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Toronto QF: Nadal def. Kohlschreiber 3/6, 6/3, 6/4

HKz
08-13-2010, 09:47 PM
As expected, Philipp made it competitive and took at least a set. Philipp had his chances in the third but could not convert and subsequently got mentally down on himself and let Nadal back in. Nadal will have to step it up against Murray who is playing very solid. Nadal started playing some inspirational stuff near the end of the third set against Philipp, but he needs to sustain good play against Murray.

Nonetheless, Philipp is always fun to watch, great touch and hits the ball big. It was a good week for him.

Stats-

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ImmzB
08-13-2010, 09:47 PM
Vamos Rafa!!!

COME ON!!!

:yeah:

MacTheKnife
08-13-2010, 09:47 PM
Kohli knows his place in tennis and he's not about to budge from it..

Fiberlight1
08-13-2010, 09:48 PM
As expected, Philipp made it competitive and took at least a set. Philipp had his chances in the third but could not convert and subsequently got mentally down on himself and let Nadal back in. Nadal will have to step it up against Murray who is playing very solid. Nadal started playing some inspirational stuff near the end of the third set against Philipp, but he needs to sustain good play against Murray.

Nonetheless, Philipp is always fun to watch, great touch and hits the ball big. It was a good week for him.

Nadal was horrible in the first set and Kohls was playing pretty well.. Hopefully he'll do some damage at the US Open..

misty1
08-13-2010, 09:48 PM
this loss really hurts kohli had 0-30 and 30-40 in that second set and if he could have broken it quite possibly could have ledt to his first win over nadal:sad:

straitup
08-13-2010, 09:48 PM
Philipp had chances in the 3rd set but couldn't take advantage...Rafa wasn't playing that well but was able to turn that one around well. Nadal-Murray will be fun

FormerRafaFan
08-13-2010, 09:49 PM
Even Nadal at his worst can beat guys like Kohli. Good job Rafa!

I personally guessed Rafa in 3 and I was right. Like I said, he usually have it tough facing Kohli.

The Magician
08-13-2010, 09:49 PM
Nadal didn't have to do anything. It was NID Kohli would choke if he had a chance to actually win, and that's exactly what happened on the third set bp. Sad that only the top players have the mental stability to take each other out, but that's the state of tennis at the moment :o

Kiedis
08-13-2010, 09:49 PM
Nadal had slow legs today.
Kohlschreiber had his chance while served at great level

Mechlan
08-13-2010, 09:50 PM
Nadal didn't play great but he played well enough. Philipp's serve completely vanished in the third after being great for the first two sets. Competitive stuff. Looking forward to Murray-Nadal.

KarlyM
08-13-2010, 09:50 PM
Kohli did better than I expected him to. ;)

Now get the title Rafa! :)

Ben.
08-13-2010, 09:50 PM
Rafa was woeful in that first set, just awful. Much, much better after that though, sometimes exceptional. Match hinged on the first six games of the third which were all very very tight, bar one love service game for Kholi. Good effort from him though, never went away, made Rafa step it up to beat him.

Smoke944
08-13-2010, 09:50 PM
Seen this script play out a million times before.

Nadal against offensive player that gets out to hot a start but folds when Nadal cuts down on the errors and goes into retrieving mode.

Snooze worthy stuff :zzz:

dombrfc
08-13-2010, 09:51 PM
Seen it all before

finn98
08-13-2010, 09:52 PM
Nadal's backhand in the first set was :help:
He is serving well btw....especially the body serve and wide serve :worship:

Kohli:hug:

Filo V.
08-13-2010, 09:54 PM
People are going to overreact most likely, but the fact is, Rafa won, he had several chances in the third to make it much easier, and then Phillip had a second wind when Rafa didn't take advantage originally. But he dug down, got better, and outlasted Kohli. The second and third sets he served much better, got much more aggressive and was much better on second serve returns. Phillip dropped his level dramatically after set one, especially off the return and his serving.

To take anything from this match into tomorrow is not smart. It's one match.

timafi
08-13-2010, 09:54 PM
Kohlschreiber you choker:o:(:(:(:(:(:(

TennisOnWood
08-13-2010, 09:55 PM
First player in 2010 with 50 victories... 9th 1/2 from 11 tournaments played :worship:


9 consecutive Masters 1000 1/2.. record that will stay for long and may well be even better

Johnny Groove
08-13-2010, 09:55 PM
Good fight.

