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Bagels vs Bagelled (Active Players)

Pipsy
12-27-2010, 12:48 AM
So I've trawled through the ATP Playing Activity of the current top 150 players plus anybody else I've heard of in the entire ATP rankings to try and compile statistics of how many times active players have bagelled other players compared to how many times they themselves have been bagelled.

Matches are included from Grand Slam, ATP Tour, Davis Cup, WTC and the Olympics. Qualfying rounds are not counted. Correct me if I'm wrong or you think I've missed someone out... :)

The most interesting way to rank players is by the difference between these two values. So here are the 20 best and 20 worst active players ranked in this way:

Top 20 Bagel Records :D

Ranking Player Country Won Lost Difference
1 Roger Federer SUI 70 4 +66
2 Thomas Muster AUT 71 22 +49
3 Lleyton Hewitt AUS 49 8 +41
4 Rafael Nadal ESP 49 9 +40
5 Nikolay Davydenko RUS 45 11 +34
6 Juan Carlos Ferrero ESP 39 12 +27
7 Jarko Nieminen FIN 34 9 +25
=8 David Nalbandian ARG 38 15 +23
=8 David Ferrer ESP 37 15 +23
=10 Juan Ignacio Chela ARG 33 11 +22
=10 Novak Djokovic SRB 27 5 +22
12 Robin Soderling SWE 29 8 +21
13 Mikhail Youzhny RUS 35 18 +17
14 Andy Murray GBR 26 10 +16
=15 Radek Stepanek CZE 28 13 +15
=15 Tommy Haas DEU 27 12 +15
=17 Nicolas Lapentti ECU 34 21 +13
=17 Tommy Robredo ESP 32 19 +13
=19 Arnaud Clement FRA 29 16 +13
=19 Andy Roddick USA 18 5 +13

Worst 20 Bagel Records :mad:

Ranking Player Country Won Lost Difference
1 Christophe Rochus BEL 10 32 -22
2 Alberto Martin ESP 17 33 -16
3 Ruben Ramirez Hidalgo ESP 3 16 -13
=4 Jan Hernych CZE 4 16 -12
=4 Jiri Vanek CZE 5 17 -12
=6 Dudi Sela ISR 3 13 -10
=6 Feliciano Lopez ESP 5 15 -10
=8 Alejandro Falla COL 5 14 -9
=8 Oscar Hernandez ESP 5 14 -9
=10 Michael Berrer DEU 1 9 -8
=10 Fabio Fognini ITA 2 10 -8
=10 Florent Serra FRA 8 16 -8
=13 Igor Kunitsyn RUS 1 8 -7
=13 Eduardo Schwank ARG 1 8 -7
=13 Michael Russell USA 3 10 -7
=13 Viktor Troicki SRB 5 12 -7
=13 Gaston Gaudio ARG 29 36 -7
=18 Olivier Patience FRA 1 7 -6
=18 Harel Levy ISR 4 10 -6
=20 Maximo Gonzalez ARG 0 5 -5
=20 Giovanni Lapentti ECU 1 6 -5
=20 Nicolas Devilder FRA 2 7 -5
=20 Cecil Mamiit PHL 9 14 -5
=20 Albert Montanes ESP 15 20 -5

Please feel free to send any requests :wavey:

hicdick
12-27-2010, 12:52 AM
great, thanks!
nieminen :worship:

JustJames
12-27-2010, 01:03 AM
The two names that instantly stand out are Filippo Volandri (+17) and Victor Troicki (-7), their bagel records fly in the face of their career rankings. The leagues are probably more of an indictment towards those that are most willing to give away a set at 0-4. Although the 'Worst...' league is also full of challenger level players who never quite made the step up to the ATPs and were always liable to a thrashing when they did, especially when it wasn't on their surface of choice.

Great effort Pipsy :yeah:

Pipsy
12-27-2010, 01:13 AM
The two names that instantly stand out are Filippo Volandri (+17) and Victor Troicki (-7)

OOPS! I accidentally left in main draw qualifiers for Volandri. It should actually be +12. Still not bad! Troicki's is indeed as poor as it looks :p

Edit: That actually puts Volandri at joint 21st with Verdasco, just off this list...

