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Is Del Potro afraid of getting re-injured or does he believe he won't be competitive?

HKz
08-23-2010, 08:42 PM
I'm sure we all heard of Juan Martin's difficult decision to pull out of the US Open. However, I don't understand why he doesn't just try to defend his title?

I mean you could tell me that his injury hasn't fully healed, but he said he has been practicing for a few weeks now but I doubt you would really want to practice if you have a wrist injury that hasn't fully healed because wrist injuries are really nasty. Not to mention, he still has a little more time left to practice.

Of course one month or so of practicing will not get you back in tip top shape nor will it allow you to get your tennis back on track, but I'm sure he is professional enough to have been doing running drills and the sort while he was off the tour. So I would guess he isn't in the worst shape.

Look I realize either way he wouldn't be able to win the tournament, and he obviously knows that or else he would try to defend his title, but just because he won't be able to win it, should it mean he shouldn't just play in the tournament at all? I mean who knows, he can get a good draw and with some luck on his side he could get maybe a walkover or whatnot and before you know it, he is in the second week. He gets some matches under his belt and possibly not slide down the rankings as dramatically.

Even if he were to pull a Hewitt and lose in the first round after winning the title, I don't think it should hurt his confidence because he shouldn't come to New York expecting much. If he is afraid of the injury coming back or believes it isn't fully healed, then he probably shouldn't be practicing and therefore answers my question. If he is out of shape, then what the hell has he been doing this entire time? Sitting around waiting for his wrist to heal?

Certinfy
08-23-2010, 08:49 PM
It's probably the latter.

HKz
08-23-2010, 08:51 PM
It's probably the latter.

He can't attempt?

Certinfy
08-23-2010, 08:54 PM
He probably fears he won't be competitive or anywhere near it. From what I've read his wrist is fully healed now but he's only been practicing for a few weeks now, so he knows he's not going to get anywhere in NY. I agree with you that it wouldn't hurt losing in R1, but I really do think he fears getting completely destroyed out there or something similar at this point in time.

syc23
08-23-2010, 08:54 PM
He's probably in the same position as Nadal (Wimby '09), too much pride not wanting to lose in the 1st round or risk of being triple bagelled.

Filo V.
08-23-2010, 09:05 PM
He doesn't want to step on the court not able to give his absolute best. He's also continuing in his efforts to strengthen the wrist and may not want to put too much pressure on it so soon after just starting to hit a few weeks ago. Personally, I think it's a wise decision. He should only step on court when he is 100% physically and mentally ready to compete.

emotion
08-23-2010, 09:06 PM
Stupid choice, really. Too much pride, and it might cost his ranking.

HKz
08-23-2010, 09:13 PM
He doesn't want to step on the court not able to give his absolute best. He's also continuing in his efforts to strengthen the wrist and may not want to put too much pressure on it so soon after just starting to hit a few weeks ago. Personally, I think it's a wise decision. He should only step on court when he is 100% physically and mentally ready to compete.

He should be fit for the most part like I questioned. He is mature enough that he realizes he can do other physical activities to stay in tip top shape (like running) so that when his wrist is healed, he can just concentrate on strengthening the wrist and his tennis.

Why do you have to be 100%? There are plenty of players that are not injured that do not feel 100%, but they step on the court.

ApproachShot
08-23-2010, 09:16 PM
The ranking's not too much of an issue - I'm sure he will recover that in due course. What is perhaps baffling is why he would forgo the chance to have another bite at the cherry in deciding to skip a slam where he already has had success.

That makes me think that he would have played in the US Open had the tournament been scheduled for a month later (notice that he is scheduled to play Bangkok as his first competitive tournament). If it is true that he has been practicing tennis for the last few weeks - as opposed to just strength/endurance training and fitness drills - then it is likely the case that his team have taken the view that it would be unwise to put the wrist under so much exertion so soon. The delay in anouncing whether he would be playing or not was perhaps indicative of their indicision; he is more or less ready, but not yet 100% match fit. Perhaps they are thinking it is more wise to play it safe.

Moreover as you mention there is the sound possibility that he will be uncompetitive. Perhaps he looked at the experience of Davydenko, who looked far from convincing after seemingly rushing his return from a wrist injury. Still, I think he would have been able to negotiate his way through the first three rounds or so, like he was able to at the Australian Open. But at the end of the day of course it's his call.

