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HKz
08-14-2010, 08:59 PM
Murray played very solid and Nadal not so much. Nadal came back a bit strong midway through the second set but Murray was eventually too tough in the end and made enough opportunities for himself.

I'll upload the stats in a minute.

http://i33.tinypic.com/5e7rll.jpg

Sapeod
08-14-2010, 08:59 PM
Never. In. Doubt.

Amazing play, Andy :worship:
Bye bye, Nadal :wavey:

azinna
08-14-2010, 09:00 PM
Strong stuff from Murray. Great balance between aggression and his usual counter-punching self. WOuld be good for this to be his new comfort zone. Up to him to do this against other top players...and in big matches.

Rafa was OK. He could -- and should -- take this as a rust-scraping week.

docking34
08-14-2010, 09:00 PM
nadul is done and dusted for the year.

viruzzz
08-14-2010, 09:00 PM
Well, seems to be that Rafita faced a top 10

Shirogane
08-14-2010, 09:00 PM
:yeah:

Johnny Groove
08-14-2010, 09:00 PM
Sometimes, you just gotta tip your bandana and say too good.

Montego
08-14-2010, 09:00 PM
Muzza played pretty damn well.

Caio_Brasil
08-14-2010, 09:00 PM
Murray played great tennis today.

philosophicalarf
08-14-2010, 09:01 PM
Horrible first serve % from Murray, should have been a lot more comfortable. Opening set was ok, was hitting his spots, lots of aces and unreturnables. Second though had to take a bit off just to get any in court at all, and was a real struggle.

Good first set anyway, all told. Not quite at the level vs Doughnut Dave though, but that was his best match for over a year imo.

Still, can't complain if you straight set the world number 1 on a bouncy hard court, with only 46% first serve.

green25814
08-14-2010, 09:01 PM
Muzza is back.

Johnny Groove
08-14-2010, 09:01 PM
Murray was really solid all match, Nadal up and down. Deserved win.

ORGASMATRON
08-14-2010, 09:01 PM
nadal isnt winning the USO :bigwave:

Clydey
08-14-2010, 09:01 PM
Clearly demonstrates how different the matchup is on hard, as opposed to grass. Great performance from Andy.

TheBoiledEgg
08-14-2010, 09:01 PM
tennis wins

Hasnt Rafa said that he wont play in North America in Summer cos courts are too fast :tape:
its only a matter of when not if :spit:

gusavo
08-14-2010, 09:01 PM
no matter, he was OBVIOUSLY injured. duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

fucking king

Allegretto
08-14-2010, 09:01 PM
Expected one.

Drugs Ruin Lives
08-14-2010, 09:01 PM
http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/fuck%20yeah.gif

madmax
08-14-2010, 09:02 PM
Nadull is as useless on hard as usual:haha: NID for Murray, hopefully Fed will school the scott once again in the final

tennishero
08-14-2010, 09:02 PM
murray played some nice tennis, and his attitude was better.. good for him.

Fed=ATPTourkilla
08-14-2010, 09:02 PM
He faced the same top 10 player on grass and beat him in straights.

Why is Rafa clearly worse on hard compared to clay and grass? Clay he would have killed Murray and grass he would have straight setted him.

I've always believed that grass and clay take his spin a lot better. On hard his F/H just sits up for someone like Murray saying HIT ME.

tyruk14
08-14-2010, 09:02 PM
Murray is just a better hardcourt player than Nadal. That's it.

Sapeod
08-14-2010, 09:02 PM
Sometimes, you just gotta tip your bandana and say too good.
Damn straight.

HKz
08-14-2010, 09:02 PM
He faced the same top 10 player on grass and beat him in straights.

Why is Rafa clearly worse on hard compared to clay and grass? Clay he would have killed Murray and grass he would have straight setted him.

I've always believed that grass and clay take his spin a lot better. On hard his F/H just sits up for someone like Murray saying HIT ME.

Shows how grass is not what it used to be.

Lopez
08-14-2010, 09:03 PM
Nadal outclassed by the better HC player.

Murray hit some nice shots and I actually like watching him play against Nadal since he's quite aggressive and actively constructing points and showing his talent. Against other players Murray tends to push and that's very boring to look at.

We'll see how Rafa does at Cincy and USO where the courts don't suit his game as well as in Toronto. At least he gained some points!

yuri27
08-14-2010, 09:03 PM
Murray played great tennis today.

As always against Nadal it seems.
It seems like Nadal is a great match up for him(despite their loopsided H2H which is mostly dued to Nadal being incredibly good on Clay)

The Magician
08-14-2010, 09:03 PM
Nadull's joke draw ends and he gets schooled in 2. Pretty much the story of his career :o

moon language
08-14-2010, 09:03 PM
Wow Murray played well. It would be nice to see him play that way all the time.

Nadal needs to hit the practice courts and get his serve back together.

ORGASMATRON
08-14-2010, 09:03 PM
grass is slower than hard court these days :bigwave:

tennizen
08-14-2010, 09:03 PM
Rafa is the better player on grass and Murray on hard. Well done, Andy:hug:

Rafa should focus on USO anyway.

green25814
08-14-2010, 09:03 PM
He faced the same top 10 player on grass and beat him in straights.

Why is Rafa clearly worse on hard compared to clay and grass? Clay he would have killed Murray and grass he would have straight setted him.

I've always believed that grass and clay take his spin a lot better. On hard his F/H just sits up for someone like Murray saying HIT ME.

He simply has more time on the ball there, no mystery.

He also moves worse on hard.

ImmzB
08-14-2010, 09:04 PM
Murray played great.

Rafa :(

TheBoiledEgg
08-14-2010, 09:04 PM
He faced the same top 10 player on grass and beat him in straights.

Why is Rafa clearly worse on hard compared to clay and grass? Clay he would have killed Murray and grass he would have straight setted him.



Miami and Indian Wells courts are slow as shit and he does well there.
US open Series wont slow down for him :devil: :devil: :devil:

Il Primo Uomo
08-14-2010, 09:04 PM
Rafa is rusty. I expect him to peak at the USO and snatch that damn trophey.

PandoraPandora
08-14-2010, 09:04 PM
I thought Raffa was brilliant on certain points particularly 6th game 2nd set. I'm really thrilled Andy won because I want him to win a slam and it's good when other players win. Andy may not beat Raffa at Wimbledon or RG but he has a Great chance at the US Open.

Myrre
08-14-2010, 09:04 PM
Nadal averages 1 winner every 10 minutes. :worship::worship::worship:

anon57
08-14-2010, 09:04 PM
Murray played well for the first set and a half though Nadal should have broken in the seventh game of the first set when Murray hit a DF of BP but the second serve was called in and Nadal didn't challenge. Murray had a bit of a dip in the second set but was able to overcome that.

KarlyM
08-14-2010, 09:04 PM
Murray was pretty strong, Rafa was :zzz:

dombrfc
08-14-2010, 09:04 PM
Great win for tennis

Sapeod
08-14-2010, 09:04 PM
nadal isnt winning the USO :bigwave:
He never was :lol:
tennis wins
Don't you loathe, Murray? :spit:

yuri27
08-14-2010, 09:04 PM
Nadal outclassed by the better HC player.

Murray hit some nice shots and I actually like watching him play against Nadal since he's quite aggressive and actively constructing points and showing his talent. Against other players Murray tends to push and that's very boring to look at.

We'll see how Rafa does at Cincy and USO where the courts don't suit his game as well as in Toronto. At least he gained some points!

It's not that simple.
Against other players,he is also being agressed which is not the case against Nadal whose style of play is mostly defensive.

Ben.
08-14-2010, 09:04 PM
Extremely fortunate for Murray to take the 1st set, both were playin about evenly. Murray really played great in the 2nd though, I really really hope that he doesn't go AWOL if it's Fed across the net tomorrow. Don't think that will be a worry if it is Djokovic.

Still despite how good Murray was the second set it was still a very close match. Rafa failed to take his chances though and I think he is having trouble executing an aggressive gameplan at the moment, I would class his play this week as very inconsistant and his serve was pretty dyer today. But he needed this match win or lose to guage himself, can only help his preperations for USO.

viruzzz
08-14-2010, 09:05 PM
Rafita rocks on clay, but he's a terrible lie in hardcourts.

philosophicalarf
08-14-2010, 09:05 PM
Grass is still irregular, much harder to take it early and expose him defensively.

tennisfan856
08-14-2010, 09:05 PM
kind of lucky there in the first set when murray should've lost the game on a double fault but rafa had to play the point out of fear of bringing it back to deuce. I felt it was the turning point in the match

The Magician
08-14-2010, 09:05 PM
This is Nadull on a hardcourt. His winning the AO is probably the biggest crime in tennis of the last 10 years, hopefully it will be put into context instead of used to show Nadull's "all surface game" :lol:

Drugs Ruin Lives
08-14-2010, 09:05 PM
Nadal averages 1 winner every 10 minutes. :worship::worship::worship:

That's 1 more than usual.

Voo de Mar
08-14-2010, 09:05 PM
Murray was lucky in the first set because at break point he served double fault but the linesman didn't call it. Anyway Murray was better, he won convincingly so it's tough to say that Nadal would have won that match if he had broken to lead 4:3 in the first set.

solowyn
08-14-2010, 09:05 PM
http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/fuck%20yeah.gif
:yeah:

DrJules
08-14-2010, 09:06 PM
Dedicated to "Start da Game".:worship:

Sapeod
08-14-2010, 09:06 PM
grass is slower than hard court these days :bigwave:
Unfortunately, this is correct.

garytennis
08-14-2010, 09:06 PM
First defeat for Rafa in Masters 1000 since his semi-final in Miami against Roddick.

rafa the best
08-14-2010, 09:06 PM
Murray a better player on HC?:eek: Where is his hard court major title?

