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New Haven SF: Stakhovsky def de Bakker 6-3 6-4

Jacques_Ukraine
08-27-2010, 08:50 PM
Sergiy's play was more variable and confident

misty1
08-27-2010, 08:54 PM
ofcourse:rolleyes:
i guess i shouldnt have expected thiemo given his form to win but it would have been nice just so that it would have been assured that someone would win their maiden title tommorrow

Tom Paulman
08-27-2010, 08:56 PM
De Bakker is so overrated. Stakhovsky played very well. Will probably win tomorrow too.

Har-Tru
08-27-2010, 08:56 PM
Did Stakhovsky serve and volley?

Li Ching Yuen
08-27-2010, 08:56 PM
Nice display from Stak. He's a nice all court player to watch.

HKz
08-27-2010, 08:56 PM
Great win by Sergiy :D He is such a fun player to watch. Not a lot of power off the ground, but he looks like he loves to use tactics and work the point out.

Did Stakhovsky serve and volley?

Not much. He came in quite a bit though if you look at the stats, not really from S&V however.. He was very solid sneaking in and chipping/charging occasionally.

Jacques_Ukraine
08-27-2010, 08:57 PM
Statistics of the 1st set

Norrage
08-27-2010, 08:57 PM
De Bakker is so overrated. Stakhovsky played very well. Will probably win tomorrow too.

Thiemo has to play well on other surfaces than just clay, he just isnt a good hard court player yet...

Very good match from Stakhovsky though, he played flawless. Nothing Thiemo could do except serve better...

Jacques_Ukraine
08-27-2010, 08:58 PM
Statistics of the match

tennisfan856
08-27-2010, 09:01 PM
De Bakker has two glaring flaws, and they are punishing his game and confidence.

1. 1st serve returning
2. 2nd serve defending points won.

He needs to put some real pressure in people's service games or he'll have to improve his serving. His 2nd serve is too weak for him at the moment, so he has to re-evaluate his tactics for the australian open. It's a little too late now to tinker.

Horatio Caine
08-27-2010, 09:03 PM
Stakhovsky is one of those players I really struggle to read, but with the style he has I was expecting him to trouble De Bakker. I haven't seen De Bakker for a few months now but his rise has surprised me a little...has a good serve and can hit a big ball but I don't see much else in him. Is he really just 66kg? :eek:

Certinfy
08-27-2010, 09:03 PM
Wow greats stats from Sergiy.

Har-Tru
08-27-2010, 09:05 PM
Stakhovsky is one of those players I really struggle to read, but with the style he has I was expecting him to trouble De Bakker. I haven't seen De Bakker for a few months now but his rise has surprised me a little...has a good serve and can hit a big ball but I don't see much else in him. Is he really just 66kg? :eek:

That can't be true.

Filo V.
08-27-2010, 09:08 PM
Expected. Sergiy brings more to the table and has the type of game to frustrate players like De Bakker. De Bakker is talented but he lacks the firepower of the true top threats who play his game, Berdych, Cilic, Tsonga. But he's still developing, it just will take some time. Stakhovsky played very well and solid and was confident, congrats to him.

HKz
08-27-2010, 09:10 PM
Expected. Sergiy brings more to the table and has the type of game to frustrate players like De Bakker. De Bakker is talented but he lacks the firepower of the true top threats who play his game, Berdych, Cilic, Tsonga. But he's still developing, it just will take some time. Stakhovsky played very well and solid and was confident, congrats to him.

Don't think the power is the issue. I mean he will gain more pace over his career regardless. His issue is still the mental part of his game and his consistency. He doesn't know when to pull the trigger and when to hold back as well. But for sure, I don't think it has anything to do with him lacking pace.

Filo V.
08-27-2010, 09:10 PM
Stakhovsky is very underrated, to me he really is a top 25-30 player. The way he sliced and came to net aggressively in unexpected times really threw Thiemo for a loop. He controlled him and this match with his smarts as much if not more than anything else.

HKz
08-27-2010, 09:13 PM
Stakhovsky is very underrated, to me he really is a top 25-30 player. The way he sliced and came to net aggressively in unexpected times really threw Thiemo for a loop. He controlled him and this match with his smarts as much if not more than anything else.

Yes he has a lot of variety, covers the court pretty well for a 6'4" guy (not Murray/Monfils like however), and is solid from every aspect of the game. However, Stakhovsky is the one that lacks power off the ground, probably why at the slams he has struggled to even get past the 1st round. Sometimes he works the points too often. He needs to just be able to make points shorter. While he is fantastic coming to the net, he still isn't a S&V player, so he needs to learn how to just end a point quickly and use that big frame of his to his full potential.

Filo V.
08-27-2010, 09:14 PM
Don't think the power is the issue. I mean he will gain more pace over his career regardless. His issue is still the mental part of his game and his consistency. He doesn't know when to pull the trigger and when to hold back as well. But for sure, I don't think it has anything to do with him lacking pace.

