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Hewitt and Slam Draws: Is He The Unluckiest Player Ever?

Hewitt =Legend
08-27-2010, 03:31 AM
Rusty's draws at the slams over the last 4 years:

US 10 - 3rd round: Federer
WIM 10 - 4th round: Djokovic
RG 10 - 3rd round: Nadal
AO 10 - 4th round: Federer
US 09 - 3rd round: Federer
WIM 09 - QF: Roddick (who should have won the final)
RG 09 - 3rd round: Nadal
AO 09 - 1st round: F.Gonzalez (coming back from hip surgery unseeded, horrible match up)
US 08 - Did Not Play (Hip Surgery)
WIM 08 - 4th round: Federer
RG 08 - 3rd round: D.Ferrer (ranked 5 at the time, lost in 5 sets)
AO 08 - 4th round: Djokovic (coming off 4:30am match, lost to eventual champion)
US 07 - 2nd round: Calleri (no excuses here, Calleri playing great with Rusty refusing to change his game)
WIM 07 - 4th round: Djokovic( lost in 4 with him losing 3 breakers)
RG 07 - 4th round: Nadal
AO 07 - 3rd round: Gonzalez(Fena was unstoppable that year apart from Fed, Killed Rafa, Blake and Haas)

And there was also a period between AO 04 and US 05 where he lost to the eventual champion 7 times. With the exception of Calleri, he really only loses to the best in slams and over the last few years he has got to be the unluckiest player on tour for slam draws.

I know people will say if his ranking was higher he wouldn't run into these guys so early but there was still other players from 1-8 he could have drawn and it always seems to be Fed and Rafa at the French. It is getting ridiculous. He did blow a huge chance to make another slam final at Wimbledon this year however against an out of sorts Nole but he just got pushed behind the baseline and did nothing to disrupt Nole's rhythm.

What does everyone reckon?

green25814
08-27-2010, 03:34 AM
After his injuries he hasn't been good enough to win slams anyway, but I agree his luck these last few years is HORRIBLE.

I can't think of another slam winner with as bad draws.

Voo de Mar
08-27-2010, 03:35 AM
I'd say he's one of the luckiest players ever because he peaked when Agassi and Sampras collapsed and inter alia thanks to that won two majors and two Masters Cup :o

Honestly for the future generation of fans it would be hard to understand how many important tournaments he won comparing him with other best players from his generation.

straitup
08-27-2010, 03:37 AM
At the US and RG, maybe a little...but he just doesn't have enough weapons anymore to be able to beat the top players in those best of 5 set matches. Most of the time he has to rely on the opponent playing poorly. His consistency is remarkable though for a man his age with the injury problems he's had

Hewitt =Legend
08-27-2010, 03:40 AM
I'd say he's one of the luckiest players ever because he peaked when Agassi and Sampras collapsed and inter alia thanks to that won two majors and two Masters Cup :o

Honestly for the future generation of fans it would be hard to understand how many important tournaments he won comparing him with other best players from his generation.

I understand that argument but someone had to step up and rule that period and Lleyton was the one that did, and you cannot deny his bad luck over the last few years. Also Agassi was still playing well around that time but I concede Sampras had fallen rapidly by the time of that US Open final.

tennisfan856
08-27-2010, 03:41 AM
I'd say he's one of the luckiest players ever because he peaked when Agassi and Sampras collapsed and inter alia thanks to that won two majors and two Masters Cup :o

Honestly for the future generation of fans it would be hard to understand how many important tournaments he won comparing him with other best players from his generation.

100 times this. Roddick also followed the same formula.

green25814
08-27-2010, 03:57 AM
I'd say he's one of the luckiest players ever because he peaked when Agassi and Sampras collapsed and inter alia thanks to that won two majors and two Masters Cup :o

Honestly for the future generation of fans it would be hard to understand how many important tournaments he won comparing him with other best players from his generation.

I strongly disagree, Hewitt at his peak was a force to be reckoned with, and would be competitive slamwise today.

Riosreigned
08-27-2010, 04:00 AM
The way Hewitt looked in practice today vs. Melzer on Armstrong, he won't make the third round. He looked slow, serve was very inconsistent. Backhand was even missing. Hewitt looks like a shell of himself.

coonster14
08-27-2010, 04:03 AM
Unlucky with the draws definitely. Best example is the French Open, when he has faced Nadal four of the last 5 years (except 2008).

And Federer at US Open last year, Aussie Open this year, and now US Open this year again.

As much as I like Lleyton, he just does not have the weapons to hurt any of the top players, they just hit too big and deep, and his counter punching just is not enough to get it done. He has had a good career though, 2 majors, 2 TMC's, finished 2001/2002 ranked #1.

Voo de Mar
08-27-2010, 04:04 AM
I strongly disagree, Hewitt at his peak was a force to be reckoned with, and would be competitive slamwise today.

IMO he took an advantage of a hole which created itself in years 2000-2002 when a generation of great players born in the early 70's (Agassi, Sampras, Ferreira, Krajicek, Chang, Courier, Martin, Ivanisevic, Rafter... even a little younger but thrashed Kafelnikov) was basically done and the best players of the next decade (Federer and Nadal) were before their peaks :shrug:

Hewitt =Legend
08-27-2010, 04:05 AM
The way Hewitt looked in practice today vs. Melzer on Armstrong, he won't make the third round. He looked slow, serve was very inconsistent. Backhand was even missing. Hewitt looks like a shell of himself.