HKz
08-23-2010, 09:19 PM
The ranking's not too much of an issue - I'm sure he will recover that in due course. What is perhaps baffling is why he would forgo the chance to have another bite at the cherry in deciding to skip a slam where he already has had success.

That makes me think that he would have played in the US Open had the tournament been scheduled for a month later (notice that he is scheduled to play Bangkok as his first competitive tournament). If it is true that he has been practicing tennis for the last few weeks - as opposed to just strength/endurance training and fitness drills - then it is likely the case that his team have taken the view that it would be unwise to put the wrist under so much exertion so soon. The delay in anouncing whether he would be playing or not was perhaps indicative of their indicision; he is more or less ready, but not yet 100% match fit.

Moreover as you mention there is the sound possibility that he will be uncompetitive. Perhaps he looked at the experience of Davydenko, who looked far from convincing after seemingly rushing his return from a wrist injury. Still, I think he would have been able to negotiate his way through the first three rounds or so, like he was able to at the Australian Open. But at the end of the day of course it's his call.

Well that is exactly it. How else will he be 100% match fit if he doesn't play matches? You can be 100% physically fine and hitting the ball perfect in practice, but it doesn't mean anything if you can't be mentally strong on court, and the only way to do that is by playing actual matches. Yes, I think he could pull out a couple rounds, so why not?

Filo V.
08-23-2010, 09:20 PM
He should be fit for the most part like I questioned. He is mature enough that he realizes he can do other physical activities to stay in tip top shape (like running) so that when his wrist is healed, he can just concentrate on strengthening the wrist and his tennis.

Why do you have to be 100%? There are plenty of players that are not injured that do not feel 100%, but they step on the court.

You don't have to be 100% because no-one genuinely is, but this is a wrist we are dealing with. Those types of injuries are potentially chronic and will/have destroyed careers. He should be fit in terms of the legs, back etc., but he still is strengthening his wrist, it isn't 100% yet. His wrist is still weak at this point in time, making it more suspect to potential re-tears and damage. Obviously, after everything he has been through, he doesn't want to take that risk, and he shouldn't. The long term is more important that short term satisfaction, because he isn't prepared to truly be a threat at the US Open anyway. Unlike other guys, he has this major and he has lots of money so there incentive to play at 50% isn't nearly as high for him. He wants to get back to being the best of his capabilities at the top of the game and he shouldn't put any roadblocks in the way of achieving that goal.

HKz
08-23-2010, 09:24 PM
You don't have to be 100% because no-one genuinely is, but this is a wrist we are dealing with. Those types of injuries are potentially chronic and will/have destroyed careers. He should be fit in terms of the legs, back etc., but he still is strengthening his wrist, it isn't 100% yet. His wrist is still weak at this point in time, making it more suspect to potential re-tears and damage. Obviously, after everything he has been through, he doesn't want to take that risk, and he shouldn't. The long term is more important that short term satisfaction, because he isn't prepared to truly be a threat at the US Open anyway. Unlike other guys, he has this major and he has lots of money so there incentive to play at 50% isn't nearly as high for him. He wants to get back to being the best of his capabilities at the top of the game and he shouldn't put any roadblocks in the way of achieving that goal.

That is exactly what I said in my first post. If he is afraid of it getting injured, then he shouldn't be practicing which is what he said he is doing. I've had a wrist injury and I was advised not to pick a racket up until conditioning of the wrists was complete and I think that is the consensus when I've talked to other players who had similar wrist injuries.

So if Juan Martin is to the point where he can really start practicing again, I don't see why he can't attempt to play. I mean he can always retire during a match and people would understand.

Roddickominator
08-23-2010, 09:29 PM
Probably both. Why should he rush coming back too early to high level competition just to risk re-injury or embarrassment? He'll come back at his own pace when he feels comfortable that his wrist can handle him ripping 110 mph forehands again.

FiBeR
08-23-2010, 09:30 PM
man, expecting someone whose last tournament was back in january to play best of 5 sets as defending champ of a grand slam is too much to ask..

wise decision. imagine what it would do to the way you feel about your favourite tournamentand the confidence you ve built along your career to get schooled by daniel brands in R1 :lol:

peribsen
08-23-2010, 09:33 PM
He's probably in the same position as Nadal (Wimby '09), too much pride not wanting to lose in the 1st round or risk of being triple bagelled.

