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ExcaliburII
04-10-2011, 06:33 PM
Why is there even a discussion? Hate to say it, but there is no doubt at all Fiber/manu won. This has happened a lot of times

FiBeR
04-10-2011, 06:36 PM
I didn't see any post by rvugt saying you had lost in the thread. Posting that one of the players hasn't sent picks isn't the same thing as saying the team has no chances to win or saying the opposing team has won. If he actually said that somewhere else, then there would obviously be no reason why you should have sent picks and what I said wouldn't be valid.

Is this good enough for you?

Okay, just a small mention from my side. I am completely the one to blame me here. I am sorry about that, and people saying that FiBeR and manu86 had to send, they are wrong. I didn't mean to say that Allez-Alejo/Tzar had already won, but I was thinking that they did, so I might have written something like that. So if people want to punish me and be angry at me they have all the right!

l_mac
04-10-2011, 06:39 PM
I ve played for longer than you and this had never happened in TT in this misleading way when a manager had been around to make this not happen

I made a dreadful mistake last year at TT AO, actually publishing the wrong result :shrug: It was resolved calmly, without any bitter whining/conspiracy theories. I still don't see any posts from rvugt saying that FiBeR/manu86 had actually lost.

Tzar's idea about playing a one match final is a good one, IMO, if the opponents agree.

What is bullism? IMO I think the board should have banned you from playing TT after you accused me of cheating, with no grounds :shrug:

scoobs
04-10-2011, 06:43 PM
Okay there's a specific issue that's being discussed here - we don't need everybody dragging up unrelated historic personal grievances.

FiBeR
04-10-2011, 06:45 PM
If you guys give a tournament to a manager, it is BM's responsability.

Sorry to break it down to you fellas but in order to get priviledges you gotta take responsabilities. That is why I am not mad at ruben but at you all (and im talking to the old BM, I can sympathise more with the new ones).

And the BM's attitude is "let's look away and hope it fades in time". Is this the way things should be handled?

Yet to keqtqiadv it was my fault :confused:. No, it was your fault for not doing anything when you can and having the power to.

l_mac
04-10-2011, 06:45 PM
Why is there even a discussion? Hate to say it, but there is no doubt at all Fiber/manu won. This has happened a lot of times
There is no discussion about that. Only Tzar for whatever reason thought he and A-A should play the final.

keqtqiadv
04-10-2011, 06:48 PM
Is this good enough for you?
As I said, if he did, I'm sorry. I wrote everything considering what I saw in the thread. But I still haven't seen any posts where he could have said that. All I meant is that if the final results weren't posted players shouldn't assume they won or lost.

Tzar
04-10-2011, 06:48 PM
What is bullism? IMO I think the board should have banned you from playing TT after you accused me of cheating, with no grounds :shrug:

Accusing someone of cheating is a very bold thing to do, however, even if wrong, that does not give you the right to ban someone just because. This comment reflects the abuse of power from some BMs, and it's been like that all along. It seems like shit is made up for your very own comfort.

Tzar
04-10-2011, 06:51 PM
There is no discussion about that. Only Tzar for whatever reason thought he and A-A should play the final.

Well I find some of the rules rather confusing, and from what I real on the rules thread, I thought we were supposed to play the final as "no late picks are accepted" and then it said something about winning by W/O. It's not like I'm making shit up. That's just what I understood from reading the rules thread.

scoobs
04-10-2011, 06:52 PM
Unless there were PMs, reps or posts in another thread, nowhere did the manager say that Tzar and Allez-Alejo had won.

Tzar asked if they were in the final. Allez-Alejo responded "yes"

The manager posted a bit after that and didn't contradict any of this, but that's all I can find.

Based on that, I still don't see why FiBeR and manu didn't send - it's not like the manager even made Tzar / Allez-Alejo blue on the diffs to indicate that they'd won :shrug:

People just making assumptions before the manager has posted the results - seems like that was done late in the day but even so...there's more than a bit of fault here, it seems to me.

dinkulpus
04-10-2011, 06:58 PM
Tell me if am wrong, if player withdrawn from a tournament and commit to other tournament before the first deadline, he is late entry? Right?

FiBeR
04-10-2011, 07:02 PM
Unless there were PMs, reps or posts in another thread, nowhere did the manager say that Tzar and Allez-Alejo had won.

Tzar asked if they were in the final. Allez-Alejo responded "yes"

The manager posted a bit after that and didn't contradict any of this, but that's all I can find.

Based on that, I still don't see why FiBeR and manu didn't send - it's not like the manager even made Tzar / Allez-Alejo blue on the diffs to indicate that they'd won :shrug:

People just making assumptions before the manager has posted the results - seems like that was done late in the day but even so...there's more than a bit of fault here, it seems to me.

try the previous two lines...

l_mac
04-10-2011, 07:04 PM
Tell me if am wrong, if player withdrawn from a tournament and commit to other tournament before the first deadline, he is late entry? Right?

Yes.

scoobs
04-10-2011, 07:05 PM
try the previous two paragraphs..

The fact is, the manager ONLY posted that manu86's picks were late and didn't count. He didn't say anyone won or lost - you, and your opponents, both assumed that, and you didn't send for the final, and the manager was really late posting the actual results which showed that you actually won. But the fact that the manager was extremely late isn't the problem here although clearly it didn't help because you might have had time to spot the mistake and send, the problem is you all assumed you knew who won the match, and you were wrong.

Am I missing anything?

jmjhb
04-10-2011, 07:11 PM
I think a possible solution when someone doesn't send would be to make sure that the differences are posted manually, ie.

Nadal, Federer vs. no pick, no pick

instead of 'Missing picks from Player X' which is usually the case.

This would at least allow the players to have an educated guess who won the match and would hopefully avoid such a case in the future.

Perhaps it would be worth posting the SRs too. However, PTS would be almost impossible to figure out, but if the match was that close, I would assume that both players would send just in case.

scoobs
04-10-2011, 07:13 PM
I think a possible solution when someone doesn't send would be to make sure that the differences are posted manually, ie.

Nadal, Federer vs. no pick, no pick

instead of 'Missing picks from Player X' which is usually the case.

This would at least allow the players to have an educated guess who won the match and would hopefully avoid such a case in the future.
I think that's a good idea - there have been 3 cases I know of this year already where a team with missing picks has beaten a team that both sent...

FiBeR
04-10-2011, 07:14 PM
The fact is, the manager ONLY posted that manu86's picks were late and didn't count. He didn't say anyone won or lost - you, and your opponents, both assumed that, and you didn't send for the final, and the manager was really late posting the actual results which showed that you actually won. But the fact that the manager was extremely late isn't the problem here although clearly it didn't help because you might have had time to spot the mistake and send, the problem is you all assumed you knew who won the match, and you were wrong.

Am I missing anything?

Yes, results were not late: they were after the start of the final which happens to be crucial to the point. There was no way to find out we were alive until the final had started.

Plus he didn't contradict the other SFists when they claimed they won, didn't post differences and made everyone believe (including himself) we had lost.

I also congratulated our rivals and wasn't told otherwise which is crucial. I honestly thought I'd lost. Do you think I am making all this mess b/c I want to take advantage of a situation or just because?

I clearly congratulated my rivals and that means I understood I lost, which was clearly what the manager meant when posting the differences, and Tzar-AA meant as well.

If I had been told "you still have chance", I would have sent. Isn't that relevant?

FiBeR
04-10-2011, 07:18 PM
:clap2:

Final match has started. Another brilliant display of effectiveness from the board in coming with an answer :yeah: Thanks for the help :wavey:

scoobs
04-10-2011, 07:19 PM
Yes, results were not late: they were after the start of the final which happens to be crucial to the point. There was no way to find out we were alive until the final had started.

Plus he didn't contradict the other SFists when they claimed they won, didn't post differences and made everyone believe (including himself) we had lost.

I also congratulated our rivals and wasn't told otherwise which is crucial. I honestly thought I'd lost. Do you think I am making all this mess b/c I want to take advantage of a situation or just because?

I clearly congratulated my rivals and that means I understood I lost, which was clearly what the manager meant when posting the differences, and Tzar-AA meant as well.

If I had been told "you still have chance", I would have sent. Isn't that relevant?

Of course it is relevant, and it's really bad that the manager didn't update the results sooner, or post proper diffs, or any of that - it's terrible that, having seen the mistake, you didn't get a window to send picks in.

But - you won a match yourself single-handedly last week against a team who both sent picks - in the tournament I managed, and went on to win the tournament when your doubles partner arrived - so why would You, of all people, assume that because one's picks didn't count, you'd automatically lost? That's the bit I don't follow - you already knew that wasn't necessarily true...

FiBeR
04-10-2011, 07:23 PM
Of course it is relevant, and it's really bad that the manager didn't update the results sooner, or post proper diffs, or any of that - it's terrible that, having seen the mistake, you didn't get a window to send picks in.

But - you won a match yourself single-handedly last week against a team who both sent picks - in the tournament I managed, and went on to win the tournament when your doubles partner arrived - so why would You, of all people, assume that because one's picks didn't count, you'd automatically lost? That's the bit I don't follow - you already knew that wasn't necessarily true...

It is very different cos I knew the differences and was a 1vs1 match in last week's challenger..
This differs cos the manager said my partner didnt send and this was a 1vs2 match (instead of 1vs1). Plus the fact the other Sfinalists claimed they were in the final and weren't told otherwise being the manager around, and I posted congratulating my rivals assuming I'd lost as well and wasn't told otherwise.

