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Why the french aren't successful in tennis???

yuri27
08-13-2010, 11:56 PM
I mean,they've been successful in every other popular sports at one point in the last 20 years(football,rugby,athletics,swimming,handball,b asketball) bar one: tennis.
And nevertheless,it's one of France's most popular sports.
It's really strange as it's not like they are chokers in other sports but in tennis,they are generally awful considering the number of registered players they have and their ressources.

MalwareDie
08-13-2010, 11:58 PM
richie ranting about Gasquet again.

yuri27
08-14-2010, 12:00 AM
richie ranting about Gasquet again.

Who the hell is that richie??:rolleyes:
Anyway it's about the whole french tennis i'm ranting
Clownga,Mugfils,Pushmon,Gascoke,PcHokeM,etc.......

Cloudygirl
08-14-2010, 12:03 AM
Does any other nation have more players in the top 100 bar spain.

Also apart from Switzerland and Spain there aren't many nations winning grandslams. What a crappy thread.

If the thread was why the UK aren't successful at tennis you might have a point but this is just dumb.

The Magician
08-14-2010, 12:07 AM
Couldn't you think of a name that doesn't sounds exactly like richie21 if you want to pretend it's not you? :lol: There are literally infinite names to choose from...

yuri27
08-14-2010, 12:07 AM
Does any other nation have more players in the top 100 bar spain.

Also apart from Switzerland and Spain there aren't many nations winning grandslams. What a crappy thread.

If the thread was why the UK aren't successful at tennis you might have a point but this is just dumb.

List all the countries which won a GS in the last 25 years and then you'll see that it's far from being only Spain and Switzerland :rolleyes:
But France aren't in that list!
Oh and don't talk about UK as tennis is not even close to be as important there as in France(just compare the number of registered players or the number of tennis courts in both countries).
Oh and despite that,UK have still won more Master Series in the last 20 years than France so if anything,they've overrachieved comparing to France.

yuri27
08-14-2010, 12:09 AM
Couldn't you think of a name that doesn't sounds exactly like richie21 if you want to pretend it's not you? :lol: There are literally infinite names to choose from...

Yuri27=Richie21 of course...........:rolleyes:

Cloudygirl
08-14-2010, 12:10 AM
Who the hell is that richie??:rolleyes:
Anyway it's about the whole french tennis i'm ranting
Clownga,Mugfils,Pushmon,Gascoke,PcHokeM,etc.......

if you are talking about all eras why did you just restrict your rant in this post to current players then.

The Magician
08-14-2010, 12:11 AM
List all the countries which won a GS in the last 25 years and then you'll see that it's far from being only Spain and Switzerland :rolleyes:
But France aren't in that list!
Oh and don't talk about UK as tennis is not even close to be as important there as in France(just compare the number of registered players or the number of tennis courts in both countries).

Go ahead, do it. It would be really interesting to see the number of registered players and tennis courts in France vs UK. Would go a long way towards explaining the discrepancy in results despite the massive amount of money spent in the UK on Tennis.

yuri27
08-14-2010, 12:23 AM
Go ahead, do it. It would be really interesting to see the number of registered players and tennis courts in France vs UK. Would go a long way towards explaining the discrepancy in results despite the massive amount of money spent in the UK on Tennis.

Number of registered players: 1.100.000 in France,110.000 in UK


udy Murray: my plan to revolutionise British tennis following Wimbledon fallout
It's really interesting listening to all the criticism being levelled at the state of British tennis this week and some of the reasons as to why this is happening.


By Judy Murray
Published: 7:15AM BST 24 Jun 2010

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Anne Keothavong - Judy Murray: my plan to revolutionise British tennis following Wimbledon fallout
British faller: Anne Keothavong, of Great Britain, in action during her first round defeat against Anastasia Rodionova Photo: GETTY IMAGES

From the locker room to the media centre, everybody was asking why one of the wealthiest governing bodies in tennis, with an annual budget of £600 million, can struggle to produce world-class players. Below are a few steps we could take which would help address some of the issues.

1 Increase our talent pool - Right now this is way too small because we simply do not have enough people playing the game. We have a similar population to France but they have 10 times as many clubs and 10 times as many registered players.

They also have more men and women in the top 100 than any other country. That's no coincidence. So why not look at what France has done over the last 20 years and grow the game by investing heavily in places to play and people to drive activity?

The two go hand-in-hand. Courts without a local tennis workforce and fun, stimulating activity are a waste of space. Tennis has to make itself attractive to kids and adults but it must also be affordable, accessible and welcoming or they will just find another sport to try.

2 Put the emphasis on talent development - Over the past four years, the Lawn Tennis Association has invested in an elaborate talent identification system operated nationally by a team of over 30 coaches. It targets children aged 7-10, puts them through a battery of physical and tennis tests and awards an element of funding according to the results.

I don't think it's so difficult to identify coordinated, athletic kids who have a feel for the game and a love of competition but the key is in the development of that talent. We have to ensure that those identified have access to a local tennis environment that has lots of other kids to hit and compete with, and a coach who understands how to instil the basics of stroke production, movement patterns and a love of the game.

There are still huge pockets of the country where that cannot or does not happen and parents have to travel long distances for both training and competition.

3 Invest in the tennis workforce - Much has been written about the many and highly paid foreign coaches who have been brought in by the LTA over the last few years.

Some have been effective and some have not, but the likes of Peter Lundgren, Brad Gilbert, Louis Cayer and Paul Annacone, who have all worked with grand slam champions, should be involved in a structured mentoring programme for some of our most promising and committed British coaches, rather than using their experience and expertise solely with our best players. If we invest in developing world-class British coaches, surely we would have a better shot at developing world class players.

4 Develop a winning mentality - Because we have so few kids playing at a high level domestically, there has been a tendency to over indulge the best ones from a young age partly because we are so desperate to find a champion but also to keep them in the game. It's still too easy to be a big fish in a small pond in British tennis. That won't change overnight but tennis is a sport where only the toughest survive and if we want to create winners from our talent pool, we must ensure that the very best are nurtured in a competitive and international training environment.

5 Climate change - Our weather doesn't help. Tennis is an outdoor sport but we are forced indoors for more than half of the year. Indoor courts are expensive – £18 an hour on average – and few and far between. So we are back to accessibility and affordability, again.

Sapeod
08-14-2010, 12:23 AM
Chokers.

yuri27
08-14-2010, 12:25 AM
Chokers.

But not in other sports.Why?

MacTheKnife
08-14-2010, 12:28 AM
Can't wait for Har-Tru to weigh in on this one. :lol:

Bilbo
08-14-2010, 12:29 AM
:retard:

The Magician
08-14-2010, 12:34 AM
Number of registered players: 1.100.000 in France,110.000 in UK

Interesting. I like the point about the awful weather, that could be a reason UK is pretty bad at all sports compared to the other european powers :eek:

Serenidad
08-14-2010, 01:13 AM
It's simple. Daniel Brands(GER)

Black Adam
08-14-2010, 09:53 AM
Roger is a closet Frenchie.

Hellraiser
08-14-2010, 11:27 AM
French are mentall pussys

swebright
08-14-2010, 11:33 AM
Because they are frenchies. :bolt::devil:

Tom_Bombadil
08-14-2010, 11:36 AM
I mean,they've been successful in every other popular sports at one point in the last 20 years(football,rugby,athletics,swimming,handball,b asketball) bar one: tennis.
And nevertheless,it's one of France's most popular sports.
It's really strange as it's not like they are chokers in other sports but in tennis,they are generally awful considering the number of registered players they have and their ressources.

And why aren't the English, the German or the Italian? Why do you focus it on the French?

