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dinkulpus
10-22-2011, 08:51 AM
Think that the rule is only for R1

Goldenoldie
10-22-2011, 10:42 AM
Marto is correct, QR1 and MDR1 only.

However possibly something to look at in the off season. I think the best loser scheme has worked well in rewarding players who actually send picks, so perhaps it could be extended to cover this situation.

kingroger
10-22-2011, 03:03 PM
One question:

Today we split the OOP in Sao Jose do Rio Preto... I'm missing 16 sets of picks - 5 sent late picks....
2 players are lucky that there wasn't an other lucky loser - so they won by late picks vs. no picks...

Are the 2nd Round picks of these players who sent late allowed to be used or does it go back to the old pattern: No late picks accepted??
Thanks :wavey:

kingroger
10-22-2011, 04:56 PM
guys it's urgent!!

scoobs
10-22-2011, 06:33 PM
Tough one. I think you only accept late picks in a late picks vs no picks situation and so the picks shouldn't count for R2 but I wouldn't like to say that's the rule :o

scoobs
10-22-2011, 06:38 PM
I need assistance please.

Eddy Double D did:

In

Doubles with lucian_iasi

on 10-07-2011, 09:31 PM in Sao Jose Do Rio Preto CH

and then did

In

Confirmed doubles.

on 10-14-2011, 11:06 AM in St Petersburg (same week)

This wasn't spotted and he didn't with draw his singles or his and lucian_iasi's doubles entry - I doubt lucian_iasi even knew since he never entered that tournament himself.

They've both played in St P qualifying, Eddy Double D lost in singles but lucian_iasi is alive in singles and they are both still in doubles.

Advice please?

kingroger
10-22-2011, 06:54 PM
Tough one. I think you only accept late picks in a late picks vs no picks situation and so the picks shouldn't count for R2 but I wouldn't like to say that's the rule :o

yeah I have no idea either... It's already 8 pm CEST and I don't know what to do... We don't have any scores etc...

Taz Warrior
10-22-2011, 07:12 PM
One question:

Today we split the OOP in Sao Jose do Rio Preto... I'm missing 16 sets of picks - 5 sent late picks....
2 players are lucky that there wasn't an other lucky loser - so they won by late picks vs. no picks...

Are the 2nd Round picks of these players who sent late allowed to be used or does it go back to the old pattern: No late picks accepted??
Thanks :wavey:

The same deadline is used for both rounds so the late picks shouldn't be accepted

Taz Warrior
10-22-2011, 07:16 PM
I need assistance please.

Eddy Double D did:



on 10-07-2011, 09:31 PM in Sao Jose Do Rio Preto CH

and then did



on 10-14-2011, 11:06 AM in St Petersburg (same week)

This wasn't spotted and he didn't with draw his singles or his and lucian_iasi's doubles entry - I doubt lucian_iasi even knew since he never entered that tournament himself.

They've both played in St P qualifying, Eddy Double D lost in singles but lucian_iasi is alive in singles and they are both still in doubles.

Advice please?

I think the fair thing is that Lucian_Iasi stays in St. Petersburg as he didn't commit to Sao Jose Do Rio Preto. Technically, Eddy Double D can still play in Sao Jose Do Rio Preto as he committed there first and shouldn't have been in the St Petersburg draw in the first place. Their doubles team should be withdrawn from St Petersburg.

Eddy DoubleD
10-22-2011, 08:22 PM
I guess it makes sense. I'm very sorry to do this to my partner. We were in the last round of qualifying in doubles. Also, i cannot play anymore in San Jose because i were in qualies. And even if I was in MD, i would retire because that would have been the right decision.
Again sorry for my stupid mistake and i hope i didn't mess up the things too much...

scoobs
10-22-2011, 08:28 PM
I guess it makes sense. I'm very sorry to do this to my partner. We were in the last round of qualifying in doubles. Also, i cannot play anymore in San Jose because i were in qualies. And even if I was in MD, i would retire because that would have been the right decision.
Again sorry for my stupid mistake and i hope i didn't mess up the things too much...
Sorry for your doubles week being over - always a shame when these sorts of mistakes happen.

scoobs
10-22-2011, 09:12 PM
I think the fair thing is that Lucian_Iasi stays in St. Petersburg as he didn't commit to Sao Jose Do Rio Preto. Technically, Eddy Double D can still play in Sao Jose Do Rio Preto as he committed there first and shouldn't have been in the St Petersburg draw in the first place. Their doubles team should be withdrawn from St Petersburg.

What about the R1 doubles losers and the R1 singles loser who played Eddy DoubleD? Do I need to go back and revise the results?

justafanYYC
10-22-2011, 09:55 PM
What a nightmare in Sao Jose. The tournament is trying to do 3 qualification rounds in 2 days which messes up TT.

I feel for KingRoger as the substitute manager. At this rate I wouldn't even bother with 2nd round differences. Get a good nights sleep and work out the results in the morning for the 3rd round qualy. In the end, it's the results that matter, not the differences.

kingroger
10-22-2011, 10:11 PM
What a nightmare in Sao Jose. The tournament is trying to do 3 qualification rounds in 2 days which messes up TT.

I feel for KingRoger as the substitute manager. At this rate I wouldn't even bother with 2nd round differences. Get a good nights sleep and work out the results in the morning for the 3rd round qualy. In the end, it's the results that matter, not the differences.