The manager claimed and clearly stated he of all thought we'd lost. Plus you did show us our differences, it is not like I was lazy to not calculate them. It was impossible to tell and being 1vs2 + rivals saying GSM + manager not saying otherwise = is it hard to believe I thought I had lost?

scoobs
04-10-2011, 07:26 PM
It is very different cos I knew the differences and was a 1vs1 match in last week's challenger..
This differs cos the manager said my partner didnt send and this was a 1vs2 match (instead of 1vs1). Plus the fact the other Sfinalists claimed they were in the final and weren't told otherwise being the manager around, and I posted congratulating my rivals assuming I'd lost as well and wasn't told otherwise.

The manager claimed and clearly stated he of all thought we'd lost. Plus you did show us our differences, it is not like I was lazy to not calculate them. It was impossible to tell and being 1vs2 + rivals saying GSM + manager not saying otherwise = is it hard to believe I thought I had no chance?
Well it is what it is, I can see why you might have thought you'd have no chance.

I just know, if it had been me, I'd have asked the managed for actual diffs, or asked my opponents to post their picks, or sent for the final just in case - I don't assume I've lost until I see the manager clearly announce it cos mistakes do get made...

FiBeR
04-10-2011, 07:45 PM
Well it is what it is, I can see why you might have thought you'd have no chance.

I just know, if it had been me, I'd have asked the managed for actual diffs, or asked my opponents to post their picks, or sent for the final just in case - I don't assume I've lost until I see the manager clearly announce it cos mistakes do get made...

it is what it is, but not my fault. This was a manager's mistake, not a player's and I don't agree that it was my fault and my partner's.

The are certain things Managers take care and are responsible for:
*Confidential trust -no manager should misuse player's picks and information related to that
*Power to posting the OOP and making the draws
*Taking care of the tournament overall -Keep draws updated, post differences in time and correctly and give updates.
*Power to announce winners

If a manager makes a mistake, it is not a player's fault. I won't accept it cos there is a Board to take action and to step in the case something accurs. Otherwise what's the point of having people watching over who have real power to make a choice if we re going to blame players for manager's mistakes? :wavey:

Allez-Alejo
04-10-2011, 07:58 PM
This was not Ray and Manu's fault. I know that if the situation was reversed, I would also have thought I lost and not sent for the next round. It is highly unlikely this manager would have even posted anything else if we asked. When a manager states one player didn't send and subsequently does not post the according difs, I assume that there are no consequential difs to be had. If you or someone else would have the patience and guile to assume otherwise, then more power to you. I am just used to having a certain amount of faith in the managers.

rvugt
04-10-2011, 10:37 PM
Is it really a discussion whether it is my fault or manu86/FiBeR? I think it is clear that it is my fault. So please, don't blame FiBeR for this, he couldn't have done anything else!

orangehat
04-11-2011, 12:59 AM
Sry ville, might not have internet connection for the Rome 2 CH week, so someone else should take it.

Goldenoldie
04-11-2011, 02:26 AM
Sry ville, might not have internet connection for the Rome 2 CH week, so someone else should take it.

I am available that week.

orangehat
04-11-2011, 03:31 AM
I am available that week.

Sure, go ahead :)

Thanks.

Elirj70
04-12-2011, 11:51 PM
BOARDER or another TT MAnager,

Please , my doubt is:

Player A pick is
BELLUCI 20
GONZALEZ 21
TIPSAREVIC 21

Player B pick is
BELLUCCI 21
HANESCU 21
LOPEZ 21

Official results are: SIMON 20 BELLUCCI - GONZALEZ 21 HANESCU and LOPEZ 21 TIPSAREVIC

Who win?

dinkulpus
04-12-2011, 11:54 PM
Player A win with shootout on SR2 :wavey:

Elirj70
04-12-2011, 11:56 PM
Player A win with shootout on SR2 :wavey:
And about PLAYER B set to the winner SR1 (SIMON)?

dinkulpus
04-12-2011, 11:58 PM
And about PLAYER B set to the winner SR1 (SIMON)?

Yes, yes, you are right, now I saw.
1:1 matches 1:1 SRs, but player B win with shootout on SR1 (give a set to winner).

It's definitely time for sleeping for me :wavey:

Elirj70
04-13-2011, 12:24 AM
Yes, yes, you are right, now I saw.
1:1 matches 1:1 SRs, but player B win with shootout on SR1 (give a set to winner).

It's definitely time for sleeping for me :wavey:

Thanks, Mate!

Labamba
04-14-2011, 08:26 AM
this week :rocker2:


Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

02/05/2011 Madrid CL 64/32/32/16 -Evita-
02/05/2011 Prague CH CL 32/16/16/8 scoobs
02/05/2011 Savannah CH CL 32/16/16/8 Belludal
02/05/2011 Rome 2 CH CL 32/16/16/8 Goldenoldie

dinkulpus
04-14-2011, 09:22 PM
A player should commit for SE or automatically I should do it :wavey:

Goldenoldie
04-14-2011, 09:50 PM
The player has to ask before the final deadline. If you happen to notice that someone could get a SE you can remind them, but it is their responsibility.

<Eve>
04-15-2011, 10:30 AM
this week :rocker2:


Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

02/05/2011 Madrid CL 64/32/32/16 -Evita-
02/05/2011 Prague CH CL 32/16/16/8 .EvE.
02/05/2011 Savannah CH CL 32/16/16/8 Belludal
02/05/2011 Rome 2 CH CL 32/16/16/8 Goldenoldie


My sweet hubby scoobs :kiss: is willing to take over Prague from me so that I can become a jobless immigrant in Switzerland :D :angel:

So Prague CH will be scoobs i.s.o. .EvE.

scoobs
04-15-2011, 10:32 AM
My sweet hubby scoobs :kiss: is willing to take over Prague from me so that I can become a jobless immigrant in Switzerland :D :angel:

So Prague CH will be scoobs i.s.o. .EvE.
Confirmed :)

dinkulpus
04-15-2011, 10:35 AM
The player has to ask before the final deadline. If you happen to notice that someone could get a SE you can remind them, but it is their responsibility.

I tried to send a PM, but this member choose a options not to receive PMs, so I can't do anything :confused:

scoobs
04-15-2011, 10:37 AM
well then if they don't physically apply, that's too bad for them :shrug:

Personally, I'm not chasing people to ask if they want SEs

orangehat
04-15-2011, 03:37 PM
Would someone kindly post the Barcelona OoP in the thread later? Thanks.

*Jean* and Renaud should send picks to applegirl but apart from already sending them PMs reminding them to do so, I've also already posted it in the thread.

dinkulpus
04-15-2011, 08:26 PM
Would someone kindly post the Barcelona OoP in the thread later? Thanks.

*Jean* and Renaud should send picks to applegirl but apart from already sending them PMs reminding them to do so, I've also already posted it in the thread.

I posted it :wavey:

orangehat
04-16-2011, 01:06 AM
thanks :D

Goldenoldie
04-17-2011, 08:04 PM
I have a bit of a dilemma in Athens. Today's final was rained off. If (heaven forbid) it is also rained off tomorrow, and the tournament is abandoned,how do I proceed?

My interpretation of the rules is that the unplayed match simply does not count, the same as if one of the players had been injured, and the TT results are based on the 2 Saturday matches.

However there is a suggestion that the points should be shared. I know we did that on a previous occasion (Reunion Island??) but that was a bit different as it was at the QF stage, and there was no way of determining winners and losers.

Whatever happens there will be 3 happy players and 3 unhappy ones!

Comments please.

scoobs
04-17-2011, 08:10 PM
My view is that if the final has started and 2 matches are played, if the third one is cancelled then the other 2 matches should decide the final.

It's only the same as if you're play an 8 match round, you need the last match to win your round, and one player pulls out so the match no longer counts, so you lose. Unfortunate but too bad.

Taz Warrior
04-17-2011, 08:32 PM
I think it counts as if the match hadn't been played, i.e., the same as if it had been a walkover.

Boarder35m
04-17-2011, 08:36 PM
I agree with Gavin

scoobs
04-17-2011, 09:20 PM
It looks like Tursunov withdrew anyway. From his twitter:


TursunovTales Dmitry Tursunov

Had to make a pretty tough decision today... Had to pull out from the tournament due to a knee problem... I t seems I don't age gracefully

Goldenoldie
04-17-2011, 09:29 PM
Thanks everyone

Belludal
04-17-2011, 10:17 PM
Goldenoldie, i had a problem on Challenger of Recife that was like your problem.

Fernandes lost the final of Challenger by walkover because don´t have conditions to play the final.

But i don't had problem to know the winners because a rain that put the pick of the final with 4 options of final and with the victory of Fernandes don´t have enough diffs to change the winners.

On first day had SRs diffs that put one double with advantage and one single player and with the victory of Fernandes on Semifinals don't had enough diffs on Sunday.

But i think in your position that the best is give the title and points for the players that are on advantage by the results of day 1.

dinkulpus
04-18-2011, 10:36 AM
Estoril 16 or 32 players quali draw ?

Boarder35m
04-18-2011, 10:52 AM
Estoril 16 or 32 players quali draw ?

16 players.
You can see it on the 1st page of this thread :wavey:

dinkulpus
04-18-2011, 10:55 AM
16 players.
You can see it on the 1st page of this thread :wavey:

I know this, but this week also Rome CH was 16 and it was upgraded to 32 draw :wavey:

dinkulpus
04-18-2011, 02:59 PM
One question.
Can a team, which was not in lucky loser list get in the main draw (they lost in first round of quali) :wavey:

Taz Warrior
04-18-2011, 03:24 PM
Yes, LLs can come from the 1st round of qualies if not enough people sent from the final qualy round.

scoobs
04-18-2011, 03:27 PM
Prague in week 18 - 120 pointer? It's an €85K

Taz Warrior
04-18-2011, 03:34 PM
Prague in week 18 - 120 pointer? It's an €85K

Yes

scoobs
04-18-2011, 03:36 PM
Yes
:hatoff:

dinkulpus
04-18-2011, 04:42 PM
Just to post here from now, I talked with Labamba :wavey:

Me and Alex (Boarder35m) will take Wimbledon :wavey:
I will take singles and Alex doubles :p

Belludal
04-18-2011, 07:05 PM
WTC Düsseldorf give points to ranking?

