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Why Nadal is still the favorite for US Open '10 despite toronto and cinci losses

Start da Game
08-21-2010, 08:33 AM
if nadal's not the favorite for the us open, who else is the favorite? i question again, who else is the favorite? will it be murray who played like crap on his favorite surface and lost to fish? or will it be federer who hasn't won an ATP singles title in ages? will it be djokovic who has lost his way in tennis?

nadal is still the top favorite for the us open for the following reasons.......

1. rafa takes his time to get a feel of things.......the recovery time he took after the knee treatment made him ready for tennis again but that was never going to guarantee any immediate success.......defeats in toronto and cinci do not suggest much about what he is capable of in the us open.......

2. hardcourts being his worst surfaces, sufficient matchplay(which he has now for uso) was always going to be minimum requirement for even little success.......

3. despite horrible form, fitness and lack of confidence last year, he made it to the semis and only lost to the eventual title winner.......he is fit and ready to play this time, unlike last year.......

4. it's good to experiment and lose in events like these than experimenting in slams.......those 41 unforced errors and repetitive use of slice should suggest that he was trying something different out there.......

5. agreed that the backhand has been disappointing lately but it's good that he is going to find the range at the right time.......

6. fit and ready, 7 matches of good enough hitting and various experiments on different groundstrokes, i think he now knows how to approach the slam and also how to win it.......

no one knows better than rafa how to take the game to the next level in slams and deal with clutch situations.......he is the top favorite according to me.......discuss.......

Roddickominator
08-21-2010, 08:39 AM
Federer is the clear favorite IMO...the only guy that has beaten him at the USO in the past 6(?) years isn't even in the tournament. We've seen Federer raise his game too many times to say anyone else here.

There are too many players that can give Nadal trouble on a fast hardcourt. I just don't like his chances, especially with the way his backhand and return are looking right now.

Andi-M
08-21-2010, 08:40 AM
There is no clear favorite for US open this year. Fact.

The Magician
08-21-2010, 08:43 AM
:haha: No. It's obviously Federer, the five time champion, followed by Murray the toronto champion, followed by the winner of Cincy (especially if it's Roddick) followed by some of the other top players. Nadal is no where near the top, but in the small part of your mind left that still functions you already knew that :wavey:

leng jai
08-21-2010, 08:43 AM
Sampras is still the favourite for US Open despite being retired.

Start da Game
08-21-2010, 08:48 AM
Federer is the clear favorite IMO...the only guy that has beaten him at the USO in the past 6(?) years isn't even in the tournament. We've seen Federer raise his game too many times to say anyone else here.

There are too many players that can give Nadal trouble on a fast hardcourt. I just don't like his chances, especially with the way his backhand and return are looking right now.

fed's real hurdles lie before the semis.......berdych took him out on his favorite surface and we have a few more players who can play well on hardcourts than on grass and obviously they would fancy their chances.......everybody is expecting nadal to go down at the us open but what these toronto and cinci defeats have done to rafa is, freed rafa off any kind of expectations and put the onus right back on fed.......

Ben.
08-21-2010, 08:53 AM
He certainly had the potential to be the favourite, given no one else showing much form whatsoever, aside from Murray. Rafa looked like he didn't know what he was doing in the last two weeks though. He just looks unprepared in every aspect. He failed to play himself into any form in seven matches, and overall his form dropped off from last week to this week. So no he is not the favourite, too many people can trouble him and too many people know they can trouble him, more to the point.

alter ego
08-21-2010, 08:57 AM
Can't wait untill Rafitto loses at USO so I can bump this thread and make fun of star...da...dots (again).:devil:

Blackbriar
08-21-2010, 08:57 AM
he is the top favorite according to me.......

according to you probably, everyone else will say Federer.

fsoica
08-21-2010, 09:05 AM
don't u have anti-spam or reCAPTCHA technolofy here, MTF admins ?

A bot aka Start_da_Game comes from time to time posting the same shit.
Pls. stop abusing mtf...

Otoh, do u remember Rafawon09usopen ?

Hopefully this new bot will vanish in the same way after the qf defeat (at the Open, i mean) of the spaniard...

hilluis
08-21-2010, 09:17 AM
Nadal has not looked good these past two weeks but you can never count him out in best of 5 set matches.

Serenidad
08-21-2010, 09:17 AM
well I say Brands is the favorite.

Fed=ATPTourkilla
08-21-2010, 09:18 AM
Back in the real world, Nadal looks like a sitting duck on this surface, as he does every single year. Even in 2008 he was outplayed by Murray at the USO and killed by Djokovic at Cincy. His main achievement was making Djokovic choke at the Olympics.

You can't write a winner like Nadal off but at the moment it's looking like any number of players could take him out. The only top player you'd fancy his chances against is Federer, who always seems to find a way to lose to him.

Start da Game
08-21-2010, 09:19 AM
don't u have anti-spam or reCAPTCHA technolofy here, MTF admins ?

A bot aka Start_da_Game comes from time to time posting the same shit.
Pls. stop abusing mtf...

Otoh, do u remember Rafawon09usopen ?

Hopefully this new bot will vanish in the same way after the qf defeat (at the Open, i mean) of the spaniard...

get lost moron......if it's that much of a pain in the arse when talking about the current world no.1 and king of tennis as the favorite for the title, you don't deserve to enter this thread.......do you even realize that we are talking about the present world no.1 who has already won 2 slams and several masters titles this year?

go ahead clown, tell me who's winning the us open if not nadal.......

Start da Game
08-21-2010, 09:27 AM
Nadal has not looked good these past two weeks but you can never count him out in best of 5 set matches.

well said, beating him in 3 set matches is a different thing and beating him in 5 set matches in slam environment is a whole different thing.......how many of these so called hardcourt dangers beat rafa in slams in the last 2 years? the last 3 times he lost in a hardcourt slam, he was injured in two matches and totally steamed out in the other.......when he was fit and playing just above average tennis, he took AO 2009.......

sabina_RF_lee
08-21-2010, 09:32 AM
He is favourite for some people because he is world N1. But I think he has no chances. Its so funny 1-2months ago all said Nadal is unstopable and hungry and etc. Well, we see what happens Nadal lost to Baghdatis, its a shame from worldd N1.

Serenidad
08-21-2010, 09:34 AM
well said, beating him in 3 set matches is a different thing and beating him in 5 set matches in slam environment is a whole different thing.......how many of these so called hardcourt dangers beat rafa in slams in the last 2 years? the last 3 times he lost in a hardcourt slam, he was injured in two matches and totally steamed out in the other.......when he was fit and playing just above average tennis, he took AO 2009.......

He can barely beat Alun Jones @ the USO.

careergrandslam
08-21-2010, 09:37 AM
stop asking stupid questions.

ur putting a guy that cant even reach a USO final and is comning off a drought of 18 months without a hardcourt title as favourite in one of the fastest courts in the world?

absolutely outrageous question.

madmax
08-21-2010, 09:47 AM
http://www.lolblog.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/facepalm.jpg

born_on_clay
08-21-2010, 10:30 AM
There is no clear favorite for US open this year. Fact.

I agree with that

Machiavelli
08-21-2010, 10:36 AM
Did anyone watch Nadal play last night, or against Benneteau?

It was all about Baggy, the only thing that helps Nadal is that it is best of 5 at teh USOpen; i don't see him beating teh top guys, hell even an inspired Chardy or Malisse could hit him off the court....

paseo
08-21-2010, 11:12 AM
beating him in 3 set matches is a different thing and beating him in 5 set matches in slam environment is a whole different thing

This is true. I doubt Baghdatis would have beat him if it was a best of 5. But Murray would, though.

dombrfc
08-21-2010, 11:21 AM
I'd say there isnt a favorite. Or not a clear one. Federer then Murray then Nadal maybe, but its hard to speculate.

MacTheKnife
08-21-2010, 11:22 AM
There is no way nadal could conceivably be considered the favorite to win the USO. At this point, I don't think there is a clear favorite. Maybe the picture will be a little clearer after this weekend, but I doubt it. What if bagman or fish win this tournament. Then what.. :lol:

borracho
08-21-2010, 11:23 AM
...

4. it's good to experiment and lose in events like these than experimenting in slams.......those 41 unforced errors and repetitive use of slice should suggest that he was trying something different out there.......

...

exaclty what I was thinking yesterday, Nadal can allways switch pack to his pushing game, which he didn't yesterday.

But even if he does, I give both Federer and Murray better chances of winning the US Open.

Sophocles
08-21-2010, 11:38 AM
A truly moronic thread from by far the most unintelligent poster on MTF. And by God that's saying something. Who turns on this cretin's computer for him? And, why?