Dini
08-14-2010, 09:06 PM
Very good performance all round from Murray - minus the first serve percentage. I was impressed with the way he was able to weather the storm after Nadal gained some momentum following the break back in the 2nd set. That game at 4-4* where Murray had 3 BPs and Rafa saved the first two was just a must win game for the outcome of the match I felt.

It was a good contest but Nadal was never able to bring his best when it really, really mattered. Never mind, this week is all about Murray finding his rhythm again on the tennis court and if the last two wins don't boost his confidence going into the USO I don't know what will.

scarecrows
08-14-2010, 09:06 PM
smart guy this Nadal
he will peak for US Open

Ad Wim
08-14-2010, 09:06 PM
Good match from Andy, specially end first set, beginning and end second. Dip halfway second set, but recovered well.

Has to serve better in the final though.

TheBoiledEgg
08-14-2010, 09:07 PM
Don't you loathe, Murray? :spit:

yes but there is Rafa who i equally loathe
so to see him struggle on US Hard Courts is hilarious and not for him to win US Open ever would be perfect :devil: :devil:

yuri27
08-14-2010, 09:07 PM
Extremely fortunate for Murray to take the 1st set, both were playin about evenly. Murray really played great in the 2nd though, I really really hope that he doesn't go AWOL if it's Fed across the net tomorrow. Don't think that will be a worry if it is Djokovic.

Still despite how good Murray was the second set it was still a very close match. Rafa failed to take his chances though and I think he is having trouble executing an aggressive gameplan at the moment and his serve was pretty dyer today. But he needed this match win or lose to guage himself, can only help his preperations for USO.

You seriously think that it's THE reason why Federer schooled him in their last 2 GS finals????:rolleyes:
Let's tell you that: Federer at his best on HC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nadal at his best on HC.
To beat Nadal on HC is not even close to be as hard as to beat Jesus-Fed on HC.

scoobs
08-14-2010, 09:07 PM
Let's face it, Murray needed this more than Rafa.

But he played better.

NJ88
08-14-2010, 09:07 PM
Murray played a great match today, nice to see him back to playing well. Hopefully he can win the tournament now :D

KoOlMaNsEaN
08-14-2010, 09:08 PM
Andy was aggressive at the right times in the rally putting Nadal in tough positions he couldn't get out of.

:D
Now Go Roger 2nite!

madmax
08-14-2010, 09:08 PM
This is Nadull on a hardcourt. His winning the AO is probably the biggest crime in tennis of the last 10 years, hopefully it will be put into context instead of used to show Nadull's "all surface game" :lol:

:devil::worship:

peribsen
08-14-2010, 09:08 PM
Good for Murray.

This has several good consequences:
- Murray may get a sorely needed confidence boost, which will be good for the sport.
- A man with Soderling's results will not get into the top 4; Soderling may one day deserve it, but he hasn't yet.
- If Murray can't beat Nadal more clearly on a day when Rafa's serve was awol, matches can be very close whenever rafa finds his serve. (to be fair, Andy's serve wasn´t hot either).

But I would love to see the reaction of the usual bunch if it was Rafa who:
- survived a break in the first set due to a bad line call (teher would be 100 messages about how much of a lucky bastard he is).
- decided to take a break to change his wristband when facing a BP in the 2nd set (it would have been seen as undeniable evidence of gamesmanship).
But some people seem incapable of avoiding double standards.

Anyway, a god deserved win for the Scot.

ORGASMATRON
08-14-2010, 09:08 PM
nadal is done for the year. see you at the clay court season :bigwave:

moon language
08-14-2010, 09:08 PM
Dedicated to "Start da Game".:worship:

Is that the one who thinks Nadal's backhand never breaks down? His backhand was the reason he lost this match (he was broken twice thanks to errors from it).

Persimmon
08-14-2010, 09:08 PM
17 months without winning a HC title.:o Longest losing streak on HC.:o

The Magician
08-14-2010, 09:09 PM
You seriously think that it's THE reason why Federer schooled him in their last 2 GS finals????:rolleyes:
Let's tell you that: Federer at his best on HC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nadal at his best on HC.
To beat Nadal on HC is not even close to be as hard as to beat Jesus-Fed on HC.

+1

moon language
08-14-2010, 09:09 PM
yes but there is Rafa who i equally loathe
so to see him struggle on US Hard Courts is hilarious and not for him to win US Open ever would be perfect :devil: :devil:

Toronto is in Canada.

philosophicalarf
08-14-2010, 09:09 PM
Murray a better player on HC?:eek: Where is his hard court major title?


I'd say rather ...

Decoturf: Murray clearly better, but Canada the most favourable to Nadal - this match should probably be closer if they played it 10 times.

Slow/low (aka Miami): Murray

Slow/high (aka Indian Wells): Nadal

Plexicushion: closer run thing

Slower than a mudpit soaked in honey (aka Rebound): Nadal



Of course, Nadal can beat Federer in slams ......

Johnny Groove
08-14-2010, 09:09 PM
This is Nadull on a hardcourt. His winning the AO is probably the biggest crime in tennis of the last 10 years, hopefully it will be put into context instead of used to show Nadull's "all surface game" :lol:

Yeah, beating the GOAT in a slam final, something the awesome Scot can't do, let alone take a set from.

Psichogauchovna
08-14-2010, 09:10 PM
hell yeah, Andy :drink:

straitup
08-14-2010, 09:10 PM
Great to see Murray play well...he was moving Rafa around and hitting through the court much better. That save from 15-40 down at 3-4 in the second set was big for him, otherwise it would've gone 3.

Rafa will play better I'm sure, but Murray's a tough customer on hard courts

Il Primo Uomo
08-14-2010, 09:11 PM
He never was :lol:



It's between Federer and Nadal boo. Murray, Djoko, Tomas and Soda are in the second row of favorites. Don't get it twisted :wavey:

decrepitude
08-14-2010, 09:11 PM
Now, I do remember Rafa saying before this tournament that his knees were fine, he was fine, 100%, don't I? :lol:

Roddickominator
08-14-2010, 09:11 PM
I think Murray just hates Nadal. I rememeber even early in his career during that AO match several years ago, he came out with an attitude and proceeded to actually play aggressive tennis(even if he lost that one in 5 sets). He continues to do this to Nadal on hardcourts. Matches like this are what baffle many of us about Murray...he can play good tennis but against most opponents he prefers to junkball.

Ben.
08-14-2010, 09:11 PM
You seriously think that it's THE reason why Federer schooled him in their last 2 GS finals????:rolleyes:
Let's tell you that: Federer at his best on HC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nadal at his best on HC.
To beat Nadal on HC is not even close to be as hard as to beat Jesus-Fed on HC.

Thanks for putting all of those words in my mouth captain obvious, it is much appreciated.

TheBoiledEgg
08-14-2010, 09:11 PM
Toronto is in Canada.
i know it is :p
US Open Series

tennis2tennis
08-14-2010, 09:11 PM
what the fuck are the canadians playing at why haven't they slowed down the hardcourts:devil:

ORGASMATRON
08-14-2010, 09:11 PM
nadal was at his best. he is just not good enough outside the slow courts of the FO and wimby to beat the very best :bigwave:

jadey
08-14-2010, 09:12 PM
Murray played that perfectly ... even tho I love Rafa , its good to see Murray playing well again !!!

henke007
08-14-2010, 09:12 PM
Rafa only 8 months to Monte Carlo :drink::o

Mugray serving at 40% , what a clownish draw of failures:o except Fat Dave who was out of Gas.

Guy Haines
08-14-2010, 09:13 PM
Clearly demonstrates how different the matchup is on hard, as opposed to grass. Great performance from Andy.

Truth.

I just wish Murray would play this way more often, and finally step up at a hard court major.

The Magician
08-14-2010, 09:13 PM
Yeah, beating the GOAT in a slam final, something the awesome Scot can't do, let alone take a set from.

It was a combination of his matchup issues, Fed's game (especially his serve) going AWOL, Nadal's joke draw (Verdasco in the SF :lol:), the horrible new court surface at AO, and Nadull tanking the indoor season/TMC. This match should show you what happens when Nadull has to play a real HC player, even on a shitty slow court like Toronto :wavey:

calvinhobbes
08-14-2010, 09:13 PM
That's 1 more than usual.

1 winner or 1 minute? ? ? ?:devil:

jadey
08-14-2010, 09:14 PM
I think Murray just hates Nadal. I rememeber even early in his career during that AO match several years ago, he came out with an attitude and proceeded to actually play aggressive tennis(even if he lost that one in 5 sets). He continues to do this to Nadal on hardcourts. Matches like this are what baffle many of us about Murray...he can play good tennis but against most opponents he prefers to junkball.

He doesnt hate Nadal :rolls: Nadal brings out the best of Murray.

peribsen
08-14-2010, 09:14 PM
nadal was at his best. he is just not good enough outside the slow courts of the FO and wimby to beat the very best :bigwave:

Really? He couldn't get 2 first serves on a row during most of the match and several of his best shots went out by a foot. Nadal is at his best physically, that's for sure, but today he played really bad.

Il Primo Uomo
08-14-2010, 09:14 PM
I think Murray just hates Nadal. I rememeber even early in his career during that AO match several years ago, he came out with an attitude and proceeded to actually play aggressive tennis(even if he lost that one in 5 sets). He continues to do this to Nadal on hardcourts. Matches like this are what baffle many of us about Murray...he can play good tennis but against most opponents he prefers to junkball.

Nope, Nadal and he are cool. Murray hates Fed but that didn't detter Fido from knocking the shit out of him in them most important matches.

The Magician
08-14-2010, 09:14 PM
Also expect Toronto to change to clay within the next few years :lol:

Modetopia
08-14-2010, 09:14 PM
Nadal against Top 10 @ Hard Court last 12 months:o
1W-12L

BigJohn
08-14-2010, 09:14 PM
Toto, I've a feeling we're not on clay/grass any more.