I'll do my best - the problem is I have to do a lot of studies tomorrow morning -.-
Anyway I try to sort out results now if it's possible...

keqtqiadv
10-23-2011, 12:51 AM
What about the R1 doubles losers and the R1 singles loser who played Eddy DoubleD? Do I need to go back and revise the results?
Yes. I think it's still possible to correct the results since the final round hasn't been played yet.

dinkulpus
10-24-2011, 08:51 AM
What happened with next tournaments, topics was suppose to be open last week :sad:

Taz Warrior
10-24-2011, 10:41 AM
Looks like Ville is busy so I'm posting the November tournaments now.
Note that the first week's tournaments should now be up so if anybody can do those please can you volunteer asap :)


Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

07/11/2011 Paris IH 64/32/32/16
07/11/2011 Ortisei CH IS 32/16/16/8
07/11/2011 Geneva CH IH 32/16/16/8
07/11/2011 Buenos Aires CH CL 32/16/16/8

14/11/2011 Sao Paolo CH FinalsIH 8/-/8/-
14/11/2011 Bratislava CH IH 32/16/16/8
14/11/2011 Salzburg CH IH 32/16/16/8
14/11/2011 Champaign CH IH 32/16/16/8
14/11/2011 Montevideo CH CL 32/16/16/8

20/11/2011 WTF London IH 8/-/8/-
21/11/2011 Helsinki CH IH 32/16/16/8
21/11/2011 Guayaquil CH CL 32/16/16/8
21/11/2011 Toyota CH IS 32/16/16/8

28/11/2010 Davis Cup Final - 2 teams

Belludal
10-24-2011, 11:42 AM
One issue that I believe it may even be repeated, but I'll do.

A player can participate in the Challenger Tour Finals and ATP Finals or the player need choose one of these tournaments?

Taz Warrior
10-24-2011, 12:06 PM
One issue that I believe it may even be repeated, but I'll do.

A player can participate in the Challenger Tour Finals and ATP Finals or the player need choose one of these tournaments?

It’s not something that’s been discussed. As it stands I don’t think there will be anybody who will qualify for both so it shouldn’t be an issue but it does need clarifying for the future

dinkulpus
10-24-2011, 03:37 PM
Sao Paulo CH finals and Guayaquil CH please :wavey:

BrazilTBfan
10-24-2011, 03:42 PM
I'll go to watch CH Finals =D In next year maybe I can take tournaments to manage.

keqtqiadv
10-24-2011, 11:01 PM
DC final.

Taz Warrior
10-25-2011, 09:22 AM
Bump - anyone for the first week tournaments? :awww:
Looks like Ville is busy so I'm posting the November tournaments now.
Note that the first week's tournaments should now be up so if anybody can do those please can you volunteer asap :)


Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

07/11/2011 Paris IH 64/32/32/16
07/11/2011 Ortisei CH IS 32/16/16/8
07/11/2011 Geneva CH IH 32/16/16/8
07/11/2011 Buenos Aires CH CL 32/16/16/8

14/11/2011 Sao Paolo CH FinalsIH 8/-/8/-
14/11/2011 Bratislava CH IH 32/16/16/8
14/11/2011 Salzburg CH IH 32/16/16/8
14/11/2011 Champaign CH IH 32/16/16/8
14/11/2011 Montevideo CH CL 32/16/16/8

20/11/2011 WTF London IH 8/-/8/-
21/11/2011 Helsinki CH IH 32/16/16/8
21/11/2011 Guayaquil CH CL 32/16/16/8
21/11/2011 Toyota CH IS 32/16/16/8

28/11/2010 Davis Cup Final - 2 teams

scoobs
10-25-2011, 10:11 AM
I can't take any that week as I'm in Paris for some of it, impossible to run the tournament from there.

I will take the WTFs and that's it for me for this year...

Taz Warrior
10-25-2011, 10:23 AM
I could take Paris but I may need some help for qualies plus it's a long time since I managed a TT tournament let alone a big one. If no-one else volunteers I'll take it otherwise I'll do one of the challengers

CoolyBri
10-25-2011, 10:40 AM
If there's no one else I can take Buenos Aires. I might need someone posting the OOPs, though, if they are published late.

scoobs
10-25-2011, 10:45 AM
I could take Paris but I may need some help for qualies plus it's a long time since I managed a TT tournament let alone a big one. If no-one else volunteers I'll take it otherwise I'll do one of the challengers

I can do entry lists for you if you like so you only need to worry about running the actual tournament.

Taz Warrior
10-25-2011, 12:42 PM
I can do entry lists for you if you like so you only need to worry about running the actual tournament.

That would be a help - I'll open the thread this afternoon :worship:

Taz Warrior
10-25-2011, 12:43 PM
If there's no one else I can take Buenos Aires. I might need someone posting the OOPs, though, if they are published late.

Thank you - could you open the thread today? I don't think anyone else will volunteer.

dinkulpus
10-25-2011, 01:25 PM
How can you became a top class manager?

justafanYYC
10-25-2011, 04:03 PM
If there's no one else I can take Buenos Aires. I might need someone posting the OOPs, though, if they are published late.

I can help you post OOPs. I'm 3 hours behind Buenos Aires.

kingroger
10-25-2011, 04:14 PM
I would love to help but I just cant...
The only possibility is that I have somebody on my side who would be able to manage as well....
I could do Ortisei or Geneva in case somebody posts diffs in the morning... I would post results and OOP...

Or

Champaign Or Montevideo - I could post diffs but somebody else should post OOP and results....

scoobs
10-25-2011, 04:16 PM
If we can't find managers we can't run the tournaments :shrug: We had this problem last year in fall but it's worse this year, and with Goldenoldie not managing anymore next year is going to be difficult unless more people step forward :sad:

kingroger
10-25-2011, 04:18 PM
Maybe we can talk with him in order to change his mind...

As I said can help under the condition of a managing assistant....

Boarder35m
10-25-2011, 05:00 PM
I can manage Ortisei, I just found out where it is located ;)

Tzar
10-25-2011, 05:02 PM
I could take Paris but I may need some help for qualies plus it's a long time since I managed a TT tournament let alone a big one. If no-one else volunteers I'll take it otherwise I'll do one of the challengers

I have free time. We could split singles/doubles if you'd like.

kingroger
10-25-2011, 05:07 PM
I have free time. We could split singles/doubles if you'd like.