Manequin75
08-13-2010, 09:56 PM
Nadal didn't have to do anything. It was NID Kohli would choke if he had a chance to actually win, and that's exactly what happened on the third set bp. Sad that only the top players have the mental stability to take each other out, but that's the state of tennis at the moment :o

when others develop the mental ability then they will also become top players. WHy is such a state of tennis bad?

philosophicalarf
08-13-2010, 09:56 PM
Kohl did his usual effort: stretched the big name, then folded when it mattered. Had bp in the final set at 3-2, missed a simple second serve return by several miles, then lost 10 points in a row. 35% first serve in the 3rd set too.

henke007
08-13-2010, 09:57 PM
Sod will count on Rafa to give him the nr 4 rank tomorrow:spit::yippee:

spacenoxx
08-13-2010, 09:58 PM
Seen this script play out a million times before.

Nadal against offensive player that gets out to hot a start but folds when Nadal cuts down on the errors and goes into retrieving mode.

Snooze worthy stuff :zzz:

I thought it was the opposite. He hardly had any winners in the first set, making quite a few UEs and playing defensively when he couldnt find the range on is shots. Once he started playing/returning a bit aggressively Kohli couldn't do much.

I suggest you look at the stats and also the graphs shown by JG/DA/RK and you will realize that prolly are a bit off in your assessment.

The Magician
08-13-2010, 09:58 PM
when others develop the mental ability then they will also become top players. WHy is such a state of tennis bad?

Because no one ever loses in the early rounds, you know before the tournament starts what the QF/SF matches are going to be. Not only that, the top players don't even have to play well to face each other, simply their aura makes them win. This is how the WTA used to be and it's not a good thing.

The Magician
08-13-2010, 10:00 PM
At 5-3, Kohi showed how vulnerable Nadal's forward movement is and one-dimensional gameplan to dropshots. Too bad Kohli could only do it when he didn't care anymore and was out of the match. The next game he went back to shanking the ball on important points, and Nadal will continue to get away with one-dimensional moonball tactics :rolleyes:

garytennis
08-13-2010, 10:00 PM
... and at the end of the story, it's always Rafa who wins !

NJ88
08-13-2010, 10:02 PM
Nadal seemed to be half asleep in the first set, don't know what happened there.

He played a lot better in the last two, while Kohlschrieber was also still playing pretty decently. Good win for Nadal, Murray/Nadal should be great tomorrow.

Manequin75
08-13-2010, 10:03 PM
At 5-3, Kohi showed how vulnerable Nadal's forward movement is and one-dimensional gameplan to dropshots. Too bad Kohli could only do it when he didn't care anymore and was out of the match. The next game he went back to shanking the ball on important points, and Nadal will continue to get away with one-dimensional moonball tactics :rolleyes:

dont worry. I know how much you hate Rafa. Tomorrow I think he loses to Andy. You can take the champagne out then.

ossie
08-13-2010, 10:06 PM
the king was generous today

The Magician
08-13-2010, 10:08 PM
dont worry. I know how much you hate Rafa. Tomorrow I think he loses to Andy. You can take the champagne out then.

You'll be the first person I toast to :drink::aparty:

Persimmon
08-13-2010, 10:08 PM
:haha:Sod will count on Rafa to give him the nr 4 rank tomorrow:spit::yippee:

rafa_maniac
08-13-2010, 10:10 PM
Nadal was awful in the first set, both played a good last set though. Overall a big effort from Kohli and good enough in the end from Rafa, but it won't be tomorrow.

careergrandslam
08-13-2010, 10:13 PM
At 5-3, Kohi showed how vulnerable Nadal's forward movement is and one-dimensional gameplan to dropshots. Too bad Kohli could only do it when he didn't care anymore and was out of the match. The next game he went back to shanking the ball on important points, and Nadal will continue to get away with one-dimensional moonball tactics :rolleyes:

go crawl back into ur hole dude.
come out if/when murray beats nadal.
go on.

Sillyrabbit
08-13-2010, 10:14 PM
Not a suprising result. Kohlschreiber was hardly gonna win here, if he couldn't beat Nadal at Melbourne, when Nadal was really there for the taking that day.

careergrandslam
08-13-2010, 10:18 PM
First player in 2010 with 50 victories... 9th 1/2 from 11 tournaments played :worship:


9 consecutive Masters 1000 1/2.. record that will stay for long and may well be even better

is that right?
who has the next most masters 1000 consecutive semis?

i think rafa also has the most masters 1000 consecutive quarters, doesnt he?
aswell as the highest masters 1000 winning %.
most masters 1000 titles.

he is becoming a masters 1000 beast.