Guy Haines
08-14-2010, 09:15 PM
Yeah, beating the GOAT in a slam final, something the awesome Scot can't do, let alone take a set from.

Don't waste your time on this year's ACC champ, who doesn't even deserve or need a tourney for the throne.

FormerRafaFan
08-14-2010, 09:15 PM
Congrats. All the Rafa haters will probably orgasm over this result.

To be serious here for a moment.. Andy obviously was the better player today and played well. Rafa did not and came out short, but he seemed to improve by the second set. Not enough to win, but he did put on a decent fight there. All credit to Andy though. Well deserved win and I hope he goes on to win the tourney now.

As for Rafa, I hope he can take from this the positive and also the things he has to change/improve about his game in order to win USO. Maybe prcitising his serve wouldn't be such a bad idea. Kinda glad he got the practise he needed on hard court by playing in Rogers Cup and I'm glad he reached the SF. Nicely done by Rafa. Kinda glad he didn't win here. Andy obviously played better and this can prevent Rafa from overplaying, and at the same time as he got some matches on HC. A win-win imo.

I really hope Rafa can see what is wrong with his game, train more on hc and improve his game, including his serve. He'll never stand a chance winning USO serving like that.

henke007
08-14-2010, 09:15 PM
Nadal against Top 10 @ Hard Court last 12 months:o
1W-12L
:haha:

Johnny Groove
08-14-2010, 09:16 PM
It was a combination of his matchup issues, Fed's game (especially his serve) going AWOL, Nadal's joke draw (Verdasco in the SF :lol:), the horrible new court surface at AO, and Nadull tanking the indoor season/TMC. This match should show you what happens when Nadull has to play a real HC player, even on a shitty slow court like Toronto :wavey:

Wah wah wah :crying2:

All you do is make excuses like a bitch and complain about Nadal :zzz:

Guy Haines
08-14-2010, 09:16 PM
Toto, I've a feeling we're not on clay/grass any more.

Sounds about right. Rafa will never be a natural hard court player the way he is on grass and clay.

djb84xi
08-14-2010, 09:16 PM
It's about time Murray put up some kind of big result, because he hasn't done anything of this caliber since Australia. I'll give credit where it's due. He deserved to win, because he executed better. As for Rafa, he can't win everything, but every loss will teach him a lesson. If he is to have a legit shot at winning NYC, his serve must be at a level far higher than it was this week, and he has to definitely execute his game. That didn't happen this week. Too much moonballing and not enough flattening out his shots. I expect him to play far better next week in Cincinnati.

Congrats to Murray. Job well done.

madmax
08-14-2010, 09:16 PM
Nadal against Top 10 @ Hard Court last 12 months:o
1W-12L

Hardcourt GOD:worship:

Il Primo Uomo
08-14-2010, 09:18 PM
It was a combination of his matchup issues, Fed's game (especially his serve) going AWOL, Nadal's joke draw (Verdasco in the SF :lol:), the horrible new court surface at AO, and Nadull tanking the indoor season/TMC. This match should show you what happens when Nadull has to play a real HC player, even on a shitty slow court like Toronto :wavey:

Wasn't "Nadull" supposed to play Andy Murray in the SFs? hum...

And you have no credibility whatsoever. Judging by your shitty, stanky avatar you do the apology of that so called magician who never picked an important achievement out of magic hat and yet have the nerve to call Nadal dull? Bitch please, have a fucking seat.

peribsen
08-14-2010, 09:18 PM
This match should show you what happens when Nadull has to play a real HC player, even on a shitty slow court like Toronto :wavey:

Please tell us. I remind you he won AO against Fed, 2 IW against Djokovic and Murray, Olympics SF against Djoko on a very fast court and Canada against Agassi. I think it would be fair to say all of those players are 'real HC players'.

You are as balanced as always.

swebright
08-14-2010, 09:19 PM
I think Murray worships Nadal. Probably because Rafa doesn't say a thing against him (unlike Roger).

Anyway, Murray played solid when he was down break points. That's the difference in this much. We have seen him played better than this in the past. And when Rafa looks hasseled and his hair is out of place, that's when he's about to lose.:devil:

tangerine_dream
08-14-2010, 09:19 PM
Murray-Djokovic final, please.

ORGASMATRON
08-14-2010, 09:19 PM
:bigwave:

Guy Haines
08-14-2010, 09:21 PM
Wasn't "Nadull" supposed to play Andy Murray in the SFs? hum...

And you have no credibility whatsoever. Judging by your shitty, stanky avatar you do the apology of that so called magician who never picked an important achievement out of magic hat and yet have the nerve to call Nadal dull? Bitch please, have a fucking seat.

:lol: Ownage.

henke007
08-14-2010, 09:22 PM
Mugrays way to the final!! A guy with an IQ under 50 diving on his broken arm, an exhausted Fat Dave, and a guy with no serve who hits the serve box with his returns as Murray serves 40% 1st serves.:scratch::zzz:

osmonde
08-14-2010, 09:22 PM
Murray had played the final in LA which prepared him for hard court season.
He played offensively and it paid. Rafa will get more matches in Cinci and will progress.
Good game in all, Rafa went further than last year so maybe in Cinci he will reach the final, who knows.
Hat to Murray, I think he just wanted badly to keep his 4th rank.

enigma
08-14-2010, 09:23 PM
Nadal against Top 10 @ Hard Court last 12 months:o
1W-12L

:o

The Magician
08-14-2010, 09:23 PM
Please tell us. I remind you he won AO against Fed, 2 IW against Djokovic and Murray, Olympics SF against Djoko on a very fast court and Canada against Agassi. I think it would be fair to say all of those players are 'real HC players'.

You are as balanced as always.

Yeah old man Agassi, Chokervic who literally was one easy smash away from an easy win, Murray in hurricane wins, Fed winning a set serving at 30% and totally collapsing in the 5th. Every player gets lucky, and Nadal and Fed are the best at using that luck to it's full advantage, but let's not pretend Nadal actually is a better player than any of the players you mentioned or that he earned those titles through domination and aggressivness :wavey:

cocrcici
08-14-2010, 09:23 PM
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The Magician
08-14-2010, 09:25 PM
Wasn't "Nadull" supposed to play Andy Murray in the SFs? hum...

And you have no credibility whatsoever. Judging by your shitty, stanky avatar you do the apology of that so called magician who never picked an important achievement out of magic hat and yet have the nerve to call Nadal dull? Bitch please, have a fucking seat.

Of course Verdasco played a great match against Murray so that he could bend over for his idol Nadull in the next round :o Santoro is a legend, I wouldn't expect someone who likes WTA, especially the lumbering, screaming, bitching beast Serena to understand :wavey:

sammy01
08-14-2010, 09:26 PM
see now if murray played like that all the time i would be a fan, but i bet it will be back to pushing in the final.

still i'll enjoy his good tennis for tonight.

nadal stepped it up at 1-3 to 4-3 then went too passive again.

FormerRafaFan
08-14-2010, 09:26 PM
Rafa only 8 months to Monte Carlo :drink::o

Mugray serving at 40% , what a clownish draw of failures:o except Fat Dave who was out of Gas.

And where is your precious Söderling today? At least Rafa reached the SF, unlike Sodaclown.

I'm glad Murray won today and will get the #4 spot again. He's much more deserving of the ranking than Soderling, who hasn't convinced enough that he deserves it. Murray is clearly the better player. Oh, and I almos forgot... Murray's attitude is 100 times better than Sodaclown too, he's such a sympathetic guy. I'm happy for his win today, and I'm not even a fan..

I hope he goes on to win the tournament now.

cardio
08-14-2010, 09:27 PM
Well, at least we dont have 2 pink shirts in final, it would be embarrassing...

Certinfy
08-14-2010, 09:27 PM
Dedicated to all Rafatards.

rafa_maniac
08-14-2010, 09:28 PM
Nadal needs to sort his shit out on HCs, he keeps expecting players to hand him matches after months of domination but it doesn't happen against the top guys, they go out there and win it. Very good from Murray today as expected, not nearly good enough from Rafa sadly.

MacTheKnife
08-14-2010, 09:28 PM
Good stuff from murray today. Nadal was really confused on how to deal with him. Good job by murray of staying just aggressive enough to keep nadal off balance. He was cutting down nadal's set up time on his BH. Drew enough errors and short balls to attack. We'll see if he can keep this up.

peribsen
08-14-2010, 09:28 PM
.. but let's not pretend Nadal actually is a better player than any of the players you mentioned or that he earned those titles through domination and aggressivness :wavey:

I never said Nadal was a better HC player than any of the players I mentioned, it's you who always explains away anything Nadal achieves in order to deny him any merit, don't try to turn things around and say I'm the one who is biased here.

And please, since you are always barking about Nadal's alleged 'gamesmanship', how would you describe Murray changing his wristband when facing a BP in the 2nd set? (I don't think there is anything wrong with it, but you always say Nadal is cheating when he does similar things).

coonster14
08-14-2010, 09:30 PM
i kind of expected this result.

hopefully murray plays well and finally bags his first title for 2010 here in Toronto!!!

philosophicalarf
08-14-2010, 09:31 PM
Nadal against Top 10 @ Hard Court last 12 months:o
1W-12L

Even worse if you look closely. Exclude Indian Wells, where he's almost as effective as on clay, and since US Open 2008 he's 3/19 vs top10 on hard+indoors. Wins over Tsonga Miami2010 and Paris2009, and Fed Aus 2009.

The Magician
08-14-2010, 09:31 PM
And where is your precious Söderling today? At least Rafa reached the SF, unlike Sodaclown.

I'm glad Murray won today and will get the #4 spot again. He's much more deserving of the ranking than Soderling, who hasn't convinced enough that he deserves it. Murray is clearly the better player. Oh, and I almos forgot... Murray's attitude is 100 times better than Sodaclown too, he's such a sympathetic guy. I'm happy for his win today, and I'm not even a fan..