I think gav just needs help for qualies... Maybe you can take a CH that week :)

Mahqz
10-25-2011, 05:10 PM
Although I've never done it I can possibly help somebody if there is a chance to do it with two. But I don't have much time on weekends.

justafanYYC
10-25-2011, 05:32 PM
I can take Montevideo. I may have to post differences an hour or so late because play would be starting around 7am my time and that's when I'm on the bus to work.

kingroger
10-25-2011, 05:42 PM
Although I've never done it I can possibly help somebody if there is a chance to do it with two. But I don't have much time on weekends.

We can do Ortisei or Geneva.... I would be away on the qualy/final weekend...

Mahqz
10-25-2011, 06:05 PM
That's the problem, my weekends are quite full and I often don't have time to send picks by myself. On the final weekend I should have enough time but not on the qualy weekend.

kingroger
10-25-2011, 06:08 PM
Can anybody manage the qualyfying of Ortisei or Geneva CH?

orangehat
10-25-2011, 06:10 PM
I can do Champaign.

Boarder35m
10-25-2011, 06:13 PM
Can anybody manage the qualyfying of Ortisei or Geneva CH?

I already posted that I will manage Ortisei Ch and if you manage Geneva Ch I´ll do the qualifications for it.

I will open Ortisei now :wavey:

kingroger
10-25-2011, 06:15 PM
I already posted that I will manage Ortisei Ch and if you manage Geneva Ch I´ll do the qualifications for it.

I will open Ortisei now :wavey:

Nice.... I'll talk to you if we need help for Qualies...

Mahqz and I will take Geneva then...

kingroger
10-25-2011, 06:20 PM
Alex we need your help... Mahqz as well as I won't be around on the Quali weekend

Boarder35m
10-25-2011, 06:25 PM
Alex we need your help... Mahqz as well as I won't be around on the Quali weekend

Ok, so if quallies are needed I will help out :wavey:

dinkulpus
10-25-2011, 07:25 PM
Let's summaries


Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

07/11/2011 Paris IH 64/32/32/16 Gavnich77 (scoobs will manage qualification)
07/11/2011 Ortisei CH IS 32/16/16/8 Boarder35m
07/11/2011 Geneva CH IH 32/16/16/8 Mahqz/kingroger
07/11/2011 Buenos Aires CH CL 32/16/16/8 CoolyBri

14/11/2011 Sao Paolo CH FinalsIH 8/-/8/- Marto
14/11/2011 Bratislava CH IH 32/16/16/8
14/11/2011 Salzburg CH IH 32/16/16/8
14/11/2011 Champaign CH IH 32/16/16/8 orangehat
14/11/2011 Montevideo CH CL 32/16/16/8 justafan YYC

20/11/2011 WTF London IH 8/-/8/- scoobs
21/11/2011 Helsinki CH IH 32/16/16/8
21/11/2011 Guayaquil CH CL 32/16/16/8 Marto
21/11/2011 Toyota CH IS 32/16/16/8

28/11/2010 Davis Cup Final - 2 teams keqtqiadv


So first tournament topic should be open ASAP, because first deadline is on Sunday

*Jean*
10-25-2011, 07:38 PM
if someone has the patience to train me during the inter-season, I'll have a go at managing next year to keep the game alive.

kingroger
10-25-2011, 07:46 PM
if someone has the patience to train me during the inter-season, I'll have a go at managing next year to keep the game alive.

I'll help you - it's basically a thing that takes us 10 minutes....
You just need to know how to use the spreadsheet :)

Goldenoldie
10-25-2011, 07:55 PM
I'll help you - it's basically a thing that takes us 10 minutes....
You just need to know how to use the spreadsheet :)


You really must be joking.
I have been spending upwards of 2 hours a day on average on TT management, and it's still not enough to do everything to satisfy some players.

I know I'm old and slow, and so is my computer, but 10 minutes? Ye Gods! :mad:

scoobs
10-25-2011, 07:56 PM
You really must be joking.
I have been spending upwards of 2 hours a day on average on TT management, and it's still not enough to do everything to satisfy some players.

I know I'm old and slow, and so is my computer, but 10 minutes? Ye Gods! :mad:
Agreed - sorting out entry lists is quite a lot of work though hopefully sfar's efforts will simplify that. Also running Monday and Tuesday can take a while to get all the picks into the spreadsheet.

Mahqz
10-25-2011, 08:12 PM
I think kingroger is talking about his explanation for Jean. ;)

dinkulpus
10-25-2011, 08:12 PM
I'll help you - it's basically a thing that takes us 10 minutes....
You just need to know how to use the spreadsheet :)

I don't agree, it takes me an hour per day to do everything in perfect way, that is the reason to increase my manager job next year :sad:

Mahqz
10-25-2011, 08:15 PM
By the way, I don't have these hours per day but if there is the possibility to divide the tasks as in Geneva I can (co-)manage more tournaments in the future.

dinkulpus
10-25-2011, 08:17 PM
By the way, I don't have these hours per day but if there is the possibility to divide the tasks as in Geneva I can (co-)manage more tournaments in the future.

This is only in first two days, when you have more picks :p

Mahqz
10-25-2011, 08:20 PM
I also do not have many hours at my job on monday or tuesday. :P And about every second weekend is difficult, too. So it's nearly impossible for me to manage a tournament alone.

kingroger
10-25-2011, 08:38 PM
Sorry for not clearly expressing what I meant...

kingroger
10-25-2011, 08:42 PM
I think kingroger is talking about his explanation for Jean. ;)

That's exactly what I meant :)

I know that sorting out Entries isn't the nicest thing...
But I always try to update entries as often as I can in order not to have 30 players to be sorted out....

Putting in diffs takes about 25 minutes maximum.....

sfar
10-25-2011, 09:28 PM
I could take Paris but I may need some help for qualies plus it's a long time since I managed a TT tournament let alone a big one. If no-one else volunteers I'll take it otherwise I'll do one of the challengers
I can do entry lists for you if you like so you only need to worry about running the actual tournament.