!!! Nadal had a knee injury, it was healing but still not really well. If he forced it too early, he risked his career. The doctor told him he 'could' play, but advised against it. Staying out of Wimbledon 09 was a sound decision. Typical of MTF to think the worst of players.

As for Delpo's case, who am I to know, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt before attributing his abscense to pride.

straitup
08-23-2010, 09:34 PM
man, expecting someone whose last tournament was back in january to play best of 5 sets as defending champ of a grand slam is too much to ask..

wise decision. imagine what it would do to the way you feel about your favourite tournamentand the confidence you ve built along your career to get schooled by daniel brands in R1 :lol:

Can't wait for Serenidad and the Brandwagon to roll through here :rolleyes:

It's certainly a tall ask to be competitive after not playing since January, it's one thing to just enter a 250 tournament after a 7 month layoff but a slam is a bit of a stretch.

HKz
08-23-2010, 09:35 PM
man, expecting someone whose last tournament was back in january to play best of 5 sets as defending champ of a grand slam is too much to ask..

wise decision. imagine what it would do to the way you feel about your favourite tournamentand the confidence you ve built along your career to get schooled by daniel brands in R1 :lol:

It didn't destroy Hewitt's confidence when he got schooled by Karlovic at Wimbledon after winning it the previous year. Sure he didn't win another GS title, but 2 GS finals and couple GS QFs/SFs isn't too shabby.

Juan Martin wouldn't expect much coming into New York.

FiBeR
08-23-2010, 09:43 PM
It didn't destroy Hewitt's confidence when he got schooled by Karlovic at Wimbledon after winning it the previous year. Sure he didn't win another GS title, but 2 GS finals and couple GS QFs/SFs isn't too shabby.

Juan Martin wouldn't expect much coming into New York.

yeah but if you consider the guy cracked after winning the USO and had some psychological treatment after it... you cant rule that out

im not sure how many of you are awared of it but ruling out the TMC final (which was a fluke imo, remember his post uso campaign?), after the USO, JMDP played completely different clutchwise and he was under psychological treatment.

misty1
08-23-2010, 09:44 PM
Has it said anywhere if he plans on playing anywhere this year or is he just coming back next year?

Matt01
08-23-2010, 09:56 PM
Only Del Pony himself knows in what shape he is in (and how the wrist is feeling) and if it makes sense for him to compete at this point at a Slam. Useless thread.

fabolous
08-23-2010, 10:07 PM
some people think that being "back in practice" means that he is near 100% or what? here is a clip from three weeks ago, he is not even at 10%, so there's no point in playing at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJV2z2gEIWc

Sophocles
08-23-2010, 10:31 PM
some people think that being "back in practice" means that he is near 100% or what? here is a clip from three weeks ago, he is not even at 10%, so there's no point in playing at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJV2z2gEIWc

Yeah, that settles it. He looks as though he should have William Renshaw on the other side of the net.

Filo V.
08-23-2010, 11:09 PM
That is exactly what I said in my first post. If he is afraid of it getting injured, then he shouldn't be practicing which is what he said he is doing. I've had a wrist injury and I was advised not to pick a racket up until conditioning of the wrists was complete and I think that is the consensus when I've talked to other players who had similar wrist injuries.

So if Juan Martin is to the point where he can really start practicing again, I don't see why he can't attempt to play. I mean he can always retire during a match and people would understand.

A lot of it is mental, the only way to get past that fear is to play on it. But you want him to play competitive matches and he's simply not ready physically with the wrist. He's just doing some moderate hitting and exercises. He hasn't ramped it up whatsoever to the level he would need to be to play a competitive match, nor is his wrist strong enough to allow that. He has to train his wrist again to play tennis and then of course there is potential swelling that comes with using something that you haven't used a long time. He's just not ready yet, his wrist isn't "injured" but it's not ready to play long matches with constant pressure. And if he isn't ready then he shouldn't play. He should play just for the sake of playing, he's beyond that.

Filo V.
08-23-2010, 11:11 PM
Also, he would have a lot of pressure on his shoulders if he played the US Open, regardless of him just coming back from injury. He is the defending champ who defeated Fedal, plus with the comeback drama, he would have one of the biggest spotlights placed on him. For someone who admittedly went through some issues emotionally/psychologically after the US Open and wrist issues, that isn't wise.

