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Priam
08-19-2010, 05:17 AM
Interesting match-up. Monodick vs Sod.

Robin leads the Head-to-head 2-1

2010 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Indian Wells
CA, U.S.A. Hard S Roddick, Andy
6-4, 3-6, 6-3 Stats

2008 Lyon
France Carpet Q Soderling, Robin
7-6(5), 7-6(5) Stats

2008 Memphis
TN, U.S.A. Hard Q Soderling, Robin
7-6(6), 6-3 Stats

MalwareDie
08-19-2010, 05:20 AM
Soderling in 2.

Roddickominator
08-19-2010, 05:30 AM
MonoRod in 2

viruzzz
08-19-2010, 05:32 AM
Soderling in 3.
Amazing match.

The Magician
08-19-2010, 05:39 AM
Soda should win this one. About time he took the next step up at the masters series all the way to the final or a win :yeah:

straitup
08-19-2010, 05:45 AM
Roddick in 3

djb84xi
08-19-2010, 06:01 AM
I think Soderling wins this. Roddick doesn't have enough energy to really overpower Sod. Unless Soderling sprays errors all over the place, I don't see him losing this one. I think he wins in 3.

Elena.
08-19-2010, 07:15 AM
Soderling

cutesteve22
08-19-2010, 08:19 AM
hope Robin can win this

ApproachShot
08-19-2010, 08:45 AM
Soderling in 3. I think we may be in for a couple of tiebreaks.

Blackbriar
08-19-2010, 08:47 AM
A-Rod plays like shit, and Soderling plays his best tennis, so....

Nolby
08-19-2010, 09:04 AM
SoderKing in Stra8ts! His fire is burning inside now.

born_on_clay
08-19-2010, 10:01 AM
Roddick in 3

Certinfy
08-19-2010, 11:42 AM
Soderling in 3.

If Soderling does somehow win this title then fucking hell, must be one of the hardest draws ever.

ossie
08-19-2010, 12:26 PM
sod in 2

TipTen
08-19-2010, 12:30 PM
Soder .. in 2

FormerRafaFan
08-19-2010, 12:30 PM
I hope Roddick wins, since I like Roddick and can't stand Soderling. However, Soderling is the best player of the two and will probably win in two straight sets..

Javier Bardem
08-19-2010, 12:42 PM
soderling in straights

misty1
08-19-2010, 01:03 PM
im going to go against everyone ..or most everyone and say roddick in 2

MacTheKnife
08-19-2010, 01:06 PM
I picked toad on my draw challenge, but I believe arod is playing better than I thought he would. Now I'm taking arod in 3. But believe this is a real toss up.

Fumus
08-19-2010, 01:15 PM
I think on paper if both these guys were at 100% I would pick Andy because I think he matches up well against players like this. Specifically guys that make a bunch of errors and don't have the best return of serve int the world. That being said however, I'm not really sure the form of either one of these guys. Obviously Soda's had a better summer than A-Rod but it wouldn't take much. So I'll say Soda in 2. Maybe a tie-break in the first and then one break in the second for the King of Sod. I wouldn't be surprised if Andy pulls off the upset(?) here but I just don't think he's playing well enough to beat someone as good as Robin.

tennisfan856
08-19-2010, 02:10 PM
Having watched both players this week, I am going to give the edge to Roddick tonight. I don't know what happened to Andy in that third set against Stakhovsky, but that was the best set of tennis I saw from him since March. Andy is serving like a man who can't be broken right now, and Robin has been pretty shitty on his return game since the euro clay. Soderling has also shown he is very vulnerable on the 2nd serve, and Andy has won a comfortable percentage of 2nd serve returns (50+%) in both his matches so far.

Picking Roddick here but I know Robin is no slouch, but Andy is like a new man this week compared to the other tournys.

henke007
08-19-2010, 02:20 PM
+1 Monodick in 3 sets :sad:

philosophicalarf
08-19-2010, 02:21 PM
Duck would have wanted a day match here, much faster for his serve, and the heat bothers Sod as well.

Winston's Human
08-19-2010, 03:23 PM
I am an Andy supporter, but Robin seems to be in better form.

borracho
08-19-2010, 03:45 PM
Having watched both players this week, I am going to give the edge to Roddick tonight. I don't know what happened to Andy in that third set against Stakhovsky, but that was the best set of tennis I saw from him since March. Andy is serving like a man who can't be broken right now, and Robin has been pretty shitty on his return game since the euro clay. Soderling has also shown he is very vulnerable on the 2nd serve, and Andy has won a comfortable percentage of 2nd serve returns (50+%) in both his matches so far.

Picking Roddick here but I know Robin is no slouch, but Andy is like a new man this week compared to the other tournys.

If Roddick play just as passive as yesterday, he'll have no chance to win this.

Persimmon
08-19-2010, 03:50 PM
Sod.

dombrfc
08-19-2010, 03:51 PM
Sod to take out both these disgraceful 'sportsman' in 24 hours.

tennisfan856
08-19-2010, 04:10 PM
If Roddick play just as passive as yesterday, he'll have no chance to win this.

He's always played passive, but I would like to know how Robin will break him. He could always win two breakers in a row though.

borracho
08-19-2010, 04:21 PM
He's always played passive, but I would like to know how Robin will break him. He could always win two breakers in a row though.

I think Robin has enough power to hit straight through Roddick's defense in rallies. He has the power and aggressiveness that de Bakker was lacking yesterday. Roddick plays passive but doesn't have big defense. The only chance Roddick has to win this match is trying to hit winners and rush the net imo.

Nolby
08-19-2010, 04:25 PM
He's always played passive, but I would like to know how Robin will break him. He could always win two breakers in a row though.

Soda broke Roddick's serve 3 times in their last match at Indian Wells in March. Robin has one of the best "return of service" records on the ATP, much better than Roddick's stats. Who started the rumour that Soda wasn't good at returning serve? :shrug:

Robin Soderling Return Record Year-to-Date: (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Andy-Roddick.aspx?t=mf) http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Robin-Soderling.aspx?t=mf

31% 1st Serve Return Points Won
52% 2nd Serve Return Points Won
347 Break Points Opportunities
45% Break Points Converted
579 Return Games Played
27% Return Games Won
39% Return Points Won
53% Total Points Won

Andy Roddick Return Record Year-to-Date: (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Andy-Roddick.aspx?t=mf) http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Andy-Roddick.aspx?t=mf
26% 1st Serve Return Points Won
49% 2nd Serve Return Points Won
317 Break Points Opportunities
34% Break Points Converted
596 Return Games Played
18% Return Games Won
35% Return Points Won
53% Total Points Won

tennisfan856
08-19-2010, 04:36 PM
I handicap his returning based on this hard court season, not in January or March. Statistics that include the whole year don't really do any good when it's all about the current form. Davydenko was lights out in January, look where he is now.

Here is Robin's first serve returning in his past few matches.

Hewitt, 19%
Nalbandian, 29%
Gulbis 19%

Look at Roddick's service percentages throughout this week, Robin will have to pick up his returning to break.

Nolby
08-19-2010, 04:40 PM
I handicap his returning based on this hard court season, not in January or March. Statistics that include the whole year don't really do any good when it's all about the current form. Davydenko was lights out in January, look where he is now.

Here is Robin's first serve returning in his past few matches.

Hewitt, 19%
Nalbandian, 29%
Gulbis 19%

Look at Roddick's service percentages throughout this week, Robin will have to pick up his returning to break.