I don't think France is a very powerful nation in sports BTW. But you are french so you must question us the rest of the world why your beautiful country, the belly button of the modern world, isn't the best and we are not adoring it.... :rolleyes:

hahaha Ok, fellow frenchies don't get anger at me. I just don't get the meaning of the post. ;)

Echoes
08-14-2010, 11:39 AM
"Because they are no dopers"

At least, that has been their excuse for having no great cycling riders in 15 years. :rolleyes::D

scarecrows
08-14-2010, 11:42 AM
List all the countries which won a GS in the last 25 years and then you'll see that it's far from being only Spain and Switzerland :rolleyes:
But France aren't in that list!
.

Mauresmo and Pierce ring a bell?

DrJules
08-14-2010, 11:49 AM
France has had some Davis Cup success in last 25 years - 3 times winners.

careergrandslam
08-14-2010, 12:02 PM
because they are french and are world renowned for waving the white flag

Fuego Frío
08-14-2010, 12:19 PM
Interesting. I like the point about the awful weather, that could be a reason UK is pretty bad at all sports compared to the other european powers :eek:

Uhm, We are world class in alot of sports. We came 4th in the summer olympics medal table. Higher than any other European nation ( bar Russian )

nalbyfan
08-14-2010, 12:37 PM
They are always injured...lack of fitness maybe or lack of willingness ???

latso
08-14-2010, 12:48 PM
France has 11 players in top 100 of ATP

how many have Germany, Italy, UK, Russia, USA, etc., etc., etc. except Spain which has 13 players?

U really need to be a total mug to say that France has no success in tennis, especially comared to what? Football? lmao

Volleyball? Basketball? Table tennis? what sport do France have 11 among the best 100? athletics, swimming, curling, boxing....in what?

ridiculous shiet.

timafi
08-14-2010, 12:56 PM
shut your piehole Youri;you idiot:mad:

Action Jackson
08-14-2010, 12:59 PM
richie on fire.

Tom_Bombadil
08-14-2010, 01:15 PM
Uhm, We are world class in alot of sports. We came 4th in the summer olympics medal table. Higher than any other European nation ( bar Russian )

Yeah, but you could compare the quantity of african origin athletes your country has in comparison with others. I think that could put light as why the difference in medals.

And I don't know any other sports where France is world class, as you say. Maybe you could put me some examples. ;)

careergrandslam
08-14-2010, 01:27 PM
Uhm, We are world class in alot of sports. We came 4th in the summer olympics medal table. Higher than any other European nation ( bar Russian )

UK or france?
in terms of gold medals?
in 2008 olympics?

yuri27
08-14-2010, 02:44 PM
UK or france?
in terms of gold medals?
in 2008 olympics?

UK is not even a country ffs!:rolleyes:
Let's see if England were ahead of France in the medal count.

Anyway if you look at the last 4 summer Olympics,France's medal count>>>>>>>UK's medal count(and even more so if you talk only about England).

And I don't know any other sports where France is world class, as you say.

Let's see:

-Handball(we have been completely dominant for the last 3 years)
-Swimming(we have some of the best swimmers in the world right now)
-Football(we were the best team in the world 10 years ago and are the third best european football country ever in term of international results)
-Rugby: we won the Grand Slam last year and were probably the third best team in the world
-Pole Vault,Triple jump in Athletics.
-Rally(Loeb,nuff said)
-Judo
-Fencing
-Volley Ball(we came second in some big international competitions)
-Basket Ball 10 years ago(we won the silver medal in Sydney even troubling Team USA in final)

And there are a few other sports where we've been very successful in the last 20 years if not the dominant force in the world.

Unfortunately,one sport is missing from that list and that's nevertheless the second most important sport in France in term of number of registered players......funny world,isn't it?

yuri27
08-14-2010, 02:45 PM
France has had some Davis Cup success in last 25 years - 3 times winners.

Honestly,Davis Cup means nothing when you see how much some of the best players have cared about that for the last 20 years(Sampras,Agassi and Federer's names come to mind)

green25814
08-14-2010, 02:50 PM
Richie is Gasquet's alter ego.

Ibracadabra
08-14-2010, 02:52 PM
When was the last time a british player won a slam? ;)

yuri27
08-14-2010, 02:56 PM
When was the last time a british player won a slam? ;)

Despite having around the same population,GB have ten times less tennis players than France as well as ten times less tennis courts.
So i'd say that 27 years without any french male player winning a GS is far more surprising and choking than 70 years without any british player winning a GS.

peribsen
08-14-2010, 03:34 PM
because they are french and are world renowned for waving the white flag

Totally uncalled for and historically incorrect. :(

Back to topic: Don't get me wrong, I'm totally against racism and am a member of an NGO that supports immigrants, but the fact is that teams from countries such as France and UK are so full of players/athletes/swimmers from all ethnic origins that it's difficult to figure out just what are they supposed to represent. When they are second or third generation and have been born or at least grown up in the receiving country, it's fine, but often they have been granted nationality just because of their sporting merits, in which case it's all a joke.

Spain does the same thing in athletics and swimming, but at least our football team won the WC with only native players, the same way that our basketball team won the WC in 2006 (and will try to defend it in a couple of weeks).

Hiring foreigners to win medals for you is a shame.

yuri27
08-14-2010, 03:42 PM
Totally uncalled for and historically incorrect. :(

Back to topic: Don't get me wrong, I'm totally against racism and am a member of an NGO that supports immigrants, but the fact is that teams from countries such as France and UK are so full of players/athletes/swimmers from all ethnic origins that it's difficult to figure out just what are they supposed to represent. When they are second or third generation and have been born or at least grown up in the receiving country, it's fine, but often they have been granted nationality just because of their sporting merits, in which case it's all a joke.

Spain does the same thing in athletics and swimming, but at least our football team won the WC with only native players, the same way that our basketball team won the WC in 2006 (and will try to defend it in a couple of weeks).

Hiring foreigners to win medals for you is a shame.

Listen,even when there were far less immigrants in France,France used to own Spain in Olympics......that's all that needs to be said.
France are just better than Spain in many many sports.
Spain are very very good in some very popular sports(especially now) but overall,there are few sports where they perform contrary to countries like USA,China,Russia,France or Germany.

And it's not our fault if much more immigrants want to come in France rather than in Spain.

Certinfy
08-14-2010, 03:43 PM
Tsonga will win a GS.

yuri27
08-14-2010, 03:44 PM
Tsonga will win a GS.

In your dream perhaps.
The guy is a total joke.The way he crumbled against the mental midget scottish in the last Wimbledon was just pathetic.

And why aren't the English, the German or the Italian? Why do you focus it on the French?

Perhaps because tennis's importance in those countries is not even close to be the same as in France(proved by the number of registered players in each countries)???


I don't think France is a very powerful nation in sports BTW.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

France has 11 players in top 100 of ATP

how many have Germany, Italy, UK, Russia, USA, etc., etc., etc. except Spain which has 13 players?

U really need to be a total mug to say that France has no success in tennis, especially comared to what? Football? lmao

Volleyball? Basketball? Table tennis? what sport do France have 11 among the best 100? athletics, swimming, curling, boxing....in what?

ridiculous shiet.

Since when having players in top 100 is a sign of success,especially for a country where tennis is the second most important sport???:haha::haha::haha:
What's the point of having 30 top 100 players if none of them is able to win big titles??



U really need to be a total mug to say that France has no success in tennis, especially comared to what? Football? lmao


France's football team results in the last 27 years: 1 WC,2 Euros(no European team can say the same during that same period).

French tennis results in the last 27 years(Davis Cup shouldn't count,really): a few Master series wins(not sure about that but i even think Murray has already won more Master Series than all the french players combined in the last 27 years).