I hope he goes on to win the tournament now.

Yup, here's the order of hate for a Rafa fan:

Soda>Fed>Muzza>Del Potro>Djokovic>Nalbandian>Whatever player just beat him

It's a good resource to analyze the responses after a Rafa match :lol:

Sapeod
08-14-2010, 09:31 PM
It's between Federer and Nadal boo. Murray, Djoko, Tomas and Soda are in the second row of favorites. Don't get it twisted :wavey:
Nadal is never a favourite for the US Open.
Today's match is one of the reasons why.

peribsen
08-14-2010, 09:32 PM
Leaving aside the small fact that Rafa lost (snif), I'm really very happy for Murray, he needs a couple of wins like this in order to settle some issues with himself.

If Andy manages to gain in consistency, Fed returns looking for revenge, and Delpo can recover his September 2009 level, we are going to enjoy tennis a lot more!!!

finn98
08-14-2010, 09:33 PM
Well, at least we dont have 2 pink shirts in final, it would be embarrassing...

THIS

Certinfy
08-14-2010, 09:33 PM
Nadal was injured, no?

madmax
08-14-2010, 09:34 PM
Nadal is never a favourite for the US Open.
Today's match is one of the reasons why.

affirmative:worship:Nadull is never a factor at Flushing Meadows and never will be. Nadulltards better embrace this undeniable truth of life

FormerRafaFan
08-14-2010, 09:34 PM
MTF is so predictable. Rafa losing = 10+ pages. Rafa winning = 3 pages.

You guys are pathetic. Haters obviously love to hate.

Guy Haines
08-14-2010, 09:34 PM
Wah wah wah :crying2:

All you do is make excuses like a bitch and complain about Nadal :zzz:

Have you noticed that MTF is never complete without a type of this kind?

There's always one.

The regular and longtime posters here who like other players and just hate Nadal, you learn about them and what they like, sometimes get along with them, sometimes not, spar with them about tennis or whatever.

But there's always at least one poster on MTF who is morbidly obsessed with Nadal. A character it's easy to picture living 24/7 at the keyboard (yet somehow with only 855 posts, post after post, in this case) with visions of Nadal dancing through his head in a way no Nadal fan could ever match.

So obsessed that it's nigh impossible for him to type a sentence without a reference to Nadal. Nadal, Nadal, Nadal, Nadal, Nadal, Nadal, Nadull, Nadal, Nadull, Nadull... the dullest writing and thinking imaginable, repeated over, and over, and over, except when it's interrupted by racist remarks about Monfils or some other blather.

These types always think they know best how tennis should be played, what classic tennis is, yet often don't know jack about the history of the game, either. Their version of tennis history is whatever era or eras a player that they asskiss was victorious.

:yawn:

Anyway, Murray played well. Good on him for a pair of excellent and aggressively played wins.

The Magician
08-14-2010, 09:34 PM
I never said Nadal was a better HC player than any of the players I mentioned, it's you who always explains away anything Nadal achieves in order to deny him any merit, don't try to turn things around and say I'm the one who is biased here.

And please, since you are always barking about Nadal's alleged 'gamesmanship', how would you describe Murray changing his wristband when facing a BP in the 2nd set? (I don't think there is anything wrong with it, but you always say Nadal is cheating when he does similar things).

Muzza's wristband was actually coming off. Nadull fakes his injuries and takes too long on purpose. It would be akin to Muzza taking his wristband throwing it at Nadal, and then taking time to change after claiming in the press conference his wristbands had a chronic problem of coming off :lol:

sammy01
08-14-2010, 09:34 PM
watching these 2 hit 40 feet over the net every point on hardcourts just makes me miss del potro's flat hard groundies so much.

Matt01
08-14-2010, 09:34 PM
Congrats, Andy. Well played :yeah:


nadal was at his best. he is just not good enough outside the slow courts of the FO and wimby to beat the very best :bigwave:


Yeah, that's also why he beat your fave in the final of a HC Slam :lol:


I think Murray just hates Nadal.


Wrong. Murray loves Nadal. He said so in an interview not long ago.

Guy Haines
08-14-2010, 09:35 PM
Nadal was injured, no?

You disappoint me.

peribsen
08-14-2010, 09:35 PM
Yup, here's the order of hate for a Rafa fan:

Soda>Fed>Muzza>Del Potro>Djokovic>Nalbandian>Whatever player just beat him

It's a good resource to analyze the responses after a Rafa match :lol:

As always, thank you for keeping us informed about what Rafa fans think, sometimes we get lost and have different opinions, good that gentle souls like you help us back to Nadal fan orthodoxy!!

Really, Magician, don't you ever laugh at what you write?

The Magician
08-14-2010, 09:36 PM
Nadal was injured, no?
He started stretching and bending down in the 2nd set so he has the excuse ready if he needs it, and the media/commentators are more than willing to play along.
Have you noticed that MTF is never complete without a type of this kind?

There's always one.

The regular and longtime posters here who like other players and just hate Nadal, you learn about them and what they like, sometimes get along with them, sometimes not, spar with them about tennis or whatever.

But there's always at least one poster on MTF who is morbidly obsessed with Nadal. A character it's easy to picture living 24/7 at the keyboard (yet somehow with only 855 posts, post after post, in this case) with visions of Nadal dancing through his head in a way no Nadal fan could ever match.

So obsessed that it's nigh impossible for him to type a sentence without a reference to Nadal. Nadal, Nadal, Nadal, Nadal, Nadal, Nadal, Nadull, Nadal, Nadull, Nadull... the dullest writing and thinking imaginable, repeated over, and over, and over, except when it's interrupted by racist remarks about Monfils or some other blather.

These types always think they know best how tennis should be played, what classic tennis is, yet often don't know jack about the history of the game, either. Their version of tennis history is whatever era or eras a player that they asskiss was victorious.

:yawn:

Anyway, Murray played well. Good on him for a pair of excellent and aggressively played wins.
Sounds like you're the one who's obsessed with me:rolleyes::wavey:

superslam77
08-14-2010, 09:37 PM
Toni will soon be asking to change the american season to clay no?

allpro
08-14-2010, 09:37 PM
a cakewalk, a clinic for mugray. nadal has no chance whatsoever of winning the uso hitting short balls like that. during one point he hit four backhands that didn't even reach the service line :rolleyes:

well done muggy and good luck against fed manana :hatoff:

Guy Haines
08-14-2010, 09:37 PM
watching these 2 hit 40 feet over the net every point on hardcourts just makes me miss del potro's flat hard groundies so much.

I hope Juan can come back.

Why Nadal hits higher over the net on hardcourts than on grass or clay is a good question. I guess because he gets into defensive positions quickly. But it isn't a winning solution against a player who can execute.

emotion
08-14-2010, 09:38 PM
Toni will soon be asking to change the american season to clay no?

demanding, really

FormerRafaFan
08-14-2010, 09:38 PM
Nadal was injured, no?

No, this time he just played like crap while 100 % fit and injury free.

affirmative:worship:Nadull is never a factor at Flushing Meadows and never will be. Nadulltards better embrace this undeniable truth of life

Uhm, I still think we can't count out Rafa. He did after all get to the SF here, among the best 4 players in this torunament. Sure, his serve was crappy, but he can be very dangerous if he can just get his serve to work properly again. Rafa always needs some time to adapt to the surface and to make changes to improve his game, this is not something new. Will be interesting to see how he does in Cincy, definitely a tough draw, so he will have his work cut out for him..

Persimmon
08-14-2010, 09:39 PM
Nadal is never a favourite for the US Open.
Today's match is one of the reasons why.

+1

Toronto is a SLOW HC:wavey: USO is faster. Rafa's HC game has gone backwards. Two years ago he was playing much better on HC, winning Toronto and Olympics. His game is weaker on HC now. His HC game has regressed to 2006 levels:o Remember he lost to aging Ljubo on HC this year.

The Magician
08-14-2010, 09:40 PM
I think 25 to Life deserves a bump for being a devoted fan and calling out the fickle nature of MTF in the live results thread :worship:

Guy Haines
08-14-2010, 09:41 PM
Sounds like you're the one who's obsessed with me:rolleyes::wavey:

Couldn't see that one coming.

Actually, you're one in a line, pal. Nothing new or interesting about you except for some racist crap.

FormerRafaFan
08-14-2010, 09:41 PM
Dedicated to all Rafatards.

Rafatards are actually willing to admit it when Rafa plays crap and even CREDITS his opponent for playing well. Imagine that. Maybe Fedtards have something to learn from the raftards. Like Roger said, he never loses unless he's injured, right? LMAO.

TheWall
08-14-2010, 09:42 PM
http://lolfed.com/wp-content/uploads/borat-very-nice.jpg

Andi-M
08-14-2010, 09:42 PM
:yeah: That was exactly what the doctor ordered.

Important win for Andy. Hit his FH with some authority today, and it was nice to see him hit winners of mid pace mid court balls as he is struggled with this in recent times.

1st serve sucked but because of his excellence from the ground still won with something to spare 8.5/10. :D

Nadal was below par. But on a hardcourt he is not going to beat a top form Murray
Murray has proved this on 3 ocassions when he is on top of his game on HC Rafa just dosent have an answer.

Rafa will also struggle with a top form Berdych or Soderling or Djokovic etc. But he is ridiculousy tough to beat, and I think he'll probably make semis in Cincy and USO at the very least.

Pirata.
08-14-2010, 09:43 PM
Of course Verdasco played a great match against Murray so that he could bend over for his idol Nadull in the next round

I would hardly call 7-6(5), 4-6, 6-7(2), 7-6(1), 4-6 "bending over"

Ibracadabra
08-14-2010, 09:43 PM
Nice moonballing from both throughout.

peribsen
08-14-2010, 09:44 PM
Nadull fakes his injuries and takes too long on purpose.