TheBoiledEgg
08-21-2010, 12:35 PM
there's 10 or more ahead of Rafa for US Open.

nalbyfan
08-21-2010, 01:04 PM
There is no favorite this year, all are outsiders (RF, RN, Djok, Muzza) and probably a surprise like Delpo last year, it would be more interesting than the usual top 4

Ivanatis
08-21-2010, 01:04 PM
self-persuasion at its best:p

tyruk14
08-21-2010, 01:13 PM
Back in the real world, Nadal looks like a sitting duck on this surface, as he does every single year. Even in 2008 he was outplayed by Murray at the USO and killed by Djokovic at Cincy. His main achievement was making Djokovic choke at the Olympics.

You can't write a winner like Nadal off but at the moment it's looking like any number of players could take him out. The only top player you'd fancy his chances against is Federer, who always seems to find a way to lose to him.

In fairness Nadal played very well in Beijing, and that semi-final was his match to lose IMHO, even though he was playing a better decoturf player.

But your second point is bang on the money; the top guys can make him look like a chump on decoturf. That's just the nature of Nadal's game and how you counter it.

But everyone else needs to realise that he, like Federer and the all-time greats before him, is a best-of-five player. It's going to take a lot to beat him in that format. Still, I expect to see him on Super Saturday.

cutesteve22
08-21-2010, 01:30 PM
why not? wasting too many energies in warming tourament,especially in US hardcourt is not good for him. he wouldn't have his best performance in both ATP 1000

fsoica
08-21-2010, 01:37 PM
moronic thread....moronic and agitated OP ...
my fave, you asked ?

Murray
Federer
Djokovic
Davydenko
Nalbandian
Fish
Baghdatis
Roddick
Berdych
Soderling
Ferrer
Nadal

in this order...

Everko
08-21-2010, 01:49 PM
A truly moronic thread from by far the most unintelligent poster on MTF. And by God that's saying something. Who turns on this cretin's computer for him? And, why?

there's always the personal insults approach when you can't respond to the content of the post.

habibko
08-21-2010, 01:57 PM
it's clear from the replies here that there is only one big delusional tard who still has blind faith in his idol, and that's the OP, there is no clear favorite for the USO this year, but Federer edges it out because you can only respect his record in NYC, and also because he has been playing well lately, he has had better results than this supposed "clear favorite" Nadal in Toronto and Cincy.

careergrandslam
08-21-2010, 02:07 PM
it's clear from the replies here that there is only one big delusional tard who still has blind faith in his idol, and that's the OP, there is no clear favorite for the USO this year, but Federer edges it out because you can only respect his record in NYC, and also because he has been playing well lately, he has had better results than this supposed "clear favorite" Nadal in Toronto and Cincy.

ofcourse federer is favourite at the USO, if he isnt favourite then its like saying rafa is not favourite for the FO.

Fed Fan
08-21-2010, 02:17 PM
I think Federer and Murray are the favourites. When he wasn't tired in Canada, Murray was playing some good, attacking tennis, and he looks so much better for it. After his Australian Open beat down at the hands of Federer, I'd like to think Murray has gained some experience on how to approach grandslams.

Federer clearly knows how to win and his movement seems to have returned. If he can get to the final without playing too many long matches or doesn't have to play the day before as he did last year, he could be very dangerous. If Federer gets his volleys to the same standard as they were in the early 2000s, he could do a bit more damage at the net as well.

Nadal is more likely to get put out of the tournament before the final. However, if he does get to the final and faces Federer, Nadal might possibly be favourite given the match-up issue.

Sophocles
08-21-2010, 02:19 PM
there's always the personal insults approach when you can't respond to the content of the post.

This time the content of the post wasn't worth responding to.

straitup
08-21-2010, 02:35 PM
moronic thread....moronic and agitated OP ...
my fave, you asked ?

Murray
Federer
Djokovic
Davydenko
Nalbandian
Fish
Baghdatis
Roddick
Berdych
Soderling
Ferrer
Nadal

in this order...

Delusional.

Rafa's a favorite but no way in hell is he the favorite. He's proven that he won't lose out in early rounds of slams even on his worst surface, because the slam mentality is so different. But still

FedforFrench
08-21-2010, 02:57 PM
if it's that much of a pain in the arse when talking about the current world no.1 and king of tennis as the favorite for the title, you don't deserve to enter this thread.......do you even realize that we are talking about the present world no.1 who has already won 2 slams and several masters titles this year?

go ahead clown, tell me who's winning the us open if not nadal.......

All the years when federer was # 1, entering into French Open, he was never the favourite because it was his weakest surface. Same holds here, although I am sure taking out Nadal in best of 5 sets is always difficult for anyone not named Del Potro..

B787
08-21-2010, 03:43 PM
well said, beating him in 3 set matches is a different thing and beating him in 5 set matches in slam environment is a whole different thing.......how many of these so called hardcourt dangers beat rafa in slams in the last 2 years? the last 3 times he lost in a hardcourt slam, he was injured in two matches and totally steamed out in the other.......when he was fit and playing just above average tennis, he took AO 2009.......

He is always injured when he loses...... :)
Yesterday he was, just as he was last week in Canada.......
C'mon, give me break mate.....

What if he draws Naldandian in the 1st or 2nd round of US Open ? I think that he will lose.
Many guys inside top 30 could beat him in the best of 5 at this quicker HC's. It will depend a lot on the draw...

But personally I think he will not reach semis this year.

green25814
08-21-2010, 04:37 PM
As many have said, there is no clear favourite. If you put a gun to my head, I'd say Federer, but I wouldn't be confident in doing so.

Of course Nadal has a chance, but its quite a slim one imo.

Ozone
08-21-2010, 04:45 PM
Wildcard NCAA champion Bradley Klahn is the favoite here, with playoff winner Tim Smyczek cloe behind

Michael Bluth
08-21-2010, 04:49 PM
He is undoubtedly one of the favorites, but I'd rank Federer and Murray ahead of him. Nadal hasn't really looked impressive on hard courts since the AO 2009 (was lucky to win Indian Wells).

DrJules
08-21-2010, 05:25 PM
no one knows better than rafa how to take the game to the next level in slams and deal with clutch situations.......he is the top favorite according to me.......discuss.......

Next time you post please "Start da Brain" first before you post.

A 16 times GS winner (Nadal has highly credible 8) and 5 times in a row US Open winner (Nadal has nil of these) is a better answer to your comment.

Start da Game
08-21-2010, 05:33 PM
there's always the personal insults approach when you can't respond to the content of the post.

he has nursed a semi as his god fed looks good to take this clown event in cincinnatti where his pigeons baghdatis and roddick are waiting in the semis and finals.......hence all that clown talk from sophoducks.......

fedtards these days are desperate for slams and they just can't find them these days.......what adds to their misery is, they just cannot stand nadal winning.......

Start da Game
08-21-2010, 05:42 PM
it's clear from the replies here that there is only one big delusional tard who still has blind faith in his idol, and that's the OP, there is no clear favorite for the USO this year, but Federer edges it out because you can only respect his record in NYC, and also because he has been playing well lately, he has had better results than this supposed "clear favorite" Nadal in Toronto and Cincy.

your favorite is not winning the us open, you can make huge bets over it and get rich.......history means jackshit......us open 2010 cannot be played in 2005 or 2006, it can only be played in 2010.......what you are capable now is what counts in the present......what did del potro win before us open 2009?

and what's with that sig? anyone with half brain here knows that vida is 1000 times more knowledgeable and objective than you have ever been and you have his post in your sig insulting him.......one will lose count if he tries to find out how many people are laughing at your sig.......

Smasher
08-21-2010, 05:47 PM
No clear favourite to win the USO for the first time in a while imo. If I had to pick someone right now, I would say Federer followed closely by Murray.

And Start da Game, you try too hard

Sophocles
08-21-2010, 05:48 PM
he has nursed a semi as his god fed looks good to take this clown event in cincinnatti where his pigeons baghdatis and roddick are waiting in the semis and finals.......hence all that clown talk from sophoducks.......

fedtards these days are desperate for slams and they just can't find them these days.......what adds to their misery is, they just cannot stand nadal winning.......

I've just been savaged by a dead sheep.

viruzzz
08-21-2010, 05:57 PM
If you people think Nadal is the favorite, you didn't read the seeds yet.
There are so many people over him, Djokovic, Federer, Murray are the obviuos ones.

Certinfy
08-21-2010, 05:59 PM
The day Nadal becomes the favourite to win the USO is the day tennis dies.

sammy01
08-21-2010, 05:59 PM
i think you still have to back nadal to beat baggy in best of 5 on hardcourts, as well as just about every other player not in the top 8 right now. once nadal is into the qtrs or semis anything can happen.

i don't see any big favourite, i wouldn't be surprised to see nadal with the trophy, but i wouldn't be surprised to see him losing in the qtrs or semis.