What are the countries that play on this tournament? What is necessary? I would like to know informations about the tournament here on Tennis Tipping. :cool:

Taz Warrior
04-18-2011, 07:22 PM
WTC Düsseldorf give points to ranking?

What are the countries that play on this tournament? What is necessary? I would like to know informations about the tournament here on Tennis Tipping. :cool:

Yes, there are ranking points available here. Qualification is based upon the combined ranking of the top 2 singles players at the previous year end. Qualified countries for 2011 are:

1. Germany
2. Brazil
3. USA
4. Great Britain
5. Argentina
6. France
7. Holland
8. Australia

ALTS
- Italy
- Croatia
- Finland.

Björki
04-18-2011, 07:45 PM
what if the No 1 does not want to play?

Taz Warrior
04-18-2011, 07:51 PM
The team is still eligible to play. The players who qualify the team don't have to be the ones who play :)

Belludal
04-18-2011, 08:21 PM
The team is still eligible to play. The players who qualify the team don't have to be the ones who play :)

How many points the Champion of Dusseldorf win?

The number of victories is the number of points of each player or are points to the Champion Team, to the second place, to third place... ?

Taz Warrior
04-18-2011, 09:06 PM
How many points the Champion of Dusseldorf win?

The number of victories is the number of points of each player or are points to the Champion Team, to the second place, to third place... ?

Singles
1st R: +25
2nd R: +25
3rd R: +25
*Finals: +75
**Bonus Points: +50

The same for doubles...

* Player who only play the finals will be awarded points from the previous round

** Players must win all 4 matches and be part of the winning team in order to earn the Bonus Points

Taz Warrior
04-18-2011, 09:13 PM
Therefore, if you win all your matches and your team wins you can get a maximum of 200 points - the same as for winning a 250 tournament.

Labamba
04-20-2011, 08:47 AM
this week :smoke:


Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

09/05/2011 Rome CL 64/32/32/16 scoobs
09/05/2011 Bordeaux CH CL 32/16/16/8 Belludal
09/05/2011 Zagreb CH CL 32/16/16/8 abollo
09/05/2011 Busan CH H 32/16/16/8 keqtqiadv

l_mac
04-22-2011, 05:29 PM
I only have 4 qualifiers for Sarasota. Should I play one round qualies lasting all weekend?

scoobs
04-22-2011, 05:34 PM
I only have 4 qualifiers for Sarasota. Should I play one round qualies lasting all weekend?
4 qualifiers and how many slots?

l_mac
04-22-2011, 05:44 PM
4 qualifiers and how many slots?

Well, I had 6 qualifiers. But because the 2nd deadline has passed, I moved 2 to MD. So now I have 2 slots in MD and 4 qualifiers.

ibreak4coffee
04-22-2011, 05:51 PM
I only have 4 qualifiers for Sarasota. Should I play one round qualies lasting all weekend?

I would just start qualies on Sunday - 1 day round for the two spots

scoobs
04-22-2011, 05:53 PM
i'd do one round on one day, probably sunday, less unknown players to pick from. but that's me. I think it's manager's choice.

Belludal
04-22-2011, 09:18 PM
On Savannah CH the player Brentim25 put In and after this put OUT and now put In again.

Can i put he on list like LE or isn't?

l_mac
04-22-2011, 11:50 PM
On Savannah CH the player Brentim25 put In and after this put OUT and now put In again.

Can i put he on list like LE or isn't?
I think he might have to be an alt, but not sure.

I would just start qualies on Sunday - 1 day round for the two spots

i'd do one round on one day, probably sunday, less unknown players to pick from. but that's me. I think it's manager's choice.

OK thanks. That's what I said I would do.

A couple of other posters have commited to the tournament (after 2nd deadline) - I've said on the thread that they will have to be alts because I didn't extend the deadline for singles. That was the correct thing to do, right?

Goldenoldie
04-22-2011, 11:55 PM
On Savannah CH the player Brentim25 put In and after this put OUT and now put In again.

Can i put he on list like LE or isn't?

Only one change is allowed, so the player has to stay with the second tournament he committed to

Goldenoldie
04-22-2011, 11:56 PM
A couple of other posters have commited to the tournament (after 2nd deadline) - I've said on the thread that they will have to be alts because I didn't extend the deadline for singles. That was the correct thing to do, right?

Correct, they can only be alts.

sdtoot
04-23-2011, 11:22 AM
Do Singles Alts get placed in seeded order or the order in which they committed after the second deadline?

orangehat
04-23-2011, 11:25 AM
if they committed before the deadline then by rank. after the deadline, by committing order.

Labamba
04-23-2011, 03:26 PM
^ :yeah:

l_mac
04-23-2011, 03:31 PM
^ :yeah:

I didn't know that rule, but I have changed the order of the alts for Sarasota accordingly.

One player (vmbf) commited another (karo_em) on the thread. I have put karo_em to the bottom of the alts list - is that OK. I have to say I'm not a fan of players being able to commit for each other. It's just about tolerable for doubles, but in the off season I'll argue against it for singles.

Capriati Rules
04-23-2011, 06:55 PM
There is a problem in the Estoril doubles draw...In the Zone and I were left out as a result of the manager think both players need to commit...but I'm still in the singles draw...can we please get this addressed and resolved? Thanks :wavey:

Belludal
04-23-2011, 07:08 PM
There is a problem in the Estoril doubles draw...In the Zone and I were left out as a result of the manager think both players need to commit...but I'm still in the singles draw...can we please get this addressed and resolved? Thanks :wavey:

I think that the best opition in this case is put your double on main draw replacing the last double to get enter directly that is mcarvalho/Wojtek.

After this it will be best put mcarvalho/Wojtek on qualy and will have 5 doubles on final qualy round because 4 doubles won today the first round.

With this i think that is best put mcarvalho/Wojtek and the another 4 doubles to pick and the 2 best doubles on correct picks will get place on Main Draw Doubles.

dinkulpus
04-23-2011, 07:18 PM
Firstly I want to apologies about this situation, but Caprati Rules wrote " In singles, doubles with In the zone". Also he/she didn't tell anything when I updated a few times entry list :o. But I'm waiting for board decision :wavey:

Taz Warrior
04-23-2011, 09:40 PM
It's an unfortunate situation but as the entry list was updated regularly and the players had the opportunity to point out the mistake before qualifying started the precedent set in the past is that Capriati_Rules/InTheZone should be the 1st LLs for the main draw.

dinkulpus
04-23-2011, 09:43 PM
It's an unfortunate situation but as the entry list was updated regularly and the players had the opportunity to point out the mistake before qualifying started the precedent set in the past is that Capriati_Rules/InTheZone should be the 1st LLs for the main draw.

Thanks Gavnich, I will announce in the topic and one more time my apologies for this situation :wavey:

Capriati Rules
04-23-2011, 10:00 PM
It's an unfortunate situation but as the entry list was updated regularly and the players had the opportunity to point out the mistake before qualifying started the precedent set in the past is that Capriati_Rules/InTheZone should be the 1st LLs for the main draw.

For the record I did point this out last night before qualification had started and before the matches had been played but the manager maintained there was no error until another person backed up my opinion. There was plenty of time to correct this and I think its unfortunate that we have to rely on being LLs when we have finalist points to defend.

dinkulpus
04-23-2011, 10:07 PM
For the record I did point this out last night before qualification had started and before the matches had been played but the manager maintained there was no error until another person backed up my opinion. There was plenty of time to correct this and I think its unfortunate that we have to rely on being LLs when we have finalist points to defend.

That was after I posted OOP and draws, I realise my mistake, but you had 9 days to look the entry list, I updated the list almost everyday

Capriati Rules
04-23-2011, 11:24 PM
That was after I posted OOP and draws, I realise my mistake, but you had 9 days to look the entry list, I updated the list almost everyday

I noticed it when you made the draw because that's the first time I looked at this thread after I committed...you could have pmed the players involved before the start of play notifying them of the mistake. Instead you proceeded to tell me I was wrong and didn't admit you were wrong until after play had begun and another poster stated the correct rule to you and if you hadn't made a mistake in the beginning this would have been avoided. Its not my job to make sure you are doing your job correctly and check the entry lists everyday especially when my name was clearly in the singles entry list. You also pointed out to other players whose partners never committed asking if they were going to play doubles. Anyways I respect the boards decision on the matter I am just disappointed. Good luck on the rest of the tournament.

mcarvalho
04-23-2011, 11:54 PM
I think that the best opition in this case is put your double on main draw replacing the last double to get enter directly that is mcarvalho/Wojtek.

After this it will be best put mcarvalho/Wojtek on qualy and will have 5 doubles on final qualy round because 4 doubles won today the first round.

With this i think that is best put mcarvalho/Wojtek and the another 4 doubles to pick and the 2 best doubles on correct picks will get place on Main Draw Doubles.

:haha:

orangehat
04-24-2011, 04:32 AM
i was wondering, if players are banned after committing in a tournament (and you know they cannot possibly send picks via mtf), should they be removed from the EL or simply be left on the list (leaving 1 automatic LL) instead.

also, should banned players be allowed to send picks via email?

Goldenoldie
04-24-2011, 06:40 AM
i was wondering, if players are banned after committing in a tournament (and you know they cannot possibly send picks via mtf), should they be removed from the EL or simply be left on the list (leaving 1 automatic LL) instead.

also, should banned players be allowed to send picks via email?

If a manager is aware that a player is banned he should remove him, but he must be alert to the possibility of the ban being removed or reduced.
He is not, however, obliged to check through the list of banned players so if he does not know it, then there will be a LL.

