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Which one of these top 100 players is the WORST on hard court?

Filo V.
12-23-2010, 03:13 PM
Well, I'm still fucking bored of reading the same shit over and over. So, I'm going to create some fun threads with all of you and get you thinking about a range of different things.

With that said, which one of guys is absolutely diabolical on HC? None of them are particularly good on the surface. Who takes the cake?

Topspindoctor
12-23-2010, 03:22 PM
Belucci is pretty dire on hard courts.

Filo V.
12-23-2010, 03:29 PM
There are several other players who could have been added, including Bellucci, Machado, Gimeno-Traver, Fognini, Giraldo, Schwank, Starace. But you can only list ten, and these guys generally are a bit better than awful on surfaces not clay.

Henry Chinaski
12-23-2010, 03:29 PM
What is Andreev doing on there?

Most of the others play on hc so little it's hard to tell.

Pippo truly is a hc clown and Charlie B got double bagelled by Blake.

RHH at least has one big win over Blake (the match that brought Round Robin to ATP events) so I'd rule him out.

Riba probably takes the prize. lost 0 and 2 to Hajek. 0 and 1 to past it Blake. Doubt he won a match on hc all year.

Filo V.
12-23-2010, 03:30 PM
Andreev, I wasn't going to put him on there, but he's become awful off clay at this point in his career.

Filo V.
12-23-2010, 03:35 PM
Henry, Pere went 0-5 off clay (0-3 HC) in 2010, and has 7 overall career wins on HC.

Blackbriar
12-23-2010, 03:40 PM
they are all terrible, but i think i'll go with pippo.

philosophicalarf
12-23-2010, 03:45 PM
Marcos Daniel has an amusing 1-21 main tour record on hard, and the 1 was Taylor Dent injured.

Some of the others can actually play on hard at times - look at Hajek pushing Fish to 5 in NY this year, and Hanescu has had a few decent performances too. Even RRH at his peak beat Blake and Verdasco.

Henry Chinaski
12-23-2010, 03:49 PM
I agree Andreev has gone bad but he's still a class above the others on the list. Looking at his record he beat Clement and Malisse this year who are decent hc players. They're nothing special but I don't see anyone else on the list beating them.

Yeah Filo, I looked at some of Pere's wins and they're all against dirtballers in Mexico and Segovia. I don't think he has a decent hc win to his credit.

Andujar might be just as bad. Only win this year was against injured Tursunov and last year he only beat Di Mauro (another contender for this list)

Snowwy
12-23-2010, 03:53 PM
Riba has to be up there too along with Daniel.

illepingis
12-23-2010, 03:54 PM
Andreev also took federer too 4 sets in oz open

Certinfy
12-23-2010, 03:56 PM
Andreev also took federer too 4 sets in oz openAnd 5 sets at the USO 2008, which had he actually had a brain, he could of won. :o

Nadull_tard
12-23-2010, 03:57 PM
Berlocq is a total failure on hard courts. I'm sure he was double bageled by some mug in Indian Wells years ago, but I don't remember the name of that player.

Filo V.
12-23-2010, 04:02 PM
Andujar has ZERO true wins off clay outside of futures, and 4 overall in his career.

You're right, Henry and everyone else, that Igor is probably above this list, and in the "not good but not tragically bad" HC player. But he's more or less become one of these guys, he's no different than these players in that he's more or less run away from HC play and rarely has any decent performance on the surface, due to quality and effort. He's really fallen off. This isn't 2007 Andreev anymore.

barbadosan
12-23-2010, 04:04 PM
Definetly wouldn't put Andreev in that mix; he may be going through a slump, but a slump is different to not being able to play on the surface. Probably Pippo is the one who makes my jaw drop at his ineptitude. It's almost comical at times, heh

Filo V.
12-23-2010, 04:04 PM
Berlocq is a total failure on hard courts. I'm sure he was double bageled by some mug in Indian Wells years ago, but I don't remember the name of that player.

Blake. After he double bageled The Don.

Filo V.
12-23-2010, 04:09 PM
Marcos Daniel has an amusing 1-21 main tour record on hard, and the 1 was Taylor Dent injured.