TennisOnWood
08-13-2010, 10:27 PM
is that right?
who has the next most masters 1000 consecutive semis?

i think rafa also has the most masters 1000 consecutive quarters, doesnt he?
aswell as the highest masters 1000 winning %.
most masters 1000 titles.

he is becoming a masters 1000 beast.

Bloody 20 consecutive Masters 1000 1/4 :p

Federer made 7 consecutive 1/2 but with not all tournaments played,Agassi and Sampras are not that good,Djokovic is on 4

Bilbo
08-13-2010, 10:28 PM
I've seen this movie before with Kohlschreiber

Gladiator
08-13-2010, 10:29 PM
Kohli run out of gas in the third, low 1st service percentage. He did great job as expected
Nadal was awful,though he won, and it'll be diffecult to beat Murray in the semi with this performance

I hope all top 4 player be in the semis and a FEDAL final would be awesome. If both Nadal and Djokovic make it to the final, that's going to be funny since they joined the double together and no. 1 & 2 players agianst each other in the final just wow.

Vamos

Montego
08-13-2010, 10:29 PM
What is the record of consecutive Masters R32 ?

:rolleyes:

Manequin75
08-13-2010, 10:30 PM
You'll be the first person I toast to :drink::aparty:

dont rub it in :) Its gonna be tough to see Rafito lose. i hate to see him lose. Dont know but my mind is convinced murray will prevail tomorrow.

osmonde
08-13-2010, 10:30 PM
Nadal is better to start fast tomorrow, otherwise Murray won't allow him to come back easily if he loses the 1st set.
Better result than last year though, when he reached QF; so more points adding up.
Always good to take.

Manequin75
08-13-2010, 10:31 PM
Kohli run out of gas in the third, low 1st service percentage. He did great job as expected
Nadal was awful,though he won, and it'll be diffecult to beat Murray in the semi with this performance

I hope all top 4 player be in the semis and a FEDAL final would be awesome. If both Nadal and Djokovic make it to the final, that's going to be funny since they joined the double together and no. 1 & 2 players agianst each other in the final just wow.

Vamos

Djokovich was asked the same question about meeting his doubles partner in the finals. He said that he had discussed it with Rafa about the possibilities and the plan was that should this happen, the winner will pay for the charter flight to Cincy :)

tennisfan856
08-13-2010, 10:36 PM
as the first serve disappeared, so did Kohli. One day Kohlschreiber....one day.

green25814
08-13-2010, 10:39 PM
The amount of times Kohli shanked 2nd serve returns was ridiculous.

Nadal will have to play better against Murray, who won't be so generous.

Persimmon
08-13-2010, 10:39 PM
dont rub it in :) Its gonna be tough to see Rafito lose. i hate to see him lose.

Stay away from the HC season?:wavey:

peribsen
08-13-2010, 10:41 PM
Sad that only the top players have the mental stability to take each other out, but that's the state of tennis at the moment :o

You are forgetting Soderling's win over Nadal at FO 2009. Unless you consider Soderling a top player...

Sod will count on Rafa to give him the nr 4 rank tomorrow:spit::yippee:

Bad day for tennis if a guy that has achieved next to nothing like Soderling can reach nr 4!!

... and Nadal will continue to get away with one-dimensional moonball tactics :rolleyes:

Like in his matches against Fed in Rg or Wimby 2008? Or like in the three succesive butcherings of Sod, Murray and Berdych that closed his 2010 WB win? If you really think Nadal's play is one-dimensional or based on moonballing, I wonder on what grounds you consider yourself a tennis expert...

Manequin75
08-13-2010, 10:45 PM
Stay away from the HC season?:wavey:

someone should take the wave icon away from you LOL You routinely predicted everybody to beat Rafa at wimbledon and were so wrong. Hope Rafito plays lights out at the US open on important points. Thats all that is needed. Murray can take tomorrow's match and even the cincy open.

a couple of :wavey: :wavey: :wavey: to you mate haha...