A banned player should NOT be allowed to send picks by email. The player is not allowed to play TT.

dinkulpus
04-24-2011, 10:22 AM
One player sent a pick.

Nadal 3:6 4:6 6:3

I sent to him a PM to correct a pick, if he won't do it, can I accept this pick?

Belludal
04-24-2011, 12:05 PM
:haha:

Crazy Opition :cool::clap2::bigclap::bounce::haha::silly::spit:

orangehat
04-24-2011, 12:36 PM
One player sent a pick.

Nadal 3:6 4:6 6:3

I sent to him a PM to correct a pick, if he won't do it, can I accept this pick?

Nadal is playing in Estoril? :eek::eek::eek:

i would personally take it as nadal 2-1 (disregarding pts) but i dont know about others.

l_mac
04-24-2011, 01:06 PM
i would personally take it as nadal 2-1 (disregarding pts) but i dont know about others.

That's what I would do too.

dinkulpus
04-24-2011, 01:48 PM
Nadal is playing in Estoril? :eek::eek::eek:

i would personally take it as nadal 2-1 (disregarding pts) but i dont know about others.

Nadal was just an example :p
The problem is resolved, because send me a new PM with corrections :wavey:

l_mac
04-25-2011, 03:12 PM
I've got 3 no sends in Sarasota. I'll give a LL spot to the player who lost in qualies yesterday and sent picks today. I've got 2 spots left. I want to give them to vmbf and Snoo Foo as they were on the alts list and sent picks today. Is that okay? karo_em was also on the alt list, but didn't commit to the tournament. vmbf commited him/her. This commitment came before Snoo Foo's, but I assumed that Snoo Foo should be ranked before karo on the lat list because she actually commited to the tournament herself.

Who should get the spot? Snoo or karo_em?

Belludal
04-25-2011, 03:20 PM
I've got 3 no sends in Sarasota. I'll give a LL spot to the player who lost in qualies yesterday and sent picks today. I've got 2 spots left. I want to give them to vmbf and Snoo Foo as they were on the alts list and sent picks today. Is that okay? karo_em was also on the alt list, but didn't commit to the tournament. vmbf commited him/her. This commitment came before Snoo Foo's, but I assumed that Snoo Foo should be ranked before karo on the lat list because she actually commited to the tournament herself.

Who should get the spot? Snoo or karo_em?

vmbf and karo.

Because when the final deadline passed out is the alternates order is the order of commitment after the final deadline.

vmbf make a commit of karo and your commit with this. vmbf and karo commited before Snoo Foo.

In this case the spots are to vmbf and Karo.

Goldenoldie
04-25-2011, 05:51 PM
vmbf and karo.

Because when the final deadline passed out is the alternates order is the order of commitment after the final deadline.

vmbf make a commit of karo and your commit with this. vmbf and karo commited before Snoo Foo.

In this case the spots are to vmbf and Karo.

I agree with Belludal. It is in accordance with the current rules for one player to be able to commit another, so that commitment is valid and precedes the one by Snoo Foo.

Whether this rule should be looked at in the off-season is another matter.

ibreak4coffee
04-25-2011, 05:51 PM
I agree with Belludal. It is in accordance with the current rules for one player to be able to commit another, so that commitment is valid and precedes the one by Snoo Foo.

Whether this rule should be looked at in the off-season is another matter.

It should. There is no explanation for it. It takes 10 seconds to commit.

Technically under the current rules there is nothing prohibiting me from committing for 20 different players.

<Eve>
04-25-2011, 06:52 PM
i remember same thing happened in Rabat CH. vmbf always commits for karo_em in singles, karo never commits herself. back then, i also had to put in karo as she was committed by vmbf.

l_mac
04-26-2011, 12:37 AM
OMG American Challengers :mad: :mad:

I'm going to bed now, no OOP released for tomorrow and no results from half of today's matches :retard: Probably it will be updated the minute I log off.

Could someone post the OOP if it gets released? If not I'll do it when I get up in 5 hours.

savesthedizzle
04-26-2011, 12:52 AM
It should. There is no explanation for it. It takes 10 seconds to commit.

Technically under the current rules there is nothing prohibiting me from committing for 20 different players.

The reasoning for the rule as it is now is for committing a doubles partner when you are waiting to see where you can make main draw cuts into... sometimes managers don't keep their lists updated and sometimes it comes down to the wire knowing where you and your partner can get in directly and when that happens it may be at a time where they cannot be on a computer to commit themselves.

Or if your regular doubles partner is on vacation and unable to commit themselves for the week when they return :shrug:

There are legit reasons for this rule as long as its not being abused :shrug:

scoobs
04-26-2011, 07:12 AM
How many SE spots do I need to leave in Rome? :wavey:

l_mac
04-26-2011, 07:28 AM
^ I think it's just 1 for MS events.

scoobs
04-26-2011, 07:40 AM
Yeah, I found it in the FAQ - thanks :)

-Evita-
04-26-2011, 07:49 AM
It should. There is no explanation for it. It takes 10 seconds to commit.

Technically under the current rules there is nothing prohibiting me from committing for 20 different players.

I like it that players in our TT community are responsible enough and don't abuse this rule :) Like Jess said, there are reasons for it so I'm in favor of not changing it. Don't fix what's not broken.

Goldenoldie
04-26-2011, 08:01 AM
I like it that players in our TT community are responsible enough and don't abuse this rule :) Like Jess said, there are reasons for it so I'm in favor of not changing it. Don't fix what's not broken.

Perhaps a simple amendment stating that one can commit one's doubles partner for singles would satisfy all parties?
Alternatively a limit on the number one player can commit?

ibreak4coffee
04-26-2011, 02:05 PM
The reasoning for the rule as it is now is for committing a doubles partner when you are waiting to see where you can make main draw cuts into... sometimes managers don't keep their lists updated and sometimes it comes down to the wire knowing where you and your partner can get in directly and when that happens it may be at a time where they cannot be on a computer to commit themselves.

Or if your regular doubles partner is on vacation and unable to commit themselves for the week when they return :shrug:

There are legit reasons for this rule as long as its not being abused :shrug:

I like it that players in our TT community are responsible enough and don't abuse this rule :) Like Jess said, there are reasons for it so I'm in favor of not changing it. Don't fix what's not broken.

Its only a matter of time before this happens. And there are a lot of new managers starting out who are unaware of the rule as it stands. It doesn't need to be changed, but I don't see the harm in a clarification of the current rule like Goldenoldie suggested

savesthedizzle
04-26-2011, 02:59 PM
Perhaps a simple amendment stating that one can commit one's doubles partner for singles would satisfy all parties?
Alternatively a limit on the number one player can commit?

That would be fine with me :)

Thunderfish8
04-27-2011, 10:46 AM
I'm a pretty new player to TT, won my first doubles match yesterday, I was just wondering:

If Roland Garros qualifying is during week 19, am I also allowed to play in a challenger that week??? I've been told that this is an "exception" to the one tournament a week rule, but I just want to make sure.

Taz Warrior
04-27-2011, 10:59 AM
I'm a pretty new player to TT, won my first doubles match yesterday, I was just wondering:

If Roland Garros qualifying is during week 19, am I also allowed to play in a challenger that week??? I've been told that this is an "exception" to the one tournament a week rule, but I just want to make sure.

Yes you can :)

Goldenoldie
04-27-2011, 11:04 AM
I'm a pretty new player to TT, won my first doubles match yesterday, I was just wondering:

If Roland Garros qualifying is during week 19, am I also allowed to play in a challenger that week??? I've been told that this is an "exception" to the one tournament a week rule, but I just want to make sure.

According to my calculations RG qualifying is week 20, not 19, but the answer is still the same

Labamba
04-27-2011, 01:35 PM
this week


Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

16/05/2011 WTC Düsseldorf CL 8 teams Belludal
16/05/2011 Nice CL 32/32/16/16 Boarder35m
16/05/2011 Fergana CH H 32/32/16/16 mmarto193
16/05/2011 Cremona CH H 32/32/16/16 Goldenoldie


Somebody for Düsseldorf? :wavey:

-Evita-
04-28-2011, 12:26 PM
I will need an assistant manager for Madrid because I'm playing there. Just to receive my picks and be online when play starts. Any volunteers? :wavey:

scoobs
04-28-2011, 12:35 PM
I can do it, except possibly next Thursday when I might need to leave early.

-Evita-
04-28-2011, 01:23 PM
I can do it, except possibly next Thursday when I might need to leave early.

Excellent :yeah:

Labamba
04-28-2011, 01:43 PM
Anyone for Düsseldorf? :awww:

dinkulpus
04-28-2011, 01:43 PM
I'll manage Fergana, just to ask, can player play both in Fergana and WTC :rolleyes:

Labamba
04-28-2011, 01:49 PM
I'll manage Fergana, just to ask, can player play both in Fergana and WTC :rolleyes:

no, WTC gives ranking points like Nice

Taz Warrior
04-28-2011, 01:54 PM
I'll manage Fergana, just to ask, can player play both in Fergana and WTC :rolleyes:

No

dinkulpus
04-28-2011, 01:57 PM
Ville and Gav, thank for your fast answers :bowdown:
I'll write in the topic, that players can play Fergana and RG qualification, because I'm sure that everybody will ask this :wavey:

l_mac
04-28-2011, 03:51 PM
Evita, I can accept your picks next Thursday if needed.

-Evita-
04-28-2011, 03:57 PM
Evita, I can accept your picks next Thursday if needed.

Thanks! I was all prepared to lose on purpose before Thursday but now I won't have to do that :D

l_mac
04-28-2011, 04:24 PM
Thanks! I was all prepared to lose on purpose before Thursday but now I won't have to do that :D

:lol:

kingroger
04-28-2011, 06:04 PM
Just a question:
Can I play Nice/Dusseldorf as well as French Open Q in the same week?