Serenidad
08-24-2010, 12:45 AM
man, expecting someone whose last tournament was back in january to play best of 5 sets as defending champ of a grand slam is too much to ask..

wise decision. imagine what it would do to the way you feel about your favourite tournamentand the confidence you ve built along your career to get schooled by daniel brands in R1 :lol:

Yes if he came back now Brands would be a pretty rough draw for him.

Can't wait for Serenidad and the Brandwagon to roll through here :rolleyes:


:bigclap: Rolling on through.

swisht4u
08-24-2010, 12:54 AM
Seems he doesn't want to rush it, he's young and will have plenty of chances later. It takes some time to heal and more time to increase the stress to maximum levels. A few weeks isn't enough to get the wrist at full strength. He knows once he starts playing it's going to be hard to hold back.
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Even if he's at 80-90% strength, a little more time won't hurt. I want to see him back soon, he's one of my favorite players.

I don't think he's worried about rankings now, after this type of injury he's worried about ever playing close to where he used to. IMO.

Action Jackson
08-24-2010, 03:41 AM
Very smart decision, why come back too soon and then have to come back from a worse place.

He's not even close to a legit comeback, he has plenty of time and the rankings are irrelevant. It's not like he isn't good enough to get that back, once he is fit, then the results will come.

ReturnWinner
08-24-2010, 03:48 AM
He just restarted practices two weeks ago and not very intensively after having a surgery and played his last match almost seven months ago, how does anybody expect him to play?

viruzzz
08-24-2010, 03:56 AM
I really hope he never raise to the top 10 again.

hyperren
08-24-2010, 04:06 AM
Agreed that the rankings are irrelevant... just ask the Nalbandian fans, and HE hasn't even won a GS title. He also took his time returning from injury, and despite his rankings sliding because of that, he returned to form and is back to being competitive on the tour.

I imagine that if DelPo played USO and lost in the opening round, the same people who are questioning why he isn't playing the USO would have questioned why he returned in the first place.

Ibracadabra
08-24-2010, 04:16 AM
I wanted him to take the 2010 season off, winning the us open has been a curse for him it seems.

Forehander
08-24-2010, 07:57 AM
It's definitely a good decision to pull out.

Roddickominator
08-24-2010, 08:13 AM
It's definitely a good decision to pull out.

Did your girlfriend tell you that?

Lopez
08-24-2010, 09:21 AM
Did your girlfriend tell you that?

:rolls:

dombrfc
08-24-2010, 10:50 AM
delPo <3

Infinity
08-24-2010, 11:50 AM
I think he does not want to take any risk of getting badly hurt. Skipping a slam is not bad compared to what he might suffer if he chooses to play instead if he is not completely healthy and fit.

MacTheKnife
08-24-2010, 01:14 PM
Very smart decision, why come back too soon and then have to come back from a worse place.

He's not even close to a legit comeback, he has plenty of time and the rankings are irrelevant. It's not like he isn't good enough to get that back, once he is fit, then the results will come.

Agree completely. Wrists are one of the most difficult injuries to recover from, specially when the player serves and hits a FH like Del Potro. The most critical time for recovery is that period of time when pain stops, but it is not completely healed yet. Very dangerous territory and a lot of players re-injure themselves during that time.
Delpo is to young for that to happen with a wrist.. So smart move.. Be patient.

iriraz
08-24-2010, 01:29 PM
If he was available to play in the Us Open for sure he would have played at least Toronto or Cincinnati before that.But considering he didn`t play one tourney since January he needs to take it easily and play a minor tournament to get a few matches under his belt.

nalbyfan
08-24-2010, 01:45 PM
He confirmed his return to Bangkok tournament....wait and see

thrust
08-24-2010, 01:50 PM
He doesn't want to step on the court not able to give his absolute best. He's also continuing in his efforts to strengthen the wrist and may not want to put too much pressure on it so soon after just starting to hit a few weeks ago. Personally, I think it's a wise decision. He should only step on court when he is 100% physically and mentally ready to compete.

WELL PUT! Sensible decision by Del Potro. He made the the wrong decision by playing in the AO. Too dangerous to return too soon.

River
08-24-2010, 02:15 PM
Rankings don't matter, as it should be. I think Del Potro knows that he can make it back to the Top 10 easily when he's completely healthy, and it would insulting to waste a US Open spot while being unable to be 100% and risk another injury. Anyone who thinks otherwise probably never played competitively in his or her entire life; college, ameteur or pro.