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Bagels Record Breakdown

Arakasi
12-27-2010, 04:39 AM
I had some time to kill so I took inspiration from Pipsy's bagels thread and decided to breakdown Federer's bagels record. I don't know if this warrants a thread of its own so you can merge it if it doesn't. I'm only going to do Federer but I would welcome people to do any other players they like.

Federer has handed out 71 bagels in his career and lost only 4. Below are his bagels broken down by surface and tournament type.

Surface Won Lost

Clay 12 3
Grass 9 1
Hardcourts 50 0

Type of tournament Won Lost

Grand Slam 38 2
WTF 7 0
DC 4 0
M1000 13 1
MMs 9 1

Amazingly, 54% (38 out of 71) of the bagels he has handed out in his career have been at Grand Slams :eek:.
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Grand Slam Won Lost

AO 17 0
FO 5 2
W 7 0
US 9 0

Below is a list of players who have been bagelled by Federer more than once.

Player # of times bagelled

Hewitt* 5
Santoro 4
Blake 3
Nadal 2
Del Potro 2
Roddick 2
Nalbandian 2
Haas 2
Gaudio 2
Falla 2
Starace 2
Hartfield 2

Federer has dished out 12 bagels in finals, 8 bagels in SFs and 8 in QFs. In grand slam play he has handed out 4 bagels in GS finals, 3 bagels in GS SFs and 5 in GS QFs. Federer has double bagelled his opponent in a match on 5 seperate occasions.

I'd be really interested if someone did something similar for Nadal. I'd also love to see Borg's bagels broken down but I suspect those stats will be a lot harder to find. Let me know if any of you spot errors in the above.

*Fun fact: the 5 bagels Lleyton has received from Federer occured in 4 matches out of the 25 they have played. Ironically, those 4 matches were consecutive matches they played in 2004. After losing to Hewitt from two sets to love in the DC semifinal in '03 and trailing 7-2 in the H2H, Federer got his revenge in the most emphatic fashion by bagelling him on hard, then on clay and finally on grass in their next 3 matches. As if that weren't enough, in their next match they were back on hard and Roger double bagelled him in the infamous US Open '04 final :worship:!

RedHotRafa
12-27-2010, 05:20 AM
Funny thing is Federer got bageled by Vinny Spadea...lol. He was the star player at my high school back in the 90's and I met him on one of the alumni days and we talked tennis

abraxas21
12-27-2010, 06:00 AM
spadea = GOAT

Pipsy
12-27-2010, 08:53 AM
Surely the only player never to be bagelled on a hard court!
Btw, I have a thread on the Statistics forum looking at the players who have 30+ bagels at tour level but not specifically this kind of breakdown.

Good work! :D

Topspindoctor
12-27-2010, 09:03 AM
Surely the only player never to be bagelled on a hard court!


Not a big surprise considering how good his serve is.

Nadull_tard
12-27-2010, 03:52 PM
Not a big surprise considering how good his serve is.

Still was bageled by Byron Black in Queens.

theseth1119
12-27-2010, 04:11 PM
Three came in 1999 when Rogie was only 17/18 years old. Byron Black, Patrick Rafter, and Vince Spadea. The only other one came in the 2008 FO final to Rafa. Point is, Rogie's much harder to bagel than any other opponent because he's very good at being able to hold his serve at least once (1-6, 2-6, 3-6, etc.). The first three were in the very beginning of his career, but the one to Rafa in the 2008 FO F hurts. Still, 71-4 is incredible, the overall ratio, the few times he's been bageled, and the great number he's given out. This is another stat that speaks wonders of Rogie and cements his status at the G.O.A.T. Rogie's bageled Rafa twice, 2006 Wimbledon F and 2007 Hamburg F. Another amazing stat non-bagel related, Rogie has played in 917 singles tennis matches and he's never ever once retired in the middle of a match. On the flip side, Rafa has played in 573 singles matches and has retired 6 times.

Nadull_tard
12-27-2010, 04:23 PM
Three came in 1999 when Rogie was only 17/18 years old. Byron Black, Patrick Rafter, and Vince Spadea. The only other one came in the 2008 FO final to Rafa. Point is, Rogie's much harder to bagel than any other opponent because he's very good at being able to hold his serve at least once (1-6, 2-6, 3-6, etc.). The first three were in the very beginning of his career, but the one to Rafa in the 2008 FO F hurts. Still, 71-4 is incredible, the overall ratio, the few times he's been bageled, and the great number he's given out. This is another stat that speaks wonders of Rogie and cements his status at the G.O.A.T. Rogie's bageled Rafa twice, 2006 Wimbledon F and 2007 Hamburg F. Another amazing stat non-bagel related, Rogie has played in 917 singles tennis matches and he's never ever once retired in the middle of a match. On the flip side, Rafa has played in 573 singles matches and has retired 6 times.