He's had shocking preparation going into NY, battling his calf injury and also splitting with his coach and best mate Nathan Healey. They separated on good terms though and Heals just got sick of the travelling and wants to settle down with his young family. I tend to agree though, he will have a huge battle with PHM up first and will have next to nothing against Fed if he makes it. Just hasn't got the matches under the belt that he so desperately needs - then if he plays to much on hardcourts he gets injured - sadly thats the reality of it now.

iriraz
08-27-2010, 06:01 AM
He usually has a tough draw in the slams in the last few years but considering he is barely seeded and a couple of times he was even unseeded it`s expected to get tough draws

n8
08-27-2010, 06:16 AM
Hewitt's Wimbledon draws actually haven't been so bad, but his draws in the other majors have been awful for a few years. I mean the last two Roland Garros events and last two US Open events (including this one), he has gotten the favourite as early as possible. It would be unlucky to have this happen twice, let alone four times out of four.

Blackbriar
08-27-2010, 08:37 AM
Rusty's draws at the slams over the last 4 years:
I know people will say if his ranking was higher he wouldn't run into these guys so early but there was still other players from 1-8 he could have drawn and it always seems to be Fed and Rafa at the French.
What does everyone reckon?

I will. he almost reach 4th round everytimes, so, considering his ranking, he has to face a top 4 at this stage. He was unlucky at RG, but it doesn't really matter because Hewitt was never a good clay player.

Hewitt =Legend
08-27-2010, 09:19 AM
I will. he almost reach 4th round everytimes, so, considering his ranking, he has to face a top 4 at this stage. He was unlucky at RG, but it doesn't really matter because Hewitt was never a good clay player.

No, he could still face a player ranked 5-8, thats basically my argument and as you progress deeper there is a greater chance that a top seed could be knocked out by somebody else, opening up the draw. Remember he hasn't always been seeded around 28-32.

Acer
08-27-2010, 09:30 AM
I'd say he's one of the luckiest players ever because he peaked when Agassi and Sampras collapsed and inter alia thanks to that won two majors and two Masters Cup :o

Honestly for the future generation of fans it would be hard to understand how many important tournaments he won comparing him with other best players from his generation.

WRONG

This is one of the biggest misconceptions in tennis. Hewitt peaked around 2004-2005.

Blackbriar
08-27-2010, 09:36 AM
yeah, i see what you mean. I think his bad luck his mostly his 2010 draws, this year is really ugly for him. too bad he is playing far better than last year. on the other hand, Federer & Nadal are never knocked out before the quarters (Nadal once) and so, every good players are beaten by them sooner or later, depending of their ranking.
to me his worst draw are: US 10 - 3rd round: Federer, AO 10 - 4th round: Federer, US 09 - 3rd round: Federer, WIM 08 - 4th round: Federer, because he could have reached quarters with a different draw.

moon language
08-27-2010, 09:38 AM
WRONG

This is one of the biggest misconceptions in tennis. Hewitt peaked around 2004-2005.

What would make you say that? In addition to winning two slams and the tour finals both years his win percentage in 2001-2002 was better than 2004-2005. He didn't win anything of note in 2004 or 2005.

HKz
08-27-2010, 09:44 AM
What would make you say that? In addition to winning two slams and the tour finals both years his win percentage in 2001-2002 was better than 2004-2005. He didn't win anything of note in 2004 or 2005.

Who is to say winning means peaking? Hewitt played some fantastic tennis in 2004/2005 still despite what many would say.

I mean at least in Grand Slam play, Hewitt was a bit more solid throughout the year in 2004/2005 than 2001/2002 despite not winning any slams.

Infinity
08-27-2010, 09:46 AM
He would have faced Federer and Nadal anyway because these two made it deeper in those events.

So, you mean he should have got some more QFs and SFs?

I guess this is not how a two-time grand slam champion and former world #1 shuold think.

cutesteve22
08-27-2010, 09:47 AM
well, he just beat Roger 2 months ago

moon language
08-27-2010, 10:24 AM
Who is to say winning means peaking? Hewitt played some fantastic tennis in 2004/2005 still despite what many would say.

I mean at least in Grand Slam play, Hewitt was a bit more solid throughout the year in 2004/2005 than 2001/2002 despite not winning any slams.

He wasn't more solid outside of slams throughout those years either. That was the time period when Hewitt felt he needed to pack on muscle to keep up and that was pretty much the beginning of the end for him.

StevoTG
08-27-2010, 10:45 AM
With the reanking slip due to injuries Hewitt has found himslef trapped in a situation where he's getting tough draws. But a lot of players face this problem. Ok, most players don't draw Federer in every hardcourt slam and Nadal 4 out of 6 times at the French but if I'm to simply answer the title question - I'm sure there is some other injury prone super talented player who perhaps never even played at a Slam.

Voo de Mar
08-27-2010, 11:13 AM
Hewitt peaked around 2004-2005.

Exactly, on a gym :worship:

Serenidad
08-27-2010, 11:18 AM
Well I like Lleyton, but even if you moved him around to another high seed he would still be just as disadvantaged.

Certinfy
08-27-2010, 11:55 AM
Don't even compare Gasquet to being as unlucky as Hewitt, just don't!

Blackbriar
08-27-2010, 12:15 PM
not this time...

gbmkc
08-28-2010, 03:05 AM
It's karma. That's what he gets for being such a miserable git all these years.