Start da Game
08-21-2010, 06:00 PM
Next time you post please "Start da Brain" first before you post.

A 16 times GS winner (Nadal has highly credible 8) and 5 times in a row US Open winner (Nadal has nil of these) is a better answer to your comment.

16 means nothing, 8 means nothing........it's all about now, what they can do this year.......no one is more clutch than nadal no matter how much you want that to be untrue.......with all these insulting posts, i sense a very tense atmosphere among numerous fedtards and they(you included) just won't be able to take the end result of us open 2010 if they are showing this kind of attitude already.......

what up with these outrageously insulting replies? tell me who is the world no.1 and who has won the two biggest tennis titles on earth this year? the answer itself terrifies people like you and has created endless nightmares in the past.......i sense it's going to happen once more at the us open this time.......

no one wants the us open more than nadal......who else is winning it if not him? list all the players who have beaten him in the last 2 years on hardcourt slams? only andy murray among the players present in the list and he was lucky on both the occasions.......

baghdatis, gasquet, gonzalez, fish etc. maybe good for 3 sets against not so motivated top opponents, but they all got fried by a half fit nadal in hardcourt slams.......

federer cannot stop choking as soon as he finds nadal on the other side of the net......djokovic is not a force really these days.......murray is the only notable hurdle and a grand final is expected between them anyway.......any guesses about who is almost unbeatable when he reaches slam finals?

Sri
08-21-2010, 06:03 PM
16 means nothing, 8 means nothing........it's all about now, what they can do this year.......no one is more clutch than nadal no matter how much you want that to be untrue.......with all these insulting posts, i sense a very tense atmosphere among numerous fedtards and they(you included) just won't be able to take the end result of us open 2010 if they are showing this kind of attitude already.......

what up with these outrageously insulting replies? tell me who is the world no.1 and who has won the two biggest tennis titles on earth this year? the answer itself terrifies people like you and has created endless nightmares in the past.......i sense it's going to happen once more at the us open this time.......

no one wants the us open more than nadal......who else is winning it if not him? list all the players who have beaten him in the last 2 years on hardcourt slams? only andy murray among the players present in the list and he was lucky on both the occasions.......

baghdatis, gasquet, gonzalez, fish etc. maybe good for 3 sets against not so motivated top opponents, but they all got fried by a half fit nadal in hardcourt slams.......

federer cannot stop choking as soon as he finds nadal on the other side of the net......djokovic is not a force really these days.......murray is the only notable hurdle and a grand final is expected between them anyway.......any guesses about who is almost unbeatable when he reaches slam finals?
What a troll this "Start da game"... bah!

Start da Game
08-21-2010, 06:05 PM
I've just been savaged by a dead sheep.

are you that useless?

madmax
08-21-2010, 06:08 PM
16 means nothing, 8 means nothing........it's all about now, what they can do this year.......no one is more clutch than nadal no matter how much you want that to be untrue.......with all these insulting posts, i sense a very tense atmosphere among numerous fedtards and they(you included) just won't be able to take the end result of us open 2010 if they are showing this kind of attitude already.......

what up with these outrageously insulting replies? tell me who is the world no.1 and who has won the two biggest tennis titles on earth this year? the answer itself terrifies people like you and has created endless nightmares in the past.......i sense it's going to happen once more at the us open this time.......

no one wants the us open more than nadal......who else is winning it if not him? list all the players who have beaten him in the last 2 years on hardcourt slams? only andy murray among the players present in the list and he was lucky on both the occasions.......

baghdatis, gasquet, gonzalez, fish etc. maybe good for 3 sets against not so motivated top opponents, but they all got fried by a half fit nadal in hardcourt slams.......

federer cannot stop choking as soon as he finds nadal on the other side of the net......djokovic is not a force really these days.......murray is the only notable hurdle and a grand final is expected between them anyway.......any guesses about who is almost unbeatable when he reaches slam finals?

dude...give it up already - your boy ain't sniffing any US Open title as long as it is played on fast Decoturf:wavey:

Start da Game
08-21-2010, 06:10 PM
i think you still have to back nadal to beat baggy in best of 5 on hardcourts, as well as just about every other player not in the top 8 right now. once nadal is into the qtrs or semis anything can happen.

i don't see any big favourite, i wouldn't be surprised to see nadal with the trophy, but i wouldn't be surprised to see him losing in the qtrs or semis.

well said, that is what i am conveying as well.......nadal maynot be a heavy favorite, he never was for us open.......but still he is the top favorite by a close margin one could say.......one defeat in a 3 set match due to lack of sufficient practice means nothing in larger scheme of things.......much bigger event is waiting in newyork and there's no point in fighting for cincinnatti like there's no tomorrow.......

HKz
08-21-2010, 06:17 PM
get lost moron......if it's that much of a pain in the arse when talking about the current world no.1 and king of tennis as the favorite for the title, you don't deserve to enter this thread.......do you even realize that we are talking about the present world no.1 who has already won 2 slams and several masters titles this year?

go ahead clown, tell me who's winning the us open if not nadal.......

You're the moron.

BigJohn
08-21-2010, 06:18 PM
well said, that is what i am conveying as well.......nadal maynot be a heavy favorite, he never was for us open.......but still he is the top favorite by a close margin one could say.......one defeat in a 3 set match due to lack of sufficient practice means nothing in larger scheme of things.......much bigger event is waiting in newyork and there's no point in fighting for cincinnatti like there's no tomorrow.......

And this year is different because?..

decrepitude
08-21-2010, 06:19 PM
Where did you learn English, Start da Game? Didn't they teach you punctuation? All these dots are giving me spots before the eyes. And doesn't your computer have a shift key to give you capital letters?

BigJohn
08-21-2010, 06:24 PM
Where did you learn English, Start da Game? Didn't they teach you punctuation? All these dots are giving me spots before the eyes. And doesn't your computer have a shift key to give you capital letters?

It's edgy and rad, like wearing capri pants and sleeveless shirts.

decrepitude
08-21-2010, 06:27 PM
It's edgy and rad, like wearing capri pants and sleeveless shirts.

Surely they are out of date now? Their time was early-Nadal period.

careergrandslam
08-21-2010, 06:29 PM
Where did you learn English, Start da Game? Didn't they teach you punctuation? All these dots are giving me spots before the eyes. And doesn't your computer have a shift key to give you capital letters?

people dont come here to write perfect essays.
its a discussion.
the last thing i care about is grammar, spelling and all that nonsense.

u want punctuation, go read a book.

BigJohn
08-21-2010, 06:30 PM
Surely they are out of date now? Their time was early-Nadal period.

Still in his avatar.

kobulingam
08-21-2010, 06:32 PM
The guy who made 6 straight finals, won the first 5 of those and lost the last one due to a bad back. That guy is the favourite.

Sapeod
08-21-2010, 06:33 PM
Federer and Murray are the favourites.

Then Djokovic, Berdych, Soderling, Roddick (he seems to be playing well now) and Baghdatis (if he continues playing better and better) are all above Nadal.

Nadal is nowhere near being the favourite.

Start da Game
08-21-2010, 06:35 PM
The guy who made 6 straight finals, won the first 5 of those and lost the last one due to a bad back. That guy is the favourite.

all that = history and means nothing as far as this year's tournament is concerned.......he still has to play and beat 7 players to win the title.......and bad back? i thought it was mono + depression due to lack of sleep (kids) + bad back?

Macbrother
08-21-2010, 06:40 PM
all that = history and means nothing as far as this year's tournament is concerned.......he still has to play and beat 7 players to win the title.......and bad back? i thought it was mono + depression due to lack of sleep (kids) + bad back?

You of all people criticizing someone's excuses? :haha:

HKz
08-21-2010, 06:41 PM
all that = history and means nothing as far as this year's tournament is concerned.......he still has to play and beat 7 players to win the title.......and bad back? i thought it was mono + depression due to lack of sleep (kids) + bad back?

Start da fail being more fail.

BigJohn
08-21-2010, 06:43 PM
all that = history and means nothing as far as this year's tournament is concerned.......

OK, so we have to rely on current form? Nadal did not do too well there...

Beaten by Murray and Badghatis... did not make it pass the semis...

Start da Game
08-21-2010, 06:47 PM
Start da fail being more fail.

rename yourself pcc(pisstake contest champion) girl.......did you ever contribute anything meaningful to mtf?

finn98
08-21-2010, 06:48 PM
all that = history and means nothing as far as this year's tournament is concerned.......he still has to play and beat 7 players to win the title.......and bad back? i thought it was mono + depression due to lack of sleep (kids) + bad back?