Personally, I've seen him about 10 times. I think he's very good, but I don't think he's the type of big hitter Berdych is. Or Soderling. He's not on that level of power or clean hitting for me, he doesn't have the same weight behind the ball, and he definitely doesn't follow up good shots as well. He also is too content to just rally when he should look to open up more, as you say, his tactics are not where they need to be yet, which is something that will come with experience. He would also be better if he got better at the net and directed his serve better than he does.

Filo V.
08-27-2010, 09:22 PM
Yes he has a lot of variety, covers the court pretty well for a 6'4" guy (not Murray/Monfils like however), and is solid from every aspect of the game. However, Stakhovsky is the one that lacks power off the ground, probably why at the slams he has struggled to even get past the 1st round. Sometimes he works the points too often. He needs to just be able to make points shorter. While he is fantastic coming to the net, he still isn't a S&V player, so he needs to learn how to just end a point quickly and use that big frame of his to his full potential.

Yeah, I agree with all of these points. Although I think his ability to work the point, junk ball a bit, slice the ball around and then surprise with a flat skidding ball he hits over is a uniqueness that most players don't have. He doesn't have a lot of power, but he does it the ball flat and clean, and when he pulls the trigger, he can change direction with the ball well, he lulls players to sleep a bit. He would be better if he S&V'd a bit more, though, and I agree, be a bit more aggressive in opening up when he has the chance. He's a fantastic volleyer. His tennis brain and instincts are his best skill, really.

Johnny Groove
08-27-2010, 09:24 PM
Stakhovsky's all court play was very impressive today.

Horatio Caine
08-27-2010, 09:44 PM
Stakhovsky is very underrated, to me he really is a top 25-30 player. The way he sliced and came to net aggressively in unexpected times really threw Thiemo for a loop. He controlled him and this match with his smarts as much if not more than anything else.

I'm not sure I agree with the 'underrated' part tbh. Yes, he is very talented (has a lot of variety to his game) but he isn't getting far enough with it to be rated too highly. I have lost track of the number of times he has had physical problems (retires a lot too) and 9.5/10 times he folds like a cheap tent in matches against the best players (top 10-20).

He is starting to win more consistently at '250' level, but so far he has yet to do anything more than that.

Johnny Groove
08-27-2010, 09:46 PM
I'm not sure I agree with the 'underrated' part tbh. Yes, he is very talented (has a lot of variety to his game) but he isn't getting far enough with it to be rated too highly. I have lost track of the number of times he has had physical problems (retires a lot too) and 9.5/10 times he folds like a cheap tent in matches against the best players (top 10-20).

He is starting to win more consistently at '250' level, but so far he has yet to do anything more than that.

Sounds like he has the game, just needs to improve his fitness and mentality.

Filo V.
08-27-2010, 09:52 PM
I'm not sure I agree with the 'underrated' part tbh. Yes, he is very talented (has a lot of variety to his game) but he isn't getting far enough with it to be rated too highly. I have lost track of the number of times he has had physical problems (retires a lot too) and 9.5/10 times he folds like a cheap tent in matches against the best players (top 10-20).

He is starting to win more consistently at '250' level, but so far he has yet to do anything more than that.

I agree, I guess I meant underrated talent-wise. People don't bring him up when they discuss players who are talented, have variety, are skilled. His results in bigger events and in general definitely do need to improve, however. His physical issues probably are due to his frail body. Looks like he could add a bit of strength.

Blackbriar
08-27-2010, 11:13 PM
He is very impressive when he plays against mugs... the problem is, he never beat a top 10 and never will. :rolleyes:
The main reason he is so underrated is that between april and june he is nowhere to be seen.
At least, Richard lost against 2 guys who made finals on the surface. and Richard is much more important than this Tursunov clone.

n8
08-28-2010, 01:35 AM
Stakhovsky now 4-0 in ATP semi-finals. I hope he remains undefeated in finals too.

Kolya
08-28-2010, 04:51 AM
Sergiy :yeah:

*Jean*
08-28-2010, 05:00 AM
Sergiy :yeah:

Echoes
08-28-2010, 10:12 AM
Yeah he's very fun to watch. Several s&v's, chips & charges on opponent's 2nd serves but what I loved most were his couple of sneak attacks. Lovely. :yeah:

My orangism made me cheer for Thiemo but I'm not disappointed overall. :D Thiemo also pleased me with a few s&v's, just like against Korolev. I don't think he did it that often before, did he?

fran70
08-28-2010, 12:25 PM
Stakhovsky is a quite strange case for me. I agree with the main ideas posted by Flyboy, El Burro, HK2 and Groove Dude. But i think that the two main weakest issues that are not helping him to jump on the rankings are that he is mentally quite unstable and that inspite he has all the shots there are many times he doesn`t play tactically well.

But on the contrary he is going to play his 4th ATP final which proves that he has the consistency to do it well for a whole week long (two of them arriving to the main draw from the qualies) so if he can improve over those two issues he can be easilyu ranked in the top 20.