Singularity
08-13-2010, 10:52 PM
Because no one ever loses in the early rounds, you know before the tournament starts what the QF/SF matches are going to be. Not only that, the top players don't even have to play well to face each other, simply their aura makes them win. This is how the WTA used to be and it's not a good thing.
Well, this year the top players have either been sidelined, or they've played very poorly (Djokovic, Murray, Federer etc.). The "top 4" was nowhere to be seen in masters events, until now, at least. I think what you mean is *Nadal* has been playing well, and getting through tough matches with low ranked players; due to him stepping it up when it matters. And of course, that's not something Nadal should be given credit for: no, it must signal a weak era.

Anyway, let me try to understand MTF reasoning:

When the very top players nearly always beat their lower ranked opponents, that shows the era is weak, because of the lack of "mental strength" showcased. And when the very top players get beaten frequently by their lower ranked opponents that shows the era is weak because there are no 'truly' great players. Is that right?

The Magician
08-13-2010, 10:53 PM
You are forgetting Soderling's win over Nadal at FO 2009. Unless you consider Soderling a top player...


That was one of the biggest upsets of all time, and even then Soderling went back to mental muggery. He has the game to beat Nadal as he showed but he has played like crap against Nadal 2 times in a row now and is looking to be another comfortable matchup for Nadal. I don't think it's a good thing that Soda/Berdych can't handle GS finals, just like I think it sucks Murray plays poorly in them even though I was happy Federer won.

I would rather the top players have to play well and change tactics to win important events, even for my favorites, but 99% of Nadal fans just want him to win so they can feel accomplished. Is Wawrinka's terrible choke yesterday and Kohli's collapse in the 3rd today really how you want Nadal to win what is supposed to be in theory a difficult event to win?

Manequin75
08-13-2010, 10:55 PM
Anyway, let me try to understand MTF reasoning:

When the very top players nearly always beat their lower ranked opponents, that shows the era is weak, because of the lack of "mental strength" showcased. And when the very top players get beaten frequently by their lower ranked opponents that shows the era is weak because there are no 'truly' great players. Is that right?


over flow of logic in that post mate. Lot of brain cells gonna be destroyed deciphering that...

Filo V.
08-13-2010, 10:55 PM
Soderling isn't a top 4 player and definitely isn't better than Murray so the only reason I would be happy to see Murray win tomorrow is to prevent that from happening.

The Magician
08-13-2010, 10:58 PM
Well, this year the top players have either been sidelined, or they've played very poorly (Djokovic, Murray, Federer etc.). The "top 4" was nowhere to be seen in masters events, until now, at least. I think what you mean is *Nadal* has been playing well, and getting through tough matches with low ranked players; due to him stepping it up when it matters. And of course, that's not something Nadal should be given credit for: no, it must signal a weak era.

Anyway, let me try to understand MTF reasoning:

When the very top players nearly always beat their lower ranked opponents, that shows the era is weak, because of the lack of "mental strength" showcased. And when the very top players get beaten frequently by their lower ranked opponents that shows the era is weak because there are no 'truly' great players. Is that right?

Actually what's happening is the top players are playing like crap but they still win, so all the matches suck. How many memorable matches between top players can you think of this year, or even memorable matches in general? Djokovic has no business being #2, Nadal has no business winning the FO/Wimby double (not dropping a set at FO) the way he was playing, no one is stepping up and actually winning the big events and instead Nadal is collecting them all simply by being there when the inevitable choke comes :o Last year, which was a great year for tennis, apparently was a peak and we're now in a deep valley.

A_Skywalker
08-13-2010, 11:02 PM
Actually what's happening is the top players are playing like crap but they still win, so all the matches suck. How many memorable matches between top players can you think of this year, or even memorable matches in general? Djokovic has no business being #2, Nadal has no business winning the FO/Wimby double (not dropping a set at FO) the way he was playing, no one is stepping up and actually winning the big events and instead Nadal is collecting them all simply by being there when the inevitable choke comes :o Last year, which was a great year for tennis, apparently was a peak and we're now in a deep valley.

