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2010, no HC titles for Rafa?

Persimmon
08-14-2010, 09:10 PM
Could 2010 be the first year without a HC title for Rafa since 2004?:o:eek:

emotion
08-14-2010, 09:12 PM
Nadal has not beat a top 8 player on hard since March 09

The notion that you need to be a decent hard-courter to be #1 is complete BS, though he has been lucky in a few events

rafa the best
08-14-2010, 09:17 PM
Who cares, we'll always have Paris & London.

The Magician
08-14-2010, 09:18 PM
It's obvious Nadal won't win another HC title this year. The real question is how many years can he go skipping half the year and waiting for the clay season to get back his confidence? I think this is the last year, he's not getting any younger and with the return of Del Po and Berdych/Soda/Nalby he won't win all the clay masters and be low on confidence for the FO.

Rafa is playing a dangerous game every year, it will cost him soon.

green25814
08-14-2010, 09:19 PM
I believe this is called hyperbole.

straitup
08-14-2010, 09:20 PM
Rafa will never be low on confidence at any clay tournament

He's had the consistency this year, he just hasn't been able to beat the big guys

Matt01
08-14-2010, 09:24 PM
I believe this is called hyperbole.


We all know how GM on MTF works :lol:

Ben.
08-14-2010, 09:26 PM
Oh no, number 1 lost to number 4. Why has he not hung his racket up yet?

The Magician
08-14-2010, 09:29 PM
Rafa will never be low on confidence at any clay tournament

He's had the consistency this year, he just hasn't been able to beat the big guys

Even in 2009 when he was "injured" he made the semis of the USO. Nadal has always been defined by consistently mediocre (compared to the other top players) HC results, unless he wins he gains no confidence from a tournament despite what he says.

FormerRafaFan
08-14-2010, 09:32 PM
And what do you know.. Cue the haters threads/posts after Rafa loses a match. I'm shocked I tell ya, SHOCKED!:rolleyes: MTF is such a sad place thriving on a player losing. Oh well, can't expect anything else from clowns like you.

I still think Rafa has the chance to reach far in both Cincy and USO if he just can improve his serve.

joplin
08-14-2010, 09:32 PM
nadal used to trash nole, muzza and even roger on hardcourts, so making such treads is not a smart idea.
for god sake, he was smiling when muzza had MP. he didnīt care for toronto IMO, he is trying to make his peak at US open

rafa_maniac
08-14-2010, 09:33 PM
No titles at all for Murray, and only one for Federer and Djokovic. Where are their threads?

The Magician
08-14-2010, 09:46 PM
nadal used to trash nole, muzza and even roger on hardcourts, so making such treads is not a smart idea.
for god sake, he was smiling when muzza had MP. he didnīt care for toronto IMO, he is trying to make his peak at US open

Just for posterity, he wasn't smiling, he was complaining about the linesperson not making the call fast enough and sarcastically smiling at the situation, even though he had basically lost and was just lashing out.

joplin
08-14-2010, 09:49 PM
Just for posterity, he wasn't smiling, he was complaining about the linesperson not making the call fast enough and sarcastically smiling at the situation, even though he had basically lost and was just lashing out.
so not true

Certinfy
08-14-2010, 09:50 PM
so not trueNa, The Magician is right.

dombrfc
08-14-2010, 09:51 PM
If youre right, its a disgrace that the so called world no.1 doesnt care about rogers cup!
Of course youre not right though. Murray was just better on the day.

joplin
08-14-2010, 09:59 PM
If youre right, its a disgrace that the so called world no.1 doesnt care about rogers cup!
Of course youre not right though. Murray was just better on the day.
of course muzza was better, but some people are just overreacting to nadalīs loss.
He will probably end up year no 1, so he doesnīt need to sweat to much, so his only focus now is US open. He is just rusty at the moment

viruzzz
08-14-2010, 10:02 PM
I still think Rafa has the chance to reach far in both Cincy and USO if he just can improve his serve.

Just with that?

Sapeod
08-14-2010, 10:06 PM
It's obvious Nadal won't win another HC title this year. The real question is how many years can he go skipping half the year and waiting for the clay season to get back his confidence? I think this is the last year, he's not getting any younger and with the return of Del Po and Berdych/Soda/Nalby he won't win all the clay masters and be low on confidence for the FO.