Nuff said,really

peribsen
08-14-2010, 04:01 PM
Listen,even when there were far less immigrants in France,France used to own Spain in Olympics......that's all that needs to be said.
France are just better than Spain in many many sports.
Spain are very very good in some very popular sports(especially now) but overall,there are few sports where they perform contrary to countries like USA,China,Russia,France or Germany.

And it's not our fault if much more immigrants want to come in France rather than in Spain.

I don't think you have understood my post at all. I started defending France from somebody who was saying umpleasant things about your country. Then I went on to criticize the practice of granting nationality to third world athletes, stating that Spain has started doing exacetly the same thing, which I find sad, no matter what country is doing it.

Yet you answer with a comparison between France and Spain, for some reason that simply escapes me. As for the number of immigrants, please update your facts, we are receiving American and African immigrants by the millions, they are already close to 15% of the population.

scarecrows
08-14-2010, 04:02 PM
Unfortunately,one sport is missing from that list and that's nevertheless the second most important sport in France in term of number of registered players......funny world,isn't it?

Mauresmo, Pierce, care to respond?

yuri27
08-14-2010, 04:04 PM
I don't think you have understood my post at all. I started defending France from somebody who saying umpleasant things about your country. Then I went on to criticize the practice of granting nationality to third world athletes, stating that Spain has started doing exacetly the same thing, which I find sad, no matter what country is doing it.

Yet you answer with a comparison between France and Spain, for some reason that simply escapes me. As for the number of immigrants, please update your facts, we are receiving American and African immigrants by the millions, they are all ready close to 15% of the population.

Sorry if you found me rude but i just didn't like your last sentence where you said that countries like France and UK were "hiring" immigrants to win Medals.
I found it both insulting and pretty stupid to say the least.

yuri27
08-14-2010, 04:05 PM
Mauresmo, Pierce, care to respond?

Oh they were male players???
I thought we were in menstennisforums.:rolleyes:

scarecrows
08-14-2010, 04:09 PM
Oh they were male players???
I thought we were in menstennisforums.:rolleyes:

fuckface, dont rolleye on me, in your posts you were mentioning tennis in General. When you talk about popularity of the sport in France and the results players get you have to look at both sides. When you talk about olympic medals you dont separate them, do you?

peribsen
08-14-2010, 04:12 PM
Sorry if you found me rude but i just didn't like your last sentence where you said that countries like France and UK were "hiring" immigrants to win Medals.
I found it both insulting and pretty stupid to say the least.

I'm sorry, but I think it is true. As I said before, I am all for it if they have been born or grown up in the receiving country, but I'm afraid that this is not always the case. Just to give an example that involves neither of our countries, in the last European Athletics championships Turkey got gold, silver and bronze in one of the female long-distance races. The three "Turkish" runners were all Ethiopian. I'm afraid that this sort of thing is going on all the time, and I find it sad. France and Britain have been two of the first countries that started doing it. I think it demeans sport. If you are insulted by my saying so, I can't help you.

Serenidad
08-14-2010, 04:14 PM
Even still Mauresmo is a complete joke of a player who had one of the best runs of luck ever in 2006.

Furthermore, Pierce is American. She started her career playing for the USA and only switched to represent France after her father's drama with the USTA + Capriati family. She did all her training under USA systems and only learned French after being on the tour.

Pierce winning any slams doesn't provide validity to any French training or quality because she didn't even develop under their programs or even live there, and she still doesn't to this day.

yuri27
08-14-2010, 04:17 PM
Even still Mauresmo is a complete joke of a player who had one of the best runs of luck ever in 2006.

Furthermore, Pierce is American. She started her career playing for the USA and only switched to represent France after her father's drama with the USTA + Capriati family. She did all her training under USA systems and only learned French after being on the tour.

Pierce winning any slams doesn't provide validity to any French training or quality because she didn't even develop under their programs or even live there, and she still doesn't to this day.

I'm myself a big criticizer of french tennis but then,you're going too far!
Mauresmo is not a joke and if anything,she should have probably won a few more Grand Slams.
The one she won at Wimbledon in 2006 was completely deserved and had nothing to do with luck(she beat Sharapova and Henin playing classic grass-court tennis)

Serenidad
08-14-2010, 04:20 PM
Mauresmo is not a joke and if anything,she should have probably won a few more Grand Slams.


:haha: :haha: :haha:

Mauresmo was never going to win Roland Garros and she has embarrassing records against nearly every other former #1 on hardcourts. This only leaves Wimbledon, where she won during the one year no Williams got to the final to humiliate her.

Tom_Bombadil
08-14-2010, 04:29 PM
yuri27, just curious, could you tell in what sports is France so good cause I don't get it.

I'm not saying this as something negative. France is good in tennis but people keep saying they're so good on other sports and I just don't get in which ones.

yuri27
08-14-2010, 04:30 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha:

Mauresmo was never going to win Roland Garros and she has embarrassing records against nearly every other former #1 on hardcourts. This only leaves Wimbledon, where she won during the one year no Williams got to the final to humiliate her.

Nevertheless she was the big favourite to win it in 2001,having had one of the most impressive clay court seasons in recent history just before that FO.

yuri27
08-14-2010, 04:34 PM
yuri27, just curious, could you tell in what sports is France so good cause I don't get it.

I'm not saying this as something negative. France is good in tennis but people keep saying they're so good on other sports and I just don't get in which ones.


Handball(hands-on the best team in the world for the last 3 years)
Football(at least if we based on the last 20 years)
Rugby(we are the dominant force in Europe and probably the third best team in the world)
Rally(we just have the best rally driver of all time in Loeb)
Swimming(we have plenty of swimmers who are in the top 3 of their categories if not the best)
Judo
Fencing
Athletics(at least at European level as proved in the last Athletics european championships)

Tom_Bombadil
08-14-2010, 04:47 PM
Handball(hands-on the best team in the world for the last 3 years)
Football(at least if we based on the last 20 years)
Rugby(we are the dominant force in Europe and probably the third best team in the world)
Rally(we just have the best rally driver of all time in Loeb)
Swimming(we have plenty of swimmers who are in the top 3 of their categories if not the best)
Judo
Fencing
Athletics(at least at European level as proved in the last Athletics european championships)

That list is scarce at most. I, as an Spanish could make a list much much bigger with sports in which my country are world champions or have elite teams, the same could be applied for italians, germans or british. And that proves my point, France is more or less like any other country in Europe. They are better in some sports and worst in others. I just don't get the sense of this post. ;)

I would understand it if you change France for USA.

Chip_s_m
08-14-2010, 04:52 PM
I'm sorry, but I think it is true. As I said before, I am all for it if they have been born or grown up in the receiving country, but I'm afraid that this is not always the case. Just to give an example that involves neither of our countries, in the last European Athletics championships Turkey got gold, silver and bronze in one of the female long-distance races. The three "Turkish" runners were all Ethiopian. I'm afraid that this sort of thing is going on all the time, and I find it sad. France and Britain have been two of the first countries that started doing it. I think it demeans sport. If you are insulted by my saying so, I can't help you.

Then maybe Ethiopia should get it's shit together so that it's citizens don't have to leave the country to be successful in their chosen career. Shame on Turkey for providing opportunities for those who work hard. :rolleyes:

What's demeaning to sport is that so many people worldwide won't even have the chance to even attempt to take their game to an elite level. How can you blame those people who try to overcome these barriers that are completely outside of their control?

yuri27
08-14-2010, 05:31 PM
That list is scarce at most. I, as an Spanish could make a list much much bigger with sports in which my country are world champions or have elite teams, the same could be applied for italians, germans or british. And that proves my point, France is more or less like any other country in Europe. They are better in some sports and worst in others. I just don't get the sense of this post. ;)

I would understand it if you change France for USA.