Roamed
12-27-2010, 01:21 AM
Amazing work, well done for compiling it all!

Just wondering, what's been included/removed from your calculations here: http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=173248 since some of the given/received numbers are different?

Thanks again, these are great stats!

Certinfy
12-27-2010, 01:25 AM
Berdych, Del Potro, Monfils and Tsonga if you could please. :)

Pipsy
12-27-2010, 01:34 AM
Berdych is 21-12
del Potro is 8-8
Monfils is 9-8
Tsonga is 6-4

:)

tippy4
12-27-2010, 01:34 AM
On a similar note:

Bagels against top 10 players.

Federer 21 times, double bagels for Gaudio, Hewitt and Del Potro.

Tournament Player Rank Score
ATP Masters Series Hamburg, Germany; Gustavo Kuerten (BRA) 7 W 6-0, 1-6, 6-2
Tennis Masters Cup, Shanghai, China; Jiri Novak (CZE) 7 W 6-0, 4-6, 6-2
Tennis Masters Cup, Houston, TX, USA; David Nalbandian (ARG) 8 W 6-3, 6-0
Tennis Masters Cup, Houston, TX, USA; Andre Agassi (USA) 5 W 6-3, 6-0, 6-4
Wimbledon, England; Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) 10 W 6-1, 6-7(1), 6-0, 6-4
US Open, NY, U.S.A.; Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) 5 W 6-0, 7-6(3), 6-0
Bangkok, Thailand; WS; Andy Roddick (USA) 2 W 6-4, 6-0
Tennis Masters Cup, Shanghai, China; Guillermo Coria (ARG) 6 W 6-0, 1-6, 6-2
Tennis Masters Cup, Shanghai, China; Gaston Gaudio (ARG) 9 W 6-0, 6-0
Wimbledon, England; Rafael Nadal (ESP) 2 W 6-0, 7-6(5), 6-7(2),6-3
US Open, NY, U.S.A.; James Blake (USA) 7 W 7-6(7), 6-0, 6-7(9),6-4
ATP Masters Series Madrid, Spain; David Nalbandian (ARG) 4 W 6-4, 6-0
ATP Masters Series Madrid, Spain; Fernando Gonzalez (CHI) 10 W 7-5, 6-1, 6-0
Tennis Masters Cup, China; James Blake (USA) 8 W 6-0, 6-3, 6-4
Australian Open, Australia; Andy Roddick (USA) 7 W 6-4, 6-0, 6-2
ATP Masters Series Hamburg, Germany; Rafael Nadal (ESP) 2 W 2-6, 6-2, 6-0
Australian Open, Australia; Del Potro (ARG) 6 W 6-3, 6-0, 6-0
Australian Open, Nicolay Davydenko (RUS) 6 W 2-6, 6-3, 6-0, 7-5


Nadal 6 times.

Tournament Player Rank Score
ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, Spain; Gaston Gaudio (ARG) 6 W 6-3, 6-0
ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, Spain; Guillermo Coria (ARG) 9 W 6-3, 6-1, 0-6, 7-5
Buenos Aires, Argentina; Gaston Gaudio (ARG) 8 L 6-0, 0-6, 1-6
ESP vs. USA WG SF, Spain; Andy Roddick (USA) 8 W 6-4, 6-0, 6-4
Roland Garros, France; Roger Federer (SUI) 1 W 6-1, 6-3, 6-0
Doha, Qatar; Nikolay Davydenko (RUS) 6 L 6-0, 6-7(8), 4-6

Might have missed others.

Pipsy
12-27-2010, 01:42 AM
Nice work, tippy4! :)

I suppose that just goes to show how, as good a match-player as Nadal is, Federer can just play at another level against top opposition sometimes. Incidentally, he's won more than half of his 70 bagels at Grand Slams!

castle007
12-27-2010, 01:46 AM
Has Federer ever lost a match after handing out a bagel??

abraxas21
12-27-2010, 01:48 AM
i dont understand why ppl care so much about bagels around here. they're meaningless. esp. considering that many times players choose to tank a given set in order to save forces/energy for the rest of the match.

