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Most successful players to never get past the 3rd round of the US Open

aloniv
08-27-2010, 02:43 AM
Who do you think are the most successful players who have yet to reach the forth round at the US open? Let's hope the active players finally get over this hurdle (I don't fancy Gilles' chances as he will meet Nadal in the third round if he makes it. Ljubicic can reach the forth round with his draw though.)

Here are a few former top ten players, who have not gotten past the third round in recent years:
Ivan Ljubičić (former world #3)
Sébastien Grosjean (former world #4)
Gastón Gaudio (former world #5)
Nicolás Lapentti (former world #6)
Gilles Simon (former world #6)
Alberto Berasategui (former world #7 who in fact never got past the second round)
Mario Ančić (former world #7 who also never reached the third round)
Guillermo Cańas (former world #8)
Marcos Baghdatis (former world #8 who also failed to reach the third round)

Arkulari
08-27-2010, 03:11 AM
Alberto and Gastón pretty much sucked balls in fast courts, so that's not something weird

I did not know about Ljubicic and Simon, it's weird because they tend to have good results in HC

straitup
08-27-2010, 03:14 AM
Simon almost did in 2008 but lost in 5 sets to Del Potro in the 3rd round. He's got time...I'm surprised Ljubicic hasn't done it. Gaudio, Lapentti, and Berasategui aren't exactly world beaters on hard courts

aloniv
08-27-2010, 03:18 AM
Alberto and Gastón pretty much sucked balls in fast courts, so that's not something weird

I did not know about Ljubicic and Simon, it's weird because they tend to have good results in HC

Last year Simon was forced to retire in the 3rd round against former finalist Ferrero due to knee injury, and the year before that he lost in the 3rd round to Del Potro in 5 sets.
Edit: didn't reply fast enough :)
Added Ancic to the list.

HKz
08-27-2010, 07:30 AM
Alberto and Gastón pretty much sucked balls in fast courts, so that's not something weird

I did not know about Ljubicic and Simon, it's weird because they tend to have good results in HC

Ljubicic has an issue on faster surfaces sometimes when he isn't timing his groundstrokes well since they aren't very compact..

Doomach777
08-27-2010, 07:43 AM
Unfortunately Ivan Ljubičić. But I hope he can do better this year!

Blackbriar
08-27-2010, 08:08 AM
it is highly unlikely that Simon goes past 3rd round this year...

n8
08-27-2010, 08:29 AM
Melzer (ranked 15, two third round appearances) and Almagro (ranked 16, last three US Opens were 3rd round losses), are the highest ranked players yet to make the last 16. Given that their both top 16 seeds and don't have to play another top 16 player until the 4th round, they're good chances this year.

Baghdatis (ranked 18) is another top 16 seed due for a 4th round showing (his best is two 2nd round exits). Given his recent form in the US and that he's a former Grand Slam finalist (Australian Open 2006) and semi-finalist (Wimbledon 2006), he should be a great chance this year.

The Magician
08-27-2010, 09:19 AM
Probably Grosjean, no reason he couldn't have done well on the USO surface, and since he reached the SF of every other slam it's just a strange aberration.

Also, remember when Soderling hadn't made it past the 3rd round of a slam and had the worst slam record relative to ranking on tour? My how things change :lol:

Infinity
08-27-2010, 09:50 AM
Some of them like Gaudio and Berasategui are not that good on HC.

aloniv
08-27-2010, 10:56 AM
Some of them like Gaudio and Berasategui are not that good on HC.

Berasategui did reach the quarters of the Australian Open.
Added Canas and Baghdatis to the list. The others mentioned (Almagro and Melzer) have yet to reach the top ten.

Hellraiser
08-27-2010, 03:11 PM
Ljubo & Grosjean

Nolby
08-27-2010, 03:26 PM
Last year Simon was forced to retire in the 3rd round against former finalist Ferrero due to knee injury, and the year before that he lost in the 3rd round to Del Potro in 5 sets.
Edit: didn't reply fast enough :)
Added Ancic to the list.