Want to compare the number of medals of France and Spain in summer olympics(i'm not even talking about winter olympics) in the last 25 years(if not in history)????
It's really embarrassing for Spain but despite that,you are saying that Spain are or have performed at as many sports(if not more) as France,considering the summer Olympics are the ultimate test when it comes to the greatness of a country at being good in many different sports??????

Tom_Bombadil
08-14-2010, 05:42 PM
Want to compare the number of medals of France and Spain in summer olympics(i'm not even talking about winter olympics) in the last 25 years(if not in history)????
It's really embarrassing for Spain but despite that,you are saying that Spain are or have performed at as many sports(if not more) as France,considering the summer Olympics are the ultimate test when it comes to the greatness of a country at being good in many different sports??????

:haha::haha::haha:

Ok, dude you win. France is the best. I'm really embarrased of my country compared to yours. :rolleyes:

Tommy_Vercetti
08-14-2010, 05:49 PM
Why can't the French put together great rock bands? Who knows?

Here's a better national question: Why with a thriving nation of over a billion people, much more intelligent and physically gifted than most others outside of the West, can India not have a significant medal presence in the Olympics? That puzzles me.

Maybe they need to start eating beef.

Ibracadabra
08-14-2010, 05:58 PM
Rufin will win a slam

yuri27
08-14-2010, 05:59 PM
:haha::haha::haha:

Ok, dude you win. France is the best. I'm really embarrased of my country compared to yours. :rolleyes:

Why are you laughing???
Would you dare denying that Olympics are the best competitions when it comes to judge the overall level of a country at sports???
I know Spain have overall sucked at Olympics comparing to their European neighbours but it's not a reason to diminish the Olympics just for that.

Tom_Bombadil
08-14-2010, 06:08 PM
Why are you laughing???
Would you dare denying that Olympics are the best competitions when it comes to judge the overall level of a country at sports???
I know Spain have overall sucked at Olympics comparing their European neighbours but it's not a reason to diminish the Olympics just for that.

Yes, I dare. :D Spain has sucked, i give you that. I'm so embarrased i can't even breath. :D

By the way, taking into consideration the summer Olympics as the measure of the overall level of a country at sports (that's so fucking absurd BTW :D ) you're proving my point. OK, I quit Spain but keep Germany, Italy, China, Russia, Great Britain, Australia.

They could also be crying why they are not succeeding in tennis, cause the fencing, weight lifting, horse riding etc etc is totally related to the tennis and all the olympic tennis champions were equally succesfull in the AtP circuit. :rolleyes:

peribsen
08-14-2010, 06:39 PM
Then maybe Ethiopia should get it's shit together so that it's citizens don't have to leave the country to be successful in their chosen career. Shame on Turkey for providing opportunities for those who work hard. :rolleyes:

What's demeaning to sport is that so many people worldwide won't even have the chance to even attempt to take their game to an elite level. How can you blame those people who try to overcome these barriers that are completely outside of their control?

Oh don't put the blame on the athletes, they are doing the right thing and have all my sympathy. What I find sad is not that richer countries help people from less lucky ones, but the fact that they sometimes use it to feed their nationalistic arrogance. If Spain helps a Cuban refugee to get a medal in gymnastics, fine, its good for the athlete and an honour to Spain for helping him or her. Trouble starts when some of my countrymen start bragging about that medal and trying to use it as further proof of Spanish greatness. I've chosen an example from my own country to avoid other people thinking I'm insulting their own nations, but obviously I feel the same way when it's done by other countries.

In a nicer, kinder world, we would help a Cuban athlete compete for Cuba. It wouldn´t be cheap, but elegance has always had a price.

Chip_s_m
08-14-2010, 07:04 PM
Oh don't put the blame on the athletes, they are doing the right thing and have all my sympathy. What I find sad is not that richer countries help people from less lucky ones, but the fact that they sometimes use it to feed their nationalistic arrogance. If Spain helps a Cuban refugee to get a medal in gymnastics, fine, its good for the athlete and an honour to Spain for helping him or her. Trouble starts when some of my countrymen start bragging about that medal and trying to use it as further proof of Spanish greatness. I've chosen an example from my own country to avoid other people thinking I'm insulting their own nations, but obviously I feel the same way when it's done by other countries.

In a nicer, kinder world, we would help a Cuban athlete compete for Cuba. It wouldn´t be cheap, but elegance has always had a price.

But the Cuban is Spanish once he is granted citizenship, no? Why shouldn't the Spanish be proud of someone who has chosen to represent Spain and who has been accepted by the Spanish people as a Spaniard (when he was granted citizenship)? It reflects positively upon "Spanish greatness" that they've created a system that allows people to thrive in that sport. The Cuban wouldn't have switched nationalities unless Spain was an attractive country, and the Spanish should be proud that it's an attractive place.

ORGASMATRON
08-14-2010, 07:05 PM
they have it too easy. they can become pro without ever having to leave their country. that makes them mentally soft.

garytennis
08-14-2010, 07:08 PM
Three titles in 19 years (1991, 1996 and 2001) in Davis Cup, two other finals (1999, 2002). We are in the semi-finals this year.
Apart from the Davis Cup, I think other countries are in a more difficult position than France, Germany and Sweden for example.

yuri27
08-14-2010, 07:11 PM
Yes, I dare. :D Spain has sucked, i give you that. I'm so embarrased i can't even breath. :D

By the way, taking into consideration the summer Olympics as the measure of the overall level of a country at sports (that's so fucking absurd BTW :D ) you're proving my point. OK, I quit Spain but keep Germany, Italy, China, Russia, Great Britain, Australia.

They could also be crying why they are not succeeding in tennis, cause the fencing, weight lifting, horse riding etc etc is totally related to the tennis and all the olympic tennis champions were equally succesfull in the AtP circuit. :rolleyes:

Australia shouldn't be crying as they've been very successful in the last 25 years.
About the other countries,well tennis is not even close to be as important as it is in France so no,they shouldn't be crying about their lack of success in tennis.

Sapeod
08-14-2010, 07:18 PM
But not in other sports.Why?
Because other sports don't have Simon, Mathieu, Gasquet, Tsonga, Monfils and all the other chokers. Only decent frenchie when it comes to mentality is Mahut, and he's frequently injured.
shut your piehole Youri;you idiot:mad:
Sting a bit that frenchie tennis players have the worst mentality in the world?
UK is not even a country ffs!:rolleyes:
Unfortunately, it is.

Let's see if England were ahead of France in the medal count.

Anyway if you look at the last 4 summer Olympics,France's medal count>>>>>>>UK's medal count(and even more so if you talk only about England).
Fair enough, but don't talk as if France is the best ever, because China, Spain, USA, Russia>>>>>>>France in medal counts.

But we beat you in the 2008 Olympics:

UK - 19 golds, 13 silvers, 15 bronzes = 47 medals.
France - 7 golds (12 less than us!!!), 16 silvers, 18 bronzes = 41 medals (6 less than us)
Let's see:

-Handball(we have been completely dominant for the last 3 years)
-Swimming(we have some of the best swimmers in the world right now)
-Football(we were the best team in the world 10 years ago and are the third best european football country ever in term of international results)
-Rugby: we won the Grand Slam last year and were probably the third best team in the world
-Pole Vault,Triple jump in Athletics.
-Rally(Loeb,nuff said)
-Judo
-Fencing
-Volley Ball(we came second in some big international competitions)
-Basket Ball 10 years ago(we won the silver medal in Sydney even troubling Team USA in final)
Enough said.

yuri27
08-14-2010, 07:18 PM
Three titles in 19 years (1991, 1996 and 2001) in Davis Cup, two other finals (1999, 2002). We are in the semi-finals this year.
Apart from the Davis Cup, I think other countries are in a more difficult position than France, Germany and Sweden for example.