Rafa is playing a dangerous game every year, it will cost him soon.
One can only hope.
so not true
Yes, it is true.

ApproachShot
08-14-2010, 10:08 PM
I wouldn't write off his chances on the slower indoor courts completely and even if fast hard courts are not his thing, Cincy and the US Open do provide opportunities to go deep into the tournament - although it must be acknowledged that more people are capable of beating him on such a surface. More realistically, there is always the Asian swing (Bangkok, Tokyo and Shanghai) where he could pick up a title.

Manequin75
08-14-2010, 10:30 PM
He will win only one HC title this year and he will lift that trophy on a sunny Sunday evening on September 12 in New York.

Mark this post. Down the road this post will be regarded as the MOST FAMOUS mtf post of all time.

TheWall
08-14-2010, 10:33 PM
He will win only one HC title this year and he will lift that trophy on a sunny Sunday evening on September 12 in New York.

Mark this post. Down the road this post will be regarded as the MOST FAMOUS mtf post of all time.

Because you predicted the #1 player to win a slam? :lol:

Johnny Groove
08-14-2010, 10:47 PM
Nadal has already won Montreal and Toronto.

He has bigger New York fish to fry. :p

careergrandslam
08-14-2010, 10:51 PM
Nadal has already won Montreal and Toronto.

He has bigger New York fish to fry. :p

exactly, he wins atleast one HC title every year, so hopefully he wins another HC title this year too, but this time i hope he wins the biggest HC title of them all...the US Open.
just like queens loss and wimbledon win.
i hope it repeats for the HC, toronto and cincinnatti loss, USO win.

i will be putting all my eggs in one basket, and i hope rafa delivers the goods and win the USO.
i can handle a toronto loss.
i can handle a cincinnatti loss.
i CANNOT handle a USO loss.

peribsen
08-14-2010, 10:54 PM
I believe this is called hyperbole.

+1

Doubt whether they have the neurons to understand it, though.

KarlyM
08-14-2010, 11:10 PM
There's only what, 18 more HC tournaments to go this year... but no! MTF never jumps the gun on anything! :lol:

Could 2010 be the first year without a HC title for Rafa since 2004?:o:eek: Could 2010 be the first year without a clay OR grass title for Roger since 2001?:o:eek:
Could 2010 be the first year without a clay title for Nole since 2005?:o:eek:
Could 2010 be the first year without an indoor title for Muzz since 2005?:o:eek:
Just some thread suggestions. MTF can be equal opportunity bashers, right? :wavey: ;)

Mjau!
08-14-2010, 11:13 PM
There's only what, 18 more HC tournaments to go this year... but no! MTF never jumps the gun on anything! :lol:

Could 2010 be the first year without a clay OR grass title for Roger since 2001?:o:eek:
Could 2010 be the first year without a clay title for Nole since 2005?:o:eek:
Could 2010 be the first year without an indoor title for Muzz since 2005?:o:eek:
Just some thread suggestions. MTF can be equal opportunity bashers, right? :wavey: ;)

Unlikely, Murray is clearly on the verge of complete hard court domination, JesusFed style.

Mjau!
08-14-2010, 11:16 PM
It's a legitimate question as Rafa has not won an event post Canada since before the TMS were mandatory for top players. Also, he has 12 consecutive HC-torunies with no title and the field is looking stronger than ever* on this surface.

* = since 2008

peribsen
08-14-2010, 11:38 PM
Could 2010 be the first year without a HC title for Rafa since 2004?:o:eek:

I don't know if you are sharp enough to get it, but what you say implies that Rafa's dominance on clay and grass, tennis' classical surfaces, is so out of this world that he can lead the field by a mile even though he isnīt that hot on the surface that is predominant nowadays. If Rafa had been born before USO and AO were changed to hard, nobody but Fed would have stood a chance against him, his records would be even higher.

This thread is a huge homage to Rafa Nadal.

If that was what you were aiming at, well done. If not... son, you could always take up gardening.


It's obvious Nadal won't win another HC title this year.

Here you go again, mistaking a hill for a mountain range!

Coming from someone who prophecized Nadal was done and would never win again, and then assured everybody that he would never make it past Soderling/Murray in Wimby... hey, maybe your saying so is good news for Nadal!!!