-Evita-
04-28-2011, 06:14 PM
Just a question:
Can I play Nice/Dusseldorf as well as French Open Q in the same week?

Yes.

scoobs
04-28-2011, 06:15 PM
Just a question:
Can I play Nice/Dusseldorf as well as French Open Q in the same week?
one of Nice or Dusseldorf, yes.

dinkulpus
04-28-2011, 07:41 PM
Ville, when the new tournament will be available ?

Labamba
04-28-2011, 08:14 PM
^about two weeks time

Belludal
04-28-2011, 09:38 PM
I would like to be manager of Dusseldorf but i don't know the rules of this tournament. :confused:

dinkulpus
04-28-2011, 09:51 PM
I would like to be manager of Dusseldorf but i don't know the rules of this tournament. :confused:

Go in archive and see the topics from past year, there are 2 group stage and the winner of groups play final :wavey:

Belludal
04-28-2011, 10:18 PM
I can be the manager of Dusseldorf.

I will do the topic when Ville confirm that i will be the manager.

Labamba
04-28-2011, 10:46 PM
I can be the manager of Dusseldorf.

I will do the topic when Ville confirm that i will be the manager.

thanks :yeah:

Belludal
04-28-2011, 11:16 PM
Only some questions:

1) If i commit for Dusseldorf but the captain from the country that i would play talk that i don't have place on the team can i enter on a Challenger on the same week without a LE Place?

2) How I will organize the line-up (order of players, who plays singles and/or doubles)?

3) If a captain of a team don't want to play Dusseldorf can he talk the name of the new captain of the team or the new captain will be the second best player on singles ranking?

4) Are there deadlines that i need to respect or can i decide the deadlines for the captains talk the players of team?

Machiavelli
04-29-2011, 09:39 AM
can we have proper info about banned players still in the Entry lists for tournaments???
The thing with bans is that they can be removed at any time and I can't predict that. So he will stay on the entry list and if he doesn't send picks on Monday then a LL will take his place.


It is said and certain 100% when he can return from beeing banned, in this case 4th of May, why would a LL get the spot, and not the first player under the line, in this case it would be me :mad:

-Evita-
04-29-2011, 10:45 AM
I just checked the Banned users thread and I saw JMG's name there so that's official enough for me to remove him from the entry list. If his name hadn't been there I probably would leave him in the list.

Taz Warrior
04-29-2011, 11:07 AM
Only some questions:

1) If i commit for Dusseldorf but the captain from the country that i would play talk that i don't have place on the team can i enter on a Challenger on the same week without a LE Place?

2) How I will organize the line-up (order of players, who plays singles and/or doubles)?

3) If a captain of a team don't want to play Dusseldorf can he talk the name of the new captain of the team or the new captain will be the second best player on singles ranking?

4) Are there deadlines that i need to respect or can i decide the deadlines for the captains talk the players of team?

You should set the deadline for picking the teams as Saturday 7th May so that anyone who isn't in their country's team can commit to another tournament before the first deadline so that they aren't LEs.

Labamba
04-29-2011, 12:09 PM
I just checked the Banned users thread and I saw JMG's name there so that's official enough for me to remove him from the entry list. If his name hadn't been there I probably would leave him in the list.

good call :yeah:

Belludal
04-29-2011, 12:13 PM
You should set the deadline for picking the teams as Saturday 7th May so that anyone who isn't in their country's team can commit to another tournament before the first deadline so that they aren't LEs.

Thanks.

Yesterday i sent PM for the captains and i put the deadline for 6 May but i will increase one day more of time to commit the team.

Goldenoldie
04-30-2011, 09:30 AM
If any board member is available, please have a look at the last page of the Rome 2 CH thread. Thanks

Belludal
04-30-2011, 11:35 AM
I sent a PM to the Brazilian Captain of Dusseldorf Tytta! to make a Brazil Team on Dusseldorf and she talked that she will not play and Keqtqiadv will not play either.

For the captain of Brazil i need to sent a PM talking this chance to Elirj70 to be the captain of the brazilian team or can i assume like Brazilian Captain?

keqtqiadv
05-01-2011, 02:26 PM
I sent a PM to the Brazilian Captain of Dusseldorf Tytta! to make a Brazil Team on Dusseldorf and she talked that she will not play and Keqtqiadv will not play either.

For the captain of Brazil i need to sent a PM talking this chance to Elirj70 to be the captain of the brazilian team or can i assume like Brazilian Captain?
I'd ask the next Brazilian player before taking over the team :p

-Evita-
05-01-2011, 06:30 PM
So, no volunteers for RG doubles? That's fine, actually I was thinking it's more efficient if a single person manages both singles and doubles because there's really not much difference if you paste the picks into one spreadsheet or two spreadsheets. But I was thinking I'd like to divide work differently - one manager makes the entry lists and all the draws and the other manager (me) receives picks once the tournament has started. What do you think?

ibreak4coffee
05-01-2011, 06:35 PM
So, no volunteers for RG doubles? That's fine, actually I was thinking it's more efficient if a single person manages both singles and doubles because there's really not much difference if you paste the picks into one spreadsheet or two spreadsheets. But I was thinking I'd like to divide work differently - one manager makes the entry lists and all the draws and the other manager (me) receives picks once the tournament has started. What do you think?

That's not a bad idea. I could definitely help with the draws and entry lists - but not any management during the tournament so would work perfectly.

Labamba
05-01-2011, 08:27 PM
So, no volunteers for RG doubles? That's fine, actually I was thinking it's more efficient if a single person manages both singles and doubles because there's really not much difference if you paste the picks into one spreadsheet or two spreadsheets. But I was thinking I'd like to divide work differently - one manager makes the entry lists and all the draws and the other manager (me) receives picks once the tournament has started. What do you think?

sounds good to me :)

scoobs
05-01-2011, 08:29 PM
That's not a bad idea. I could definitely help with the draws and entry lists - but not any management during the tournament so would work perfectly.
Ditto - I can help out with the setup but as I'm going to Paris this year I didn't want to attempt to run the tournament myself, or I would have volunteered.

-Evita-
05-01-2011, 08:32 PM
Okay :) So ibreak4coffee, will you do it? I mean not just help out but be responsible for the lists and send me the draws in a compatible format for my spreadsheet?

ibreak4coffee
05-01-2011, 08:35 PM
Okay :) So ibreak4coffee, will you do it? I mean not just help out but be responsible for the lists and send me the draws in a compatible format for my spreadsheet?

I can definitely do it. All tournaments I manage are with your spreadsheet so I know the drill :wavey:

I have a lot of downtime over the next couple of weeks too so no issues with regular updating.

scoobs
05-01-2011, 08:36 PM
Cool - let me know if you need a hand, checking the lists and stuff - I know with a big entry like a slam, an extra pair of eyes can be handy.

ibreak4coffee
05-01-2011, 08:44 PM
Cool - let me know if you need a hand, checking the lists and stuff - I know with a big entry like a slam, an extra pair of eyes can be handy.

Thanks...

dinkulpus
05-01-2011, 08:54 PM
I can take doubles for Rolland Garros :wavey:, just the only problem is not to post diffs on time for 25th May (can send to PM to you one hour before that or to post it one hour later), because I have exam, but for other days I can do it everything on time :wavey:

-Evita- can I co-manage with you :D

dinkulpus
05-01-2011, 09:18 PM
I'm waiting for your answer :angel:

-Evita-
05-01-2011, 09:31 PM
Well, that is great :yeah: If Labamba or anyone else doesn't object then you can definitely take RG doubles :yeah: But I confess I still would like ibreak4coffee to do at least the singles entry list and draw, just so I don't have to :lol: We can be 3 managers :D

dinkulpus
05-01-2011, 09:33 PM
It's sounds great that you agree, now wait for board answer, just for information when the topic should be open :rolleyes:

-Evita-
05-01-2011, 09:44 PM
We'll open it on Tuesday around 5-6 CET if you can be online at that time. If not then a couple hours later.

dinkulpus
05-01-2011, 09:47 PM
We'll open it on Tuesday around 5-6 CET if you can be online at that time. If not then a couple hours later.

Perfect time for me :wavey::wavey:
I'll be at home that time waiting for Barcelona - Real Madrid :wavey:

ibreak4coffee
05-01-2011, 10:41 PM
Well, that is great :yeah: If Labamba or anyone else doesn't object then you can definitely take RG doubles :yeah: But I confess I still would like ibreak4coffee to do at least the singles entry list and draw, just so I don't have to :lol: We can be 3 managers :D

No problem at all. This makes my life easier too.

mmarto if you need help with the doubles list or draw just let me know - exams are important :D

Labamba
05-02-2011, 08:00 AM
ok for me guys :yeah:

trucul
05-03-2011, 03:39 PM
Sorry to ask you this question but could you please clarify / confirm how many points are granted for WTC Dusseldorf ?

Thanks !

Taz Warrior
05-03-2011, 03:49 PM
Sorry to ask you this question but could you please clarify / confirm how many points are granted for WTC Dusseldorf ?

Thanks !

Singles
1st R: +25
2nd R: +25
3rd R: +25
*Finals: +75
**Bonus Points: +50

The same for doubles...

* Player who only play the finals will be awarded points from the previous round

** Players must win all 4 matches and be part of the winning team in order to earn the Bonus Points

trucul
05-03-2011, 06:07 PM
Singles
1st R: +25
2nd R: +25
3rd R: +25
*Finals: +75
**Bonus Points: +50

The same for doubles...

* Player who only play the finals will be awarded points from the previous round

** Players must win all 4 matches and be part of the winning team in order to earn the Bonus Points


Thanks ! ;)

Hotzenplotz
05-03-2011, 09:05 PM
Singles
1st R: +25
2nd R: +25
3rd R: +25
*Finals: +75
**Bonus Points: +50

The same for doubles...