Really???
For a beginning,they've won Slams(Edberg and T.Johansson) in the last 25 years contrary to France.
And now,they have in Soderling a player who is better than any of the current french players.
Davis Cups mean almost nothing when you see the emphasis putted into that DC by some of the best players in the world.
Tennis is primarly an individual sport so no wonder the best players usually prioritize Grand Slams to DCs.

yuri27
08-14-2010, 07:22 PM
Because other sports don't have Simon, Mathieu, Gasquet, Tsonga, Monfils and all the other chokers. Only decent frenchie when it comes to mentality is Mahut, and he's frequently injured.

Sting a bit that frenchie tennis players have the worst mentality in the world?

Unfortunately, it is.


Fair enough, but don't talk as if France is the best ever, because China, Spain, USA, Russia>>>>>>>France in medal counts.


I fucking never ever said that.
Oh and Spain>>>>>>France in the medal counts now???:haha::haha:

Yes China,USA and Russia >>>> France in medal counts but what you forget to say is that their populations>>>>>>>>>>>France in term of numbers too.
It's more fair to compare France with countries who have around the same number of people(England,Spain,Germany,Italy).

2008 Olympics Medals:

UK - 19 golds, 13 silvers, 15 bronzes = 47 medals.
France - 7 golds (12 less than us!!!), 16 silvers, 18 bronzes = 41 medals (6 less than us)

Wow that's magnificent,i admit.
There is just one problem: considering that in the last 4 or 5 summer Olympics,France>>>>UK in the medal counts,you have to wonder if what happened in 2008 was just a one-off.

Enough said.

We won one of the most prestigious trophies in rugby(Grand Slam) and were still better than Scotland and England,countries where rugby is a very important sport.

Cloudygirl
08-14-2010, 07:29 PM
Really???
For a beginning,they've won Slams(Edberg and T.Johansson) in the last 25 years contrary to France.
And now,they have in Soderling a player who is better than any of the current french player.
Davis Cups mean almost nothing when you see the emphasis putted into that DC by some of the best players in the world.
Tennis is primarly an individual sport so no wonder the best players usually prefer to win Grand Slams than DCs.


If you use the argument that Soderling is ranked better than the current french players therefore Sweden > France at tennis then you could say Scotland > France at tennis which is clearly crap.

Tom_Bombadil
08-14-2010, 07:30 PM
Australia shouldn't be crying as they've been very successful in the last 25 years.
About the other countries,well tennis is not even close to be as important as it is in France so no,they shouldn't be crying about their lack of success in tennis.

Man, you're shootig blindly. You state in your post that why has France not succeeded in tennis if they are so good on other sports? I'm telling you there are a lot of countries that there are so good on other sports and don't succeed in tennis, and now you change your argument saying that tennis is very important in France. :rolleyes: OK man, why didn't you say that from the beginning?

You could have say why hasn't France succeed in tennis being such an important sport for that country, or why haven't France succeed in tennis having that much ATP players in the circuit? So now that I've invalided your point you move on and want to discuss another one? OK...

France has a lot of professional players, I think France and Spain are the countries that have more pros on the circuit. So why haven't your country succeed? I think if you compare with Spain maybe you should specialize your players on the clay surface like Spain has done for years. If we quit Nadal who is winning a lot by himself, Spain had always only great claycourters but on other surfaces we were average. But on the rankings at the end of the year we always had top 10s and won a lot of RGs and tournaments on clay. Maybe that could be a secret.

Out of it, I don't think there's a country who is dominating all surfaces. We have two monsters who casually are Swiss and Spanish (just as they could be Austrian and German).

P.S.: about Australia.. France shouldn't be crying cause they've been succesful in the last 100 years. :devil: Times passes very quickly in sports.

yuri27
08-14-2010, 07:35 PM
If you use the argument that Soderling is ranked better than the current french players therefore Sweden > France at tennis then you could say Scotland > France at tennis which is clearly crap.

Is it???
It's all about the results you know(as much as it hurts me to say).
Let's put it that way: if France,with all their ressources and players numbers, have not even been capable of producing a player as good as Murray (who has yet to win a GS,should i remind) in the last 25 years then that must certainly mean that something is deadly wrong in french tennis and so that Scottish tennis>French tennis because they can manage to produce such a good player with far less ressources and numbers of players.

Perhaps that France should hire Judy Murray???:rolleyes:

fran70
08-14-2010, 07:39 PM
It is an interesting point the one that is being mentioned by the original poster because France has a whole structure of Futures, Challengers, ATP tournaments, MS and even a GS that are being played on their home soil without having to get out of the country. There are plenty of them on the rankings and with many big projects like Gasquet, Tsonga, Chardy, Monfils, Mathieu just to mention some of them but they never made the final jump or found the stability required to be players with the potential to win a GS or to be on the top 5 during a stable number of years. And this is something happening not only with the present generation but formers ones too.

I think that the main point is that they have everything so easy that they lack of that hunger to be big champions. They have the material to be there but the argument mentioned before looks like the main reason for me.

And I don`t want the French people to get mad with me but this is something similar happening in this days in countries like Germany, US, Australia or Italy with a whole structure that could be the envy of other nations but they lack to get profit of it.

156mphserve
08-14-2010, 07:42 PM
ridiclous thread, I'm sure many countries would love to have France's sucess in tennis, mine included.

You say you would careless that you have 11 players in the top 100? Would make no difference if it's 30, it still doesn't measure tennis success? I'd like to get 1, just 1 canadian in the top 200. It'd be better than we have now:rolleyes:

France is good in tennis, enough said, stop your whinning

yuri27
08-14-2010, 07:45 PM
ridiclous thread, I'm sure many countries would love to have France's sucess in tennis, mine included.

You say you would careless that you have 11 players in the top 100? Would make no difference if it's 30, it still doesn't measure tennis success? I'd like to get 1, just 1 canadian in the top 200. It'd be better than we have now:rolleyes:

France is good in tennis, enough said, stop your whinning

How important is tennis in Canada???
Just answer to that question please because it's the key point there.

garytennis
08-14-2010, 07:45 PM
Soderling is the only Swedish player in the top 300.

yuri27
08-14-2010, 07:47 PM
Soderling is the only Swedish player in the top 300.

Oki so what would you prefer??? to have 50 players in the top 100 who can't win big titles or 1 player in the top 300 who can win big titles??
Ask the Swiss tennis fans what would they prefer for example: i'm sure they'd choose the second option in a heartbeat.

Sapeod
08-14-2010, 07:47 PM
Really???
For a beginning,they've won Slams(Edberg and T.Johansson) in the last 25 years contrary to France.
And now,they have in Soderling a player who is better than any of the current french player.
Davis Cups mean almost nothing when you see the emphasis putted into that DC by some of the best players in the world.
Tennis is primarly an individual sport so no wonder the best players usually prefer to win Grand Slams than DCs.
Maybe in the whole open era, Sweden and Germany have been the much better countries in tennis, but nowadays, France is clearly ahead by a LONG SHOT.
Sweden only have Soderling, Lindstedt and Aspelin
Germany have Kohlschreiber, Petzschner, Berrer, Mayer and Schuettler.
France have Clement, Llodra, Simon, Tsonga, Monfils, Gasquet, Chardy, Mathieu and Benneteau.
I fucking never ever said that.
Oh and Spain>>>>>>France in the medal counts now???:haha::haha:

Did I say you ever said that? No, I didn't.
Please pay attention, I said stop acting as if you're the best in the world, which you clearly aren't, by A LONG SHOT.