Could you please provide any evidence of any of those two assertions? As for being slow on his serves, have you ever noticed that Rafa has obsessive traits (like the 3 bottles), he always performs almost exactly the same ritual (including putting his hair behind both ears just before serving). It's the way he concentrates. He doesn´t do it for the benefit of his rival, but for his own sakes. It's not like if Rafa served in a hurry when he is winning and changed his ways dramatically when he isn´t.

But of course, you loathe Nadal way too much to grant him even the benefit of the doubt. problem is you take your own prejudice as revealed truth.

nole_no1
08-14-2010, 09:44 PM
Time for Djokovic to do his job:devil:

Nidhogg
08-14-2010, 09:45 PM
Murray is starting to come to life again.

Guy Haines
08-14-2010, 09:45 PM
+1

Toronto is a SLOW HC:wavey: USO is faster. Rafa's HC game has gone backwards. Two years ago he was playing much better on HC, winning Toronto and Olympics. His game is weaker on HC now. His HC game has regressed to 2006 levels:o Remember he lost to aging Ljubo on HC this year.

I agree. He was working his way to some kind of hardcourt game, which peaked in 2008, obviously. In Australia it was at its absolute best. To win the Olympics on a very fast surface, he played aggressively as well, though his win over Djokovic wasn't aggressive in the late moments and was ugly.

Now he's a top 5-10 hard court player who is a pigeon for the top 3 hard court players and vulnerable to many others when they're playing well.

philosophicalarf
08-14-2010, 09:46 PM
Murray is starting to come to life again.

Top 4 seeding was gone unless he made the final min, and probably still needs to win it given Sod catches him by another 350 points at Cinci.

TheWall
08-14-2010, 09:46 PM
Time for Djokovic to do his job:devil:

I think Federer would give Murray a much better match, Nole has lost the last 3 times against Murray (0-6 in sets).

allpro
08-14-2010, 09:48 PM
Nadull fakes his injuries and takes too long on purpose. It would be akin to Muzza taking his wristband throwing it at Nadal, and then taking time to change after claiming in the press conference his wristbands had a chronic problem of coming off :lol:

quit acting like a needy little attention-whore and man the fuck up.

fran70
08-14-2010, 09:49 PM
It was a great match for Murray who is playing much better and more aggresive since that LA final.:yeah:

The Magician
08-14-2010, 09:49 PM
Couldn't see that one coming.

Actually, you're one in a line, pal. Nothing new or interesting about you except for some racist crap.

Yeah calling out the arrogant and brutish Williams sisters is now racism :rolleyes: Thank god this forum isn't infected with posters like you like tennisforum :wavey:

quit acting like a needy little attention-whore and man the fuck up.
That was rude. Guess I bring out the true nature of the "humble" Rafa fans :o

Persimmon
08-14-2010, 09:51 PM
nadal is done for the year. see you at the clay court season :bigwave:

NID.:o

malisha
08-14-2010, 09:54 PM
good

pitty he didnt play like this in Wimby

think he is a fav against both Fed or Djoko

kindling
08-14-2010, 09:55 PM
murray played some nice tennis, and his attitude was better.. good for him.

Agreed, no whining or unnecessary celebratory howling. I liked Murray's attitude out there today.

HKz
08-14-2010, 09:57 PM
So much hate hahaha, so predictable.

malisha
08-14-2010, 09:57 PM
we saw here nomerous times that he can actually hit a forehand...he was painting the lines with it strong but accurate with spin and angle

returned well...getting well inside the baseline on second serve...agressive mindset

i suppose he will switch it for the final and squeeze the errors from Fed

this is not a slam

Guy Haines
08-14-2010, 09:59 PM
Yup, here's the order of hate for a Rafa fan:

Soda>Fed>Muzza>Del Potro>Djokovic>Nalbandian>Whatever player just beat him

It's a good resource to analyze the responses after a Rafa match :lol:

Thanks for the neg rep Magician. About a post that didn't even refer to you by name. And you call me "paranoid" while giving the rep. Take a look in the mirror.

You're so allegedly all-knowing (ie wrong) and certifiably Nadal obsessed and hate-driven that you think you can identify the order of hates of Nadal fans. :cuckoo:

malisha
08-14-2010, 10:00 PM
No, this time he just played like crap

LMAO
Rafa played well...his best match on this tournament IMO

ApproachShot
08-14-2010, 10:01 PM
Solid play by Murray - the best I have seen him play since his match against Nadal at the Australian Open. Could he become the first person since Agassi 15 years ago to defend his title?

Manequin75
08-14-2010, 10:04 PM
oh so what i expected happened. Rafa lost to Murray today.

His number one ranking aint going anywhere...
He will still be top seed at the US open ...
He still is one of the favorites for US open...
He still has won the most titles this year....
Did I mention he is the world number one with a ridiculous lead over #2 ?

Whats all this 11 pages worth of commotion for?

Take a chill pill non-rafa fans and keep clapping for your #2, #3 or whatever # ranked players you are supporting.

As for Rafa fans, he will peak at the right time this summer. Count on it. :)

Guy Haines
08-14-2010, 10:05 PM
Yeah calling out the arrogant and brutish Williams sisters is now racism :rolleyes: Thank god this forum isn't infected with posters like you like tennisforum :wavey:

You compared Monfils to a chimpanzee, negatively.

By all means have the last word tho. I know it'll be so lame and wrong that I don't care.

RagingLamb
08-14-2010, 10:11 PM
Great match by Murray, but not really a surprise.

Murray was serving well at the beginning, and hitting great shots from very defensive positions throughout, so Rafa couldn't get into a rhythm.

Nadal had to hit the line 3-4 times in a row to climb back in the second, but he had no real answer to Murray's great defence. And anytime Nadal resorted to the backhand slice he lost the point, something that didn't happen on grass.

The Magician
08-14-2010, 10:12 PM
You compared Monfils to a chimpanzee, negatively.

By all means have the last word tho. I know it'll be so lame and wrong that I don't care.

Not my fault Clownfils jumps around hurting himself, plays like he has no brain, and loses to mugs because he's too busy entertaining himself. But this thread is about Nadal, no reason to bring him in or make this personal :wavey:

The Magician
08-14-2010, 10:15 PM
Great match by Murray, but not really a surprise.

Murray was serving well at the beginning, and hitting great shots from very defensive positions throughout, so Rafa couldn't get into a rhythm.

Nadal had to hit the line 3-4 times in a row to climb back in the second, but he had no real answer to Murray's great defence. And anytime Nadal resorted to the backhand slice he lost the point, something that didn't happen on grass.

Yesterday Berdych was punishing Fed's slices, and he has one of the best in the game. Nadal has an awful slice that sits up and floats for far too long, but I think the slice in general is another outdated shot of past tennis eras like serve-volley and chip and charge.

paseo
08-14-2010, 10:17 PM
No, this time he just played like crap while 100 % fit and injury free.

Rafatards are actually willing to admit it when Rafa plays crap

No. Nadal played well. Maybe not his very best, but quite well actually. And about his serve going AWOL, come on, he got 61% in while Murray only 46%. Anything over 60% is good.
This Murray is good. And he's too good for Nadal today. His AO10 form is back. Nobody could stop him today, well except full-flight NinjaFed. I'll be surprised if Murray doesn't win this tourney now.

Great match.

Goldenoldie
08-14-2010, 10:19 PM
Round 1 vs Malisse I watched - Murray played crap
Round 2 vs Monfils I watched - Murray played crap
QF vs Nalbandian I didn't watch - Murray had a great win
SF vs Nadal I only watched a few games in middle of second set - Murray lost serve. Apparently he played great before and after that period.

I sense some sort of pattern beginning to emerge here!

careergrandslam
08-14-2010, 10:20 PM
i got what i hoped for. i was hoping rafa would lose and i knew he would lose aswell.
he is not ready to win HC titles just yet.
hopefully he can win the big one that matters for him this year which is the USO.
thats where his legacy will be remembered.

360 points towards the rankings is good stuff.

was happy with his aggressive returning and going for his shots most of the week.
i believe that is the game u need to win the USO.


congrattz murray, take the title.

Topspin Forehand
08-14-2010, 10:23 PM
Rafa can't be the best at everything. At least he is the king of grass and clay. :)

Duncan
08-14-2010, 10:24 PM
Besides his serve that was an awesome performance from Andy. Rafa never had a chance really!

Andy is back

Andi-M
08-14-2010, 10:26 PM
Round 1 vs Malisse I watched - Murray played crap
Round 2 vs Monfils I watched - Murray played crap
QF vs Nalbandian I didn't watch - Murray had a great win
SF vs Nadal I only watched a few games in middle of second set - Murray lost serve. Apparently he played great before and after that period.

I sense some sort of pattern beginning to emerge here!

Do you mind giving Us open a miss...:p

careergrandslam
08-14-2010, 10:27 PM
oh so what i expected happened. Rafa lost to Murray today.

His number one ranking aint going anywhere...
He will still be top seed at the US open ...
He still is one of the favorites for US open...
He still has won the most titles this year....
Did I mention he is the world number one with a ridiculous lead over #2 ?

Whats all this 11 pages worth of commotion for?

Take a chill pill non-rafa fans and keep clapping for your #2, #3 or whatever # ranked players you are supporting.

As for Rafa fans, he will peak at the right time this summer. Count on it. :)

agreed.
i wonder who rafa would prefer to win this title in terms of rafa then being able to secure his number 1 ranking for the year.
anyone have any idea?
im guessing rafa would prefer muzza to win since he is furthest behind the ranking points but which of muzza/fed/djoko has the most points to defend for the rest of the season?

careergrandslam
08-14-2010, 10:34 PM
fed takes revenge over birdman for wimby loss.
muzza takes revenge over rafa for wimby loss.

scoobs
08-14-2010, 10:34 PM
Round 1 vs Malisse I watched - Murray played crap
Round 2 vs Monfils I watched - Murray played crap
QF vs Nalbandian I didn't watch - Murray had a great win
SF vs Nadal I only watched a few games in middle of second set - Murray lost serve. Apparently he played great before and after that period.