* Player who only play the finals will be awarded points from the previous round

** Players must win all 4 matches and be part of the winning team in order to earn the Bonus Points

just to clarify: if a player plays and wins all doubles matches (and is part of the winning team) but he plays with changing doubles partners, e.g. the same partner in the group matches and a different one in the final, is he eligible for the final's 75 points (and the bonus points)?

Taz Warrior
05-03-2011, 09:07 PM
just to clarify: if a player plays and wins all doubles matches (and is part of the winning team) but he plays with changing doubles partners, e.g. the same partner in the group matches and a different one in the final, is he eligible for the final's 75 points (and the bonus points)?

yes

Belludal
05-04-2011, 03:53 AM
What is the correct name of J-M-Del-Potro?

I need the correct nick to sent the message of the invite of Dusseldorf Captain because France don't will play Dusseldorf.

Boarder35m
05-04-2011, 05:53 AM
What is the correct name of J-M-Del-Potro?

I need the correct nick to sent the message of the invite of Dusseldorf Captain because France don't will play Dusseldorf.

It´s JM-Del-Potro :p

Labamba
05-04-2011, 08:42 AM
this week :D


Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

23/05/2011 Roland Garros S CL 128/128 -Evita-
23/05/2011 Roland Garros D CL 64/64 mmarto193
23/05/2011 Alessandria CH CL 32/16/16/8 abollo

Yves.
05-04-2011, 09:32 AM
Just to be sure, you can play RG qualies and still play a challenger that week right?

Eddy DoubleD
05-04-2011, 09:35 AM
Just to be sure, you can play RG qualies and still play a challenger that week right?

Yes:)

Taz Warrior
05-04-2011, 09:35 AM
Just to be sure, you can play RG qualies and still play a challenger that week right?

Yes

Yves.
05-04-2011, 10:03 AM
Yes

Thanks for the quick answer!

abollo
05-04-2011, 05:48 PM
So now for Alessandria CH players can't commit if they're in Roland Garros MD, right?

Taz Warrior
05-04-2011, 06:52 PM
So now for Alessandria CH players can't commit if they're in Roland Garros MD, right?

yes, but they can commit now to RG qualies and Alessandria and if they qualify they withdraw from Alessandria (just like Challengers during the 2nd week of slams)

dinkulpus
05-04-2011, 09:40 PM
yes, but they can commit now to RG qualies and Alessandria and if they qualify they withdraw from Alessandria (just like Challengers during the 2nd week of slams)

Also I remember that if there are lucky loser, they should choose to send pick for Roland Garros or to stay in the CH, if they send picks for RG and not enter in main draw, they can't play in Alessandria, right?

Taz Warrior
05-04-2011, 09:53 PM
Also I remember that if there are lucky loser, they should choose to send pick for Roland Garros or to stay in the CH, if they send picks for RG and not enter in main draw, they can't play in Alessandria, right?

Yes that's right

Goldenoldie
05-04-2011, 10:15 PM
Please, please, Ville, don't include Rome 2 Challenger in the 2012 calendar. It's a nightmare - I'd rather toss a coin to decide winners than rely on them to post their results.

scoobs
05-05-2011, 07:04 PM
Can someone clarify what I do with this poster?

It's dannyrafter

Nilton, my doubt is follow:

I commited in Busan, after out there, I went to Rome, but "out" again,

Can Commit here?

He has apparently entered Busan, then out, entered Rome, then out, tried to enter Bordeaux and was told he couldn't change plans twice, so now wants to re-enter Rome.

Where does this leave him?

l_mac
05-05-2011, 07:17 PM
As an alt I would imagine.

Boarder35m
05-05-2011, 07:59 PM
In my opinion he can´t re-enter because his former withdrawal is not valid. So technically he should be an ALT for Rome. :p

Goldenoldie
05-05-2011, 08:02 PM
I would say he is in Limbo - when he withdrew from Rome he was effectively saying he would not play anywhere.

That is the strict interpretation, but he is very new, so if Rome manager allowed him to stay there (as an Alt as Linda suggests) I would not object. Certainly he could not play anywhere else.

scoobs
05-05-2011, 08:11 PM
He can play as alt for me but there's a huge alt list for singles and currently he has no doubles partner so it may not make much difference in the end, either way.

-Evita-
05-05-2011, 09:10 PM
Please someone post the OOP for Madrid when it becomes available, I'm going to bed :awww:

l_mac
05-05-2011, 09:11 PM
Please someone post the OOP for Madrid when it becomes available, I'm going to bed :awww:

I'll do it Evita :hug:

-Evita-
05-06-2011, 07:09 AM
Thank you :) I was really exhausted yesterday, slept for more than 9 hours tonight :eek:

Belludal
05-07-2011, 02:44 AM
I am with problems on Bordeaux.

Deadline is much early for me.

I am from Brazil and the deadline of Saturday is on 4:30 AM! No problems with post the diffs in time on Saturday and Sunday but is impossible do this on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday because i have to go for University at night on my Hour on Brazil and i came back 11:30 PM to sleep on my house.

To do the diffs i will need at least wake up one hour before the deadline with this i would sleep only 11:30 until 3:30.

Only 4 hours of sleep to i try sleep more 3 hours to 7:30 i wake up again to Tennis Classes or another things that i made on 8:00.

For me is very hard and if possible i would like one manager help me with the picks on Week Days (Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday).

If is impossible i will try make a miracle to post the diffs and results.

scoobs
05-07-2011, 02:25 PM
I have a problem in Rome 1000.

Allez-Alejo committed himself for singles and him and Tzar for doubles.

I missed the doubles commitment so they didn't make it into the qualifying draw, where they would have been placed due to ranking, and nobody noticed the problem until now.

Allez-Alejo did send, but didn't send to his doubles partner, and Tzar hasn't been on the site since Wednesday, and didn't send at all.

What's the solution please?

-Evita-
05-07-2011, 02:49 PM
scoobs, you could have put them in the qualy draw as alts if they had both sent picks (because there was a place for an alt team I think). But if Tzar didn't send picks then there's nothing you can do. In fact, maybe you should replace my team with their team anyway, it won't matter either way.

Belludal
05-07-2011, 05:20 PM
1) If possible can anyone answer my question that is before the last post of scoobs.

2) On Savannah one player sent the picks to the wrong member.

I talked with Ilovetheblues_86 to sent the OOP of Saturday and was to sent the picks to Belludal (me) but Fat Camel sent the picks to Ilovetheblues_86.

What i need to do? Accept the picks of Fat Camel? Don't accept the picks of Fat Camel? Or i like manager that i will decide if accept or not?

-Evita-
05-07-2011, 05:26 PM
1) If possible can anyone answer my question that is before the last post of scoobs.

You don't have an obligation to post differences exactly at the deadline. I hope someone offers to help you out, but if not, you can just get up at 7 or whenever and post the differences then. If you explain to players that it's the middle of the night for you they will understand :) In the future, though, you should try to pick tournaments in a different timezone to manage.

2) On Savannah one player sent the picks to the wrong member.

I talked with Ilovetheblues_86 to sent the OOP of Saturday and was to sent the picks to Belludal (me) but Fat Camel sent the picks to Ilovetheblues_86.

What i need to do? Accept the picks of Fat Camel? Don't accept the picks of Fat Camel? Or i like manager that i will decide if accept or not?

You can't accept the picks. It has happened more than once in the past and the rule is always like this - the picks are not accepted. They must be sent directly to you.

orangehat
05-08-2011, 02:09 AM
I usually still accept picks because I constantly cannot post the OoP, provided the picks were sent before the deadline :shrug:

i dont think it's a big deal as long as iltb forwards the picks to you.

Belludal
05-08-2011, 03:14 AM
Another question:

If a rain put the matches for another day and in a possible case:

OOP Sunday (Final of tournament for example)

Bellucci x Nadal SR1 PTS
Bellucci x Federer SR1 PTS
Nadal x Djokovic SR1 PTS
Federer x Djokovic SR1 PTS

If one player sent like picks: Bellucci 2-0.

I will understand that this player pick Bellucci 2-0 if he play with Nadal or Federer and i will understand that if Bellucci lose this player will have a No Pick? Or am i incorrect?

orangehat
05-08-2011, 04:50 AM
Yes :)

-Evita-
05-08-2011, 08:05 AM
I usually still accept picks because I constantly cannot post the OoP, provided the picks were sent before the deadline :shrug:

i dont think it's a big deal as long as iltb forwards the picks to you.

Yeah but imagine if the same situation happens in another tournament and that manager doesn't accept the picks sent to the incorrect person? The player who did it would be confused and possibly angry. I think you should designate the player who posts the OOP for you as your assistant manager so you would be allowed to accept picks sent to him/her. Otherwise you're ignoring the rules.

scoobs
05-08-2011, 03:55 PM
I have a problem in Rome 1000.

Allez-Alejo committed himself for singles and him and Tzar for doubles.

I missed the doubles commitment so they didn't make it into the qualifying draw, where they would have been placed due to ranking, and nobody noticed the problem until now.

Allez-Alejo did send, but didn't send to his doubles partner, and Tzar hasn't been on the site since Wednesday, and didn't send at all.

What's the solution please?
Has anyone from the board got any thoughts on this before the main draw starts tomorrow?

Taz Warrior
05-08-2011, 04:02 PM
Has anyone from the board got any thoughts on this before the main draw starts tomorrow?

The best you can do is make them LL1 for the MD.

keqtqiadv
05-08-2011, 04:08 PM
Has anyone from the board got any thoughts on this before the main draw starts tomorrow?
What Evita said. They could've been added to the qualy draw as alternates, but Tzar didn't send picks.
scoobs, you could have put them in the qualy draw as alts if they had both sent picks (because there was a place for an alt team I think). But if Tzar didn't send picks then there's nothing you can do. In fact, maybe you should replace my team with their team anyway, it won't matter either way.