:worship::worship::worship: :spit::spit:

Johnny Groove
08-21-2010, 06:49 PM
Current odds.

Federer- 3.65
Nadal- 4.2
Murray- 4.9
Djokovic- 16.5
Soderling- 23
Roddick- 25
Berdych- 29
Nalbandian- 42
Baghdatis- 55
Davydenko- 60
Fish- 85

The guy who made 6 straight finals, won the first 5 of those and lost the last one due to a bad back. That guy is the favourite.

Yes.

Federer is obviously the favorite for the USO.

Murray has simply got Nadal's number on hardcourt.

Start da Game
08-21-2010, 06:50 PM
OK, so we have to rely on current form? Nadal did not do too well there...

Beaten by Murray and Badghatis... did not make it pass the semis...

nadal takes time to get his tennis going, especially after treatments and he is saving his best for the us open.......we will see him playing his usual brand of unrelenting tennis there.......not the unforced error spree kind.......

defeats in 3 setters means nothing for slams.......nadal being half fit, fried these same players in hardcourt slams.......he is fully fit this year and ready to go.......

HKz
08-21-2010, 06:51 PM
rename yourself pcc(pisstake contest champion) girl.......did you ever contribute anything meaningful to mtf?

Lmfao, you're an absolute fail, Start da fail. By the way, I'm a guy :) go fail some more. I would think I contribute quite a lot more than you. Go cry about it to Nadal now.

BigJohn
08-21-2010, 06:57 PM
nadal takes time to get his tennis going, especially after treatments and he is saving his best for the us open.......we will see him playing his usual brand of unrelenting tennis there.......not the unforced error spree kind.......

Is that based on history? Because history means nothing as far as this year's tournament is concerned......

defeats in 3 setters means nothing for slams.......nadal being half fit, fried these same players in hardcourt slams.......he is fully fit this year and ready to go.......

He just got beat by a not super fit Bag, Kohlschreiber and Benneteau gave him problems.

mark73
08-21-2010, 06:58 PM
nadal takes time to get his tennis going, especially after treatments and he is saving his best for the us open.......we will see him playing his usual brand of unrelenting tennis there.......not the unforced error spree kind.......

defeats in 3 setters means nothing for slams.......nadal being half fit, fried these same players in hardcourt slams.......he is fully fit this year and ready to go.......

So the past is irrelevant as is current form (near past). You can only base predictions on past events, but this is an idea I do not expect you to understand.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
08-21-2010, 06:58 PM
great odds for roddick and murray

i'd wager a couple of notes on both of them

nadal.... i dont thiink he'll win, he can win, but i dont see it happening... not unless he plays much better

Arkulari
08-21-2010, 07:02 PM
according to you probably, everyone else will say Federer.

This :)

if this was RG or Wimbledon I would say Rafa is the absolute favorite, but this is his worst surface and he's not as mentally confident on it as he is on clay and grass (the DF to give Baggy the opportunity to serve for the match is something Rafa wouldn't do in other surface, even if it was a 250 event)

careergrandslam
08-21-2010, 07:02 PM
nadal takes time to get his tennis going, especially after treatments and he is saving his best for the us open.......we will see him playing his usual brand of unrelenting tennis there.......not the unforced error spree kind.......

defeats in 3 setters means nothing for slams.......nadal being half fit, fried these same players in hardcourt slams.......he is fully fit this year and ready to go.......

u are making people hate nadal even more.
happy?

why do u need to do these stupid threads?

rafa aint going to win the USO this year or any year.
its pretty clear to anyone that saw him play these past 2 weeks.

he doesnt understand the hardcourt game like he does clay and grass.
his return on HC are awful, and his movement is poor on HC especially when moving to his forehand side.

i will be surprised if he makes the 2nd week at the USO this year.
alot of things has to go his way in order to win a HC tournament, an easy draw, choking opponents and rafa playing to his absolute best.
if all the stars aligned perfectly, then he might get to a final, but will get thrashed in the final.

BigJohn
08-21-2010, 07:14 PM
u are making people hate nadal even more.
happy?

why do u need to do these stupid threads?



No no no, most people can make the difference between Nadal and his extremely enthusiastic fans. I have some admiration for both, for different reasons.

Start da Game
08-21-2010, 07:18 PM
u are making people hate nadal even more.
happy?

why do u need to do these stupid threads?

rafa aint going to win the USO this year or any year.
its pretty clear to anyone that saw him play these past 2 weeks.

he doesnt understand the hardcourt game like he does clay and grass.
his return on HC are awful, and his movement is poor on HC especially when moving to his forehand side.

i will be surprised if he makes the 2nd week at the USO this year.
alot of things has to go his way in order to win a HC tournament, an easy draw, choking opponents and rafa playing to his absolute best.
if all the stars aligned perfectly, then he might get to a final, but will get thrashed in the final.

you will see in 25 days.......his fans world over are holding a strong belief over this tournament this year and believe that he has plans to fight on and on and give all he can to win the title......luckily this time, he will be going into the tournament being fully fit and not much spent......

don't lose your hope yet.......the process happens slowly, match by match.......he takes 2-3 rounds to get his tennis going in newyork.......from there the real business starts and it will be tougher and tougher to beat him as the final approaches simply because no one wants it more than him.......

we have been hearing cock and bull stories on how murray will win his first slam since us open 2008 but it never happened and he has a bad habit of choking in slams.......fed will choke even if nadal just shows up and holds a tennis racket.......forget about djokovic......

no stopping nadal.......he might already be planning his strategies and approach towards the whole slam, while fed and rod are still busy with that insignificant event in ohio.......

HKz
08-21-2010, 07:22 PM
you will see in 25 days.......his fans world over are holding a strong belief over this tournament this year and believe that he has plans to fight on and on and give all he can to win the title......luckily this time, he will be going into the tournament being fully fit and not much spent......

don't lose your hope yet.......the process happens slowly, match by match.......he takes 2-3 rounds to get his tennis going in newyork.......from there the real business starts and it will be tougher and tougher to beat him as the final approaches simply because no one wants it more than him.......

we have been hearing cock and bull stories on how murray will win his first slam since us open 2008 but it never happened and he has a bad habit of choking in slams.......fed will choke even if nadal just shows up and holds a tennis racket.......forget about djokovic......

no stopping nadal.......he might already be planning his strategies and approach towards the whole slam, while fed and rod are still busy with that insignificant event in ohio.......

I thought Nadal = biggest fighter in the world that cares about every match/tournament and Federer only cares about slams yet Federer is still in contention for the title and Nadal isn't?

Sapeod
08-21-2010, 07:27 PM
girl.......did you ever contribute anything meaningful to mtf?
Have you.........................................except for huge amounts of fail?

Sapeod
08-21-2010, 07:29 PM
I thought Nadal = biggest fighter in the world that cares about every match/tournament and Federer only cares about slams yet Federer is still in contention for the title and Nadal isn't?
Start da Trolling is running out of excuses fast.
Soon he will be critisizing how people moonball too much, how people cheat against Nadal and how the ATP is against Nadal for not making the US Open slow for him :lol:

BigJohn
08-21-2010, 07:30 PM
I think this is how this works:

1- if current form and/or history are in favor Federer, it is irrelevant.

2- if current form and/or history are not in favor Nadal it is irrelevant.

Sapeod
08-21-2010, 07:31 PM
I think Start da Game is aiming for............................................... .............ACC 2010 title.

Sapeod
08-21-2010, 07:32 PM
I think this is how this works:

1- if current form and/or history are in favor Federer, it is irrelevant.

2- if current form and/or history are not in favor Nadal it is irrelevant.
If anything makes Nadal look bad, it is irrelevent.
If anything makes Federer look good, it is irrelevent.

brent-o
08-21-2010, 08:09 PM
I really don't think you can call Nadal THE favorite after his awful play the last few weeks. For sure, he is A favorite. He's always in the top 10 results-wise on hardcourts, no matter what the morons would have you believe, so maybe he'll find his game eventually.

That being said, I think Federer should definitely be the top favorite. Even though he's not as dominant before, year after year when people have been proclaiming his demise, he's really found his winning ways at the Open. It's a wonderful surface for him. He's by no means a lock to win it, but I wouldn't be surprise if he turns into Ninja Fed again.

As for Murray, please. I like Murray, love his game and all. But I'm extremely cautious about calling him a favorite for anything. The last time I think people were pronouncing him the favorite was at the Aussie a year or two back, and he laughably crashed out. He sure can tear it up on non-Slam hardcourt tourneys, but I've yet to see him be anything but passive and a shadow of himself in the latter stages of GS. I'd rate Murray's chances just the same as about anybody in the top 20/30 though. Capable, but not a safe bet by any means.

fsoica
08-21-2010, 08:42 PM
Start da fail, sorry for not answering you in the first place with the words u wanna hear :

Yeah, man, you are so right !
Raf is the fav !