It's more unbelievable If you consider that Roger has no desire to humiliate any of his opponents, maybe only when someone sored or provoked him in a public comment(like Roddick did). It comes really tough to bagel someone, especially on fast hard court or grass, and he has done it 59 times. I think it derives from the Roger's effortless game , he doesn't need to do anything particularly great to win a set with a 6 games margin. He leads 2-1 over Nadal in bagelling, and it's even on clay. Quite admirable.

oranges
12-27-2010, 04:29 PM
It's more unbelievable If you consider that Roger has no desire to humiliate any of his opponents, maybe only when someone sored or provoked him in a public comment(like Roddick did). It comes really tough to bagel someone, especially on fast hard court or grass, and he has done it 59 times. I think it derives from the Roger's effortless game , he doesn't need to do anything particularly great to win a set with a 6 games margin. He leads 2-1 over Nadal in bagelling, and it's even on clay. Quite admirable.

You must be joking. Did del Potro provoke him? That header at the net certainly seemed like he was enjoying the humiliation and was happy to add to it.

theseth1119
12-27-2010, 04:30 PM
It is incredible that Rogie's never ever been bageled on hard courts. When I'm an old man (I'm 27 now) I'll forever remember the days of 2003-???? when Rogie was winning grand slams and being a force to be reckoned with in men's tennis. Yes, he makes it look so effortless.

Nadull_tard
12-27-2010, 04:36 PM
You must be joking. Did del Potro provoke him? That header at the net certainly seemed like he was enjoying the humiliation and was happy to add to it.

Don't no, I didn't watch this match, so I can't tell. I base my knowledge of this match only on hl, and I haven't noticed any symptoms of sick satisfaction in Federer's behavior.

Arakasi
12-27-2010, 04:46 PM
Not a big surprise considering how good his serve is.

These stats cover 1998-2010. Federer's serve was nothing special for a large part of that period. Either way, I'm sure many other all-time great servers have been bagelled on hardcourts so it is still a great achievement.

Arakasi
12-27-2010, 04:59 PM
It's more unbelievable If you consider that Roger has no desire to humiliate any of his opponents, maybe only when someone sored or provoked him in a public comment(like Roddick did). It comes really tough to bagel someone, especially on fast hard court or grass, and he has done it 59 times.

I disagree. In his peak many of Federer's bagels took place in statement matches. Matches in where he was emphasising his dominance over the tour. The Hewitt thing I mentioned is the perfect example of this. Federer would raise his level when he saw Lleyton across the net because he was out to prove a point. I mean handing out 5 bagles in 4 consecutive matches to a guy you trail 7-2 in the H2H to is astounding.

Similar story with Roddick. After all the "gap is closing" rubbish at the end of 2006 Federer came out and annihilated him in their next meeting at the AO SF. He loved doing that sort of thing during his prime. Showing everyone who is boss. The bigger the match the better. Even against Nadal, in the Wimby '06 final after suffering so many losses in a row he came out and bagelled him in the first set. I'd wager he's handed out more bagels in big matches than anyone ever.

As he has aged and declined however he has largely lost the ability to do this. Nowadays most of his bagels come about because he just happens to play really well. He can no longer summon the level he used to at will. Still, after so many years and so many wins he still takes Hewitt and Roddick suprisingly seriously. I guess he has a long memory.

Chiseller
12-27-2010, 05:33 PM
Pretty much what Arakasi said. After all, who doesn't like to obliterate his closed rivals? You can attribute that humbalito crap to Nadal
And obviously, nowadays, the stars have to be aligned perfectly for Federer to deal out bagels.

Nadull_tard
12-27-2010, 06:15 PM
It's all true, perhaps I misjudged his on-court attitude for this misleading lack of commitment. What I mean is when you look at Nadal , running and fighting in every single point like he was saving his own life, it seems pretty weird confronting it with Federer's attitude at prime time, who was acting like a guy who doesn't give a shit about what's going on. I'm just saying that I haven't noticed this will to win, so emphasized in Nadal's game.

dodo
12-27-2010, 06:39 PM
In his peak many of Federer's bagels took place in statement matches. Matches in where he was emphasising his dominance over the tour.
Exactly. He doesnt go out of his way to bagel some qualifier or top70 player in R1 of a slam, when a simple 6-4 will do.