I sense some sort of pattern beginning to emerge here!

Do you mind giving Us open a miss...:p

Yes, please do :lol:

cuteasiangirl
08-14-2010, 10:36 PM
oh so what i expected happened. Rafa lost to Murray today.

His number one ranking aint going anywhere...
He will still be top seed at the US open ...
He still is one of the favorites for US open...
He still has won the most titles this year....
Did I mention he is the world number one with a ridiculous lead over #2 ?

Whats all this 11 pages worth of commotion for?

Take a chill pill non-rafa fans and keep clapping for your #2, #3 or whatever # ranked players you are supporting.

As for Rafa fans, he will peak at the right time this summer. Count on it. :)
Mannequin 75: Do you really think he will? You don't see his play as indicative of his performances at the US Open? Heartbroken with the result of this match, although I expected this outcome.

samanosuke
08-14-2010, 10:39 PM
Nadal injured again ?

brent-o
08-14-2010, 10:43 PM
Now, I do remember Rafa saying before this tournament that his knees were fine, he was fine, 100%, don't I? :lol:

What's your point? Has he said they're hurting him now?

brent-o
08-14-2010, 10:45 PM
affirmative:worship:Nadull is never a factor at Flushing Meadows and never will be. Nadulltards better embrace this undeniable truth of life

Not even a FACTOR? He's made back-to-back semifinals. I sure hope you notified the opponents he beat to get there that he's not dangerous at all.

brent-o
08-14-2010, 10:48 PM
Great win for Murray. If he's playing well, it should be an interesting Open. However, I'm not ready to discount Rafa for the Open yet. Even in 2009 when he was still struggling mightily with his confidence, he made the semis. So, I doubt he's that bad mentally/game wise.

gusavo
08-14-2010, 10:56 PM
Why is Rafa clearly worse on hard compared to clay and grass? Clay he would have killed Murray and grass he would have straight setted him.

lol what

Andy may not beat Raffa at Wimbledon or RG but he has a Great chance at the US Open.
huh

philosophicalarf
08-14-2010, 11:03 PM
Not even a FACTOR? He's made back-to-back semifinals.


Easy draws...

2009:
Juan Martin Del Potro Rafael Nadal U.S. Open - New York 6-2 6-2 6-2
Rafael Nadal Fernando Gonzalez U.S. Open - New York 7-6(4) 7-6(2) 6-0
Rafael Nadal Gael Monfils U.S. Open - New York 6-7(3) 6-3 6-1 6-3
Rafael Nadal Nicolas Almagro U.S. Open - New York 7-5 6-4 6-4
Rafael Nadal Nicolas Kiefer U.S. Open - New York 6-0 3-6 6-3 6-4
Rafael Nadal Richard Gasquet U.S. Open - New York 6-2 6-2 6-3

2008:
Andy Murray Rafael Nadal U.S. Open - New York 6-2 7-6(5) 4-6 6-4
Rafael Nadal Mardy Fish U.S. Open - New York 3-6 6-1 6-4 6-2
Rafael Nadal Sam Querrey U.S. Open - New York 6-2 5-7 7-6(2) 6-3
Rafael Nadal Viktor Troicki U.S. Open - New York 6-4 6-3 6-0
Rafael Nadal Ryler Deheart U.S. Open - New York 6-1 6-2 6-4
Rafael Nadal Bjorn Phau U.S. Open - New York 7-6(4) 6-3 7-6(4)

Mjau!
08-14-2010, 11:03 PM
Very satisfying result and nice to see Murray back to his best (apart from his missing 1st serve today...). It's so nice that he's finally making some progress with his forehand. It's definitely a bigger weapon than it used to be.

Really? He couldn't get 2 first serves on a row during most of the match and several of his best shots went out by a foot. Nadal is at his best physically, that's for sure, but today he played really bad.

Nonsense, Rafa played the hard court tennis of his life and was still outclassed by Murray serving at 46%.

Wah wah wah :crying2:

All you do is make excuses like a bitch and complain about Nadal :zzz:

Those are not excuses, but facts. :shrug:

Please tell us. I remind you he won AO against Fed, 2 IW against Djokovic and Murray, Olympics SF against Djoko on a very fast court and Canada against Agassi. I think it would be fair to say all of those players are 'real HC players'.

You are as balanced as always.

Very easy matchup vs injured opponent

Nervous in his first big match... clay in disguise

Played in farcial conditions... clay in disguise

Undeserved. He lost more points and games than he won. Not fair

Has-been from weak-era

I never said Nadal was a better HC player than any of the players I mentioned, it's you who always explains away anything Nadal achieves in order to deny him any merit, don't try to turn things around and say I'm the one who is biased here.

And please, since you are always barking about Nadal's alleged 'gamesmanship', how would you describe Murray changing his wristband when facing a BP in the 2nd set? (I don't think there is anything wrong with it, but you always say Nadal is cheating when he does similar things).

It was clearly bothering the englishman as he kept adjusting it after every serve. The wristband was probably the sole reason Andy got himself in trouble in the first place. Very amatuerish to not exchange it during changeover.

+1

Toronto is a SLOW HC:wavey: USO is faster. Rafa's HC game has gone backwards. Two years ago he was playing much better on HC, winning Toronto and Olympics. His game is weaker on HC now. His HC game has regressed to 2006 levels:o Remember he lost to aging Ljubo on HC this year.

Nadal no has declined at all, the hard court game just passed him by.

River
08-14-2010, 11:04 PM
I won't say Murray's gonna win the US Open. He has a tendency to play awesome then suddenly get his ass kicked in Grand Slams, ala Davydenko.

decrepitude
08-14-2010, 11:14 PM
What's your point? Has he said they're hurting him now?

No, just checking before some of the Rafa fans start the excuses. Please note I said SOME of them.

I have nothing against Rafa, nor most of his fans, but to some he NEVER loses unless injured. Permanent sick-note for the knees.

@Sweet Cleopatra
08-14-2010, 11:18 PM
:sad:

Well done Murray and good luck Rafa next time.

The Magician
08-14-2010, 11:20 PM
Very satisfying result and nice to see Murray back to his best (apart from his missing 1st serve today...). It's so nice that he's finally making some progress with his forehand. It's definitely a bigger weapon than it used to be.



Nonsense, Rafa played the hard court tennis of his life and was still outclassed by Murray serving at 46%.



Those are not excuses, but facts. :shrug:



Very easy matchup vs injured opponent

Nervous in his first big match... clay in disguise

Played in farcial conditions... clay in disguise

Undeserved. He lost more points and games than he won. Not fair

Has-been from weak-era



It was clearly bothering the englishman as he kept adjusting it after every serve. The wristband was probably the sole reason Andy got himself in trouble in the first place. Very amatuerish to not exchange it during changeover.



Nadal no has declined at all, the hard court game just passed him by.

Good post :yeah: Love the colors too :hearts:

ORGASMATRON
08-14-2010, 11:21 PM
Nadal is never a favourite for the US Open.
Today's match is one of the reasons why.

this

guga2120
08-14-2010, 11:25 PM
Well done to Andy. Now go win the title.

Schu
08-14-2010, 11:39 PM
As much as I hate to say it - Just too good from Murray today.

Baghdatis72
08-15-2010, 12:18 AM
Andy starts playing aggressively and he realizes he is better at it than using winning ugly pushing methods. Good for him.

peribsen
08-15-2010, 12:21 AM
It was clearly bothering the englishman as he kept adjusting it after every serve.

Mjau! for God's sake, change that before the Scots kill you!!!
You are not forced to like Murray, but I wasn´t aware you disliked him so much as to call him English!!

:o

n8
08-15-2010, 12:28 AM
As always against Nadal it seems.
It seems like Nadal is a great match up for him(despite their loopsided H2H which is mostly dued to Nadal being incredibly good on Clay)

Um no, it may be the case with Federer and Djokovic, but not with Murray. The head to head is 8-4 and they've only played twice on clay. Their score is lopsided because Rafa won their first 5 matches.

straitup
08-15-2010, 12:30 AM
Their matchups are so interesting just in that the player that loses the first set really struggles to fight back in the match. Lots of straight setters in their H2H

TheHawk
08-15-2010, 12:38 AM
I believe Rafa should be happy with his tournament this week. His first hard court event, reaching the semi and let's face it, could have easily forced a 3rd. Two key points in the match - that double fault from Murray not called which would have given Rafa a break in the first and the lost break points after recovering from a break down in the 2nd set at 4-3, I think.

ossie
08-15-2010, 01:42 AM
murray played the best tennis in months, rafa was apart from his serve not bad at all, he has a good shot at the usopen if he keeps playing like this

tennis2tennis
08-15-2010, 02:07 AM
Rafatards are actually willing to admit it when Rafa plays crap and even CREDITS his opponent for playing well. Imagine that. Maybe Fedtards have something to learn from the raftards. Like Roger said, he never loses unless he's injured, right? LMAO.

notice how rafa fans just can't let go of Federer....? Roger fans will reitaliate then the rafa fans will harp on about how roger fans bring roger into everything!:rolleyes:

habibko
08-15-2010, 02:09 AM
lG2bV6ElTZA

great to see the better hardcourts player proving himself once again :yeah:

Leo
08-15-2010, 02:16 AM
Today's match exposed why Murray is so much better on hard than the natural surfaces: his movement. He really excels moving on hard, and he's able to set himself up so much better to be aggressive.

I thought this was a fairly high quality affair, at least the first set. At the start, Nadal looked intimidating as he had at Wimbledon. Seemed to be zoning from the ground on both forehand and backhand. But then Murray started using the angles and winning the battle for positioning. He was lucky that Nadal didn't challenge the second serve double fault that would have put him down 3-5. And then in the second set, I though Rafa stepped it up a little, but it was largely Andy letting him back in by letting him off the hook with some meek forehands. He successfully ditched the wimpiness when it mattered with those huge forehand plays to save break points late in the second. Well done. I hope he can play the same smart and aggressive tennis tomorrow.