So pls. stop killing urself and losing sleep over his (piggy's) chances.

If he'll fail your expectations again u can still try the same pathetic thread next year :)

A_Skywalker
08-21-2010, 10:13 PM
he is not the favorite, the bookies have him 2nd and I belibe it is right, FEderer is only first favorite because he has won it, I think Murray has better chance to win than FEderer and Nadal. He will not play the final like 2008 if he gets to it.

Persimmon
08-21-2010, 10:52 PM
if nadal's not the favorite for the us open, who else is the favorite? i question again, who else is the favorite? will it be murray who played like crap on his favorite surface and lost to fish? or will it be federer who hasn't won an ATP singles title in ages? will it be djokovic who has lost his way in tennis?

nadal is still the top favorite for the us open for the following reasons.......

1. rafa takes his time to get a feel of things.......the recovery time he took after the knee treatment made him ready for tennis again but that was never going to guarantee any immediate success.......defeats in toronto and cinci do not suggest much about what he is capable of in the us open.......

2. hardcourts being his worst surfaces, sufficient matchplay(which he has now for uso) was always going to be minimum requirement for even little success.......

3. despite horrible form, fitness and lack of confidence last year, he made it to the semis and only lost to the eventual title winner.......he is fit and ready to play this time, unlike last year.......

4. it's good to experiment and lose in events like these than experimenting in slams.......those 41 unforced errors and repetitive use of slice should suggest that he was trying something different out there.......

5. agreed that the backhand has been disappointing lately but it's good that he is going to find the range at the right time.......

6. fit and ready, 7 matches of good enough hitting and various experiments on different groundstrokes, i think he now knows how to approach the slam and also how to win it.......

no one knows better than rafa how to take the game to the next level in slams and deal with clutch situations.......he is the top favorite according to me.......discuss.......

Lay off the crack pipe...

fran70
08-21-2010, 11:16 PM
I don`t think Nadal is the favourite to win the USO but there is not a clear one to win it either. Just check the performances of the top 10 during the US swing and you will find that except of Murray on these past two weeks nobody is having a stroke of good results.

* Nadal: He has so many troubles as always on hard courts and especially at this time of the year. Nobody can seriously expect him to think that he is the favourite to win.
* Federer: He has so many mental lapses during matches and he has been struggling with them along the year long that right now it`s hard to say that he is the favourite to win it.
* Murray; Probably he may look like the candidate to win according to his last two week performances in Montreal and Cincinati but will see if he can keep that level at the USO. Don`t forget how unstable he looked during the Los Angeles tournament and that he always tends to struggle with his confidence on the last week of every GS.
* Djokovic: Another one that some days play some great tennis but the day after is a shadow of himself.
* Soderling, Davydenko, Cilic and Roddick who could be mentioned in advance as candidates to win here had been struggling with their tennis lately and no one of them can be considered as candidates to win.

So this time the one that can be quite consistent along the two weeks is the one that is going to win. But it will be difficult to predict in advance who can be serious contenders to win the US Open.

paseo
08-22-2010, 01:03 AM
no one wants the us open more than nadal......

I don't know about that. I'm guessing there's a LOT of players that want it just as much as Nadal.

fed will choke even if nadal just shows up and holds a tennis racket.......

:lol: As absurd as this sounds, it's not out of the realm of possibility. But that means you admit that Fed is a better player than Nadal, and most of his losses are chokes.

andylovesaustin
08-22-2010, 01:09 AM
Is Rafa still #1 in the world?

Maybe promotion? I like his little commercial about the gambas pasta recipe.

I'd LOVE to see Rafito take the Open... but.. I don't know if it's gonna happen.. this year. I'd love it if he did though. I'd love to see history being made..

But Rafito no likie the hard courts. :shrug:

He's pretty in pink though. I'll give him that! :hatoff:

Filo V.
08-22-2010, 02:57 AM
Rafa isn't THE favorite, but he is among the favorites. IMO, there is no clear cut favorite this season. Rafa's game on hard court to me is better than it has been before. He's more much aggressive and serving the first serve with more authority. His issues right now stem from his ROS issues, his lack of confidence, and his serve percentages and errors in general being worse than usual. He's tinkering with his game and trying to do what it takes to win in New York. Given he is Rafa, he is definitely in with a shot. He's the healthiest he's ever been at this stage with little wear on his body. Yes, we can say how he hasn't performed well at the two masters. But when we get to the US Open, that's all in the rear mirror. And at a major, you know Rafa will bring his A game to the court. With a week of training I expect to see a much sharper Nadal come US Open time.

Clay Death
08-22-2010, 03:19 AM
Rafa isn't THE favorite, but he is among the favorites. IMO, there is no clear cut favorite this season. Rafa's game on hard court to me is better than it has been before. He's more much aggressive and serving the first serve with more authority. His issues right now stem from his ROS issues, his lack of confidence, and his serve percentages and errors in general being worse than usual. He's tinkering with his game and trying to do what it takes to win in New York. Given he is Rafa, he is definitely in with a shot. He's the healthiest he's ever been at this stage with little wear on his body. Yes, we can say how he hasn't performed well at the two masters. But when we get to the US Open, that's all in the rear mirror. And at a major, you know Rafa will bring his A game to the court. With a week of training I expect to see a much sharper Nadal come US Open time.

ultra affirmative old sport.

i think what happened in toronto and cincy happened for the best. there is no other way for this clay warrior to rest. he will not leave anything alone. i am just glad they beat him so he can go get his rest. it will also force him to learn and know what he has to do.

return of serve is his greatest liabilitry on hard courts. that is what puts so much pressure on his own relatively weak serve. he just has to find a way to get that ball back and get into a rally.

now he gets 2-3 days of extra rest and he gets to show up at flushing meadows fresh, eager, hungry, healthy, and relatively fit for a change.

Start da Game
08-22-2010, 05:31 AM
ultra affirmative old sport.

i think what happened in toronto and cincy happened for the best. there is no other way for this clay warrior to rest. he will not leave anything alone. i am just glad they beat him so he can go get his rest. it will also force him to learn and know what he has to do.

return of serve is his greatest liabilitry on hard courts. that is what puts so much pressure on his own relatively weak serve. he just has to find a way to get that ball back and get into a rally.

now he gets 2-3 days of extra rest and he gets to show up at flushing meadows fresh, eager, hungry, healthy, and relatively fit for a change.

well said hercules.......the defeats have happened for the good, it's a blessing in disguise.......he will have extra time to rest and set his strategies.......what happened in cincinnatti was experimentation.......he can fall back on his usual brand of tennis anytime he wants.......

the innumerable fedloving clowns are terrified like shit and getting restless at the very sound of "NADAL".......take a look at the number of insecure posts in this thread.......

HKz
08-22-2010, 06:24 AM
well said hercules.......the defeats have happened for the good, it's a blessing in disguise.......he will have extra time to rest and set his strategies.......what happened in cincinnatti was experimentation.......he can fall back on his usual brand of tennis anytime he wants.......

the innumerable fedloving clowns are terrified like shit and getting restless at the very sound of "NADAL".......take a look at the number of insecure posts in this thread.......

Lmfao, you're such an idiot still.

doublebackhand
08-22-2010, 06:39 AM
Seeds that have a chance of beating Nadal before the 1/4s at the USO:

Roddick
Tsongas
Ferrer
Cilic
Youzhny
Ljubicic
Baghdatis
Fish
Gulbis
Gonzalez

plus non seeds such as

Nalbandian
Petzschner
de Bakker

and that is only getting to the 1/4s, where he can play Davydenko, Berdych or Soderling...

Eden
08-22-2010, 06:55 AM
Seeds that have a chance of beating Nadal before the 1/4s at the USO:

Roddick
Tsongas
Ferrer
Cilic
Youzhny
Ljubicic
Baghdatis
Fish
Gulbis
Gonzalez

plus non seeds such as

Nalbandian
Petzschner
de Bakker

and that is only getting to the 1/4s, where he can play Davydenko, Berdych or Soderling...

Tsonga doesn't play in New York this year ;)

Let's be realistic with players who have a chance to beat Rafa in a best of 5 match. There is a difference in giving him trouble in a best of 3 match or in a match in a GS.

He will be difficult to beat in New York, no matter how he played in the recent 2 Masters. He is always finding a way to go deep into a GS and you have to have a look at the players who beat him at the USO in the last years: In 2007 he lost to Ferrer who reached the final of the Masters Cup later, in 2008 he lost to Murray who reached the final in New York and last year to Del Potro who later who the tournament.