Rafa is playing a dangerous game every year, it will cost him soon.

LOL. Yes, so 'soon' that his career already places him in the same league as Agassi, Connors, McEnroe.... Who cares if Rafa's career ends in a couple of years if that may mean he ends up with 10/12 slams?

Even in 2009 when he was "injured" he made the semis of the USO.

Two chores:

1) please explain the ". Either a guy is injured or he isnīt, being "injured" is not a category. Since it was plain to all non-partisan onlookers that Rafa was injured last summer, I take the " to be just another failed attempt at slander. Be ware, Magician, envy and hate are capital sins, you'll end up pretty deep inside Dante's Inferno!!

2) Logic would have it you cannot state one thing and its contrary in the same sentence. Yet you choose to inform us that Rafa is mediocre on HC, but add "even in 2009 when he was injured he made the semis of USO". Now a mediocre guy on HC isn't likely to make a top-4 finish in the biggest HC tournament during his worst moment of play, now is he? Either last summer was his best time ever, or he isnīt so mediocre, right? You can't have it both ways.

Please do not post while drunk ;)

peribsen
08-14-2010, 11:44 PM
It's a legitimate question as Rafa has not won an event post Canada since before the TMS were mandatory for top players. Also, he has 12 consecutive HC-torunies with no title and the field is looking stronger than ever* on this surface.

* = since 2008

Wellcome back Mjau!, I was kind of missing the blonde that's holding you up on your avatar!:p

ORGASMATRON
08-14-2010, 11:49 PM
nadal is not a good hardcourt player. only grass and clay is slow enough these days :awww:

peribsen
08-14-2010, 11:51 PM
I can't believe this!!

MAGICIAN has just bad-repped me and called me a fan-girl, LMAO!!!
Wonder what he'll do when he reads my last post, if the guy can get so childish when out of arguments, he may even pee his bed..
:rolls::rolls::rolls:
:umbrella::umbrella:
:aparty::aparty:

Ben.
08-14-2010, 11:54 PM
I can't believe this!!

MAGICIAN has just bad-repped me and called me a fan-girl, LMAO!!!
Wonder what he'll do when he reads my last post, if the guy can get so childish when out of arguments, he may even pee his bed..
:rolls::rolls::rolls:
:umbrella::umbrella:
:aparty::aparty:

Lol he did the same to me the other day. Something about having a Rafa poster on my wall. He is a champion of wit for sure.

peribsen
08-14-2010, 11:54 PM
nadal is not a good hardcourt player. only grass and clay is slow enough these days :awww:

Hey Ru-an, what ever happened to the 'I like Nadal' in your sig?
Enjoy your ride in the bandwaggon!!

ORGASMATRON
08-15-2010, 12:03 AM
Hey Ru-an, what ever happened to the 'I like Nadal' in your sig?
Enjoy your ride in the bandwaggon!!

which bandwagon lol?

paseo
08-15-2010, 02:25 AM
Too early. There are still a lot of HC tournaments left this year.

Pirata.
08-15-2010, 03:05 AM
Who cares, we'll always have Paris & London.

He'll never win either of those on hard court either :wavey:

The Freak
08-15-2010, 03:29 AM
It's obvious Nadal won't win another HC title this year. The real question is how many years can he go skipping half the year and waiting for the clay season to get back his confidence? I think this is the last year, he's not getting any younger and with the return of Del Po and Berdych/Soda/Nalby he won't win all the clay masters and be low on confidence for the FO.

Rafa is playing a dangerous game every year, it will cost him soon.

:banghead:

He has won the tournament 5 times, I think his confidence will be just fine.

And he has never been very dominant on hardcourts. He has still had good results on hard courts this year, I don't see reason to pronounce his demise. :shrug:

orangehat
08-15-2010, 04:34 AM
:lol:

:rolls: at the nadal fans and :spit: at the Nadal haters.

I don't think he will win USO though.

iriraz
08-15-2010, 05:03 AM
nadal is not a good hardcourt player. only grass and clay is slow enough these days :awww:

Nadal is not the best hard court player out there but he is a good player on this surface.He might not win every title out there but making quarters and semis regularly are good results too.

n8
08-15-2010, 05:37 AM
Could 2010 be the first year without a HC title for Rafa since 2004?:o:eek:

I think that statement is a good reminder of how underrated Nadal's achievements on hard courts are. He has won at least one hard court title each year since the season he started as an 18 year old, and big ones at that:

2005 - MS Madrid, MS Canada, Beijing
2006 - Dubai
2007 - MS Indian Wells
2008 - Beijing Olympics, MS Canada
2009 - Australian Open, Indian Wells.