SO basically it was a peak when Nadal was losing, I understand your logic, if Nadal wins the GSs its not a peak, but if he loses and someone else wins its a peak. :rolleyes:

The Magician
08-13-2010, 11:08 PM
SO basically it was a peak when Nadal was losing, I understand your logic, if Nadal wins the GSs its not a peak, but if he loses and someone else wins its a peak. :rolleyes:

Last year there were quite a few legendary matches, the emergence of a bunch of players at the highest level, great stories like toppling the RG king and Roger becoming the GOAT, etc. The year has been boring and filled with classic chokers like Berdych, Soderling, Nalbandian, being the best hopes for excitement. If Nadal being out of the game is what it takes, than so be it. I'm just stating the facts :wavey:

Singularity
08-13-2010, 11:21 PM
Actually what's happening is the top players are playing like crap but they still win, so all the matches suck. How many memorable matches between top players can you think of this year, or even memorable matches in general? Djokovic has no business being #2, Nadal has no business winning the FO/Wimby double (not dropping a set at FO) the way he was playing, no one is stepping up and actually winning the big events and instead Nadal is collecting them all simply by being there when the inevitable choke comes :o Last year, which was a great year for tennis, apparently was a peak and we're now in a deep valley.
Well, which top players apart from Nadal have "dominated" the season? Berdych and Soderling are third and fourth in the race respectively, and they've lost to plenty of lower ranked players. I don't even need to mention Murray or Djokovic. This is what you were asking for, wasn't it?

It seems what you really want is the top players to play to their potential, and meet each other, and have great matches. Well to get that, then they're going to have to stay past the early rounds. If Nadal had lost to Kohlschreiber today then we wouldn't have a Nadal-Murray semi. Which is more exciting, a Kohlschreiber-Murray semi, or a Nadal-Murray semi? (Well, I guess I already know your answer anyway; but I mean for the majority of fans). I think what would be best for tennis would be the return of the "big 4"; And that includes Nadal.

peribsen
08-13-2010, 11:23 PM
He has the game to beat Nadal as he showed but he has played like crap against Nadal 2 times in a row now and is looking to be another comfortable matchup for Nadal.

Aren't you reading too much into a single match? Besides, most top-20/30 players have the game to beat any one on a given day and that doesn´t mean they can be expected to do it often. Even Montañes pummeled Fed in Estoril, I hope you're not deluded enough to proclaim he 'has what it takes' to beat Roger.

..but 99% of Nadal fans just want him to win so they can feel accomplished.

If you analized that phrase seriously, you would see just how biased you are. The same thing could be said of many fans of any player, yet wou choose to say it is the case of "99% of Nadal fans". Do you actually know us all to be so despective about us?

Is Wawrinka's terrible choke yesterday and Kohli's collapse in the 3rd today really how you want Nadal to win what is supposed to be in theory a difficult event to win?

Meaning of course that Fed fans would really have wanted him to fall against Falla in Wimby 1st RD. Of course. You see, everybody would rather see thair fave fall than survive a bad match to play again the next day. Only Nadal fans are so treacherous as to prefer the contrary. Of course.

Trouble is you would never choose to take that match (Fed vs Falla, or Fed vs Montañes) as an example of Fed's level of play. While in sharp contrast, every time Nadal muddles through a bad day, you are sure to start arguing that you can't even begin to understand how anybody can enjoy Nadal's game. So Fed's, or Murray's, or whoever's bad days are the exception that can be ignored, while Nadal's are for you the standard of his game, while the several dozen really outstanding big victories he has achieved in his life are accidents that you seem never to remember.

You are biased as hell, Magician, try to do something about it.

Ben.
08-13-2010, 11:28 PM
Last year there were quite a few legendary matches, the emergence of a bunch of players at the highest level, great stories like toppling the RG king and Roger becoming the GOAT, etc. The year has been boring and filled with classic chokers like Berdych, Soderling, Nalbandian, being the best hopes for excitement. If Nadal being out of the game is what it takes, than so be it. I'm just stating the facts :wavey:

Fed was the beneficiary of much of this choking that so often disgusts you, and leads to you spewing your utter drivel all over the forum, to capture the RG/W double last year. Disgusting double standards.

The Magician
08-13-2010, 11:45 PM
Well, which top players apart from Nadal have "dominated" the season? Berdych and Soderling are third and fourth in the race respectively, and they've lost to plenty of lower ranked players. I don't even need to mention Murray or Djokovic. This is what you were asking for, wasn't it?

It seems what you really want is the top players to play to their potential, and meet each other, and have great matches. Well to get that, then they're going to have to stay past the early rounds. If Nadal had lost to Kohlschreiber today then we wouldn't have a Nadal-Murray semi. Which is more exciting, a Kohlschreiber-Murray semi, or a Nadal-Murray semi? (Well, I guess I already know your answer anyway; but I mean for the majority of fans). I think what would be best for tennis would be the return of the "big 4"; And that includes Nadal.