Boarder35m
05-08-2011, 04:27 PM
I agree with Murilo and Evita.
If Tzar would have sent for quallies they would have entered. :)

scoobs
05-08-2011, 04:32 PM
The best you can do is make them LL1 for the MD.
I guess that's not really fair on the LLs from qualifying, though...

Taz Warrior
05-08-2011, 04:36 PM
I guess that's not really fair on the LLs from qualifying, though...

But then they've already had their chance of playing in Rome which AA/Tzar haven't - being a LL is a bonus.

scoobs
05-08-2011, 04:37 PM
But then they've already had their chance of playing in Madrid which AA/Tzar haven't - being a LL is a bonus.
If you all agree that's the fair thing to do, that's what I'll do then.

Boarder35m
05-08-2011, 05:15 PM
If you all agree that's the fair thing to do, that's what I'll do then.

I don´t agree with Gavin here.
Tzar did not send for quallies, so they should not get the chance as LL for main draw.

keqtqiadv
05-08-2011, 05:28 PM
I don´t agree with Gavin here.
Tzar did not send for quallies, so they should not get the chance as LL for main draw.
I agree with Alex.

scoobs
05-08-2011, 05:33 PM
I guess Allez-Alejo's point is that it was my mistake that meant that Tzar didn't send - he didn't see them in the qualifying draw - but he didn't check the doubles main draw entry, which is a shame, because there was an ALT spot available in the first round :(

Taz Warrior
05-08-2011, 06:08 PM
Well, it looks like we're 2-1 here. I guess we go with the majority decision unless Jim and/or Ville have a different view before the deadline.

Taz Warrior
05-08-2011, 06:13 PM
I have a problem in Rome 1000.

Allez-Alejo committed himself for singles and him and Tzar for doubles.

I missed the doubles commitment so they didn't make it into the qualifying draw, where they would have been placed due to ranking, and nobody noticed the problem until now.

Allez-Alejo did send, but didn't send to his doubles partner, and Tzar hasn't been on the site since Wednesday, and didn't send at all.

What's the solution please?

Actually, I've just re-read this and I was assuming that they would have got into the MD directly with their ranking not the QD :o therefore I now agree with Murilo & Alex.

That'll teach me to read things properly :smash:

Goldenoldie
05-08-2011, 06:14 PM
I think Tzar should have checked the main draw entry as well as the qualifying draw entry, I know I would have done.

So that makes it 3-1

Edit: 4-0

Belludal
05-08-2011, 09:40 PM
I want to advice that i can't be the manager on Rijeka CH because on this week i will be very busy with exams of university!

Sorry TT Board. :sad:

Allez-Alejo
05-09-2011, 02:21 AM
So...scoobs has informed me that, "there is nothing that can be done," about Tzar and my situation in Rome. He forgot to put us in the entry list. Apparently, we were in line to play qualies. I'm not disputing that fact, but we had not had to qualify for a tournament in at least a year, thus I just assumed me would be playing in the MD again. When I looked at the draw when I was checking my qualy difs for singles, I noticed we weren't included in the entry list. Since we were supposed to be in qualies, I was informed that since Tzar did not send, we were out of luck.

My qualm with this is that I don't feel it should be the player/team's responsibility to make sure they are included in the entry list. In some cases I check, but others, like this past week, I was busy and did not have time, as I knew I'd for sure be playing singles qualies anyway. I know there is no rational way we could be included now, but this is certainly a situation in which I feel wronged, in that I nor my partner did anything wrong. I clearly committed on time and my partner did not send for qualies because he had no idea we were in qualies. I only sent because I was in the singles qualy draw. This type of situation should be looked at...as a previous manager, I do not think it is beyond a manager's duty to make certain every team that committed is included within the entry lists.

Allez-Alejo
05-09-2011, 02:35 AM
Also, for those of you saying all players should always check the entry lists, and that, "you certainly would," please be mindful that people have busy lives and do not always remember to check a tournament a week in advance after they have committed. There are plenty of times I commit for a tournament a day or two after the thread comes out and do not go back to that page until the first day I have to send picks.

Lastly, Tzar wasn't active since Wednesday because we were out of Madrid early. He doesn't usually frequent this site other than for sending picks.

Tzar
05-09-2011, 02:49 AM
I think Tzar should have checked the main draw entry as well as the qualifying draw entry, I know I would have done.

So that makes it 3-1

Edit: 4-0

I actually did check the Draws and Entrylists and I told Tim on a PM "dude we didn´t commit to Rome WHATHEFUCK." assumign that it was OUR mistake, and that we couldn´t let that happen again.

I thought the manager did his job right, and it was OUR fault, which is why I didn´t send. I mean, why would I? I wasnt in the draw.

Good to know the manager fucked up, and we´re the ones screwed, again. So please I'd appreciate if all the board could reconsider. I can send u the PM cause I did check, it´s not like I was careless about it.

Tzar
05-09-2011, 02:51 AM
Also I´ve been in finals and travelling to south america which is why I was confused but it shouldn't matter that we did commit to the tournament. The best solution would be, be alts 1.

Also I have a PR and I could´ve used it to make it to the MD. But since we were never on the El i couldnt have known. I thought the manager was going to update later on, and he didnt-

Tzar
05-09-2011, 02:58 AM
Also this is a Masters 1000 event where we have points to defend so it´s not even fair that we dont get to that. You have to admit the manager FUCKED UP big time. I feel like everytime we got an issue going on, the board sides with the managers, and apply a rule that doesn't exist, to make it smoother for the manager to run the tournament, instead of actually solving the issue and having both parties content. It´s very dissapointing to see that they pretty much don't care. Why would you expect me to send for qualies, if I checked the draws, and the EL and I wasn't on them? We commited a long time ago, (actually tim did) cause I don´t play singles at all, so if I see the draws and El and im not in them, you assume you forgot to commit right? So you wouldn't send, which is why I feel like the argument is not valid.

scoobs
05-09-2011, 07:02 AM
Chris, I think LL order should be determined by shootout first, not PTS.
I thought so too but I checked the FAQ thread and it just says picks, SRs, PTS, doesn't mention shootout...


Can someone advise on this? The FAQ thread just says, on the subject of LL order - picks, SRs, PTS, doesn't mention shootout...

Goldenoldie
05-09-2011, 07:28 AM
I thought so too but I checked the FAQ thread and it just says picks, SRs, PTS, doesn't mention shootout...


Can someone advise on this? The FAQ thread just says, on the subject of LL order - picks, SRs, PTS, doesn't mention shootout...

I have always regarded Shootout as an "extension" of the SRs method of deciding tie=breaks, and therefore by implication used for deciding between LLs. This is what I have used, but I may have been wrong all this time! It needs a more senior board member who knows the history to comment.

-Evita-
05-09-2011, 07:52 AM
I have always regarded Shootout as an "extension" of the SRs method of deciding tie=breaks, and therefore by implication used for deciding between LLs. This is what I have used, but I may have been wrong all this time! It needs a more senior board member who knows the history to comment.

I have always done the same. I'm pretty sure "SRs" include both SR count and SR shootout.

dinkulpus
05-09-2011, 10:54 PM
In Fergana , Direnan commit before first deadline, then he wrote out, and now he commit again there, so I think he should be late entry :p. He was thinking that you can play Fergana or RG quali :wavey:

Goldenoldie
05-10-2011, 07:46 AM
Yes, provided he did not go anywhere else in between, he can re-commit to Fergana as LE.

rvugt
05-10-2011, 08:03 AM
:rolleye: sigh......

Also this is a Masters 1000 event where we have points to defend so it´s not even fair that we dont get to that. You have to admit the manager FUCKED UP big time. I feel like everytime we got an issue going on, the board sides with the managers, and apply a rule that doesn't exist, to make it smoother for the manager to run the tournament, instead of actually solving the issue and having both parties content. It´s very dissapointing to see that they pretty much don't care. Why would you expect me to send for qualies, if I checked the draws, and the EL and I wasn't on them? We commited a long time ago, (actually tim did) cause I don´t play singles at all, so if I see the draws and El and im not in them, you assume you forgot to commit right? So you wouldn't send, which is why I feel like the argument is not valid.

rvugt
05-10-2011, 08:07 AM
Also, for those of you saying all players should always check the entry lists, and that, "you certainly would," please be mindful that people have busy lives and do not always remember to check a tournament a week in advance after they have committed. There are plenty of times I commit for a tournament a day or two after the thread comes out and do not go back to that page until the first day I have to send picks.

Lastly, Tzar wasn't active since Wednesday because we were out of Madrid early. He doesn't usually frequent this site other than for sending picks.

But i do read in his next post that he send you a message, dude, we didn't commit to rome! And who did say something in the thread? So he did check before the tournament, which is good, but it cross out your point that he didn't check.

Belludal
05-10-2011, 12:48 PM
Question 1:

On Dusseldorf for example:

If Brazil Team have Belludal, ilovetheblues_86 and Elirj70.

Belludal is the captain and need to on your picks ask who will play singles and who will play doubles.

If Belludal don't ask who will play singles and who will play doubles on this day what the manager need to form matches?

Question 2:

Dusseldorf again => For example:

Brazil Team: Belludal and Elirj70
USA Team: Snoo Foo and Deboogle

On Singles match Belludal will play singles with Deboogle or with Snoo Foo? Elirj70 will play singles with Deboogle or with Snoo Foo? Is the best brazilian on ranking last year vs. second best american on ranking last year and second best brazilian on ranking last year vs. best american on ranking last year?