In his mere 5 hard court events this year, he has made at least the quarter-finals in each. Championships points in Doha, close semi-final losses in Indian Wells and Miami and a 19-5 record on the surface for the year. Well done Rafa!

BlueSwan
08-15-2010, 06:52 AM
1) Plenty of opportunities for Nadal to win a HC title this year still.

2) Even if he doesn't his HC results are incredibly consistent. Always goes deep in every tournament played. Along with outstanding results on clay and grass that's more than enough to be #1 by a huge margin.

3) In other words: not much cause for concern on Nadals behalf.

ORGASMATRON
08-15-2010, 09:23 AM
Nadal is not the best hard court player out there but he is a good player on this surface.He might not win every title out there but making quarters and semis regularly are good results too.

the problem is that people here are thinking he is a lock for the USO.

careergrandslam
08-15-2010, 10:07 AM
rafas hardcourt record is nothing short of embarrassing.
when he loses, he loses very badly.
for rafa to win a hardcourt title, he has to be playing his absolute best and his opponents playing pretty bad and choking.
and he needs an easy draw.

so many things must go right for him to win a hardcourt title.
its a sad sight to see, when the number 1 ranked player struggles on hardcourts.

ORGASMATRON
08-15-2010, 10:26 AM
its going to be hard for nadal. i think cincy is even faster than toronto as well as the USO. with guys like fed, djoker, murray and berdych player really well hes chances will be slim at those events. then after its the indoor season which doesnt suit him either. i hoped he wouldnt win the USO and i couldnt be happier to see fed, murray and djoker play so well.

joplin
08-15-2010, 10:55 AM
the problem is that people here are thinking he is a lock for the USO.which people? I would say Nole, Muzza, Federer and a few others have more chances, but if Rafito steps it up the right time, he can surprise.

born_on_clay
08-15-2010, 11:44 AM
lol at haters :haha:

2010 has already been awesome

peribsen
08-15-2010, 12:19 PM
lol at haters :haha:

2010 has already been awesome

This.

They're trying to make fun of a guy that has already won 2 GS this year! They'd never behave like this if it was any other player than Nadal. If Murray or Djoko or whoever had won RG and WB, they wouldn't give a SF loss in a M1000 so much importance. Just shows how dammed scared they are of Rafa.

delpiero7
08-15-2010, 04:41 PM
What is slightly more concerning is that the so called future of tennis has no hard court titles either this year (and none on grass or clay either) :eek:

Filo V.
08-22-2010, 02:50 AM
Depends on where he's at confidence wise for the Open, and then where he is at physically for the events afterward. None of us have a magic crystal ball to look in the future, so who knows?

PiggyGotRoasted
08-22-2010, 02:55 AM
Hey so if federer wins the US Open, he has won 2 gs's this year as well. That isnt a bad year by any means right?

Clay Death
08-22-2010, 02:59 AM
lol at haters :haha:

2010 has already been awesome



exactly affirmative.

you know mindless rodents will be mindless.

how many of them touring pros will ever sniff even the quarters of a slam.

this guy is fast making a habit of winning french opens and wimbledons in a same bloody year.

Persimmon
09-06-2010, 05:57 PM
Bump.

Topspindoctor
09-06-2010, 06:10 PM
What a lousy year, winning no HC titles. I am sure Nadal would trade his RG for Toronto and his Wimbledon for Cinci.

careergrandslam
09-06-2010, 07:02 PM
nadal sucks on HC.

i hate it when he keeps getting smashed by every clown in the semis or final.
its been happening for 18 months now on HC.

Persimmon
09-06-2010, 08:49 PM
nadal sucks on HC.

i hate it when he keeps getting smashed by every clown in the semis or final.
its been happening for 18 months now on HC.