What your missing is consider everyone in the top 50 a top player. Wawrinka and Kohlshreiber both have the talent to be top ten, and probably have more raw talent than Nadal, so watching them choke time after time in the face of the same Nadull mind-numbing tactics is bad for tennis. Maybe expecting players like Gulbis, Wawa, Kohli, Gasquet, Cilic, Tsonga, etc to not choke every single time they play Nadal is too much, but this year even the top 5 have been playing like crap. My ideal tennis world is one where people actually play to their potential and Murray yesterday/Nadal today are punished for their awful play. It just so happens that Nadal, through gamesmanship, moonballing, and vamosing tries to get his opponents to lose by choking rather than him winning, but that's a seperate thread :wavey:

The Magician
08-13-2010, 11:48 PM
Fed was the beneficiary of much of this choking that so often disgusts you, and leads to you spewing your utter drivel all over the forum, to capture the RG/W double last year. Disgusting double standards.

The difference is Fed tries to actively win against an opponent playing well, rather than bring down their level. Nadal against Petz this year at Wimby, for example, used every available method including on court caoching to bring down his opponent and not lose the match (rather than win) and it worked. He won the event, so that is a way to play the game, but I'm not a fan of that and all it does is bring down tennis as a whole. Nadal may be the king of the tennis world, but thanks to him it is a world crumbling around him.

Sapeod
08-13-2010, 11:54 PM
Kohli, you almost had it!!

Sad result.
Nadull probably faked injury or something to disrupt Kohli.
Wouldn't be surprised if he did tbh.

Ben.
08-14-2010, 12:02 AM
The difference is Fed tries to actively win against an opponent playing well, rather than bring down their level. Nadal against Petz this year at Wimby, for example, used every available method including on court caoching to bring down his opponent and not lose the match (rather than win) and it worked. He won the event, so that is a way to play the game, but I'm not a fan of that and all it does is bring down tennis as a whole. Nadal may be the king of the tennis world, but thanks to him it is a world crumbling around him.

The problem is you are an idiot, who also happens to a blind fan boy. You see everything through your Fed-specs. This wouldn't be a problem, excpept you do your best to flood every thread with it. I've never read an unbiased post from you. You have a stock pile of the same posts and you just parrot them over and over, mug era, moonballer, etc, etc. Everyone knows what you will say before you say it.

Also you seem to think every time a player gets tight, or doesn't take a bp, it's a choke. A choke is when a player's level drops significantly and he gives up a significant lead to lose a match.

Singularity
08-14-2010, 12:10 AM
What your missing is consider everyone in the top 50 a top player. Wawrinka and Kohlshreiber both have the talent to be top ten, and probably have more raw talent than Nadal, so watching them choke time after time in the face of the same Nadull mind-numbing tactics is bad for tennis. Maybe expecting players like Gulbis, Wawa, Kohli, Gasquet, Cilic, Tsonga, etc to not choke every single time they play Nadal is too much, but this year even the top 5 have been playing like crap. My ideal tennis world is one where people actually play to their potential and Murray yesterday/Nadal today are punished for their awful play. It just so happens that Nadal, through gamesmanship, moonballing, and vamosing tries to get his opponents to lose by choking rather than him winning, but that's a seperate thread :wavey:
When Kohlschreiber and Wawkrinka can play at a consistently high level, then they can get to top 10. And when they reach that point, they'll be able to have consistently great matches with top players. But right now, a victory over a top 5 player will just leave a hole in the draw.

His performance today not withstanding, Nadal is far more likely to take it to Murray than Kohlschreiber is. So we'll get a better match. That's what counts I think.

christallh24
08-14-2010, 12:14 AM
Just finished watching. Well, that was shit. Eh.:shrug: At least Rafa defended his semi-final points. But he's going to leave this tournament double-bageled and a bad taste in his mouth if he plays like he did today.

Like in his matches against Fed in Rg or Wimby 2008? Or like in the three succesive butcherings of Sod, Murray and Berdych that closed his 2010 WB win? If you really think Nadal's play is one-dimensional or based on moonballing, I wonder on what grounds you consider yourself a tennis expert...

Niiiiiiiiice! :worship:

I think it sucks Murray plays poorly in them even though I was happy Federer won.