Ohhh, c'mon!!! So what have I done the program for, really? With my program it takes you 20 minutes to make a full entry list: 19 minutes to put together all the information about player entries + 1 minute to generate Singles & Doubles Entry List and Singles and Doubles draws.

If someone can't use the program, doesn't know how to use it, is afraid of using it or whatever, please PM me and I'll do his/her Entry Lists and Draw for the tournament they manage.

I really cannot do more. :sad:

scoobs
10-25-2011, 09:30 PM
Ohhh, c'mon!!! So what have I done the program for, really? With my program it takes you 20 minutes to make a full entry list: 19 minutes to put together all the information about player entries + 1 minute to generate Singles & Doubles Entry List and Singles and Doubles draws.

If someone can't use the program, doesn't know how to use it, is afraid of using it or whatever, please PM me and I'll do his/her Entry Lists and Draw for the tournament they manage.

I really cannot do more. :sad:
I do intend to use what you've done but I haven't had time to play with it myself yet and get comfortable that it produces the same list that I would doing it manually, I plan on starting to use it next year.

sfar
10-25-2011, 09:34 PM
Agreed - sorting out entry lists is quite a lot of work though hopefully sfar's efforts will simplify that. Also running Monday and Tuesday can take a while to get all the picks into the spreadsheet.

They do, take it a try!!

By the way, I'd love to manage, I think it's a quite interesting task to do... if you have time. I have two small kids that only don't require my atention when they sleep. ;) So, in these conditions I can only be helpfull developing some tool that can make managers lifes easier. But it's worthless if the tool isn't used.

justafanYYC
10-25-2011, 09:53 PM
It does take time every day to manage but the spreadsheet is absolutely amazing. I really enjoyed my first tournament.

dinkulpus
10-25-2011, 10:00 PM
It does take time every day to manage but the spreadsheet is absolutely amazing. I really enjoyed my first tournament.

Will take Montevideo in Uruguay?

justafanYYC
10-25-2011, 10:29 PM
Will take Montevideo in Uruguay?


Yes I Did.

Labamba
10-26-2011, 11:25 AM
thanks Gav and everybody :yeah:

I've been really swamped at work lately :( I'll update the lists now...

Labamba
10-26-2011, 11:35 AM
More people needed! :wavey:

November


Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

07/11/2011 Paris IH 64/32/32/16 Gavnich77 (scoobs)
07/11/2011 Ortisei CH IS 32/16/16/8 Boarder35m
07/11/2011 Geneva CH IH 32/16/16/8 Mahqz/kingroger
07/11/2011 Buenos Aires CH CL 32/16/16/8 CoolyBri

14/11/2011 Sao Paolo CH Finals IH 8/-/8/- Marto
14/11/2011 Bratislava CH IH 32/16/16/8
14/11/2011 Salzburg CH IH 32/16/16/8
14/11/2011 Champaign CH IH 32/16/16/8 orangehat
14/11/2011 Montevideo CH CL 32/16/16/8 justafanYYC

20/11/2011 WTF London IH 8/-/8/- scoobs

21/11/2011 Helsinki CH IH 32/16/16/8
21/11/2011 Guayaquil CH CL 32/16/16/8 Marto
21/11/2011 Toyota CH IS 32/16/16/8

28/11/2010 Davis Cup Final - 2 teams keqtqiadv

Mahqz
10-26-2011, 11:48 AM
I could do Bratislava or Salzburg and Helsinki from Monday to Friday. In Helsinki it should be possible to do final weekend as well. But I need assistance for qualies and possible other things.

kingroger
10-26-2011, 02:22 PM
I could do Bratislava or Salzburg and Helsinki from Monday to Friday. In Helsinki it should be possible to do final weekend as well. But I need assistance for qualies and possible other things.

I will think about helping out here as well... Will tell you by the weekend...

Direnan
10-26-2011, 05:27 PM
More people needed! :wavey:

November


Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

07/11/2011 Paris IH 64/32/32/16 Gavnich77 (scoobs)
07/11/2011 Ortisei CH IS 32/16/16/8 Boarder35m
07/11/2011 Geneva CH IH 32/16/16/8 Mahqz/kingroger
07/11/2011 Buenos Aires CH CL 32/16/16/8 CoolyBri

14/11/2011 Sao Paolo CH Finals IH 8/-/8/- Marto
14/11/2011 Bratislava CH IH 32/16/16/8
14/11/2011 Salzburg CH IH 32/16/16/8
14/11/2011 Champaign CH IH 32/16/16/8 orangehat
14/11/2011 Montevideo CH CL 32/16/16/8 justafanYYC

20/11/2011 WTF London IH 8/-/8/- scoobs

21/11/2011 Helsinki CH IH 32/16/16/8
21/11/2011 Guayaquil CH CL 32/16/16/8 Marto
21/11/2011 Toyota CH IS 32/16/16/8

28/11/2010 Davis Cup Final - 2 teams keqtqiadv

If, there vacancy in tournament in America, I accept, but, are "sold out". =(

justafanYYC
10-26-2011, 09:19 PM
If, there vacancy in tournament in America, I accept, but, are "sold out". =(

You can take Montevideo.

I'll take Toyota (which is a little backwards from my time zone but should be ok)

Direnan
10-27-2011, 03:02 PM
You can take Montevideo.

I'll take Toyota (which is a little backwards from my time zone but should be ok)
so... ok =)

dinkulpus
10-28-2011, 05:19 AM
When I should open a topic for Challenger finals?

Taz Warrior
10-28-2011, 07:34 AM
We'll know on Monday who's qualified so it can wait until then

dinkulpus
10-28-2011, 01:19 PM
And the schedule will be the same like WTF :awww:

Taz Warrior
10-28-2011, 02:01 PM
And the schedule will be the same like WTF :awww:

Yes

Belludal
10-28-2011, 04:19 PM
Gavin, i would to know what was decided about CH Finals - ATP Finals together.