When he broke Roddick's serve 3 times in March at Indian Wells, it was on a hard court. There was a hard court season at the beginning of the year too. Taking the last couple of matches to judge a player's abilities is out of whack. One could do that during any part of the season to prove Nalby was lousy at returning or Isner is the best. :lol:

Fumus
08-19-2010, 04:45 PM
Soda broke Roddick's serve 3 times in their last match at Indian Wells in March. Robin has one of the best "return of service" records on the ATP, much better than Roddick's stats. Who started the rumour that Soda wasn't good at returning serve? :shrug:

Robin Soderling Return Record Year-to-Date: (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Andy-Roddick.aspx?t=mf) http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Robin-Soderling.aspx?t=mf

31% 1st Serve Return Points Won
52% 2nd Serve Return Points Won
347 Break Points Opportunities
45% Break Points Converted
579 Return Games Played
27% Return Games Won
39% Return Points Won
53% Total Points Won

Andy Roddick Return Record Year-to-Date: (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Andy-Roddick.aspx?t=mf) http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Andy-Roddick.aspx?t=mf
26% 1st Serve Return Points Won
49% 2nd Serve Return Points Won
317 Break Points Opportunities
34% Break Points Converted
596 Return Games Played
18% Return Games Won
35% Return Points Won
53% Total Points Won

What rumor? His return of serve isn't great. Yes he's better than Roddick...big whoop David Blane.

I looked at the stats. The only thing one he's in the top 10 of as far as returning stats on the tour is break point conversion. Also his numbers are a bit of an aberration because he had such a successful clay court season. Returning on clay isn't returning on hard court. Futhermore his style of return with big swings and flat hitting doesn't matchup well against big servers like Roddick.

I'm not saying he won't win, quite the contrary I have him tipped to win in straight sets. It's just Robin doesn't have a block return or chip that he plays or anything like that which would get him into more rallies with Andy. Basically he needs second serves and to be connecting on his shots that day. I think he probably will get enough chances and probably will break atleast once or twice. But honestly don't kid yourself here. Robin's style of play is about hitting big, playing big and holding serve. When he gets opportunities and looks he crushes the ball on his opponents serves. I just think Andy gives him less looks than most but he'll probably still win.

Cool?

tennisfan856
08-19-2010, 04:45 PM
What is so out of whack about observing players on current form? These players aren't machines and their games fluctuate on a week to week basis.

Gasquet was dead in the water after arriving from Europe, and now he's playing decent tennis again.
Gulbis was shit in LA and Washington, but now he's serving like Karlovic.
Murray was awesome towards the end of last week, and now he looks like he doesn't give a shit.

I don't think you should just completely discount what I am trying to do here, I just observe the player's on a week-to-week basis. What happened in the first half of the season is useless to me now.

Nolby
08-19-2010, 04:53 PM
What rumor? His return of serve isn't great. Yes he's better than Roddick...big whoop David Blane.

I looked at the stats. The only thing one he's in the top 10 of as far as returning stats on the tour is break point conversion. Also his numbers are a bit of an aberration because he had such a successful clay court season. Returning on clay isn't returning on hard court. Futhermore his style of return with big swings and flat hitting doesn't matchup well against big servers like Roddick.

I'm not saying he won't win, quite the contrary I have him tipped to win in straight sets. It's just Robin doesn't have a block return or chip that he plays or anything like that which would get him into more rallies with Andy. Basically he needs second serves and to be connecting on his shots that day. I think he probably will get enough chances and probably will break atleast once or twice. But honestly don't kid yourself here. Robin's style of play is about hitting big, playing big and holding serve. When he gets opportunities and looks he crushes the ball on his opponents serves. I just think Andy gives him less looks than most but he'll probably still win.

Cool?

No. You obviously don't follow his game:

ATP World Tour Return of Service Leaders (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings/MatchFacts.aspx)

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings/MatchFacts.aspx

Fumus
08-19-2010, 04:59 PM
No. You obviously don't follow his game:

ATP World Tour Return of Service Leaders (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings/MatchFacts.aspx)

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings/MatchFacts.aspx

Your right I actually don't watch tennis at all. Who are these people?

Please respond to the points in my last post before responding again...especially the parts where I detail Robin's game, his return style and oh yea...mention the fact that he wasn't in the top ten of any return statistic on tour except break point conversion. Also, I said that his numbers are a bit of an aberration because he played so many matches on clay this year. Sorry I know you won't read this and you are just going to post whatever you want anyways. Instead I'm just going to post a bunch of random smiley faces :):devil:;) and not respond to you again unless you can formlate some sort of counter argument...to my points...which I might add I explained very well, I broke it down so even the simplest of person's could understand. ;)

I think that settles it.