You never know though what kind of player can trouble you in a tournament. Who would have thought that Haase or Petzschner would force Rafa to play 5 sets in Wimbledon? That doesn't mean they can trouble him in New York, but there might be another player who plays the match of his life against him.

Some of the players of the above list are out of form at the moment (Cilic, Ljubicic...) so it is highly unlikely that they will beat Rafa, but nothing in tennis is a given and that's what makes the sport so interesting.

nanoman
08-22-2010, 07:05 AM
Not favorite, but chances aren't too bad. Murray is the only player I would say is the odds-on favorite to beat him. Him drawing Djokshit, who will most likely lose before the semis, while Fed fending off the rest to bendover in the final would be a perfect scenario for him to clinch the title.

doublebackhand
08-22-2010, 07:15 AM
Tsonga doesn't play in New York this year ;)

Let's be realistic with players who have a chance to beat Rafa in a best of 5 match. There is a difference in giving him trouble in a best of 3 match or in a match in a GS.

He will be difficult to beat in New York, no matter how he played in the recent 2 Masters. He is always finding a way to go deep into a GS and you have to have a look at the players who beat him at the USO in the last years: In 2007 he lost to Ferrer who reached the final of the Masters Cup later, in 2008 he lost to Murray who reached the final in New York and last year to Del Potro who later who the tournament.

You never know though what kind of player can trouble you in a tournament. Who would have thought that Haase or Petzschner would force Rafa to play 5 sets in Wimbledon? That doesn't mean they can trouble him in New York, but there might be another player who plays the match of his life against him.

Some of the players of the above list are out of form at the moment (Cilic, Ljubicic...) so it is highly unlikely that they will beat Rafa, but nothing in tennis is a given and that's what makes the sport so interesting.

ok tsongas is not playing...the others, if they can take 2 sets off him in other tournaments, they have a chance dont they? (Cilic and Ljubicic are not in form, but if they somehow make it to R16, they have 3 matches under their belt and who knows?) furthermore, USO is hard fast courts, not the slow ones in IW, Miami or Wimbledon. Nadal has found a way to lose to various 'unexpected' players in the last few years, even in 2008 when he was in his prime.

doublebackhand
08-22-2010, 07:19 AM
Not favorite, but chances aren't too bad. Murray is the only player I would say is the odds-on favorite to beat him. Him drawing Djokshit, who will most likely lose before the semis, while Fed fending off the rest to bendover in the final would be a perfect scenario for him to clinch the title.

i will say realistically his real challenges are in the 1/4s where 3 out of 4 of his potential opponents have a good chance of beating him.

crude oil
08-22-2010, 07:53 AM
another gem of a thread by mtf's resident idiot start da fail.

nadal has a chance. but "the favorite"? LOL. federer is still a bigger favorite at RG than nadal at the usopen.

careergrandslam
08-22-2010, 08:01 AM
rafa is utterly clueless on the hardcourts in cincy and USO.

as much as i'd love for him to win the USO, im preparing for a 1st week elimination.

Eden
08-22-2010, 08:16 AM
ok tsongas is not playing...the others, if they can take 2 sets off him in other tournaments, they have a chance dont they? (Cilic and Ljubicic are not in form, but if they somehow make it to R16, they have 3 matches under their belt and who knows?) furthermore, USO is hard fast courts, not the slow ones in IW, Miami or Wimbledon. Nadal has found a way to lose to various 'unexpected' players in the last few years, even in 2008 when he was in his prime.

Every player has always a chance to beat someone, otherwise it wouldn't make sense to play a match at all. Rafa is a big tournament player like Roger. They are able to raise their level in a GS tournament, no matter how they played the tournaments before. Have a look to which players Rafa lost in the GS tournaments in the last years - everyone was able to prove that the victory against Rafa was no fluke: Gonzalez and Tsonga reached the final of the AO after beating him, Murray the final of the USO 08 and the final of the AO this year, Söderling the final of the French Open last year, Del Potro won the USO in 09.

I don't say like the poster who opened this thread that Rafa is the main favourite for New York, but I don't see that many players as you mentioned in your list with a realistic chance to beat him in a best of 5 match.

FlameOn
08-22-2010, 08:45 AM
Nadal is not going to win the US Open unless his draw completely collapses.

syc23
08-22-2010, 09:45 AM
If Federer, Djokovic, Berdych, Soderling, Murray, Gonzalez, Cillic, and Roddick all get knocked out early then the title is his.

Langers
08-22-2010, 10:57 AM
No chance.

nanoman
08-22-2010, 11:06 AM
i will say realistically his real challenges are in the 1/4s where 3 out of 4 of his potential opponents have a good chance of beating him.

Out of Berdych, Davydenko or Soderling, I'll only favour Soderling to have a slight chance to beat him. Berdych hasn't (come close to)beat Nadal in years. Davydenko is a notorious choker, so I don't see him beating Nadal in a 5 set match. Furthermore, aside from Berdych perhaps, none of them have been consistent performers lately, so Nadal might not even meet any of them.

fran70
08-22-2010, 11:43 AM
Rafa isn't THE favorite, but he is among the favorites. IMO, there is no clear cut favorite this season. Rafa's game on hard court to me is better than it has been before. He's more much aggressive and serving the first serve with more authority. His issues right now stem from his ROS issues, his lack of confidence, and his serve percentages and errors in general being worse than usual. He's tinkering with his game and trying to do what it takes to win in New York. Given he is Rafa, he is definitely in with a shot. He's the healthiest he's ever been at this stage with little wear on his body. Yes, we can say how he hasn't performed well at the two masters. But when we get to the US Open, that's all in the rear mirror. And at a major, you know Rafa will bring his A game to the court. With a week of training I expect to see a much sharper Nadal come US Open time.

You are partially right about your meanings. There`s clearly not a favourite to win and as you well said that put Rafa among other players as candidates to win the USO this year. As you well said he is playing a smarter tactic for hard courts with higher percentage of 1st serves, being more aggressive during points and with his return of serve too.

But inspite of these progresses I believe that his game on hard courts isn`t as good as Murray, Federer, Djokovic or Berdych that can still do it better on hard courts than Rafa . On the other hand, Rafa has a big attitude and plays under pressure much better than the rest which gives him in this particular situation a plus over the other players and according to their present situation is that I believe all of them has the same chancs to win it .

Helevorn
08-22-2010, 11:46 AM
If Federer, Djokovic, Berdych, Soderling, Murray, Gonzalez, Cillic, and Roddick all get knocked out early then the title is his.

mugkovic gonzalez cilic and roddick will lose on the 1st match they play

still nadal's gonna take a 3-0 or 3-1 against federer, berdych, sodo, murray and many others

Filo V.
08-22-2010, 01:51 PM
Seeds that have a chance of beating Nadal before the 1/4s at the USO:

Roddick
Tsongas
Ferrer
Cilic
Youzhny
Ljubicic
Baghdatis
Fish
Gulbis
Gonzalez

plus non seeds such as

Nalbandian
Petzschner
de Bakker

and that is only getting to the 1/4s, where he can play Davydenko, Berdych or Soderling...

I disagree with Roddick, Cilic, Ljubicic, De Bakker, Youzhny, Petzschner, Gonzalez and in a major, I don't see Baghdatis winning. The only guys there I see as real threats are Nalbandian, Ferrer, Berdych and Gulbis, and potentially Fish depending on his level. I also don't see Davydenko or Soderling beating Nadal at the US Open.

People are UNDERRATING Rafael Nadal on hard courts. He's not a fucking clown who loses to anyone. He's a top 10 player on the surface.

Filo V.
08-22-2010, 01:55 PM
I cannot believe anyone here thinks Cilic, Roddick or Gonzalez have any chance of beating Rafa at the US Open. Or Davydenko with the way he's played lately. Or even Nole, I see little chance of him winning or getting to Rafa.

The only guys that realistically are ahead of Rafa are Murray and Roger. Soderling is maybe equal with him, and that's about it. Rafa has beaten Berdych like 6 straight times, including matches on hard court, but I do think he has a chance. After that, no. Rafa is still one of the best hard court players in the game today, and people are overreacting as usual.

jrm
08-22-2010, 01:56 PM
Because he cannot suck that bad in best of 5 :shrug:

He has never done well here, history does lie!

Filo V.
08-22-2010, 01:56 PM
You are partially right about your meanings. There`s clearly not a favourite to win and as you well said that put Rafa among other players as candidates to win the USO this year. As you well said he is playing a smarter tactic for hard courts with higher percentage of 1st serves, being more aggressive during points and with his return of serve too.

But inspite of these progresses I believe that his game on hard courts isn`t as good as Murray, Federer, Djokovic or Berdych that can still do it better on hard courts than Rafa . On the other hand, Rafa has a big attitude and plays under pressure much better than the rest which gives him in this particular situation a plus over the other players and according to their present situation is that I believe all of them has the same chancs to win it .