Any chance Gilles might give Nadal some potential trouble in the third round like he used to in 2008? It looks like the injury problems are finally starting to work themselve out. He did well at the Legg Mason making the QFs and pushing Nalby to three sets, and although he lost in the first round in the Cincy Masters, it was to the eventual finalist Mardy Fish in a highly competitive match 6-7(4), 5-7. Some might recall he took Andy Roddick out of the Legg Mason in straght sets.

Donald Young is great first round opponent. Kohli is tough, but has been suffering some injury problems himself recently. I could easily see a third round clash with Rafa.

Is he flying under radar right now; with the potential to pull off a major upset? :shrug: It's not like he couldn't do these things in the past and he is excellent at keeping just more shot in play which is why he has been so frustrating a player for the top seeds.

COA
08-27-2010, 03:26 PM
Daniel Brands.

aloniv
08-27-2010, 04:26 PM
Daniel Brands.

:) Last year Brands lost in the qualifying draw.

Blackbriar
08-27-2010, 06:02 PM
Any chance Gilles might give Nadal some potential trouble in the third round like he used to in 2008? It looks like the injury problems are finally starting to work themselve out. He did well at the Legg Mason making the QFs and pushing Nalby to three sets, and although he lost in the first round in the Cincy Masters, it was to the eventual finalist Mardy Fish in a highly competitive match 6-7(4), 5-7. Some might recall he took Andy Roddick out of the Legg Mason in straght sets.

Donald Young is great first round opponent. Kohli is tough, but has been suffering some injury problems himself recently. I could easily see a third round clash with Rafa.

Is he flying under radar right now; with the potential to pull off a major upset? :shrug: It's not like he couldn't do these things in the past and he is excellent at keeping just more shot in play which is why he has been so frustrating a player for the top seeds.

you have a certain talent of defending the impossible. Monfils beats Roddick and reach 4th or even quarter-final, and Simon beats Nadal. What about a final Monfils-Simon?Do you mean that the best frenchmen are Simon and Monfils??? :haha:

ok lets be serious, if you compare Simon and Gasquet, there's no match.

Simon has 20% of Gasquet's talent. Simon is weaker physically than Gasquet, and that is already terrible! Simon is almost 2 years older than Gasquet and has not won more titles than Gasquet, considering that Gasquet was suspended during almost half a year! finally, Simon has done nothing this year, no final, no semis, nothing. Gasquet played 3 finals and won one, by beating Verdasco on clay. oh & by the way Gasquet leads 4-0 against the skinny pusher.

Monfils has played 10 finals (Gasquet: 14), won 2, lost another one this year (vs Montanes, too good for him). it took him 5 years to win his second title. and he was ri-di-cu-led by the mighty Fognini at RG, leading 2 sets to love before choking(Gasquet also lost in 5, but he was not playing a "Fognini")

now ask me why I support Ritchie and not these losers...

Li Ching Yuen
08-27-2010, 06:06 PM
Ljubicic.

Strangely though, he has the perfect draw to do it this year.

Turbosupermario
08-27-2010, 08:07 PM
It's a shame that Mario is on this list. He hasn't played at Us Open since 2005.
Even when he played at this turnament, he wasn't 100% -2004. and 2003. he was recovering from injury, 2002. and 2003. he was too young. (Ancic is born 30.03.1984)

Nolby
08-27-2010, 10:13 PM
you have a certain talent of defending the impossible. Monfils beats Roddick and reach 4th or even quarter-final, and Simon beats Nadal. What about a final Monfils-Simon?Do you mean that the best frenchmen are Simon and Monfils??? :haha:

ok lets be serious, if you compare Simon and Gasquet, there's no match.

At no time was I even comparing Gasquet or Monfils to Simon. Where the heck did you get that idea?