Spain are better in tonnes of sports than you, too bad there are better teams than them in those sports.
Yes China,USA and Russia >>>> France in medal counts but what you forget to say is that their populations>>>>>>>>>>>France in term of numbers too.
It's more fair to compare France with countries who have around the same number of people(England,Spain,Germany,Italy).
Why?
So France will look better?
No, all countries, big or small come into this argument, whether you like it or not.
Population doesn't matter. Look at Uruguay in football, 2 million less people than Scotland, and they are consistently one of the best teams in the world.
Of course, this is just an example of how population doesn't matter.
Wow that's magnificent,i admit.
There is just one problem: considering that in the last 4 or 5 summer Olympics,France>>>>UK in the medal counts,you have to wonder if what happened in 2008 was just a one-off.
No, it wasn't.
We owned everything in rowing, cycling (Hoy), sailing and women's swimming.
Murray may add another gold medal in 2012, and since it's held in the UK then we are bound to get much more medals than in Beijing.

thrust
08-14-2010, 07:49 PM
Despite having around the same population,GB have ten times less tennis players than France as well as ten times less tennis courts.
So i'd say that 27 years without any french male player winning a GS is far more surprising and choking than 70 years without any british player winning a GS.

BULLSHIT!

FormerRafaFan
08-14-2010, 07:49 PM
What are the French complaining about? Our best player is ranked around #400!

yuri27
08-14-2010, 07:52 PM
Population doesn't matter. Look at Uruguay in football, 2 million less people than Scotland, and they are consistently one of the best teams in the world.
Of course, this is just an example of how population doesn't matter.

Apart that your example is crap because despite the fact Uruguay won 2 WCs(long time ago it must be said),Uruguay are NOT consistently one of the best teams in the world,not even close actually(unless you stopped watching football 60 years ago and woke up this year to watch the WC 2010)

yuri27
08-14-2010, 07:53 PM
BULLSHIT!

What do you find bullshit??
The numbers i gave or the opinion i gave.

fran70
08-14-2010, 07:55 PM
ridiclous thread, I'm sure many countries would love to have France's sucess in tennis, mine included.

You say you would careless that you have 11 players in the top 100? Would make no difference if it's 30, it still doesn't measure tennis success? I'd like to get 1, just 1 canadian in the top 200. It'd be better than we have now:rolleyes:

France is good in tennis, enough said, stop your whinning

I don`t agree with you. France has a whole structure focused to develop big champions but just check the numbers and you will see that the last one to win a GS was Yannick Noah in 1983! It`s too much time for a country that has so much money invested on tennis.

There were some big names after Noah like Leconte, Forget, Pioline just to mention some but none of them and even the present generation were unable to take France where countries like Germany, US or Australia were on the past 20 years. Spain is a clear example that with a good organization can get many years later the profit of a well focused investment.

Particularly to the point that you are mentioning of Canada I know how you might feel like but I reckon that if Rusedski had played his whole career under the Canadian flag it would had helped for more people to play tennis in your country and build things from the main roots. But to be honest I don`t know what the Canadian Tennis Federation do to produce potentially good players apart of the ones coming from other countries and the tournaments that you have on the tour.

yuri27
08-14-2010, 07:56 PM
Spain are better in tonnes of sports than you, too bad there are better teams than them in those sports.


which explains this:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/spo_sum_oly_med_all_tim-summer-olympic-medals-all-time

Sapeod
08-14-2010, 07:57 PM
Apart that your example is crap because despite the fact Uruguay won 2 WCs(long time ago it must be said),Uruguay are NOT consistently one of the best teams in the world,not even close actually(unless you stopped watching football 60 years ago and woke up this year to watch the WC 2010)
I was making a point about a country with such a small population doing well in a sport.
France can't bitch about not having enough people, now stop whining and get over it.
What do you find bullshit??
The numbers i gave or the opinion i gave.
The numbers and the fact you think that is true.

70 years is much more shocking than 27 years, you simpleton.

yuri27
08-14-2010, 07:59 PM
I don`t agree with you. France has a whole structure focused to develop big champions but just check the numbers and you will see that the last one to win a GS was Yannick Noah in 1983! It`s too much time for a country that has so much money invested on tennis.



Finally someone who understand my point!
And it's not only about the money invested but also and more importantly about the fact tennis is the second most important sport in France(at least in term of registered players).
All things considered,i'd compare French tennis to the English football team in term of underachieving relatively to their ressources and to the importance of each sport in each countries.

yuri27
08-14-2010, 08:00 PM
I was making a point about a country with such a small population doing well in a sport.
France can't bitch about not having enough people, now stop whining and get over it.

The numbers and the fact you think that is true.


I was just quoting what the mother of your favourite player said,you morron.:rolleyes:


70 years is much more shocking than 27 years, you simpleton.

You really think i'm that stupid???:rolleyes:
Oki so it's more shoking for Zimbabwe to never have won a GS than for UK to not having won a GS for 70 years,you agree with that,right???:worship:

Sapeod
08-14-2010, 08:00 PM
which explains this:
So I guess that means USA & Britain>>>France by 1,518 and 40 medals respectively.

Sapeod
08-14-2010, 08:02 PM
I was just quoting what the mother of your favourite player said,you morron.:rolleyes:
And you believe it, right?
Both of you are stupid.

Don't call me a moron :retard:
And if you're going to insult people, at least spell the words right :lol:

156mphserve
08-14-2010, 08:02 PM
I just think it's funny that you're sitting here hours on end contridicting everyone who argues against you which is pretty much everyone who's posted in this thread except for you, Maybe some fresh air will clear your mind so you will start to think clearly:wavey:

yuri27
08-14-2010, 08:04 PM
So I guess that means USA & Britain>>>France by 1,518 and 40 medals respectively.

Man,you're really funny.

Sapeod
08-14-2010, 08:05 PM
Man,you're really funny.
What's so funny about the truth? :confused:
Britain & USA>>>France.
You showed that yourself.

yuri27
08-14-2010, 08:05 PM
And you believe it, right?
Both of you are stupid. :lol:

Why would she lie??

yuri27
08-14-2010, 08:07 PM
What's so funny about the truth? :confused:
Britain & USA>>>France.
You showed that yourself.


I was responding to your post saying that Spain excel in more sports than France and then i showed you that it was wrong as France completely destroy Spain when it comes to medal counts in Summer Olympics.
But then patheticly,you only chose to point out the fact that GB and USA had more medals than us.:rolleyes:

Sapeod
08-14-2010, 08:13 PM
Why would she lie??
:haha:

70 years is 43 years longer than 27 years.
Do you not understand that not winning a GS for over 70 years is worse than not winning one for 27 years???? :lol:

Sapeod
08-14-2010, 08:14 PM
I was responding to your post saying that Spain excel in more sports than France and then i showed you that it was wrong as France completely destroy Spain when it comes to medal counts in Summer Olympics.
But then patheticly,you only chose to point out the fact that GB and USA had more medals than us.:rolleyes:
You were making claims that Britain's 2008 olympics was a one off and that France had been much much better than them in the 4 olympics before that.
So what?
Seems to me that overall Britain has 40 more medals than France, bub.
I didn't even know that, so I pointed that out.

Nowadays Spain own France in the sporting world.
Overall, I guess you're right.
Frenchieland>>>Spaniardland

Helevorn
08-14-2010, 09:09 PM
if France is not completely ridiculous in every sport it has to thank all the great players coming from Morocco, Madagascar, Ivory Coast, Senegal, Martinique and so on, playing under France's flag

I think French sportsmen with French families are good only in road bicycle racing

Ibracadabra
08-14-2010, 10:00 PM
Point is, scotland are good at nothing.