Yes, I agree with everything you say here.

Start da Game
08-22-2010, 03:01 PM
Every player has always a chance to beat someone, otherwise it wouldn't make sense to play a match at all. Rafa is a big tournament player like Roger. They are able to raise their level in a GS tournament, no matter how they played the tournaments before. Have a look to which players Rafa lost in the GS tournaments in the last years - everyone was able to prove that the victory against Rafa was no fluke: Gonzalez and Tsonga reached the final of the AO after beating him, Murray the final of the USO 08 and the final of the AO this year, Söderling the final of the French Open last year, Del Potro won the USO in 09.

I don't say like the poster who opened this thread that Rafa is the main favourite for New York, but I don't see that many players as you mentioned in your list with a realistic chance to beat him in a best of 5 match.

i never said nadal is the heavy favorite for the title, i said he is still the top favorite.......he just edges out anyone out there who are in with a chance.......murray and federer are definitely the other favorites but nadal owns fed and murray has a habit of choking in slams.......besides that i am not convinced that he beat nadal in a slam when nadal was fit.......

people said the same about soderling in 09 french open, we all know what happened this year.......nadal walked in fit and the swede did not know where to hide.......

both times when nadal was fit, murray got chargrilled.......agreed that murray's best surfaces are hardcourts but i still have my doubts over his ability to topple a fit nadal on any surface in a slam match.......

slams is where nadal brings his very best tennis and he won't be facing murray or federer until the semis, by then he will be in the zone and playing top quality tennis.......

also the lower expectations now after toronto and cinci defeats help nadal, get rid of pressure and put the onus of winning back on federer and murray.......

nadal experimented in cincinnatti and i bet he won't be playing that way in the us open.......he will fall back on his normal 'percentages tennis' with a bit of aggression in the mix......the backhand and return will start getting better once he gets done with the first 3 or 4 rounds.......

it's good that rafa will be peaking at the right time and nadal fans world over are glad that he is walking into the us open injury free and fresh for the first time since 2006.......

Sophocles
08-22-2010, 03:10 PM
Or even Nole, I see little chance of him winning or getting to Rafa.

Djokovic owns Nadal on hard courts.

Manequin75
08-22-2010, 03:45 PM
Roger is the TOP favorite for the USO this year. There is no question about that. Murray is the second favorite. I fancy his chances against anyone not named Roger Federer in a best of 5 set format.

Rafa in my opinion is #3 but he will always be vulnerable to some red hot player playing lights out power tennis much much moreso than Roger, Murray.

But then again Rafa is a champion and he certainly can make the adjustments and go flat out and win the USO. Sure he can. He has good enough chances this year. Anybody who says he has NO chance obviosly knows nothing about tennis.

straitup
08-22-2010, 03:47 PM
Roger is the TOP favorite for the USO this year. There is no question about that. Murray is the second favorite. I fancy his chances against anyone not named Roger Federer in a best of 5 set format.

Rafa in my opinion is #3 but he will always be vulnerable to some red hot player playing lights out power tennis much much moreso than Roger, Murray.

But then again Rafa is a champion and he certainly can make the adjustments and go flat out and win the USO. Sure he can. He has good enough chances this year. Anybody who says he has NO chance obviosly knows nothing about tennis.

Yes exactly...that is the beauty of best of 5 for him though, a red hot player more likely than not will have trouble sustaining their play and that's where Rafa can also come in and wear them down.

Hellraiser
08-22-2010, 03:52 PM
Give him Llodra, de Bakker, Blake or Ollie in early round and Nadal gonna have difficult games.

Start da Game
08-22-2010, 03:56 PM
Roger is the TOP favorite for the USO this year. There is no question about that. Murray is the second favorite. I fancy his chances against anyone not named Roger Federer in a best of 5 set format.

Rafa in my opinion is #3 but he will always be vulnerable to some red hot player playing lights out power tennis much much moreso than Roger, Murray.

But then again Rafa is a champion and he certainly can make the adjustments and go flat out and win the USO. Sure he can. He has good enough chances this year. Anybody who says he has NO chance obviosly knows nothing about tennis.

well said, i have no issues with posts like this.......some people find it tough to realize that there's no need to throw insults and get spanked back with even more intensity.......i see your points and i agree with a few of them.......however i feel that not many players have a chance against rafa in any slam these days.......

those red hot players will have to win not 2 but 3 sets in grandslam environment and that is where nadal's big match play experience and fighting qualities come into picture.......

basically it comes down to rafa, fed and murray if you ask me.......nadal i don't think will lose to fed on any surface.......we are then left with murray and i am not convinced with him either for the reasons i stated above.......

Start da Game
08-22-2010, 04:00 PM
Give him Llodra, de Bakker, Blake or Ollie in early round and Nadal gonna have difficult games.

nadal will win the first 3 rounds ugly no matter who the opponents are.......he is not naturally talented enough to straightaway start hitting winners left and right......the first 3 rounds provide the required momentum and direct him towards the exact approach he needs to adopt for further rounds.......that is what usually happens in slams with nadal......

HKz
08-22-2010, 04:01 PM
well said, i have no issues with posts like this.......some people find it tough to realize that there's no need to throw insults and get spanked back with even more intensity.......i see your points and i agree with a few of them.......however i feel that not many players have a chance against rafa in any slam these days.......

those red hot players will have to win not 2 but 3 sets in grandslam environment and that is where nadal's big match play experience and fighting qualities come into picture.......

basically it comes down to rafa, fed and murray if you ask me.......nadal i don't think will lose to fed on any surface.......we are then left with murray and i am not convinced with him either for the reasons i stated above.......

Lmfao you gave in you silly rabbit. Don't tell me bullshit and say that this is what you were trying to save the entire time. Because according to the OP, you claim Nadal should be
the favorite
THE FAVORITE means THE FAVORITE. Now unless you're English is terrible, which clearly isn't the case since everyone can see how terrible you are when you try to downgrade Federer's achievements, then you are clearly a fail.

Don't worry, you will end up on this list soon enough - http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=91035

Start da Game
08-22-2010, 04:13 PM
Lmfao you gave in you silly rabbit. Don't tell me bullshit and say that this is what you were trying to save the entire time. Because according to the OP, you claim Nadal should be

THE FAVORITE means THE FAVORITE. Now unless you're English is terrible, which clearly isn't the case since everyone can see how terrible you are when you try to downgrade Federer's achievements, then you are clearly a fail.

Don't worry, you will end up on this list soon enough - http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=91035

i have no business with teen girls like you who are always after young nadal fans like me.......

the favorite can also mean top favorite or heavy favorite, not that he is the only favorite.......in this case i meant the top favorite because he edges out the others due to the reasons i mentioned above.......definite article needn't always imply singularity.......

Manequin75
08-22-2010, 04:21 PM
Lmfao you gave in you silly rabbit. Don't tell me bullshit and say that this is what you were trying to save the entire time. Because according to the OP, you claim Nadal should be

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=91035[/url]

a very condescending response calling someone a silly rabbit. Even if someone has extreme bias for his favorite, it doesn't give anyone the right to call this poster names. Ignore him and move on or rebute in a manner which is befitting an open public forum.

Im definitely giving a negative comment to this post. Others who are in favor of keeping this forum clean of personal attacks should do the same.

straitup
08-22-2010, 04:29 PM
Give him Llodra, de Bakker, Blake or Ollie in early round and Nadal gonna have difficult games.

:spit:

BigJohn
08-22-2010, 04:51 PM
Can someone explain to me:

1- in case of Nadal, history at the USO (bad) is not relevant, history at RG and to a lesser extent Wimbledon (good) is relevant and current form on HC (not good) is meaningless.

when

2- for Federer, history at the USO (very good) is declared not relevant, history at other slams (good) is not relevant and current form (good) is not relevant.

I find this pretty difficult to follow.

Start da Game
08-22-2010, 05:10 PM
Can someone explain to me:

1- in case of Nadal, history at the USO (bad) is not relevant, history at RG and to a lesser extent Wimbledon (good) is relevant and current form on HC (not good) is meaningless.

when

2- for Federer, history at the USO (very good) is declared not relevant, history at other slams (good) is not relevant and current form (good) is not relevant.

I find this pretty difficult to follow.

you cannot live in the past and dream about 5 more us opens.......how many atp titles has your god won over the last 7 months? the answer is zero.......you may satisfy yourself by taking things very literally and twisting arguments one way or the other like a fool but no one has any use with such arguments.......

try to be objective and contribute something.......what happened a year ago is a long time in a tennis season.......what happened a couple years ago is a very long time.......you cannot bank on the distant past especially for an aging player who hasn't won an atp title in 7 months, no matter what the history says.......

nadal is the one who stole the show this year with real domination......the player who did real great in the very recent past......2 defeats after a break for treatment mean zilch for grandslams where players are separated from clowns.......it doesn't change much about who the favorite for this title is, which is the point of this thread.......