Well, there we have it, ladies and gentlemen.

but 99% of Nadal fans just want him to win so they can feel accomplished.

:rolls: Uh-huh. Which fanbase is so quick to flash and gloat about 16------------->8. Get the fuck out. No fanbase is without their jackasses.

Is Wawrinka's terrible choke yesterday and Kohli's collapse in the 3rd today really how you want Nadal to win what is supposed to be in theory a difficult event to win?

Okay, can you seriously say that Roger hasn't had his fair share from a choking and deferential opponent? Really?

Berdych AO '09, anyone? Two sets to love?

Actually what's happening is the top players are playing like crap but they still win, so all the matches suck.

Yes. This is why we see you bitching out Roger for his sucky play instead of the players that dared to "step up" against him.

no one is stepping up and actually winning the big events and instead Nadal is collecting them all simply by being there when the inevitable choke comes :o.

And there lays the bugaboo that crawled up your ass. It's only because it's Rafa that was winning that you eat and shit lemons. It was the golden age of tennis in your opinion when Roger was winning. :rolleyes:

The year has been boring and filled with classic chokers like Berdych, Soderling, Nalbandian, being the best hopes for excitement. If Nadal being out of the game is what it takes, than so be it. I'm just stating the facts :wavey:

I saw no choke when Robin beat Roger at RG. I saw no choke when Tomas beat Roger and Wimbledon. And Andy never allowed Nalby to get in a position to choke. Bottomline here; as long as your favorite wins, the other player didn't choke. Now, why don't you go away and choke on the bullshit you post. If Rafa does lose tomorrow, you're going to be singing a hypocritical tune anyway. :wavey:

Singularity
08-14-2010, 12:18 AM
Just finished watching. Well, that was shit. Eh.:shrug: At least Rafa defended his semi-final points.
He lost in the quarters last year.

christallh24
08-14-2010, 12:26 AM
He lost in the quarters last year.

Oh, yes, that's right. Thanks! It was his first event back, wasn't it?

Singularity
08-14-2010, 12:28 AM
You're the Nadal fan; you should know :p Yes, I believe it was.

tennishero
08-14-2010, 12:57 AM
this is why kohli is ranked were he is and has been for many years. just too inconsistent and mentally weak to compete with the top players.

Guy Haines
08-14-2010, 01:30 AM
At 5-3, Kohi showed how vulnerable Nadal's forward movement is and one-dimensional gameplan to dropshots. Too bad Kohli could only do it when he didn't care anymore and was out of the match. The next game he went back to shanking the ball on important points, and Nadal will continue to get away with one-dimensional moonball tactics :rolleyes:

THIS (www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfrUVH6MBwk&feature=player_embedded) is moonballing. Sparta caliber, from two players with a better grasp of tennis court angles than Santoro.

DfrUVH6MBwk&

The Magician
08-14-2010, 03:09 AM
THIS (www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfrUVH6MBwk&feature=player_embedded) is moonballing. Sparta caliber, from two players with a better grasp of tennis court angles than Santoro.

DfrUVH6MBwk&

:haha: this looks like the old people who play on the court near my house who's bones are too brittle to hit through the ball. and these are supposed to be 2 of the best women's players of all time :lol::o

Obviously Nadal isn't this bad but I don't think it's a coincidence many of the Nadal fans on this board are also WTA fans, while the large majority of Fed fans laugh at it. It just comes down to whether you like tennis or Nadal.

ps. Comparing Santoro the legend to those clowns? that's a really low blow :mad:

careergrandslam
08-14-2010, 03:38 AM
Last year there were quite a few legendary matches, the emergence of a bunch of players at the highest level, great stories like toppling the RG king and Roger becoming the GOAT, etc. The year has been boring and filled with classic chokers like Berdych, Soderling, Nalbandian, being the best hopes for excitement. If Nadal being out of the game is what it takes, than so be it. I'm just stating the facts :wavey:

wishing injury on a player is a disgusting thing to do.
u say something like that again and i will report u.
that is just not on.

The Magician
08-14-2010, 03:43 AM
wishing injury on a player is a disgusting thing to do.
u say something like that again and i will report u.
that is just not on.