One player can play CH Finals and ATP Finals or only CH Finals or only ATP Finals?

I would like to know this because Ilovetheblues_86 have chances to qualify for Singles ATP Finals, Doubles ATP Finals and for Singles CH Finals.

Direnan
10-28-2011, 07:17 PM
More people needed! :wavey:

November


Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

07/11/2011 Paris IH 64/32/32/16 Gavnich77 (scoobs)
07/11/2011 Ortisei CH IS 32/16/16/8 Boarder35m
07/11/2011 Geneva CH IH 32/16/16/8 Mahqz/kingroger
07/11/2011 Buenos Aires CH CL 32/16/16/8 CoolyBri

14/11/2011 Sao Paolo CH Finals IH 8/-/8/- Marto
14/11/2011 Bratislava CH IH 32/16/16/8
14/11/2011 Salzburg CH IH 32/16/16/8
14/11/2011 Champaign CH IH 32/16/16/8 orangehat
14/11/2011 Montevideo CH CL 32/16/16/8 justafanYYC

20/11/2011 WTF London IH 8/-/8/- scoobs

21/11/2011 Helsinki CH IH 32/16/16/8
21/11/2011 Guayaquil CH CL 32/16/16/8 Marto
21/11/2011 Toyota CH IS 32/16/16/8

28/11/2010 Davis Cup Final - 2 teams keqtqiadv

Labamba, I make Montevideo, and Justafan make Toyota CH. =D

Mahqz
10-28-2011, 07:19 PM
Somebody for Helsinki Qualies? I could do the rest.

kingroger
10-29-2011, 09:07 AM
I will do it Mahqz :)

Mahqz
10-29-2011, 09:13 AM
Ok good! :) so Helsinki for me please. I will be back at sunday afternoon of the qualies weekend so I can run the whole main draw. :)

But I won't have much time at the end of the next week. So when shall I open the thread? Earliest date would be sunday evening which means seven days for entering. Is this enough?

kingroger
10-29-2011, 12:16 PM
Mahqz: You should open the thread next Friday.... Just that you know I can also make draws etc...

scoobs:
Sfar's EL-Maker is so easy, it takes you 2 minutes to generate the Entry List as soon as you've understood how it works....
So just give it a try :)

dinkulpus
10-29-2011, 12:26 PM
We need Salzburg and BRatislava :sad:


14/11/2011 Bratislava CH IH 32/16/16/8
14/11/2011 Salzburg CH IH 32/16/16/8
14/11/2011 Champaign CH IH 32/16/16/8 orangehat
14/11/2011 Montevideo CH CL 32/16/16/8 Direnan

kingroger
10-29-2011, 12:29 PM
We need Salzburg and BRatislava :sad:


14/11/2011 Bratislava CH IH 32/16/16/8
14/11/2011 Salzburg CH IH 32/16/16/8
14/11/2011 Champaign CH IH 32/16/16/8 orangehat
14/11/2011 Montevideo CH CL 32/16/16/8 Direnan

I can open the topic for Salzburg and can take care of Entry Lists as well as making draws... I might be able to manage the qualification but we would need a manager who can run the Main Draw...

Mahqz
10-29-2011, 12:32 PM
The friday before the qualie weekend isn't the problem. So I can make draws and final deadline etc. I won't have internet on 19./20. and for opening the thread from 4.-6. So I could open it on thursday or sunday evening.

I'll test all the tools next tuesday when I've public holiday here in Bavaria. ;)

Mahqz
10-29-2011, 12:35 PM
I can open the topic for Salzburg and can take care of Entry Lists as well as making draws... I might be able to manage the qualification but we would need a manager who can run the Main Draw...

As I just mentioned I can't do the weekend 19./20. But I can run Salzburg from monday to friday.

kingroger
10-29-2011, 12:46 PM
As I just mentioned I can't do the weekend 19./20. But I can run Salzburg from monday to friday.

I'll run the finals weekends as well...
I will open the thread now...

Mahqz
10-29-2011, 12:48 PM
Ok! :) :wavey:

kingroger
10-29-2011, 12:51 PM
Ok! :) :wavey:

My schedule is full as now :o
I hope everything will be alright :D

scoobs
10-29-2011, 01:08 PM
I guess I could do Bratislava :o

AdeyC
10-31-2011, 11:31 PM
Having just worked out from someones elses query 10 minutes ago on WTF the one thing that I could never understand about the Spreadsheet - I'd like to have a go at hosting an event next year.
Do I just request to do it on here?

Taz Warrior
10-31-2011, 11:45 PM
Having just worked out from someones elses query 10 minutes ago on WTF the one thing that I could never understand about the Spreadsheet - I'd like to have a go at hosting an event next year.
Do I just request to do it on here?

There'll be a new thread for 2012 so request on there when it's opened - there's plenty of people around who can help as well if you have any questions

kingroger
11-04-2011, 10:14 AM
Anyone for Helsinki?

AdeyC
11-04-2011, 10:48 AM
Anyone for Helsinki?

Well can I have a try at hosting this one then? (with someone who'll keep an eye on it who can help out if I go wrong)

Direnan
11-04-2011, 01:23 PM
Guys, what minimum number of players for start a tournament?

Taz Warrior
11-04-2011, 01:24 PM
Guys, what minimum number of players for start a tournament?

16

Belludal
11-04-2011, 01:24 PM
Guys, what minimum number of players for start a tournament?