Tzar
05-10-2011, 06:14 PM
I checked after he posted this, but I had no clue of what had occured. I just checked the thread, the draws, assummed we hadnt committed (we usually commit first week of commitments) aand logged off. Then read this. I think we should atleast be able to keep our ranking points since its like frikin 150 pts.

abollo
05-11-2011, 02:48 PM
In Alessandria CH is there a first deadline and everyone who commits after it is LE or is it different than other tournaments because of RG?

Taz Warrior
05-11-2011, 04:48 PM
In Alessandria CH is there a first deadline and everyone who commits after it is LE or is it different than other tournaments because of RG?

It's the same as every other tournament with a 1st deadline and LEs thereafter.

Taz Warrior
05-11-2011, 09:09 PM
Question 1:

On Dusseldorf for example:

If Brazil Team have Belludal, ilovetheblues_86 and Elirj70.

Belludal is the captain and need to on your picks ask who will play singles and who will play doubles.

If Belludal don't ask who will play singles and who will play doubles on this day what the manager need to form matches?

Question 2:

Dusseldorf again => For example:

Brazil Team: Belludal and Elirj70
USA Team: Snoo Foo and Deboogle

On Singles match Belludal will play singles with Deboogle or with Snoo Foo? Elirj70 will play singles with Deboogle or with Snoo Foo? Is the best brazilian on ranking last year vs. second best american on ranking last year and second best brazilian on ranking last year vs. best american on ranking last year?

This is a good question, does anyone know how it works in the real tournament as I never really follow it. I had a look for the format online and couldn't find anything. Looking at last years matches, it seems that most of them had the 2 highest ranked players that were nominated play one another and the 2 lower ranked ones against each other, but there were a couple were there wasn't the case but maybe this was because of last minute substitutions :shrug:

Therefore, does anyone know how this works?

keqtqiadv
05-11-2011, 10:39 PM
4) Tie (match)

a) A tie consists of two (2) singles matches and one (1) doubles match.
b) TT OOP Doubles: no third set -> Match Tie-Break (10 point) at one (1) set all.
c) For each tie, the highest-positioned (hereafter , number one) singles players from each team shall compete against each other and the second-positioned (hereafter , number two) singles players from each team shall compete against each other . The order of positions in each team shall be based upon the TT Singles.
d) Upon the completion of the doubles match, the winner of the tie shall be the team that wins at least two (2) of the three (3) matches.And the last year's ranking is not used to determine the positions of the players.

ATP:
The order of positions in each team shall be based upon the South
African Airways ATP Rankings (singles) dated approximately six (6) days prior to
the start of the event.I think the usual entry ranking (two weeks before the tournament) is the best option for TT.

dinkulpus
05-12-2011, 10:19 AM
I'm making main draws after second deadline, but if there are players like late entries who can be seed if they pass qualification, should I wait and make draw after qualification finish or I can make it again after second deadline as always :wavey:

keqtqiadv
05-12-2011, 10:58 AM
It's your choice. :p

Belludal
05-12-2011, 01:24 PM
I am the captain of Brazil on Dusseldorf and the manager too.

I need one assistent manager for this tournament? Anyone wants help me?

Belludal
05-13-2011, 09:40 AM
Anyone can help me being the assistent manager???

ibreak4coffee
05-13-2011, 02:39 PM
Question about PR's and entry lists.

If two players have the same ranking but one of them has that ranking because they are using a PR, which player should I put first in the entry list?

Belludal
05-13-2011, 02:43 PM
Question about PR's and entry lists.

If two players have the same ranking but one of them has that ranking because they are using a PR, which player should I put first in the entry list?

You put first in the Entry List the player without PR.

dinkulpus
05-14-2011, 12:07 AM
I think it is time for opening the topic for week 21 in CH :wavey:

Belludal
05-14-2011, 12:12 AM
I think it is time for opening the topic for week 21 in CH :wavey:

mmarto193, can you be assistent manager on Dusseldorf?

dinkulpus
05-14-2011, 12:17 AM
mmarto193, can you be assistent manager on Dusseldorf?

Yes :wavey:

Belludal
05-14-2011, 12:32 AM
Yes :wavey:

:yeah:

Thanks :worship:

Now i have a assistent manager for Dusseldorf.

Dusseldorf will begin Sunday. Players of Croatia and Brazil will send picks for you on Sunday and Monday! :wavey:

Goldenoldie
05-14-2011, 01:03 AM
If nobody else can take Rijeka I don't mind doubling up, but I'm sure there is someone who can do it.

dinkulpus
05-14-2011, 10:08 AM
If nobody else can take Rijeka I don't mind doubling up, but I'm sure there is someone who can do it.

I can take Rijeka, I'll have holiday that week and I'll manager Roland Garros second week, so it won't be any problem to take it :wavey:

dinkulpus
05-14-2011, 12:27 PM
Now I realise that I will be on prom on 29th May and can be here around the final deadline in Friday, I can take Rijeka if only someone make the quali draws and post OOP for Saturday qualification :p

Belludal
05-14-2011, 09:18 PM
Dusseldorf Question:

The matches of Doubles count or not?

Doubles matches count only for doubles matches on TT and Singles matches count only for singles matches on TT or Doubles matches count for Singles and Doubles?

Taz Warrior
05-14-2011, 10:09 PM
Dusseldorf Question:

The matches of Doubles count or not?

Doubles matches count only for doubles matches on TT and Singles matches count only for singles matches on TT or Doubles matches count for Singles and Doubles?

WTC Singles matches count for TT singles matches and WTC Doubles matches count for TT doubles matches

dinkulpus
05-15-2011, 10:17 AM
Now I realise that I will be on prom on 29th May and can be here around the final deadline in Friday, I can take Rijeka if only someone make the quali draws and post OOP for Saturday qualification :p

ville, what is your decision, I can make an early second deadline around 3-4 pm, just someone want to post OOP on Friday, I'll make draws at 3-4 pm, because Friday is 2-day round for Roland Garros and shouldn't wait for results from them :wavey:

scoobs
05-15-2011, 08:29 PM
Can someone just check my PTS in the Rome TT thread, make sure I gave the right people the titles ;)

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=180876&page=31

Boarder35m
05-15-2011, 08:44 PM
Can someone just check my PTS in the Rome TT thread, make sure I gave the right people the titles ;)

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=180876&page=31

Everything is OK :yeah:

dinkulpus
05-16-2011, 09:15 PM
What happened with Rijeka and new tournaments, anyone know where is Ville, I hope everything is OK around him :wavey:

dinkulpus
05-17-2011, 09:19 AM
What happened with Rijeka and new tournaments, anyone know where is Ville, I hope everything is OK around him :wavey:

Any idea :rolleyes:

scoobs
05-17-2011, 09:22 AM
I'll do the qually draws for Rijeka if you want to go ahead and open it, mmarto.

dinkulpus
05-17-2011, 09:40 AM
I'll do the qually draws for Rijeka if you want to go ahead and open it, mmarto.


Ok scoobs, thank you :worship:

Labamba
05-17-2011, 12:09 PM
last week


Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

30/05/2011 Prostejov CH CL 32/16/16/8 Goldenoldie
30/05/2011 Furth CH CL 32/16/16/8 Boarder35m
30/05/2011 Rijeka CH CL 32/16/16/8 mmarto193
30/05/2011 Nottingham CH G 32/16/16/8 scoobs

Labamba
05-17-2011, 12:12 PM
What happened with Rijeka and new tournaments, anyone know where is Ville, I hope everything is OK around him :wavey:

sorry guys, I was busy running a real tennis tournament last week :p

I'll try to get the new tournaments available this evening.

Goldenoldie
05-17-2011, 02:33 PM
Can I jump the gun, please Ville?

June
Milan CH, Turin CH
backup Eastbourne

July
Orbetello CH, Astana CH
backup Gstaad

Labamba
05-17-2011, 10:34 PM
:sport: The usual things:

- max 4 tourneys per manager
- 2 days to apply (deadline on Thursday evening)
- give atleast one back-up choice
- new managers should start with challengers

June


Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

06/06/2011 Queen's G 64/32/32/16 ?
06/06/2011 Halle G 32/16/16/8 ?
06/06/2011 Nottingham 2 CH G 32/16/16/8 ?
06/06/2011 Kosice CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?

13/06/2011 Eastbourne G 32/32/16/16 ?
13/06/2011 's-Hertogenbosch G 32/32/16/16 ?
13/06/2011 Milan CH CL 32/32/16/16 ?

20/06/2011 Wimbledon S G 128/128 ?
20/06/2011 Wimbledon D G 64/64 ?
20/06/2011 Guadalajara CH H 32/16/16/8 ?

27/06/2011 Braunschweig CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?
27/06/2011 Turin CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?
27/06/2011 Winnetka CH H 32/16/16/8 ?


July


Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

04/07/2011 Davis Cup II - 8 teams ?
04/07/2011 Newport G 32/32/16/16 ?
04/07/2011 Cordoba CH H 32/16/16/8 ?
04/07/2011 Scheveningen CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?
04/07/2011 Oberstaufen CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?

11/07/2011 Stuttgart CL 32/16/16/8 ?
11/07/2011 Båstad CL 32/16/16/8 ?
11/07/2011 Bogota CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?
11/07/2011 Sopot CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?
11/07/2011 Aptos CH H 32/16/16/8 ?

18/07/2011 Hamburg CL 64/32/32/16 ?
18/07/2011 Atlanta H 32/16/16/8 ?
18/07/2011 Poznan CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?
18/07/2011 Orbetello CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?

25/07/2011 Los Angeles H 32/16/16/8 ?
25/07/2011 Gstaad CL 32/16/16/8 ?
25/07/2011 Umag CL 32/16/16/8 ?
25/07/2011 Astana CH H 32/16/16/8 ?
25/07/2011 Tampere CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?