+1.:o

nadal_slam_king
09-06-2010, 10:47 PM
Hard to imagine Nadal losing a hardcourt event with his current serving prowess.

careergrandslam
09-06-2010, 11:09 PM
Hard to imagine Nadal losing a hardcourt event with his current serving prowess.

dont worry thats what we all thought in AO 2009 and he nearly lost that aswell.

when u expect too much from rafa, thats when he lets u down, just dont expect too much from him.
i know its tempting to get carried away with this draw he has, but be calm.
its tough, but try.

nadal_slam_king
09-06-2010, 11:11 PM
No, he was only serving 104-110 miles per hour 1st serves during AO 2009. Now he's averaging over 120 miles per hour. Hard to lose to anyone on hardcourt when you group Nadal's groundstrokes with a serve like this.

careergrandslam
09-06-2010, 11:15 PM
No, he was only serving 104-110 miles per hour 1st serves during AO 2009. Now he's averaging over 120 miles per hour. Hard to lose to anyone on hardcourt when you group Nadal's groundstrokes with a serve like this.

speed is not the deciding factor, with higher speed he might have a lower 1st serve % which will leave him vulnerable.

nadal_slam_king
09-06-2010, 11:28 PM
speed is not the deciding factor, with higher speed he might have a lower 1st serve % which will leave him vulnerable.

Round 1 his 1st serve% was 67%, averaging 117mph.(including 133mph).

Round 2 his 1st serve% was 65%, averaging 121mph (including 134mph).

Round 3 his 1st serve% was 57%, averaging 120mph.

Nadal wasn't serving fast at all in Toronto/Cincy and was getting below 60% (and often a lot less like 35% in the 1st set of Murray match) of 1st serves in throughout.

Ackms421
09-07-2010, 12:23 AM
No, he was only serving 104-110 miles per hour 1st serves during AO 2009. Now he's averaging over 120 miles per hour. Hard to lose to anyone on hardcourt when you group Nadal's groundstrokes with a serve like this.

Exactly. This is what I keep trying to tell my friends (who love Federer). Nadal has amassed all these titles and 8 grand slams (including 1 on hard courts) with an obviously lackluster serve. If he can continue to serve like he has recently, he is the slight favorite over anyone, and the big favorite over most, to win this title. Just imagine Pete Sampras with a great backhand or Roddick with Nadal's movement. There's never been a champion who has filled their gaps so well as Nadal has. If he can sharpen up that backhand for good, he'll never lose. He'll be like Agassi with 1.5 times the court coverage.

And at the USO he has gotten a little bit better with each match, and we're only to the 4th round. Give him some time, and those who don't think he looks impressive yet will change their mind. Although, with the great draw he has now, we may not need to see a very impressive Rafa until the final, where I desperately hope, and expect, to see him.

nadal_slam_king
09-07-2010, 04:51 AM
Exactly. This is what I keep trying to tell my friends (who love Federer). Nadal has amassed all these titles and 8 grand slams (including 1 on hard courts) with an obviously lackluster serve. If he can continue to serve like he has recently, he is the slight favorite over anyone, and the big favorite over most, to win this title. Just imagine Pete Sampras with a great backhand or Roddick with Nadal's movement. There's never been a champion who has filled their gaps so well as Nadal has. If he can sharpen up that backhand for good, he'll never lose. He'll be like Agassi with 1.5 times the court coverage.

And at the USO he has gotten a little bit better with each match, and we're only to the 4th round. Give him some time, and those who don't think he looks impressive yet will change their mind. Although, with the great draw he has now, we may not need to see a very impressive Rafa until the final, where I desperately hope, and expect, to see him.

I agree completely. And there is a good chance of us seeing the continual improvement in the final, because Nadal is good at lifting his game in GS Finals (or at least staying within a positive range of form), while others tend to play below their best in GS Finals. So the odds are definitely very good of a win if Nadal makes the final.

Clay Death
09-07-2010, 05:00 AM
clay warrior cannot lose in the final. he has won his last 5 finals in slams.

book it.

nadal_slam_king
09-07-2010, 06:19 AM
clay warrior cannot lose in the final. he has won his last 5 finals in slams.

book it.

History does seem to support that ideological metabolism.

born_on_clay
09-07-2010, 07:14 AM
clay warrior cannot lose in the final. he has won his last 5 finals in slams.

book it.

affirmative
old sport
:worship:

bokehlicious
09-07-2010, 07:58 AM
Another thread highjacked by the rafatrolls :yeah:

careergrandslam
09-07-2010, 09:52 AM
clay warrior cannot lose in the final. he has won his last 5 finals in slams.

book it.

history means nothing.

just because he won those finals before doesnt mean he will keep winning.

Jaz
09-07-2010, 09:57 AM
This thread is the worst ever, it's just Nadaltards just agreeing with each other...

:/

Foxy
09-07-2010, 10:12 AM
Another thread highjacked by the rafatrolls :yeah:

Death rides on a fast horse, and it is coming for the US Open title. Pray for Death!

Matt01
09-07-2010, 12:51 PM
Another thread highjacked by the rafatrolls :yeah:


And now one of the worst rogertrolls has joined the party :aparty:

Persimmon
09-07-2010, 03:04 PM
I think that if Rafa somehow reaches the USO final he will lose to Federer or Nole. After that he will be so down that he will lose at all the remaining HC tournaments this year. So basically no HC titles in 2010.

Persimmon
09-11-2010, 02:52 PM
Bump.

finishingmove
09-11-2010, 03:29 PM
Rafa is peaking for the USO this year, unlike previous years when he was already burnt out by this time.

His form will undeniably drop after it, regardless of the outcome.

He's physically ready to win it, but is he ready to complete the career slam? That would put him up there with the all time greats, he'd have only Federer's (trivial) crazy records to chase. How much motivation would that leave him with?

BigJohn
09-11-2010, 03:30 PM
History does seem to support that ideological metabolism.

i·de·ol·o·gy (d-l-j, d-)
n. pl. i·de·ol·o·gies
1. The body of ideas reflecting the social needs and aspirations of an individual, group, class, or culture.
2. A set of doctrines or beliefs that form the basis of a political, economic, or other system.


me·tab·o·lism (m-tb-lzm)
n.
1. The chemical processes occurring within a living cell or organism that are necessary for the maintenance of life. In metabolism some substances are broken down to yield energy for vital processes while other substances, necessary for life, are synthesized.
2. The processing of a specific substance within the living body: water metabolism; iodine metabolism.

Speed of Light
09-11-2010, 03:39 PM
History does seem to support that ideological metabolism.

i·de·ol·o·gy (d-l-j, d-)
n. pl. i·de·ol·o·gies
1. The body of ideas reflecting the social needs and aspirations of an individual, group, class, or culture.
2. A set of doctrines or beliefs that form the basis of a political, economic, or other system.


me·tab·o·lism (m-tb-lzm)
n.
1. The chemical processes occurring within a living cell or organism that are necessary for the maintenance of life. In metabolism some substances are broken down to yield energy for vital processes while other substances, necessary for life, are synthesized.
2. The processing of a specific substance within the living body: water metabolism; iodine metabolism.

PWNED

Persimmon
09-11-2010, 11:59 PM
Another bump.

The drought will continue.

peribsen
09-12-2010, 12:15 AM
Another bump.

The drought will continue.

Who cares? If he dominates clay and grass and manages to produce a final 2 or 4 on HC, he can rule the tour for ages.

Serious tennis has always been played on grass or clay. The yanks are in their right to have a crave for street-tennis, but that doesnīt mean we should take it too seriously!

Topspindoctor
09-12-2010, 12:17 AM
Another bump.

The drought will continue.

If you think so, feel free to bet your life savings on that :wavey:

Persimmon
09-13-2010, 04:45 PM
up.

KarlyM
09-14-2010, 03:40 AM
http://i55.tinypic.com/30j4om1.jpg

Ben.
09-14-2010, 03:42 AM
Lol Persimmon's relentless anti jinxing worked. Can't really end that unwanted streak any better.

born_on_clay
09-14-2010, 11:58 AM
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/3526/usopen0913finalvsdjokou.jpg

peribsen
09-14-2010, 12:02 PM
up

Nadal goes
...
down you fall

Sillyrabbit
09-14-2010, 12:37 PM
The OP should keep doing whatever he's doing. He questioned where Nadal's next non-clay title would come from and then he won Wimbledon, then he wondered if Nadal would win another HC title, and he won the biggest of them all.

Up next: where will Nadal's next title on all all blue court come from?:devil:

careergrandslam
09-14-2010, 12:39 PM
do the anti-jinx for the year end tour finals.