Manequin75
08-22-2010, 05:28 PM
you cannot live in the past and dream about 5 more us opens.......how many atp titles has your god won over the last 7 months? the answer is zero.......you may satisfy yourself by taking things very literally and twisting arguments one way or the other like a fool but no one has any use with such arguments.......

try to be objective and contribute something.......what happened a year ago is a long time in a tennis season.......what happened a couple years ago is a very long time.......you cannot bank on the distant past especially for an aging player who hasn't won an atp title in 7 months, no matter what the history says.......

nadal is the one who stole the show this year with real domination......the player who did real great in the very recent past......2 defeats after a break for treatment mean zilch for grandslams where players are separated from clowns.......it doesn't change much about who the favorite for this title is, which is the point of this thread.......

Im as big as a Rafa fan you will find but I have to disagree with several points you make. Feds game is easy and he is a natural on HC. Fed not winning in 7 months means nothing. He doesnt play that many tournaments. Indianwells and Miami only HC tournaments he has played since AO in the early stretch and he didnt do well. ANd then clay/grass came about and not relevant to his HC form today.

ALso very recent past is not clay/grass but rather Toronto/cincy. These are more relevant and underlines present form. I have watched all top players closely in Toronto/Cincy and have to say I am most impressed with Fed and he in my opinion hasnt even peaked yet. He has a couple of gears to go. He has been in the last 6 finals in USO winning 5. And even the one he lost was a 5 setter and lets be honest Fed made a few mistakes to give that away.

I think Fed will get better over the next couple of weeks. Im hoping for a Fedal final on Sep 12 in NY. I would like Rafa to win coz its the USO and the one slam he hasn't won and will be rooting for him. If its not a blow-out and turns out to be a tight match then I would give a very slight edge to Rafa. But there is a chance Fed will just not let Rafa find his rthythm on HC and give him a very hard lop sided beating (Like Fed received at RG 2008). I hope its not the latter but with Fed you can never be sure. If JesusFed shows up then it might be painful for anybody.

BigJohn
08-22-2010, 05:45 PM
you cannot live in the past and dream about 5 more us opens.......how many atp titles has your god won over the last 7 months? the answer is zero.......you may satisfy yourself by taking things very literally and twisting arguments one way or the other like a fool but no one has any use with such arguments.......

try to be objective and contribute something.......what happened a year ago is a long time in a tennis season.......what happened a couple years ago is a very long time.......you cannot bank on the distant past especially for an aging player who hasn't won an atp title in 7 months, no matter what the history says.......

nadal is the one who stole the show this year with real domination......the player who did real great in the very recent past......2 defeats after a break for treatment mean zilch for grandslams where players are separated from clowns.......it doesn't change much about who the favorite for this title is, which is the point of this thread.......

Try to be objective? :rolleyes: Please, show me how to be unbiased.

Start da Game
08-22-2010, 05:52 PM
Im as big as a Rafa fan you will find but I have to disagree with several points you make. Feds game is easy and he is a natural on HC. Fed not winning in 7 months means nothing. He doesnt play that many tournaments. Indianwells and Miami only HC tournaments he has played since AO in the early stretch and he didnt do well. ANd then clay/grass came about and not relevant to his HC form today.

ALso very recent past is not clay/grass but rather Toronto/cincy. These are more relevant and underlines present form. I have watched all top players closely in Toronto/Cincy and have to say I am most impressed with Fed and he in my opinion hasnt even peaked yet. He has a couple of gears to go. He has been in the last 6 finals in USO winning 5. And even the one he lost was a 5 setter and lets be honest Fed made a few mistakes to give that away.

I think Fed will get better over the next couple of weeks. Im hoping for a Fedal final on Sep 12 in NY. I would like Rafa to win coz its the USO and the one slam he hasn't won and will be rooting for him. If its not a blow-out and turns out to be a tight match then I would give a very slight edge to Rafa. But there is a chance Fed will just not let Rafa find his rthythm on HC and give him a very hard lop sided beating (Like Fed received at RG 2008). I hope its not the latter but with Fed you can never be sure. If JesusFed shows up then it might be painful for anybody.

fighting quality is bigger than talent.......this maybe fed's best surface and nadal's worse.......why care when nadal's mentally stronger by a distance.......i have no doubts whatsoever that nadal will find a way to beat any mode of fed.......even if the so called jesusfed(i always wondered who because where was he against a young mallorcan in all those spankings he received at the hands of that inexperienced mallorcan on clay and hardcourts) shows up, nadal can find an answer.......

fed in 2009 AO dismissed both roddick and del potro like if they were some 2nd rate club players........what happened in the final? and that was his best surface and nadal's worst.......

fed may have looked better than anyone in the two masters events but preparation varies from player to player.......nadal has his own pace of doing things.......

let me tell you one thing that fed(in any mode, you name it whatever) hates facing nadal and the intolerable will, no matter what the surface is.......

BigJohn
08-22-2010, 06:10 PM
fighting quality is bigger than talent.......this maybe fed's best surface and nadal's worse.......why care when nadal's mentally stronger by a distance.......i have no doubts whatsoever that nadal will find a way to beat any mode of fed.......even if the so called jesusfed(i always wondered who because where was he against a young mallorcan in all those spankings he received at the hands of that inexperienced mallorcan on clay and hardcourts) shows up, nadal can find an answer.......

fed in 2009 AO dismissed both roddick and del potro like if they were some 2nd rate club players........what happened in the final? and that was his best surface and nadal's worst.......

fed may have looked better than anyone in the two masters events but preparation varies from player to player.......nadal has his own pace of doing things.......

let me tell you one thing that fed(in any mode, you name it whatever) hates facing nadal and the intolerable will, no matter what the surface is.......

Before Nadal can dream of defeating Federer in a USO final, he should try to make at least one. That would be based on facts, not opinion like that whole post right there, he never made it before and he's not currently playing well on HC.

In that post again, the confusion continues regarding history and current form.

Can you see why it appears that in your unbiased and objective view on this, history means nothing if it indicates anything that favors Federer, and current form is the same. Yet history from 08 or 09 can be brought up to glorify Nadal, but his current form is not a clear indicator. How is this objective?

obˇjecˇtive (b-jktv)
adj.
3. a. Uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices: an objective critic.
b. Based on observable phenomena; presented factually: an objective appraisal.

And you accuse me of having Federer as a god. On voit la paille dans l'oeil de son voisin, mais pas la poutre dans le sien, maybe?

Start da Game
08-22-2010, 06:37 PM
Before Nadal can dream of defeating Federer in a USO final, he should try to make at least one. That would be based on facts, not opinion like that whole post right there, he never made it before and he's not currently playing well on HC.

In that post again, the confusion continues regarding history and current form.

Can you see why it appears that in your unbiased and objective view on this, history means nothing if it indicates anything that favors Federer, and current form is the same. Yet history from 08 or 09 can be brought up to glorify Nadal, but his current form is not a clear indicator. How is this objective?

obˇjecˇtive (b-jktv)
adj.
3. a. Uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices: an objective critic.
b. Based on observable phenomena; presented factually: an objective appraisal.

And you accuse me of having Federer as a god. On voit la paille dans l'oeil de son voisin, mais pas la poutre dans le sien, maybe?

how is his current form a clear indicator? are you being objective there? you need a player who is back after treatment to walk away with 1000 titles to believe that he has a chance at the slam?

once again, you cannot look into 2006, 2007, 2008 and rely much on those results.......i brought up 2009 just to show fed's inability to solve the puzzle called nadal, an instance from the past......sure it doesn't mean much NOW but the trend has continued even this year in madrid not so long ago.......nadal has once again owned fed in a final......

like i said you can take things literally and keep twisting but that's not going to help......nadal is the one who's leading the ranking charts now and he is the one with big titles in his bag this year.......

BigJohn
08-22-2010, 06:41 PM
how is his current form a clear indicator? are you being objective there? you need a player who is back after treatment to walk away with 1000 titles to believe that he has a chance at the slam?

once again, you cannot look into 2006, 2007, 2008 and rely much on those results.......i brought up 2009 just to show fed's inability to solve the puzzle called nadal, an instance from the past......sure it doesn't mean much NOW but the trend has continued even this year in madrid not so long ago.......nadal has once again owned fed in a final......

like i said you can take things literally and keep twisting but that's not going to help......nadal is the one who's leading the ranking charts now and he is the one with big titles in his bag this year.......

keep twisting... :)