forehand technique isn't the proper way of hitting a forehand.

Like GlennMirnyi said above, swinging it around your head is not a good technique, not the proper one and is also ugly to watch.

Actually the overhead follow-through is a useful rally shot, that's the reason Nadal's forehand rarely breaks down. It adds a lot of spin and safety margin to the shot and he is able to execute the CC forehand to DTL winner with this technique countless times. Nadal still does the traditional across the body FH follow-through when he is in good position or when he receives a short ball. Technically, Nadal's FH technique is absolutely perfect, he doesn't bend his arm at the point of impact and even when he flattens it out, it still carries a lot of spin to find the lines. Basically only peak Federer can argue that he has a better FH than Nadal with perfect balance of pace and spin.

Sapeod
12-29-2010, 01:59 AM
Nadull's forehand is absolutely perfect?
You having a laugh?

It's a good forehand that never breaks down, but it's hideous and has a disgusting technique, which is in no way aesthetically pleasing. Every modern day tennis fan should know that.

Clay Death
12-29-2010, 02:11 AM
Lol? You are an idiot.

spare the arse clowneer topspin doc. i am going to have re-educate him all ever again.

its his first day back. lets cut him some slack. we can destroy him tomorrow if we feel like it.


next this arse clowneer will be telling us that borg`s forehand was useless.

they guy snatched 11 slams by 25 and called it a career. i never saw him play but i dont think his forehand ever crumbled under pressure.

in fact, i dont think he ever missed a forehand. it was just that good.

same with the clay warrior. by far the best forehand in the business for 2 reasons:

1. relentless topspin with pace. again, its spin with pace. can arse clowneers say 3500 rpms? i didnt think so.

2. bullet proof in the clutch.


it is the most dynamic forehand in the last 50,000 years.

others have more explosive forehands but nobody has the forehand that has the consistency and the ability to make it work in the clutch. nobody. and that is the ultimate gold standard for forehands.


a number of pros have said that if they could have just one stroke, it would be nadal`s forehand.

GlennMirnyi
12-29-2010, 02:40 AM
No, he isn't.

His forehand isn't one of the worst, it's a good reliable part of his game. The weakest part of his game for sure, but that doesn't make it shit AT ALL. This is Murray we're talking about. Nothing about him is in any way bad.

His forehand can't dictate a point to save his life. That's a huge liability in modern tennis.

Murray has a bad serve and forehand.

Actually the overhead follow-through is a useful rally shot, that's the reason Nadal's forehand rarely breaks down. It adds a lot of spin and safety margin to the shot and he is able to execute the CC forehand to DTL winner with this technique countless times. Nadal still does the traditional across the body FH follow-through when he is in good position or when he receives a short ball. Technically, Nadal's FH technique is absolutely perfect, he doesn't bend his arm at the point of impact and even when he flattens it out, it still carries a lot of spin to find the lines. Basically only peak Federer can argue that he has a better FH than Nadal with perfect balance of pace and spin.

It may be whatever you wish but it's awful technique. Nobody in their sane mind would teach a kid to hit forehands like that.

Nadull has an awful forehand. If it weren't for the... eh... "exercise" he takes he'd be barely better than Ramirez-Hidalgo.

Filo V.
12-29-2010, 02:43 AM
Who gives a fuck about how pleasing to watch or technically sound a shot is, if it's effective and works 9/10 times against every player on tour.

LawrenceOfTennis
01-24-2012, 07:19 PM
Murray or Fish. Watching Murray hitting a forehand I always have a feeling Andy will break into halves because of the effort. He needs his whole body to hit it, puts his whole weight to generate some power - and still, it has no depth at all and has too much topspin in it. There is no wrist action at all.
Fish's forehand is ugly and weak. The preparation is WTA stuff, it's as much of a moonball as Nadal's but lacks it power and depth. Any good top 100 player can attack Fish's shot.