I prefer never to mention Gasquet at all the past several years. I was asking a fan with a Simon avatar (gusessing they were a Simon fan) if he felt Simon was improving his game to a point that he could give Rafa some trouble in the third round of the U.S. Open. Simon defeated Nadal in the fall of 2008, the last time he was playing at the top level of his game. And I've noticed some undeniable signs of improvement from Gillou in the past month. It has taken him a long time to recover from the injuries in 2009, but it looks like he is making huge strides recently. I don't care that Simon is a frenchman. I look at him individually as a player.

To be perfectly honest, I don't care about Gasquet at all. :shrug: I will never roast him on this board as no player in the top 100 deserves that; simultaenously, I will never talk about him because I don't think he is very interesting as a player or a person, and I've seen Nalby destroy him far too many times to have blind admiration for him (Nalby 7-0 lifetime against Gasquet (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=G628&oId=N301) ).

Simon, on the other hand, has impressed me a ton on more than a few occassion. He WAS a threat to both Fed and Nadal, as he beat both of them in 2008 (at one point 2-0 to start his career against Fed) along with beating most of the other players at the top when he was last playing great, consistent tennis in 2008. I, therefore, find him to be a more interesting, and yes, more talented player to watch. Or if he is not more "talented" (a subjective word thrown around so often....), then he certainly makes up for it with tons of heart, courage, will and mental strength and had been very effective with his game in the recent past; enough to make it to the Top Ten and play as one of the Elite 8 for the Tennis Masters Cup in 2008. He was a contendor and a potential victor against any challenger. I am hoping he is now returning to those heights and will give Rafa one heck of a battle in the third round of the U.S. Open if they both make it that far.

Again, please stop insinuating that I am comparing frenchmen. especially putting words in my mouth that I am talking about Gasquet. Do an Advanced Search on me. I NEVER talk about Gasquet. :p I am ONLY talking about Simon in my previous post in this thread.


Simon has 20% of Gasquet's talent. Simon is weaker physically than Gasquet, and that is already terrible! Simon is almost 2 years older than Gasquet and has not won more titles than Gasquet, considering that Gasquet was suspended during almost half a year! finally, Simon has done nothing this year, no final, no semis, nothing. Gasquet played 3 finals and won one, by beating Verdasco on clay. oh & by the way Gasquet leads 4-0 against the skinny pusher.


Could someone else who enjoys comparing Simon and Gasquet handle this one? :shrug: Or not. :p


Monfils beats Roddick and reach 4th or even quarter-final,


Ok, the Monfils/Roddick connection. In some other post and thread completely unrelated to this one, I mentioned that Monfils had been a thorn in Roddick's side and had the H2H edge and Andy's U.S. Open draw wasn't the "cakewalk" it appeared to be. Monfils has also been a difficult match-up for Nalby in the past due to his speed and mobility. Again, it had nothing to do with comparing him to Gasquet or any of the other frenchmen. It was simply stating: Don't count Roddick's potential match-up against Monfils as an automatic "W". This is not a bad match-up for Monfils.

Oh, and by the way, Monfils made the 4th Round of the U.S. Open last year. :p

Monfils has played 10 finals (Gasquet: 14), won 2, lost another one this year (vs Montanes, too good for him). it took him 5 years to win his second title. and he was ri-di-cu-led by the mighty Fognini at RG, leading 2 sets to love before choking(Gasquet also lost in 5, but he was not playing a "Fognini")

Again the career comparisons to Gasquet and a reference to a controversy in this year's Roland Garros. Is it possible to talk about Ferru without compaing him to Verdasco, Almagro or Rafa? It should be. :p This thread and my prior posts in this thread have been about Simon, not Monfils. I like Simon, I am ok with Monfils, but he is not one of my favorites. However, I do respect the fact that he has beaten some quality opponents in his day and has done reasonably well at the U.S. Open.

now ask me why I support Ritchie and not these losers

No thanks! And Simon is not even close to being a "loser" in my book; and Monfils went awfully far last summer in N.Y. and has had some impressive runs. You are free to keep talking about Gasquet. I won't join in those threads or conversations. Gasquet is simply not a player I care much about or think much about. No insult intended.

lalaland
08-28-2010, 02:10 AM
you have a certain talent of defending the impossible. Monfils beats Roddick and reach 4th or even quarter-final, and Simon beats Nadal. What about a final Monfils-Simon?Do you mean that the best frenchmen are Simon and Monfils??? :haha:

ok lets be serious, if you compare Simon and Gasquet, there's no match.