Nolby
08-19-2010, 05:04 PM
Your right I actually don't watch tennis at all. Who are these people?

Please respond to the points in my last post before responding again...especially the parts where I detail Robin's game, his return style and oh yea...mention the fact that he wasn't in the top ten of any return statistic on tour except break point conversion. Also, I said that his numbers are a bit of an aberration because he played so many matches on clay this year. Sorry I know you won't read this and you are just going to post whatever you want anyways. Instead I'm just going to post a bunch of random smiley faces :):devil:;) and not respond to you again unless you can formlate some sort of counter argument...to my points...which I might add I explained very well, I broke it down so even the simplest of person's could understand. ;)

I think that settles it.

Thanks for clearing that up. ;)

So these are the stats for a man who helplessly can't break serve:

Return Games Won %: 12th in the World (Roger Federer is 13th)
Break Points Converted %: 7th in the World
Points won on 1rst Serve: 20th in the World
Points won on 2nd Serve: 14th in the World

I rest my case. :p

tennisfan856
08-19-2010, 05:06 PM
let me see his return percantages on clay alone, and then on hard court.

Otherwise, those atp statistics are misleading, and Fumus did a great job of breaking it down for you

MalwareDie
08-19-2010, 05:10 PM
Yeah Nolby, Fumus made great points.

Fumus
08-19-2010, 05:14 PM
Thanks for clearing that up. ;)

So these are the stats for a man who helplessly can't break serve:

Return Games Won %: 12th in the World (Roger Federer is 13th)
Break Points Converted %: 7th in the World
Points won on 1rst Serve: 20th in the World
Points won on 2nd Serve: 14th in the World

I rest my case. :p

huh?

Isn't that exactly what I said!?!?

Please go back and read where I said the only thing that he's even in the top 10 of was break point conversion. Second you silly head, who said he's a man who helplessly can't break serve!?!? He's got some of best groundies in the world, of course he breaks serve. He's definitely better than Roddick at breaking serve that just doesn't make him very good at it.

He'll never fare well against the bigger servers on hard court because of his huge swings on the return that he takes, he doesn't block or chip. I stand by that. I think earlier in the thread tennisfan posted his abysmal numbers for first serve return on hard-court this year. I think that correlates very nicely to what I'm saying.

Nolby
08-19-2010, 05:21 PM
huh?

Isn't that exactly what I said!?!?

Please go back and read where I said the only thing that he's even in the top 10 of was break point conversion. Second you silly head, who said he's a man who helplessly can't break serve!?!? He's got some of best groundies in the world, of course he breaks serve. He's definitely better than Roddick at breaking serve that just doesn't make him very good at it.

He'll never fare well against the bigger servers on hard court because of his huge swings on the return that he takes, he doesn't block or chip. I stand by that. I think earlier in the thread tennisfan posted his abysmal numbers for first serve return on hard-court this year. I think that correlates very nicely to what I'm saying.

If the facts are meaningless to you, than it is pointless to argue with you. :shrug: Find 9 players with better "Return of Service" statistics this year than Soda. Good luck. :wavey:

Fumus
08-19-2010, 05:26 PM
If the facts are meaningless to you, than it is pointless to argue with you. :shrug: Find 9 players with better "Return of Service" statistics this year than Soda. Good luck. :wavey:

You win. I'm sooo wrong. I admit it. :D

HKz
08-19-2010, 05:31 PM
This isn't the same Roddick as in Indian Wells where Roddick was clearly in better physical shape and Robin was spraying. I would be quite surprised if Roddick won.

OnyxRose
08-19-2010, 07:48 PM
I am an Andy fan but Soderling in 3. I don't know if Andy is up to the challenge tonight.

sammy01
08-19-2010, 07:53 PM
soderlings the fave, but i have a feeling roddick will sneak this in 3 sets

enigma
08-19-2010, 08:06 PM
Soderling

Brick Top
08-19-2010, 08:38 PM
better player, Roddick