Some of the others can actually play on hard at times - look at Hajek pushing Fish to 5 in NY this year, and Hanescu has had a few decent performances too. Even RRH at his peak beat Blake and Verdasco.Good points, some of these guys have at one point put in a decent performance. Hanescu has a couple. Pippo actually made the SF of Doha once. RRH won the Segovia challenger this year and does have a few good wins on HC. Hajek has won matches during fall indoors the last two years. So these guys can put forth at least a professional effort on the court, at times, when they want to do it.

With that said, they are still all for the most part inept on anything outside of clay.

Filo V.
12-23-2010, 04:10 PM
I've never understood why Daniel hasn't done better off clay or in general in his career. He actually does things on the court that should translate to quicker courts, like his net game, slice, good first serve.

philosophicalarf
12-23-2010, 04:37 PM
I've never understood why Daniel hasn't done better off clay or in general in his career. He actually does things on the court that should translate to quicker courts, like his net game, slice, good first serve.

The different bounce, I guess. Some claycourters can get away with slugging from deep on hard courts, which makes the timing less of an issue, but you need some real weight on your shots to do that with any success (eg Wawrinka, Andreev).

Another factor is the nature of the rankings and calender: so many claybunnies turn up with no expectations, take their masters/slam R1 cheque, and leave. Can just have a week off, get some good training in for the clay challenger next Monday. If you're not naturally adept on hard, the transition is just going to harm your clay game, and that's the bread and butter for them. Not much point risking injury and form drops practicing on hard when there's little likely reward.

What's interesting for me is when players reach around top30, hit a rankings wall, and are forced to gain more hc points to progress. Bellucci, Monaco, Montanes spring to mind. Senor Mountains in particular, his record on hard until recently was horrendous, then he hits career best form, ball on a string, centering every shot ...... and suddenly he's doing some real damage on fast hard (beat Clement, Llodra, Davy at Montpellier).

Sombrerero loco
12-23-2010, 04:42 PM
pere riba for sure...

bhathiya9999
12-23-2010, 04:55 PM
These names are not quite familiar, but i think Federer is the best hard court player

Sapeod
12-23-2010, 05:14 PM
Funny how Filo V makes these threads for us to get thinking, but most of the posts in here are his :lol:

Andreev shouldn't be on the list, Hanescu is decent on hardcourt, Hajek isn't awful.
The others, though, are all hideous on hardcourt, with Riba being the worst. Getting only 1 game off Blake nowadays is just terrible.

Pipsy
12-23-2010, 09:42 PM
To be honest, I didn't pay much attention to the clay court season and I haven't seen any of these guys to well during the rest of the season. They must all be terrible. I don't think I've EVER watched Andujar or Riba. Those guys must be destined to be tour journeymen...

Jaz
12-23-2010, 10:30 PM
Andreev should not be on this list

156mphserve
12-24-2010, 03:31 AM
Didn't Andujar get his first HC win in either ATP or challengers earlier this year? Now that's horrible:lol:, but at least he got one, maybe he's improving

Gotta give this title to Riba though, to lose 0 and 2(I think it was 0 and 2, might have been 0 and 1 but I'm to lazy to check) to another player in this list(Hajek) takes the cake.

(PS: Andreev should not be anywher near this list:secret:)

straitup
12-24-2010, 03:43 AM
Never seen Riba play, but he has to take the cake. He was struggling to win a single point against Blake in the first set of their match.

Anyone remember the best grass court match of the year between Riba and Monaco(?)? :lol:

oranges
12-24-2010, 03:48 AM
Hanescu doesn't really belong in this poll. Among other things, I've watched him actually S/V 80 percent of the match in Zagreb and he was not too shabby. While slower clay suits him much better, he's not a clown on hard.Ditto for Andreev.

Action Jackson
12-24-2010, 04:00 AM
Clown options with Hanescu and Andreev.

Hajek has won matches at GS level on hardcourt. Berlocq, Riba and Volandri are dream draws on hardcourt.

Action Jackson
12-24-2010, 04:01 AM
To be honest, I didn't pay much attention to the clay court season and I haven't seen any of these guys to well during the rest of the season. They must all be terrible. I don't think I've EVER watched Andujar or Riba. Those guys must be destined to be tour journeymen...

Stick to the top players please.

Pipsy
12-24-2010, 07:57 AM
Stick to the top players please.

If your point is that I can only write informed critique of top players then point taken. Can't say I've followed the careers of people that have never been inside the top 40 in great detail.

Having said that, informed critique is not something that is commonplace in the first instance!