I'm sorry but your post is funny, cos the entire post of Nolby didn't even mention Gasquet (or Monfils) and you wrote a response pretty much saying how dare you compare Simon to Gasquet :lol:. You have some imagination.

aloniv
08-28-2010, 06:00 AM
Any chance Gilles might give Nadal some potential trouble in the third round like he used to in 2008? It looks like the injury problems are finally starting to work themselve out. He did well at the Legg Mason making the QFs and pushing Nalby to three sets, and although he lost in the first round in the Cincy Masters, it was to the eventual finalist Mardy Fish in a highly competitive match 6-7(4), 5-7. Some might recall he took Andy Roddick out of the Legg Mason in straght sets.

Donald Young is great first round opponent. Kohli is tough, but has been suffering some injury problems himself recently. I could easily see a third round clash with Rafa.

Is he flying under radar right now; with the potential to pull off a major upset? :shrug: It's not like he couldn't do these things in the past and he is excellent at keeping just more shot in play which is why he has been so frustrating a player for the top seeds.

I actually saw the Simon-Nalbandian match and thought that Simon didn't play that well (he made far too many unforced errors). Nalbandian on the other hand played at times really well (at times he couldn't miss the lines), but also occasionally played really badly which helped Gilles make it competitve. Gilles' game relies on consistently and on a low number of unforced errors, which unfortunately is still missing since he returned at Estbourne, but after a long lay-off this is quite understandable and he will probably get there in the coming weeks or months. I can't see Gilles troubling Nadal at this point (if they were to meet).
On an unrelated note, Simon did defeat Gasquet earlier this year (albeit in a challenger).

Nolby
08-28-2010, 06:32 AM
I actually saw the Simon-Nalbandian match and thought that Simon didn't play that well (he made far too many unforced errors). Nalbandian on the other hand played at times really well (at times he couldn't miss the lines), but also occasionally played really badly which helped Gilles make it competitve. Gilles' game relies on consistently and on a low number of unforced errors, which unfortunately is still missing since he returned at Estbourne, but after a long lay-off this is quite understandable and he will probably get there in the coming weeks or months. I can't see Gilles troubling Nadal at this point (if they were to meet).
On an unrelated note, Simon did defeat Gasquet earlier this year (albeit in a challenger).

Ok, thanks for the feedback. Nalby has vacillated between brilliant and horrifying in his own comeback (his service games against Nole in Cincy :o ). I would love it if Simon found some form of old in the U.S. Open. I will be cheering him on (unless he meets one of my Top 5) regardless and best of luck and respect to Gillou at the U.S. Open. :yeah:

straitup
08-28-2010, 06:36 AM
Simon won't beat Nadal, I don't think he'd win in a best of 5 set match anywhere against Rafa. That 2008 Madrid match, while one of my faves, took a Herculean effort because he was so exhausted. Then they had a couple close sets in the 2009 AO but he still couldn't win a set.

Nolby
08-28-2010, 06:59 AM
Simon won't beat Nadal, I don't think he'd win in a best of 5 set match anywhere against Rafa. That 2008 Madrid match, while one of my faves, took a Herculean effort because he was so exhausted. Then they had a couple close sets in the 2009 AO but he still couldn't win a set.

Still has the potential to be an entertaining match. :yeah: I hope we get to see it.

straitup
08-28-2010, 07:36 AM
Still has the potential to be an entertaining match. :yeah: I hope we get to see it.