Sapeod
12-27-2010, 01:51 AM
Ouch, Montanes with 20 bagels?
Good job he has amazing mentality and can come back from those bagels to win.

v-money
12-27-2010, 02:10 AM
Ouch, Montanes with 20 bagels?
Good job he has amazing mentality and can come back from those bagels to win.

He has 4 victories after being bageled in a set, out of those 20 total bagels. I thinks that's actually pretty impressive. Wonder how some other players compare.

Kolya
12-27-2010, 02:18 AM
Muster, 71 times... wow...

v-money
12-27-2010, 02:19 AM
Has Federer ever lost a match after handing out a bagel??

No. Nadal managed to do it this year against Davydenko in Doha.

Edit: Nadal also lost to Gaudio after taking the first set 6-0. Actually lost 0-6, 6-0, 6-1, but that was back in 2005.

Pirata.
12-27-2010, 02:30 AM
Feli :o

Roger and Rafa have bageled each other on their "best" slams :yeah:

Sapeod
12-27-2010, 02:30 AM
He has 4 victories after being bageled in a set, out of those 20 total bagels. I thinks that's actually pretty impressive. Wonder how some other players compare.
Montanes is the mentality strongest player on the tour today, so that's not very surprising.
He could be 0-6 0-6 0-5 0-40 down and he'd still come back and grind out the win.

Arakasi
12-27-2010, 02:47 AM
Pipsy why are you figures for Federer different from the ones you posted here: http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=10587836&postcount=4?

I was in agreement with your earlier figures. I'm guessing you must have included/excluded some of them. Federer has handed out 71 bagels in my count. Also which are the other two bagels have you included in his loss count? I only know of the following four:

1999 Monte Carlo - Vincent Spadea (USA): 6-7(3), 0-6
1999 French Open - Patrick Rafter (USA): 7-5, 3-6, 0-6
1999 London - Byron Black (ZIM): 3-6, 0-6
2008 French Open - Rafael Nadal (ESP): 1-6, 3-6, 0-6

At any rate, those are some really great stats. Good job :yeah:.

Pipsy
12-27-2010, 03:00 AM
Pipsy why are you figures for Federer different from the ones you posted here: http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=10587836&postcount=4?

I was in agreement with your earlier figures. I'm guessing you must have included/excluded some of them. Federer has handed out 71 bagels in my count. Also which are the other two bagels have you included in his loss count? I only know of the following four:

1999 Monte Carlo - Vincent Spadea (USA): 6-7(3), 0-6
1999 French Open - Patrick Rafter (USA): 7-5, 3-6, 0-6
1999 London - Byron Black (ZIM): 3-6, 0-6
2008 French Open - Rafael Nadal (ESP): 1-6, 3-6, 0-6

At any rate, those are some really great stats. Good job :yeah:.

OOPS! The Federer loss count was an error, although the difference was correct at +66. The count is different because of different inclusion criteria. Federer has dished out one bagel in his career in a challenger so that isn't included in this thread's stats ;)

ApproachShot
12-27-2010, 12:39 PM
Great work! Being the stats geek that I am, I always enjoy threads like these. That said, the bagels count can be a bit misleading as players can tail off once they have for instance a double-break and therefore the set pretty much in hand. Perhaps a better metric would be % of total games won? Just a suggestion.

I think all of Fed's bagels this year were in the slams. He was close on a few other big occasions (such as Soderling in the Shanghai quarter-finals and Djokovic in the WTF semi-finals) but they ended up as breadsticks. Also I thought that Rafa was amazing this year in Monte Carlo. There were 3 matches in that tournament where he dished out a bagel and a breadstick!

Certinfy
12-27-2010, 12:41 PM
Berdych is 21-12
del Potro is 8-8
Monfils is 9-8
Tsonga is 6-4

:)
Thanks :D Glad none of them have a negative record. :)

Pipsy
01-03-2011, 07:48 PM
Ruben Ramirez just moved to 3rd worst record on his own when he was bagelled by Tsonga today at Doha