16 Players in Singles and 8 Doubles. :wavey:

Direnan
11-04-2011, 01:28 PM
16

16 Players in Singles and 8 Doubles. :wavey:

Thanks.
Montevideo is complicated... =(

dinkulpus
11-04-2011, 05:18 PM
This week we should open topics for



20/11/2011 WTF London IH 8/-/8/- scoobs

21/11/2011 Helsinki CH IH 32/16/16/8
21/11/2011 Guayaquil CH CL 32/16/16/8 Marto
21/11/2011 Toyota CH IS 32/16/16/8 justafanYYC

AdeyC
11-04-2011, 05:48 PM
Well I have asked if I can have a try at hosting Helsinki (it’d be my first time at hosting) up in post 1345 if someone can just keep an eye out on things or be on call to help out just in case I have problems – but no-one’s answered.

Goldenoldie
11-04-2011, 05:52 PM
Well I have asked if I can have a try at hosting Helsinki (it’d be my first time at hosting) up in post 1345 if someone can just keep an eye out on things or be on call to help out just in case I have problems – but no-one’s answered.

I plan to enter Helsinki, so I will be around on a regular basis if needed

dinkulpus
11-04-2011, 06:02 PM
Well I have asked if I can have a try at hosting Helsinki (it’d be my first time at hosting) up in post 1345 if someone can just keep an eye out on things or be on call to help out just in case I have problems – but no-one’s answered.

I see that Ville is not online since a long time you should try :p
Also I will be around for you :wavey:

AdeyC
11-04-2011, 07:14 PM
I plan to enter Helsinki, so I will be around on a regular basis if needed
Thank you :)

I see that Ville is not online since a long time you should try :p
Also I will be around for you :wavey:
Thank you :)

Sorry if I am asking what may seem stupid questions - so do I have to wait till my application is approved and if so by whom? And if it is I then start a thread right?

dinkulpus
11-04-2011, 07:31 PM
I think you should wait a confirm from board member, but Jim already did it :confused:

AdeyC
11-04-2011, 08:01 PM
I think you should wait a confirm from board member, but Jim already did it :confused:

Ah OK - well I shall wait till it's confirmed (or not as the case may be)


As an aside - I do think that there should be a post stickied at the beginning of this thread laying out the procedure. I know people who have done it before know the ropes but it's not clear to someone who wants to try and have a go :)

Taz Warrior
11-04-2011, 08:09 PM
Ah OK - well I shall wait till it's confirmed (or not as the case may be)


As an aside - I do think that there should be a post stickied at the beginning of this thread laying out the procedure. I know people who have done it before know the ropes but it's not clear to someone who wants to try and have a go :)

Yes it's fine for you to take it. I would offer to help but I'll be at WTF at the start of the week when you would probably need most help.

Good luck :)

orangehat
11-07-2011, 02:55 AM
I know the rule now is that you should try to play in other tournaments that you don't manage but if I am going to be in the MD in one (Champaign) and QD (by virtue of the fact that I must be an LE) in other tournaments is it fine if I play Champaign? :scratch:

Taz Warrior
11-07-2011, 07:03 AM
*Yes it's fine :)

kingroger
11-07-2011, 11:10 AM
As you know Mahqz and I manage Geneva.
Everybody was told that Mahqz will be the one picks should be send to but I received picks aswell which Mahqz didn't receive...

My question is now if We can accept those 3 sets of picks I received...
I know the rules say picks must be sent to the manager
But as we are 2 managers people might have misunderstood...

Taz Warrior
11-07-2011, 11:52 AM
As you know Mahqz and I manage Geneva.
Everybody was told that Mahqz will be the one picks should be send to but I received picks aswell which Mahqz didn't receive...

My question is now if We can accept those 3 sets of picks I received...
I know the rules say picks must be sent to the manager
But as we are 2 managers people might have misunderstood...

As you are co-managing the tournament, it is fine for the picks to be accepted. It is different from sending to someone who isn't managing the tournament.

Vilnietė
11-07-2011, 02:38 PM
As you are co-managing the tournament, it is fine for the picks to be accepted. It is different from sending to someone who isn't managing the tournament.

Does this mean that I can always send my picks to the manager who opened the thread and not bother that maybe he is away for a weekend and someone else is managing qualification?

Taz Warrior
11-07-2011, 02:46 PM
Does this mean that I can always send my picks to the manager who opened the thread and not bother that maybe he is away for a weekend and someone else is managing qualification?

No, you should always read the instructions clearly and send them to the person specified. Strictly speaking, we can refuse to accept them in you send to the wrong manager but in this case the managers are working together and it is easy to see where any confusion arose.

It also makes life easier for the manager which ensures the tournament runs smoother for the players as well ;)

Vilnietė
11-07-2011, 03:01 PM
I'm surprised :) I didn't expect such nice answer to my stupid question :) you must have a lot of patience

it's not that I'm complaining about accepting or not accepting picks (this situation has nothing to do with me personally) but I saw the rule about sending picks to a correct manager and I didn't know that there can be an exception...

CoolyBri
11-07-2011, 03:12 PM
In Buenos Aires there are four spots for LLs in the first round.
There were four qualy matches, so there are four potential LLs. Three of them sent (and will get in).
One player did not send for qualies and was replaced by an ALT there. He now did send his picks for Monday's matches. Can he still be an LL although he was not in the QD (as he was replaced there)?

Taz Warrior
11-07-2011, 03:33 PM
^:scratch: I don't know if this has ever happened before
If they hadn't been replaced by an ALT in qualifying because there weren't any then they would be able to get in as a LL so I guess they should still be able to

kingroger
11-09-2011, 05:39 PM
How do I have to handle the match Phau vs. Lisnard where we had an retirement? I'm not quite sure about the rule...

orangehat
11-09-2011, 05:54 PM
Counts as a Phau win, in case of a shootout decision of Phau vs. Lisnard then the Shootout win goes to the one with Phau,

If the shootout is Phau 2-0 vs. 2-1 or Lisnard 2-0 vs 2-1 then ignore that, move on to the next shootout.

I still need an assistant manager to receive picks for Champaign, anyone :wavey:?

dinkulpus
11-09-2011, 06:10 PM
Counts as a Phau win, in case of a shootout decision of Phau vs. Lisnard then the Shootout win goes to the one with Phau,

If the shootout is Phau 2-0 vs. 2-1 or Lisnard 2-0 vs 2-1 then ignore that, move on to the next shootout.