Hopefully...they've always at least had a competitive set. First let's see if they get there ;)

Nolby
08-28-2010, 07:50 AM
Hopefully...they've always at least had a competitive set. First let's see if they get there ;)

Well, as the original post postulated, I hope Simon is one of the top players that breaks his 3rd round wall at the USO this year.
Say "hi" to Clay Death and Arkulari for me. ;) :bigwave:

chowdahead25
08-28-2010, 08:09 AM
Grosjean

Blackbriar
08-28-2010, 08:15 AM
Still has the potential to be an entertaining match. :yeah: I hope we get to see it.

what you secretly hope is that someone, coming fromp nowhere, will beat Nadal before he meets Nalbandian. it won't be the aging skinny pusher. and anyone else, by the way. Simon will be crushed by Nadal. He is nowhere near his peak of 2008. and Nalbandian will be toasted in quarters at best. Simon is a dumbed-down version of Murray. I like Murray, but I certainly don't like Simon! how can you consider him to be a threat: he has more defeats than wins this year!
And Monfils, what a joke, unless Falla (who downed him at cinci) is going to make a historic run in USO, Monfils will be ridiculed once more. ok he will reach 3rd round. how impressive! the guy who was tipped to reach the top of ranking by so-called experts years ago, he has achieved so few that it is laughable. at least these guys have realized that he is nowhere as good as Tsonga.

Nolby
08-28-2010, 10:53 AM
what you secretly hope is that someone, coming fromp nowhere, will beat Nadal before he meets Nalbandian. it won't be the aging skinny pusher. and anyone else, by the way. Simon will be crushed by Nadal. He is nowhere near his peak of 2008. and Nalbandian will be toasted in quarters at best. Simon is a dumbed-down version of Murray. I like Murray, but I certainly don't like Simon! how can you consider him to be a threat: he has more defeats than wins this year!
And Monfils, what a joke, unless Falla (who downed him at cinci) is going to make a historic run in USO, Monfils will be ridiculed once more. ok he will reach 3rd round. how impressive! the guy who was tipped to reach the top of ranking by so-called experts years ago, he has achieved so few that it is laughable. at least these guys have realized that he is nowhere as good as Tsonga.

What I secretly wish is that you drop the obligatory grouping and comparison of all players from France during the singlular discusssion of one player from France. :p Well, at least no mention of the first dude in your sig this time; although the one you have quoted as being a "champion" is needlessly plugged once again to the surprise of noone.

On the bright side, Tsonga is a very talented and enjoyable player to watch. I agree with you there. :yeah: Just wish he didn't get injured so often. I agree to disagree on your extremely negative assessment of Simon and also on that dude (Nalby) that has a 7-0 lifetime record against your hero.

Back on topic:

It is amazing Baggy hasn't had a run deeper than the third round. Maybe this will be his year with the solid results he has produced this past summer? It is rather bizarre to note that the U.S. Open has been his most unsuccessful Grand Slam by far, having only reached the 2nd round. Baggy should get Fish in the 3rd round. That should be quite a match of "in-form" players!

yuri27
08-28-2010, 04:35 PM
To be perfectly honest, I don't care about Gasquet at all. :shrug: I will never roast him on this board as no player in the top 100 deserves that; simultaenously, I will never talk about him because I don't think he is very interesting as a player or a person, and I've seen Nalby destroy him far too many times to have blind admiration for him (Nalby 7-0 lifetime against Gasquet (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=G628&oId=N301) ).
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So i guess you didn't have any admiration for Federer until his 23 too as he was also regularly being destroyed by Nalby(he was 0-5 against Nalby).

Jimnik
08-28-2010, 05:53 PM
Der Melzer should rectify it this year. He has a good draw.

Blackbriar
08-28-2010, 09:28 PM
what about the most successful players to never get past the 1st round of the US Open?

aloniv
08-31-2010, 07:45 PM
Oh well Baghdatis didn't break the second round curse. Good luck next year.