Elena.
08-14-2010, 10:11 PM
they'll win the Davis this year likely !Go figure .

swebright
08-14-2010, 10:27 PM
Yeah, Roger is the closest to the french.

Roger giving interview in French on french-canadian chanel. Ha ha he was talking about his pink shirt at Llordra match. Shirt exchange (may be Llordra wants that pink shirt specifically as a momento). There was also a mention of pink panther.

:Zaz:
08-14-2010, 11:54 PM
Can't wait for Har-Tru to weigh in on this one. :lol:

:rolls:



This thread would be painful its so flawed, if it weren't so funny :lol:

careergrandslam
08-15-2010, 12:19 AM
Listen,even when there were far less immigrants in France,France used to own Spain in Olympics......that's all that needs to be said.
France are just better than Spain in many many sports.
Spain are very very good in some very popular sports(especially now) but overall,there are few sports where they perform contrary to countries like USA,China,Russia,France or Germany.

And it's not our fault if much more immigrants want to come in France rather than in Spain.

:haha:

france better than spain at sports currently?

:haha:

guess u have been living under a rock recently

Sapeod
08-15-2010, 02:24 AM
Point is, scotland are good at nothing.
Better than crummy Ireland.

Certinfy
08-15-2010, 02:47 AM
In your dream perhaps.
The guy is a total joke.The way he crumbled against the mental midget scottish in the last Wimbledon was just pathetic.
As a Gasquet fan you can't even talk shit about Tsonga, and he was injured in that match just for your information hence him missing out on Toronto, Cincinnati and possibly even the USO.

latso
08-15-2010, 01:12 PM
Davis cup doesn't count for tennis success, but the WC and the Euro count for football.

GSs count for tennis, but CL and EL don't count for football.

You think France is successful in Volleyball.

What exactly has France in swimming? Some medals at the Euro championship? oh great... "France has some very good swimmers atm" - yes. France has some very good tennis players atm too.

France is great in Rugby. True. India is awesome in cricket. Great....

How come in every 10th bar in France there is a pool table and a darts machine, but it's only the UK to get the medals? :confused: sad, isn't it...

Switzerland is the size of Lyon, but they have 21 GSs combined in the last 20 years and tennis is the THIRD national sport after Ski and eating fondue...how fair is that? :(

You're a joke dude

latso
08-15-2010, 01:16 PM
if France is not completely ridiculous in every sport it has to thank all the great players coming from Morocco, Madagascar, Ivory Coast, Senegal, Martinique and so on, playing under France's flag

I think French sportsmen with French families are good only in road bicycle racing
That's not exactly fair because First - why Morocco, Madagascar, etc. have no success in sports but suddenly when their guys go to France - boom, by coincidence they happen to be great athletes...ever though about that?

Second not exactly fair point - u missed Algeria and it's the motherland of the one who brought 2 major cups to France, without which this thread would have been - how come football is the most popular sport in France and we suck THAt bad, while in tennis we have 11 top 100 guys?

yuri27
08-15-2010, 01:31 PM
Davis cup doesn't count for tennis success, but the WC and the Euro count for football.

GSs count for tennis, but CL and EL don't count for football.

You think France is successful in Volleyball.

What exactly has France in swimming? Some medals at the Euro championship? oh great... "France has some very good swimmers atm" - yes. France has some very good tennis players atm too.

France is great in Rugby. True. India is awesome in cricket. Great....

How come in every 10th bar in France there is a pool table and a darts machine, but it's only the UK to get the medals? :confused: sad, isn't it...

Switzerland is the size of Lyon, but they have 21 GSs combined in the last 20 years and tennis is the THIRD national sport after Ski and eating fondue...how fair is that? :(

You're a joke dude

What about the last Olympics??:rolleyes:

laurie-1
08-15-2010, 01:32 PM
I mean,they've been successful in every other popular sports at one point in the last 20 years(football,rugby,athletics,swimming,handball,b asketball) bar one: tennis.
And nevertheless,it's one of France's most popular sports.
It's really strange as it's not like they are chokers in other sports but in tennis,they are generally awful considering the number of registered players they have and their ressources.

Well France won the Davis Cup in 1991 and 2001 plus got to the finals in 1999 and 2002 and are always contenders.

France have also done well in the Federation cup over the years, winning in 1997 and getting to the final in 2005, they may have won in between that period but I can't remember.

Yannick Noah is one of the few captains to have captained both the Davis Cup and Fed cup teams to success; I even remember him doing a conga with some of the players to celebrate!

Amelie Mauresmo won Wimbledon in 2006 and the Aussie Open of course.

As far as I can see, France are doing quite well. Of course they would like a male player to win a slam tournament but its not easy to win slam tournaments - perhaps French guys are too injury prone at the moment.

yuri27
08-15-2010, 01:35 PM
That's not exactly fair because First - why Morocco, Madagascar, etc. have no success in sports but suddenly when their guys go to France - boom, by coincidence they happen to be great athletes...ever though about that?

Second not exactly fair point - u missed Algeria and it's the motherland of the one who brought 2 major cups to France, without which this thread would have been - how come football is the most popular sport in France and we suck THAt bad, while in tennis we have 11 top 100 guys?

French football suck AT THE MOMENT(not sure it will last though) but for the last 25 years,they've been overall the second best country in the world behind Brazil(1 WC,1 Euro,1 WC final and 1 WC 1/2 final)......whereas at tennis,we've ALWAYS sucked in the last 25 years(we've not won any significant titles)

yuri27
08-15-2010, 01:37 PM
Well France won the Davis Cup in 1991 and 2001 plus got to the finals in 1999 and 2002 and are always contenders.

France have also done well in the Federation cup over the years, winning in 1997 and getting to the final in 2005, they may have won in between that period but I can't remember.

Yannick Noah is one of the few captains to have captained both the Davis Cup and Fed cup teams to success; I even remember him doing a conga with some of the players to celebrate!

Amelie Mauresmo won Wimbledon in 2006 and the Aussie Open of course.

As far as I can see, France are doing quite well. Of course they would like a male player to win a slam tournament but its not easy to win slam tournaments - perhaps French guys are too injury prone at the moment.

I agree but still,when you look at the list of countries whose players have won a GS for the last 25 years,the fact a hugely traditionnal tennis country like France is not in that list makes it really embarassing for them.

And sorry to say it again but Davis Cup's value in tennis is really questionnable,when you see the emphasis putted by most of the best players in that competition.

laurie-1
08-15-2010, 02:06 PM
I agree but still,when you look at the list of countries whose players have won a GS for the last 25 years,the fact a hugely traditionnal tennis country like France is not in that list makes it really embarassing for them.

And sorry to say it again but Davis Cup's value in tennis is really questionnable,when you see the emphasis putted by most of the best players in that competition.

The ITF have to take some blame because they seem not to want to listen to some very good ideas on how to revamp the Davis Cup and give it more value.

Yuri, maybe you can explain this;

I love the French Open, I've attended it many times. But, France continually produce players that perform better on non clay surfaces;

France have produced instinctive and creative shotmakers with excellent volleying skills - consequently they've done better on grass. Obviously Mauresmo. Tauziat got to the Wimbledon final in 1998 serving and volleying. Pioline got to the Wimbledon final in 1997. Gasquet got to the Wimbledon semifinal in 2007. Tsonga got to the quarterfinal this year and Forget and Leconte have done well in the past.

Why do France produce so many creative players who don't seem to thrive playing that much on clay as much as faster surfaces?

yuri27
08-15-2010, 02:13 PM
The ITF have to take some blame because they seem not to want to listen to some very good ideas on how to revamp the Davis Cup and give it more value.

Yuri, maybe you can explain this;

I love the French Open, I've attended it many times. But, France continually produce players that perform better on non clay surfaces;

France have produced instinctive and creative shotmakers with excellent volleying skills - consequently they've done better on grass. Obviously Mauresmo. Tauziat got to the Wimbledon final in 1998 serving and volleying. Pioline got to the Wimbledon final in 1997. Gasquet got to the Wimbledon semifinal in 2007. Tsonga got to the quarterfinal this year and Forget and Leconte have done well in the past.

Why do France produce so many creative players who don't seem to thrive playing that much on clay as much as faster surfaces?

Well,there is only one GS played on Clay out of 4 so i'm not sure that the fact the french players perform better on fast surfaces than on clay can explain the fact they've been slamless for 25 years.
Oh and the last slam won by a French male player was on clay so if anything,you could say that their results on fast surfaces are more catastrophic if we look at a longer period (100 slams played in the last 25 years,75 of them being on fast surfaces but only one was won by a french player and it was.........on clay)

So all in all,i'd say that the fact the french players don't perform on clay is just a false problem considering that 3 of the 4 Grand Slams are being played on fast surfaces.
And even if the french players performed well on clay,it's far from being sure they would manage to win the FO(home pressure-Murray can testify-,etc.....)

And in all honesty,i widely prefer to see french players perform on fast surfaces than on clay(i don't like this surface)

laurie-1
08-15-2010, 02:39 PM
Well,there is only one GS played on Clay out of 4 so i'm not sure that the fact the french players perform better on fast surfaces than on clay can explain the fact they've been slamless for 25 years.
Oh and the last slam won by a French male player was on clay so if anything,you could say that their results on fast surfaces are more catastrophic if we look at a longer period (100 slams played in the last 25 years,75 of them being on fast surfaces but only one was won by a french player and it was.........on clay)

So all in all,i'd say that the fact the french players don't perform on clay is just a false problem considering that 3 of the 4 Grand Slams are being played on fast surfaces.
And even if the french players performed well on clay,it's far from being sure they would manage to win the FO(home pressure-Murray can testify-,etc.....)

And in all honesty,i widely prefer to see french players perform on fast surfaces than on clay(i don't like this surface)

Thanks for that answer. And I wonder how many other French people prefer faster surfaces even though the National Championship is played on clay.

Leo
08-15-2010, 04:01 PM
The current batch of Frenchmen have talent but not enough grit. They're not the type of players who can grind out matches and play the right shots when they need to. Monfils, Tsonga, Simon, Mathieu, Gasquet, and Llodra add an interesting layer to the Top 30, but the French will need someone else for them one day to win a Slam for them.

laurie-1
08-15-2010, 07:45 PM
The current batch of Frenchmen have talent but not enough grit. They're not the type of players who can grind out matches and play the right shots when they need to. Monfils, Tsonga, Simon, Mathieu, Gasquet, and Llodra add an interesting layer to the Top 30, but the French will need someone else for them one day to win a Slam for them.

Yes, that's always been the charge levelled at French players.

Amelie Mauresmo faced the same criticisms didn't she? Winning the 2005 WTA final changed her career and self belief. Who can forget her victory speech at Wimbledon when she said "I don't want people to talk about my nerves anymore!"

And I remember many commentators talking about Pioline not having the belief and drive / motivation to succeed, to go with his natural talent.

latso
08-15-2010, 09:10 PM
French football suck AT THE MOMENT(not sure it will last though) but for the last 25 years,they've been overall the second best country in the world behind Brazil(1 WC,1 Euro,1 WC final and 1 WC 1/2 final)......whereas at tennis,we've ALWAYS sucked in the last 25 years(we've not won any significant titles)
No Zidane = No cups, no semis, no finals

No Federer = 2-3 French GSs eventually

That's life

yuri27
08-15-2010, 10:06 PM
No Zidane = No cups, no semis, no finals

No Federer = 2-3 French GSs eventually

That's life

Well,France won 1 Euro and made 3 WC 1/2 finals without Zidane......

156mphserve
08-15-2010, 10:21 PM
will you just give it a rest already, there are loads of countries out there that wish they had the same success as the french in tennis.

krakenzero
08-16-2010, 01:47 AM
French football suck AT THE MOMENT(not sure it will last though) but for the last 25 years,they've been overall the second best country in the world behind Brazil(1 WC,1 Euro,1 WC final and 1 WC 1/2 final)......whereas at tennis,we've ALWAYS sucked in the last 25 years(we've not won any significant titles)

You DO know that through the same period Germany, Argentina and Italy have achieved at least the same, do you??

France has 3 Davis Cup in that period and 8 overall, not bad at all. Nadal, Sampras, Agassi and everyone else thinks that it's a great achievement. It's as simple as that.

latso
08-16-2010, 10:46 AM
Well,France won 1 Euro and made 3 WC 1/2 finals without Zidane......
you're a funny guy

yeah, you also have Lafontaine who scored many goals in WC finals

but is this anyhow relevant for the topic? or u just swicth in order to fit your weak arguments?

When u had these, Noah won GSs in singles and doubles

What has club football of France achieved since the OM CL, which wasn't even CL back then?

Funny discussion lol

laurie-1
08-16-2010, 11:04 AM
Yuri,

You are actually lucky to be moaning like this after all the success the French have had and at least are often contenders.

What if you were British? When is the last time Britain have had a top class female player for instance?

And we have the usual problem that if Murray loses, we have nothng else - you guys have quite a few players who are world class (if underachievers at the moment).

You've got to lighten up :D :wavey:

Blackbriar
08-16-2010, 11:48 AM
hello to everybody, i'm french supporter and mainly a fan of Gasquet. I know that supporting french players like Ritchie is usually depressing because they rarely win ;) I think that there is only one "big" player that is missing to make France a leading nation. IMO Tsonga is too limited to fulfill the job. nevertheless they are only 5 top players in the world and most nations dont have one.

MurrayFan1
08-16-2010, 11:51 AM
Thread title is so true. They have what, 15 players in the top 100? They may as well give up.

dombrfc
08-16-2010, 12:54 PM
Man what are you on!
Id give so much for Britain to have Frances setup and results!

Blackbriar
08-16-2010, 02:21 PM
I disagree with you: One Murray weights MUCH more than all the Tsonga, Monfils and Simon of France. The guy has won more titles than all of the 3 top french players!!!

a single champion is always better than a lot of underachievers.

Machiavelli
08-16-2010, 02:26 PM
I disagree with you: One Murray weights MUCH more than all the Tsonga, Monfils and Simon of France. The guy has won more titles than all of the 3 top french players!!!

a single champion is always better than a lot of underachievers.

Monfils and Simon underachiever? How can a circus clown and a skinny pusher be underachievers?

Har-Tru
08-16-2010, 02:27 PM
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/victories.html

Blackbriar
08-16-2010, 02:32 PM
Monfils and Simon underachiever? How can a circus clown and a skinny pusher be underachievers?

I tried to stay polite, but I'm not far from your opinion :devil:

Ouragan
08-16-2010, 02:41 PM
Hilarious thread. Please continue, yuri27, and thanks for the entertainment.

Sophocles
08-16-2010, 05:31 PM
Er it kinda depends how you're measuring success. If the sole measurement is slam titles, then no France has not been successful, but how fair is that as a measure? Winning a slam is achieved by so few players in the world it is barely statistically significant.

Blackbriar
08-16-2010, 05:52 PM
ok, but french doesnt even win MS 1000!

Start da Game
08-16-2010, 06:02 PM
i am not interested in why france cannot produce title winners but giles simon is one player who looks talented to me.......he may not have the power of monfils or tsonga but he is a very clever player who can beat big players on hardcourts.......someone should set his career on track again.......