I still need an assistant manager to receive picks for Champaign, anyone :wavey:?


I will manage Sao Paulo this week, so count me for that work :p

orangehat
11-09-2011, 08:14 PM
^ Thanks :)

scoobs
11-10-2011, 02:47 PM
Is Bratislava CH 120 pt or 90 pt please?

Taz Warrior
11-10-2011, 03:27 PM
Is Bratislava CH 120 pt or 90 pt please?

120 :)

kingroger
11-11-2011, 03:04 PM
In Salzburg I have a doubles team ranked 30 and 31.... Are they considered LE or not? Are there even LE in TT at all? :D

Edit: I found the rule - they should be LE's.... They can't be seeded as well, can they?

orangehat
11-11-2011, 03:07 PM
^ Think the top 30 rule only applies for singles, so they aren't LEs and can be seeded.

Taz Warrior
11-11-2011, 03:09 PM
LE rule doesn’t apply for top 30 in doubles

kingroger
11-11-2011, 03:09 PM
Thanks - my first thought was right then :D

kingroger
11-11-2011, 05:02 PM
Can Top30 players be seeded in the QD??? I know they can't in Main Draws but I'm not sure about QD

Mahqz
11-11-2011, 06:50 PM
We had this in St Remy this year where we ended up with a QR1 game between two Top30 players. So I think they cannot be seeded also in QD.

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=188637

kingroger
11-11-2011, 06:52 PM
Yep I saw that as well - Thanks :)

dinkulpus
11-13-2011, 10:51 AM
When we will have open the topic for changes?

keqtqiadv
11-13-2011, 11:22 PM
After the end of the current season :p Possibly the week after the WTF.

AdeyC
11-14-2011, 08:11 AM
I have just noticed that a player has committed in Toyota first, withdrawn from there, and then entered Helsinki, which I am hosting
Entered Toyota – 11-8-2011. 06.57AM
Withdrew Toyota – 11-9-2011. 05.53AM
Entered Helsinki – 11-9-2011 05.52AM
I am right in thinking that that player should be a LE in Helsinki, even though they committed to Helsinki before the first singles deadline aren’t I?.

Boarder35m
11-14-2011, 08:22 AM
I have just noticed that a player has committed in Toyota first, withdrawn from there, and then entered Helsinki, which I am hosting
Entered Toyota – 11-8-2011. 06.57AM
Withdrew Toyota – 11-9-2011. 05.53AM
Entered Helsinki – 11-9-2011 05.52AM
I am right in thinking that that player should be a LE in Helsinki, even though they committed to Helsinki before the first singles deadline aren’t I?.

Yes, you are right, He/She should be a late entry :)

justafanYYC
11-14-2011, 04:46 PM
Yes that is correct, sorry I should have listed the player in the list in red.
I've done it now for what it's worth.

Lots of strange movement this week.

kingroger
11-14-2011, 08:53 PM
DudiSela75 joe87

Phau 6:3 3:6 6:3 Phau 5-7 7-5 6-3
Niland 6:3 6:3 Niland 6-4 7-5
Minar 6:3 6:3 Minar 6-3 6-4
Gojowczyk 6:3 6:3 Gojowczyk 7-5 6-3
Bloemke 6:3 6:3 Bloemke 7-6 6-4
Struff 6:3 6:3 Struff 6-4 6-3
Beck 6:3 6:3 Beck 7-5 6-3
Becker 6:3 6:3 Becker 6-4 6-2

I think joe87 won on PTS6 as he correctly picked the order of 2 sets and predicted one correct set result.... Struff won 6-4/6-2
Is that right?
These are the results:


2 Phau 62 64
2 Niland 61 60
1 Weintraub 63 76
1 Gojowczyk 62 67 63
2 Bloemke 46 64 76
1 Struff 64 62
1 Beck 76 67 64
1 Becker 76 63

orangehat
11-14-2011, 08:56 PM
joe87 wins, but on PTS5 (2 correct scorelines, 64 and 76)

justafanYYC
11-17-2011, 09:44 PM
I have two SE questions.

A) My tournament in Toyota, Japan will have qualifying start early, I expect play to start around 3am Saturday CET.
I have to get the draws ready before the semifinals end in the previous week's tournament. The worse one is Montevideo where qualifying in Japan will probably start BEFORE the semifinals in Montevideo is completed. I have a some candidates for SE, what are the rules here, make provisional draws?

B) Can a top 30 player who is LE in a Challenger qualify for SE?

AdeyC
11-18-2011, 07:54 AM
I might have the situation of three players requesting SE’s

Deathless Mortal (Post 115 – asked question if he decides to commit to Helsinki – also in Salzburg SF – opposite half of draw to Elmo Jr) – Would be ALT No 13 if he commits.
Elmo Jr (Post 117 - currently in Salzburg SF) – Currently ALT No 4 in Qualifying Draw List
Abollo (Post 118 - in final of Champaign) – Currently No 8 in Qualifying Draw List

As Deathless Mortal has just asked a question and not applied yet am I right that Abollo will get one SE as he’s now in final and Elmo Jr would get the second SE if he makes the final in Salzburg regardless of whether Deathless Mortal commits or not.

Also, what happens if Elmo Jr’s match isn’t decided by 6pm CET. Do I just include him in the qually draw at 6pm. Then if he wins in Salzburg do I automatically move him up to the main draw and put ALT No 1 into his place in the qually draw?
And if he loses in Salzburg that main draw place will then go to the No 1 LL from the final qualifying round loser?

Goldenoldie
11-18-2011, 08:40 AM
Deathless Mortal would get SE in preference to Elmo Jr as he has higher ranking.

If matches are not decided by the time you do the QD, put him in and leave an extra space in MD.

This is from the FAQ guide:-

What happens if there are more players than available SE spots? How are players chosen?

In this case, they are chosen by ranking.

Number of special exempts:

ATP Masters Series (1000) and International Series Gold (500) Tournaments shall have one (1) Special Exempt and International Series (250) and Challenger Series Tournaments shall have two (2).

Players may receive a Special Exempt into the main draw of the following week's tournament if they meet the criteria and apply for it before the final deadline. If the main draw is to be made before a potential Special Exempt player plays on Friday, then such place(s) shall be drawn in the same manner as qualifier, i.e., four qualifiers ("Q") and one or two "SE" depending on whether there are one or two possibilities. Each of the five or six slots are marked "Q/SE." As soon as the "SE" match results are known, either the "SE" or the next Direct Acceptance (if the SE lost) is randomly drawn and inserted into the draw.

dinkulpus
11-18-2011, 09:59 AM
Can a TOP 30 player get SE?

Mahqz
11-18-2011, 10:05 AM
The FAQs do not say "no" I think... The ATP doesn't meet this problem because the higher ranked players may only enter with WC...

dinkulpus
11-18-2011, 10:32 AM
The FAQs do not say "no" I think... The ATP doesn't meet this problem because the higher ranked players may only enter with WC...

There is no rule which mention about this case in FAQ thread

Mahqz
11-18-2011, 10:43 AM
So it's not forbidden I think. ;)

AdeyC
11-18-2011, 11:13 AM
Is a player still in the Year End Challenger Championships entitled to request a SE?

Taz Warrior
11-18-2011, 11:40 AM
Is a player still in the Year End Challenger Championships entitled to request a SE?

Yes

Taz Warrior
11-18-2011, 11:41 AM
Can a TOP 30 player get SE?

I don't think this has come up before so as it doesn't say no in the rules I guess they can.
Maybe this can be included in the off-season discussion

justafanYYC
11-18-2011, 02:20 PM
Deathless Mortal and lolada_4 have applied for SE in Toyota.

AdeyC
11-18-2011, 03:20 PM
Deathless Mortal and lolada_4 have applied for SE in Toyota.

Deathless Mortal's decided he's not going to go for Helsinki.

AdeyC
11-20-2011, 05:19 PM
Can someone please check/confirm that I have got the LL placements correct from the below?

Struff v Martin was the one SR PTS match of the day. Broseghini picked Srtuff 3-6 6-4 7-5 and Herzeleid picked Struff 6-3 6-1
Struff lost the match 4-6 4-6 so I am right that Broseghini gets the No 1 LL spot because gave a set to winner arent I?

01:02 | StoGas (LTU) vs. (8) Etihad (ARG) #SRs: 1-2
02:01 | (2) Overlord (FIN) vs. coolfish1103 (USA) #SRs: 2-0
02:02 | (4) Pauchis (ARG) vs. Broseghini (BRA) #SRs: 2-1
02:02 | Herzeleid (ARG) vs. Nixer (RUS) #SRs: 1-2
LL ORDER
1
2
3 StoGas
4 coolfish1103

justafanYYC
11-20-2011, 05:46 PM
Yes that is correct. To be certain, you should input Broseghini and Herzeleid as a separate match in the spreadsheet and it will tell you the winner. I had to break a 3-way tie this way for LLs in my tournament.

AdeyC
11-20-2011, 07:52 PM
Yes that is correct. To be certain, you should input Broseghini and Herzeleid as a separate match in the spreadsheet and it will tell you the winner. I had to break a 3-way tie this way for LLs in my tournament.

Oh what a brilliant idea - thanks for that :worship:

AdeyC
11-21-2011, 04:25 PM
Can I please check that I have got the scoring right on a match that’s still ongoing
Player A v Player B
Robert 6-3 4-6 6-4 v Robert 3-6 6-3 6-4 SR1 PTS – WON 7-6 6-4 = 16-13 (+3 game difference) v 15-13 (+2 game difference) RESULT 13-10 (+3 game difference) – Player A would win???
Zeballos 63 64 v Zeballos 63 64 SR2 PTS– LOST 6-3 6-7 6-4
Zverev 63 64 v Zverev 63 64 SR3 PTS
Elgin 6-3 6-4 v Elgin 6-3 6-2 SR4 PTS

orangehat
11-21-2011, 04:48 PM
Should be Player A with 29 total games and 3 GD, Player B with 28 total games and 2 GD

Result is 23 total games with 3 GD

Hence player A is 6 (29-23) + 0 (3-3) = 6, player B is 5 (28-23) + 1 (3-2) = 6,

Player A wins on closer Game Difference (0 vs. 1)

AdeyC
11-21-2011, 05:36 PM
Should be Player A with 29 total games and 3 GD, Player B with 28 total games and 2 GD

Result is 23 total games with 3 GD

Hence player A is 6 (29-23) + 0 (3-3) = 6, player B is 5 (28-23) + 1 (3-2) = 6,

Player A wins on closer Game Difference (0 vs. 1)

Thanks - I appreciate you all helping a newbie out :worship::worship:

dinkulpus
11-21-2011, 05:37 PM
Adey, first wait PTS4 to finish :p

Elgin 64 vs 62

orangehat
11-21-2011, 08:03 PM
Amazing how people get Game Difference on their first tournaments and I haven't got one in like 20 tournaments? :lol:

dinkulpus
11-21-2011, 08:12 PM
Amazing how people get Game Difference on their first tournaments and I haven't got one in like 20 tournaments? :lol:

Here we don't have GD :p

dinkulpus
11-23-2011, 09:27 PM
Will we have awards this year :p

Taz Warrior
11-23-2011, 10:38 PM
Will we have awards this year :p

Of course :p

AdeyC
11-28-2011, 11:23 AM
Can the front page be updated to say that I did Helsinki please :)

Labamba
12-01-2011, 09:16 AM
Can the front page be updated to say that I did Helsinki please :)

sure :)