NYCtennisfan
08-15-2010, 02:17 AM
Well played by Murray. His CC FH neutralized a lot of Nadal's groundstrokes, and Murray's defense to his BH side was impeccable. It was interesting to see Murray dig himself out of trouble and a potential turning point at 15-40, 3-4 down in the second set with some really good FH's. Murray's play from 3-4, 15-40 down until the end of the match was really, really good. I thought Murray could have come to net a few more times (like he did at the AO), but it wound up working for him

I thought Nadal was a bit off on the BH side the entire tournament. It will be interesting to see what he does in Cincy since he'll have less time to hit it.

Dmitry Verdasco
08-15-2010, 02:50 AM
Murray played really well. :eek:

Nadal should have broken at 3-3* 30-40 when Andy served a DF but it wasn't picked up. Could have snatched that set, but ultimately I think Murray was going to win anyway. Really well played.

Action Jackson
08-15-2010, 02:56 AM
Good.

Bagelicious
08-15-2010, 03:28 AM
Nice work from Murray!

DorianGray7
08-15-2010, 03:31 AM
Nadal was obviously injured like at the AUS open earlier this year. Murray would have been dead meat just like at Wimbledon.

He should have won this. Nadal is winning the US Open that's for sure. He's just waiting to peak in 2 weeks time.

Pirata.
08-15-2010, 04:29 AM
Rafa can't be the best at everything. At least he is the king of grass and clay. :)

Nadal, King of Grass :spit::haha:

sabina_RF_lee
08-15-2010, 04:33 AM
Why nadal never meets with federer in uso and toronto in??? their h2h would be in different way!

sabina_RF_lee
08-15-2010, 04:36 AM
Rafa can't be the best at everything. At least he is the king of grass and clay. :)

dont be silly Roger is the king of grass and hard, also has GrandSlam on clay so *********:devil:

Pirata.
08-15-2010, 04:36 AM
:sad:

Well done Murray and good luck Rafa next time.

:hug:

sabina_RF_lee
08-15-2010, 04:43 AM
Strange how people react, when Roger loses its "AAAAAAAAAA" and when rafa loses "nothing". It proves that loses from Federer is more unexpectable. Is this rafa`s best form????? #1????? you cant blame on his knee or another bullshit cause he said he felt great :haha:

careergrandslam
08-15-2010, 05:04 AM
i just feel nadal should just stop playing on hardcourts, except the aussie open, US open and masters tour finals.
just forget the rest.

total embarrassment.
everytime he plays a good hardcourt player, he fires blanks, i mean im quite frankly sick and tired of this.
embarrassing for an 8 time slam champion to say he is an awful hardcourt player.

really is disgraceful.
his hardcourt play since indian wells 2009 has been diabolical.

as a rafa fan its extremely frustrating, u think ok maybe this time he can turn the corner and be a half decent hardcourt player, but everytime its the same old.

i really hope he can do something special at the US open this year.

Nolby
08-15-2010, 05:20 AM
Strange how people react, when Roger loses its "AAAAAAAAAA" and when rafa loses "nothing". It proves that loses from Federer is more unexpectable.

It's just much funnier when Fed loses as opposed to Rafa. :shrug: This vid doesn't pack the same punch with Muzza as the protagonist: :p

FZ_RzujdDAU

Toaderling
08-15-2010, 05:26 AM
lmao what a mug.

Start da Game
08-15-2010, 06:00 AM
it's all building up nicely for the grand finish in new york.......rafa takes his time to peak.......

Johnny_Bravo
08-15-2010, 06:03 AM
Some pretty enjoyable angles and tennis overall from andy last night.

Gêmeos
08-15-2010, 06:24 AM
Nadal must be injured,otherwise he can‘t be beaten

careergrandslam
08-15-2010, 06:47 AM
it's all building up nicely for the grand finish in new york.......rafa takes his time to peak.......

thats what all rafa fans want but we cannot be blind to the fact that rafa has not won a single hardcourt title since indian wells 2009.
yes we hope he wins the USO, but the bottom line is that he has not won on HC for so long.
and this is rafa's best years, his peak in his career, but still getting humiliated on hardcourt even in his peak.

i want and hope he wins USO, but these 6-3 6-4 drubbings makes me think he could get smashed again in the USO like previous years.

Orka_n
08-15-2010, 07:26 AM
it's all building up nicely for the grand finish in new york.......rafa takes his time to peak.......:lol: NID.

Feh. I guess better HC player wins here.

Macbrother
08-15-2010, 07:41 AM
Well played by Murray. His CC FH neutralized a lot of Nadal's groundstrokes, and Murray's defense to his BH side was impeccable. It was interesting to see Murray dig himself out of trouble and a potential turning point at 15-40, 3-4 down in the second set with some really good FH's. Murray's play from 3-4, 15-40 down until the end of the match was really, really good. I thought Murray could have come to net a few more times (like he did at the AO), but it wound up working for him

I thought Nadal was a bit off on the BH side the entire tournament. It will be interesting to see what he does in Cincy since he'll have less time to hit it.

Unfortunately I wasn't able to catch the match, but saw the highlights, and this is spot on. Murray didn't particularly have great pace on the FH, but his depth, spin and placement were marvelous, pinning Nadal way back on his backhand side and Rafa just couldn't do anything with it today.

I♥PsY@Mus!c
08-15-2010, 07:43 AM
Nice to know Andy win in 2! :D

belco
08-15-2010, 08:02 AM
uploaded on tennishaven :) free download too :ras:

tennis2tennis
08-15-2010, 08:12 AM
Strange how people react, when Roger loses its "AAAAAAAAAA" and when rafa loses "nothing". It proves that loses from Federer is more unexpectable. Is this rafa`s best form????? #1????? you cant blame on his knee or another bullshit cause he said he felt great :haha:


exactly and remember Rafa's 24 do you remember how people reacted when 24 year old world no 1 Roger so much as lost a set?...but I think Rafa's going to go away and work with his uncle on the 2nd serve in time for the US open

Rafa#Uno:-)
08-15-2010, 09:52 AM
well rafa is rafa. He will come back and better. He needs improve his first serve
a lot and he will. Then all his game will be better.

Andy will win this against Fed I am sure. Andy is looking really good.

Toaderling
08-15-2010, 10:42 AM
Nadal must be injured,otherwise he can‘t be beaten

Totally.

it's all building up nicely for the grand finish in new york.......rafa takes his time to peak.......

hahahaha no.

Vida
08-15-2010, 11:35 AM
maybe what would be best for murray is not to hire a coach at all :shrug:

born_on_clay
08-15-2010, 11:42 AM
it's all building up nicely for the grand finish in new york.......rafa takes his time to peak.......

affirmative

but

credits to Murray, he was better yesterday :D

paseo
08-15-2010, 11:43 AM
maybe what would be best for murray is not to hire a coach at all :shrug:

Yeah, maybe his coach was actually the one who wanted him to play that passive sh*t. But now, Murray is free. Free-Murray plays aggressive.

habibko
08-15-2010, 12:05 PM
Yeah, maybe his coach was actually the one who wanted him to play that passive sh*t. But now, Murray is free. Free-Murray plays aggressive.

err no, Murray has played this way in their last 2 GS meetings on hardcourts as well, this is actually an easy matchup for Murray on hardcourts, Nadal hardly has anything to hurt him with.

peribsen
08-15-2010, 12:18 PM
Nonsense, Rafa played the hard court tennis of his life and was still outclassed by Murray serving at 46%.

What absolute crap! Rafa couldn´t serve for the whole match. On his matches against Anderson and Kohlschrieber, even if not playing great, he managed several terrific shots that electrified the crowd. Yesterday almost all of the times he went for them they went wide. Rafa played a pretty poor match. To be fair, Murray's serve was also underpar, but it's a joke to say Rafa played his best on hardcourt, I've seen play better many times.


(Fed AO-09) Very easy matchup vs injured opponent
(Djoko IW 2007) Nervous in his first big match... clay in disguise
(Murray IW 2009)Played in farcial conditions... clay in disguise.
(Djoko Olympics) Undeserved. He lost more points and games than he won. Not fair.
(Agassi Canada 2005)Has-been from weak-era

(After removig the colours that only serve to make your posts difficult to read).
It really is comical to see how you try to explain away 5 big victories on HC simply because they were won by a player you dislike. At the same time, of course, you spent a year insisting that Soderling's win in RG 09 was definitive proof of his superiority over Nadal and that any mention of the fact Rafa was injured is made-up and a poor excuse.

So a single win is definitive, but 5 wins can be easily ignored, depending on how much some people like the winner. Congratulations Mjau!, you've given us as good an example of double standards as one may find even on MTF, quite an achievement!

And I can't even imagine how some of you would have howled if Murray had lost the first set due to a bad line call, we would have been treated to something like 20 pages of comments on how the moonballing good-for-nothing Nadull can be so damned lucky and thta Uncle Toni had probably paid-off the linesman....

delpiero7
08-15-2010, 12:38 PM
Miami and Indian Wells courts are slow as shit and he does well there.
US open Series wont slow down for him :devil: :devil: :devil:

Oh right. They must have slowed down the courts the years that he won in Montreal and Toronto. Last time he won in Toronto I seem to recall him beating Muzza in straights.

As for this match, Murray was just too good. Why can't he play like this all the time, except for just reserving it for Nadal? Maybe he enjoys getting bagelled by the likes of Monfils ;)

Sauletekis
08-15-2010, 01:26 PM
Nadal is the better player, even the best of the world.

Murray is better on Hard. Period.

Shirogane
08-15-2010, 02:47 PM
Nadal is better on clay and on grass, Murray on hard. [/fixed]

Has-been from weak-era

Andre was 35 but still playing good tennis then, though IIRC he did have to finish off Rusedski the same day.

rhinooooo
08-15-2010, 04:04 PM
2nd set, 3-4, 15-40 down, and Muzza is smashing forehands to save breakpoints. How many times do we have to ask why he doesn't approach all matches with this mentality? What a clown. Solid and expected win though.

angry1
08-15-2010, 04:14 PM
2nd set, 3-4, 15-40 down, and Muzza is smashing forehands to save breakpoints. How many times do we have to ask why he doesn't approach all matches with this mentality? What a clown. Solid and expected win though.

This year he has been comparatively good on bp against,it's bp up that he's been abominable.

T14 in Games won on serve vs t11 in bp saved and 6th and 35th respectively on return.

Nekromanta
08-15-2010, 04:25 PM
The problem with Murray is that he's not good enough on any surface. On Clay and grass he's useless, on hard he's not aggressive and powerful enough. He's not outstanding anywhere, and in the mental department he's also weak. Another sign of his immaturity is that he's still busting his ass in the small shit tourneys and he's going to fail again in the GS where the big guys actually try. Anyway, if he reaches the USO final again I'll be rooting for him against Fed but Fed is a much better HC player even at his old age. On deco it will be even easier for Fed than at the AO. If he plays NAdal in the final a rested and motivated Nadal will also take him down.

Il Primo Uomo
08-15-2010, 04:41 PM
lG2bV6ElTZA

great to see the better hardcourts player proving himself once again :yeah:

Let's break it down.
Rafa wins 5 HC M1000 and 1 HC GS. Andy wins 4 HC M1000. Yet Murray is the better HC player. Hum.......... I bet your ass failed in maths and cost you some pocket money from your parents. Talk about a flawed logic. SMH

gusavo
08-15-2010, 04:45 PM
Yeah, beating the GOAT in a slam final, something the awesome Scot can't do, let alone take a set from.
lol what

and winning against some noname whom he played once is something the goat cant do

Sapeod
08-15-2010, 05:06 PM
Nadal was obviously injured like at the AUS open earlier this year. Murray would have been dead meat just like at Wimbledon.

He should have won this. Nadal is winning the US Open that's for sure. He's just waiting to peak in 2 weeks time.
:silly: :cuckoo: :retard:
i just feel nadal should just stop playing on hardcourts, except the aussie open, US open and masters tour finals.
just forget the rest.

total embarrassment.
everytime he plays a good hardcourt player, he fires blanks, i mean im quite frankly sick and tired of this.
embarrassing for an 8 time slam champion to say he is an awful hardcourt player.

really is disgraceful.
his hardcourt play since indian wells 2009 has been diabolical.

as a rafa fan its extremely frustrating, u think ok maybe this time he can turn the corner and be a half decent hardcourt player, but everytime its the same old.

i really hope he can do something special at the US open this year.
What did you expect?
He was playing Murray, on hardcourt.
Oh right. They must have slowed down the courts the years that he won in Montreal and Toronto. Last time he won in Toronto I seem to recall him beating Muzza in straights.

As for this match, Murray was just too good. Why can't he play like this all the time, except for just reserving it for Nadal? Maybe he enjoys getting bagelled by the likes of Monfils ;)
That bagel to Monfils was mostly because of a huge slump in the second, like he sometimes does.
Let's break it down.
Rafa wins 5 HC M1000 and 1 HC GS. Andy wins 4 HC M1000. Yet Murray is the better HC player. Hum.......... I bet your ass failed in maths and cost you some pocket money from your parents. Talk about a flawed logic. SMH
Murray = 4 MS since 2008 = 4000 points
Nadal = 1 MS, 1 GS since 2008 = 3000 points (It was mostly the wind that won it for Nadal, Murray couldn't play at all.)

Obviously nowadays Murray is the better hardcourt player.
This match showed why.
Murray playing well, but not his best, and Nadal playing well, but not his best = 6-3 6-4 win for Murray.

Clydey
08-15-2010, 05:07 PM
The problem with Murray is that he's not good enough on any surface. On Clay and grass he's useless, on hard he's not aggressive and powerful enough. He's not outstanding anywhere, and in the mental department he's also weak. Another sign of his immaturity is that he's still busting his ass in the small shit tourneys and he's going to fail again in the GS where the big guys actually try. Anyway, if he reaches the USO final again I'll be rooting for him against Fed but Fed is a much better HC player even at his old age. On deco it will be even easier for Fed than at the AO. If he plays NAdal in the final a rested and motivated Nadal will also take him down.

That post is so retarded, I hardly know where to begin picking it apart.

Guy Haines
08-15-2010, 05:19 PM
notice how rafa fans just can't let go of Federer....? Roger fans will reitaliate then the rafa fans will harp on about how roger fans bring roger into everything!:rolleyes:

A Nadal result thread is a funny place for you to make this assertion.

Federer's playing well again. Have a cookie.

Sophocles
08-15-2010, 05:20 PM
That post is so retarded, I hardly know where to begin picking it apart.

I shouldn't bother.

decrepitude
08-15-2010, 05:22 PM
Well you could start with the "useless on grass" - two Wimbledon semis in 2 years.

Sapeod
08-15-2010, 05:24 PM
The problem with Murray is that he's not good enough on any surface.
Yeah, two slam finals on hardcourt and two semis at Wimbledon prove that :retard:
On Clay and grass he's useless
Roland Garros quarters, Monte Carlo semis and two Wimbledon semis :wavey:
on hard he's not aggressive and powerful enough.
Did you see this match, most of his matches in Miami 2009 and the Nadal matches at US Open 2008 and Aus Open this year? I guess not.
He's not outstanding anywhere, and in the mental department he's also weak.
Two slam finals, 13 titles, 4 MS titles, 6 and 4 wins against Nadal all on hardcourt. Not outstanding? Bullshit.
Another sign of his immaturity is that he's still busting his ass in the small shit tourneys
Since when were masters series small shit tourneys?
What were Djokovic, Federer and Nadal doing yesterday? They were trying too :wavey:
and he's going to fail again in the GS where the big guys actually try.
He is one of the big guys, you know :wavey:
Anyway, if he reaches the USO final again I'll be rooting for him against Fed but Fed is a much better HC player even at his old age.
Depends.
they haven't played each other since Aussie Open this year, and that was JesusFed. JesusFed isn't here anymore, at least not at the moment.
On deco it will be even easier for Fed than at the AO.
And it will be easier at the US Open than at the Aussie Open for Murray :shrug:
If he plays NAdal in the final a rested and motivated Nadal will also take him down.
Sure, because a rested and motivated Nadal sure took him down at the US Open in 2008. Oh but then again, Nadal was injured and tired, wasn't he? :rolleyes:

Idiotic post, all of it.

Guy Haines
08-15-2010, 05:27 PM
That post is so retarded, I hardly know where to begin picking it apart.

Really Clydey? I like Murray alright but it doesn't seem hugely offbase to me. Until he wins a major (which will have to happen on hard courts) he still has a lot to prove, especially in terms of mentality. He's gone in to his final bouts with Federer with as weak a mindset as Berdych and Soderling in their final appearances this year, and Federer schooled him. Until he turns a corner, he's stuck with those second-stringers.

Guy Haines
08-15-2010, 05:35 PM
Strange how people react, when Roger loses its "AAAAAAAAAA" and when rafa loses "nothing". It proves that loses from Federer is more unexpectable. Is this rafa`s best form????? #1????? you cant blame on his knee or another bullshit cause he said he felt great :haha:
Said on page 14 of a 16-plus page thread.

Clydey
08-15-2010, 05:42 PM
Really Clydey? I like Murray alright but it doesn't seem hugely offbase to me. Until he wins a major (which will have to happen on hard courts) he still has a lot to prove, especially in terms of mentality. He's gone in to his final bouts with Federer with as weak a mindset as Berdych and Soderling in their final appearances this year, and Federer schooled him. Until he turns a corner, he's stuck with those second-stringers.

Calling a 2 times Wimbledon semi-finalist "useless on grass" isn't "hugely offbase"? Asserting that a 2 time hardcourt major finalist and 4 time hardcourt MS winner is "not outstanding" on hard is reasonable to you?

Guy Haines
08-15-2010, 05:42 PM
Well you could start with the "useless on grass" - two Wimbledon semis in 2 years.

We're on MTF. Nadal is useless on hard courts on MTF, even though he's won a hard court major and plenty of hard court Masters events. People talk him that way because they hate him, yes, but also because there's a big disparity between his clay and grass results and his hard court ones.

For Murray it's almost the exact inverse, except Murray hasn't won a single major yet. He should have by now. If he takes the USO this year, great. It'll make things all the more interesting when Del Potro returns.

ORGASMATRON
08-15-2010, 05:50 PM
murray is really starting to get under rafas skin on hard court. hes been him twice in slams and now this beatdown. murray must believe that he cant lose to nadal on hard anymore.

rhinooooo
08-15-2010, 05:56 PM
This year he has been comparatively good on bp against,it's bp up that he's been abominable.

T14 in Games won on serve vs t11 in bp saved and 6th and 35th respectively on return.

Fair enough but what I mean is I don't give a shit if it's breakpoint up or down, his mental approach against Rafa is pretty much always to go for it. Matchup issues play a big part but why can he not replicate that intensity and attacking intent against other players? He played some very aggressive stuff against Nalby too. He needs to be able to call upon that aggression regularly. This is what will take him to the next level.

Guy Haines
08-15-2010, 05:57 PM
murray is really starting to get under rafas skin on hard court. hes been him twice in slams and now this beatdown. murray must believe that he cant lose to nadal on hard anymore.

Beatdown, huh. Nadal would have been up a break in the late stages of the first set if not for lousy line-calling.

Anderson showed promise a couple years ago when he beat Djokovic in Miami and played well at the Tennis Channel Open.