That's not what I meant don't be so paranoid :o I simply was talking about the excitement of the Wimbledon and USO finals in the absence of Nadal, as much as I dislike Nadal's game he seems like a nice enough person and I wouldn't wish bad things on him or anyone else :wavey:

Arkulari
08-14-2010, 03:53 AM
there is a thin line between personal preferences and outright bias and you have crossed it, TM

if Rafa was such a unidimensional mug as you call it then he would have never won anything outside of clay regardless of surface, does he do better in slower court? of course, same as Roger does better in faster courts, it's more suited to each of their styles :shrug:

FYI: Rafa hasn't really moonballed in quite a long time, in fact he's hitting flatter nowadays in and outside of clay, what's the difference? he's serving better, has learned to finish points more quickly and has an undeniable mental advantage over the whole tour which as you know it's a huge aspect of the game

You don't like Rafa? perfect, no one has to like every player, just don't try do diminish his hard earned accomplishments because his playing style doesn't suit to your tastes, that's as bad as when the idiotic Rafatards that call Roger a pussy or a weak ballerina or stuff like that

The Magician
08-14-2010, 04:04 AM
there is a thin line between personal preferences and outright bias and you have crossed it, TM

if Rafa was such a unidimensional mug as you call it then he would have never won anything outside of clay regardless of surface, does he do better in slower court? of course, same as Roger does better in faster courts, it's more suited to each of their styles :shrug:

FYI: Rafa hasn't really moonballed in quite a long time, in fact he's hitting flatter nowadays in and outside of clay, what's the difference? he's serving better, has learned to finish points more quickly and has an undeniable mental advantage over the whole tour which as you know it's a huge aspect of the game

You don't like Rafa? perfect, no one has to like every player, just don't try do diminish his hard earned accomplishments because his playing style doesn't suit to your tastes, that's as bad as when the idiotic Rafatards that call Roger a pussy or a weak ballerina or stuff like that

This match was typical Nadal rusty at the beginning of the HC season and Kohli choking as he inevitably will, but the Wawrinka match was shocking. I don't think I've ever seen moonballing and pushing that bad from Nadal ever :eek: Wish I had highlights of that tiebreak to show some of those balls 20 ft in the air. Sometimes Nadal seems to be trying to change his style as you say, but it seems to have gone all away and watching him win playing that way (and with a joke draw tbh) is frustrating for a non-fan.

Hey I found it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR-u5aorZDw Watch the point at the end at 5-6 specifically, that's not tennis :o Watching the second part, almost every return is 10 ft over the net minimum and half the shots are just aimless floaters.

Arkulari
08-14-2010, 04:14 AM
you should have seen Rafa in 2003 at the Segovia CH :lol:
now THAT was moonballing, worse than the vid shown above, he's getting better with time ;)

Serenidad
08-14-2010, 04:19 AM
Nadal is gonna get it. Future 2010 US Open Champ. :rolleyes:

Ariel
08-14-2010, 05:07 AM
THIS (www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfrUVH6MBwk&feature=player_embedded) is moonballing. Sparta caliber, from two players with a better grasp of tennis court angles than Santoro.

DfrUVH6MBwk&

Thanks for the trip down memory lane. Those were the days. But let's face it - you did post some very ridiculously "unique" points- it's hard to believe that Seles was involved in any exchanges like that. It's not how I remember her. But back to the point: No one ever said that Rafa plays beautiful classic tennis. He sweats every point and it's evident. Just today, the announcers reiterated that Nadal does what it takes to win. All you people whining over his "moonballing". :) When the dust clears, he's hoisting the trophy. And ultimately, that's what history remembers.

Eden
08-14-2010, 05:43 AM
Didn't expected Phillipp to make the match that close. He had 87% first serves in the first set and Rafa didn't played well in that set, but it was no surprise that Rafa raised his level whilst Kohli couldn't keep up with his one.
Rafa had chances to break the German earlier in the 3rd set already, who on the other hand missed to take his opportunities as well.

Rafa's form in this match won't be an indicator how he is going to play against Murray. Rafa is always able to raise his level, even when he is down a set.

Jimbolero
08-14-2010, 12:30 PM
Kohl has always been a threat to a lot of players and will always be, but I'm afraid he won't have the carreer that he deserves with such a potential...:help: He plays excellent matches here and there, but i have to say consistency is so not his main asset. Anyway, good job Rafa :)He started the tourament a bit rusty but I sense he's stepping his level up as the tournament proceeds :)
Anyway,Raafa, what's wrong with you? That shirt?? That pink??:help::help:

born_on_clay
08-14-2010, 02:53 PM
Rafa's express on his way to the title :devil: