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WWW Toronto QF? Murray or Nalbandian.

Serenidad
08-12-2010, 09:26 PM
Assured of some good quality tennis here.

solowyn
08-12-2010, 09:28 PM
Nalbandian in 40mins?

Certinfy
08-12-2010, 09:28 PM
Brands will win.

The Magician
08-12-2010, 09:28 PM
Nalbandian to hand out some bakery products :cool:

Serenidad
08-12-2010, 09:29 PM
Brands will win.

Brands is always the winner.

Pirata.
08-12-2010, 09:32 PM
Nalbandian to hand out some bakery products :cool:

:yeah:

Bye Andrew :wavey:

_Chaz
08-12-2010, 09:33 PM
Maybe Murray gets a few games but nothing more.

Filo V.
08-12-2010, 09:33 PM
Depends on how many errors David makes. I don't even know if Murray has the game to force errors from David, though. He's not forceful with his shots enough like Nole or Rafa. David should eat his pushing for breakfast but if he plays like he did in set one today v. Soderling, it could be interesting.

ApproachShot
08-12-2010, 09:34 PM
I can only hope for Nalbandian that he can sustain his level of play but I'm not so sure - remember that it is the 9th match he has played and won in the last 12 days. If both he and Murray bring their best then this could be a great match. Certainly Murray can't afford to have any lapses like he did against Monfils earlier today.

It will be important for Murray to land a high percentage of first serves as his second serve will punished if Nalbandian returns the way he did in the third set against Soderling.

dodo
08-12-2010, 09:35 PM
just hoping David can keep it going. its been a treat so far.

tealeaves
08-12-2010, 09:36 PM
Nalbandian 46 64 60

philosophicalarf
08-12-2010, 09:37 PM
Brands is always the winner.

Everybody on the Brandwagon!

OldSilentHill
08-12-2010, 09:40 PM
Can´t see Murray winning a single set.

Nalby in 2, something like 7-6 6-3.

Serenidad
08-12-2010, 09:40 PM
Everybody on the Brandwagon!

Very good. You're learning. :smooch:

Certinfy
08-12-2010, 09:41 PM
You really should of added an option for Brands in the poll. :yeah:

Goget
08-12-2010, 09:45 PM
FitDave in 2

OldSilentHill
08-12-2010, 09:47 PM
Brands is always the winner.

Sorry for the ignorance, but I lost the Brands thing. Who or what is it?

Dont hit me pls! :angel:

Stephan
08-12-2010, 09:48 PM
Come to Papa, Muza :)

Serenidad
08-12-2010, 09:49 PM
You really should of added an option for Brands in the poll. :yeah:

Too obvious me thinks.

Serenidad
08-12-2010, 09:50 PM
Sorry for the ignorance, but I lost the Brands thing. Who or what is it?

Dont hit me pls! :angel:

German tennis player Daniel Fabian Brands, The Future

ApproachShot
08-12-2010, 09:51 PM
Serinidad, you certainly are doing your bit to ensure that the Brandwagon's wheels outlasts those of the Nalbandwagon.

syc23
08-12-2010, 09:56 PM
Makes me laugh you're all kissing Nalbandian's ass all of a sudden. Fucking bunch of muppets you all are hailing him as the king.

He's not even won 1 slam, never mind 16.

Fucking shameful.

Stephan
08-12-2010, 10:12 PM
Makes me laugh you're all kissing Nalbandian's ass all of a sudden. Fucking bunch of muppets you all are hailing him as the king.

He's not even won 1 slam, never mind 16.

Fucking shameful.

&n whose ass you are kissing?
Muza's? :haha:
look, nobody thinks that he is able to win in 2...:)

scoobs
08-12-2010, 10:16 PM
On current form, no way in hell Murray wins this :o

Singularity
08-12-2010, 10:16 PM
Brands wins even when he's not playing.

Clydey
08-12-2010, 10:21 PM
Nalby. Andy won't get aay with mental lapses like that against fit Dave.

DrJules
08-12-2010, 10:27 PM
The Nalbanwagon continues rolling on MTF.

Actually giving edge to Murray, but very much a 50-50 match.

philosophicalarf
08-12-2010, 10:31 PM
Murray was pretty sharp right at the start today, just lost his head a bit. I suspect he might start the same against Nalby.

Nalby should have lost to Ferrer really, got very frustrated and was spraying millions of errors - lucky Ferrer blew it badly. Also expecting periods of that against Murray.

That then seems to make 3 sets likely.....can Nalby survive another of those, with lengthy rallies?

scoobs
08-12-2010, 10:34 PM
Murray's best chance is if Fat Dave runs out of gas.

Clydey
08-12-2010, 10:36 PM
The Nalbanwagon continues rolling on MTF.

Actually giving edge to Murray, but very much a 50-50 match.

My opinion has more to do with Murray than it does Nalbandian. The degree to which Murray's form fluctuates is astonishing. He's the better player and should win, but I don't think he will. Also, I think Dave will destroy Murray's second serve.

Filo V.
08-12-2010, 10:37 PM
Murray is the better player? Um..........................................that's a pretty strong comment, Clydey.

Clydey
08-12-2010, 10:39 PM
Murray is the better player? Um..........................................that's a pretty strong comment, Clydey.

It's a pretty obvious statement. He's 23 and has done more than Dave has in his entire career.

Geo
08-12-2010, 10:41 PM
Nalbandian will obliterate Murray :worship:

tyruk14
08-12-2010, 10:43 PM
Come this time tomorrow, Sunset Vista will not be a happy bunny.

ORGASMATRON
08-12-2010, 10:45 PM
this is where murrays tournament ends :bigwave:

OldSilentHill
08-12-2010, 10:47 PM
Makes me laugh you're all kissing Nalbandian's ass all of a sudden. Fucking bunch of muppets you all are hailing him as the king.

He's not even won 1 slam, never mind 16.

Fucking shameful.


How cant you love a player that has the ability to play such a wonderful tennis when he takes the sport serious?

And is so special. Like someone said years ago here, "the error in the matrix".

He can beat all the top 20 players and make them get pregned, but he faces a +80 ranking player and he doesnt put any passion.

This guy was made for epic games, not ordinary matches.

FlavorNuts
08-12-2010, 10:50 PM
My opinion has more to do with Murray than it does Nalbandian. The degree to which Murray's form fluctuates is astonishing. He's the better player and should win, but I don't think he will. Also, I think Dave will destroy Murray's second serve.Nalbandian shows more skill with a tennis racquet in a single match than Murray does in an entire year. The only reason Murray can stay in rallies with the top players is because of his athleticism. He's a lightweight pusher.

allpro
08-12-2010, 10:53 PM
6-4, 6-3 nably

Fed=ATPTourkilla
08-12-2010, 10:53 PM
The only glitch in Dave's game at the moment is his serve. Two games of DFs today and it's not the first time this week he's been so generous.

Manequin75
08-12-2010, 10:54 PM
Murray is gonna have a tough match on his hands against a guy who has been returning insanely well and has all the momentum on his side. I am surprised the poll is so lopsided 80%+ for David Nalbandian. Murray surely has a chance if he serves well. And David might be close to running out of gas who knows.

Clydey
08-12-2010, 10:54 PM
Nalbandian shows more craft with a tennis racquet in a single match than Murray does in an entire year. The only reason Murray can stay in rallies with Nalbandian is because of his athleticism. He's a lightweight pusher.

Yeah, Murray isn't known for his court craft.

Murray has eclipsed Nalbandian's achievements by the age of 23. I'm a huge Nalbandian fan, but some of you people need to get off his nuts whenever he strings a few matches together.

Fed=ATPTourkilla
08-12-2010, 10:55 PM
How cant you love a player that has the ability to play such a wonderful tennis when he takes the sport serious?

And is so special. Like someone said years ago here, "the error in the matrix".

He can beat all the top 20 players and make them get pregned, but he faces a +80 ranking player and he doesnt put any passion.

This guy was made for epic games, not ordinary matches.

David wasn't 'the error in the matrix' in 2005/06 - he was consistently world number 3 for a while behind Fedal. Somewhere along the line it went wrong, though. I wonder how his career would have turned out if he'd beaten Roddick in the 2003 USO.

ORGASMATRON
08-12-2010, 10:58 PM
Yeah, Murray isn't known for his court craft.

Murray has eclipsed Nalbandian's achievements by the age of 23. I'm a huge Nalbandian fan, but some of you people need to get off his nuts whenever he strings a few matches together.

the only thing that dave is better at than murray is their best tennis. also hes about 100x better to watch when he plays well. when he plays like shit hes extremely frustrating to watch.

guga2120
08-12-2010, 10:59 PM
Andy in 3.

Mlad
08-12-2010, 11:01 PM
David in straights

Clydey
08-12-2010, 11:02 PM
the only thing that dave is better at than murray is their best tennis. also hes about 100x better to watch when he plays well. when he plays like shit hes extremely frustrating to watch.

That is something that can easily be debated. "Best tennis" is an indefinable concept.

As far as who is better to watch, I wouldn't necessarily disagree with you. Nalby is my favourite player to watch when he's on form.

Mario000
08-12-2010, 11:10 PM
Makes me laugh you're all kissing Nalbandian's ass all of a sudden. Fucking bunch of muppets you all are hailing him as the king.

He's not even won 1 slam, never mind 16.

Fucking shameful.

and Murray won...?

Persimmon
08-12-2010, 11:11 PM
Nalbandian in 2.

latso
08-12-2010, 11:13 PM
Has to be Nalbi again, in 3 again

Not an easy match, but the guy ows such pushers and Muzza is yet to get a hand against him

Clydey
08-12-2010, 11:14 PM
It actually might be in Andy's best interests to forget about the flat serve for this match. He'll miss more than he lands and Dave will tee off on the second serve. Murray would be better off putting in 3/4 pace sliders.

chazz
08-12-2010, 11:17 PM
fat dave must of done a lot of work if he's carrys on going like this, earlier this year he ran out of gas against nadal after 1 set, and he had only played a few matches prior

LucasArg
08-12-2010, 11:17 PM
It's a pretty obvious statement. He's 23 and has done more than Dave has in his entire career.

David has won a bigger title.

latso
08-12-2010, 11:19 PM
fat dave must of done a lot of work if he's carrys on going like this, earlier this year he ran out of gas against nadal after 1 set, and he had only played a few matches prior
might have done even better if different draw earlier, no?

Maybe if Rafa was his 12th match, would have been the same as now

but he looks fit enough atm, no doubt

Clydey
08-12-2010, 11:20 PM
David has won a bigger title.

I'd say Murray's 2 extra MS shields make up for that. We're also comparing a player just coming into his prime and a player coming to the end of his career.

latso
08-12-2010, 11:23 PM
I'd say Murray's 2 extra MS shields make up for that. We're also comparing a player just coming into his prime and a player coming to the end of his career.
honestly, even if Muzza aligns a couple of the big tropheys, i will have Nalbandian as a much better player in my mind forever

Just because with all those fitness/injuries problems, it leaves an open door for speculations - what if..? :)

And also coz Murray will never play as good as Nalbandian. Maybe more effective at times, but never as good

Ibracadabra
08-12-2010, 11:25 PM
Sorry clydey but nalbandian has won a tournament larger than a master series where as murray hasn't. So how do you comphrehend he's eclisped his career? Nalbandian hadn't applied himself for the majority of his career unlike murray. Nalbandian is certainly the better player and much more naturally talented than murray.

tennishero
08-12-2010, 11:25 PM
My opinion has more to do with Murray than it does Nalbandian. The degree to which Murray's form fluctuates is astonishing. He's the better player and should win, but I don't think he will. Also, I think Dave will destroy Murray's second serve.

come back to me when murray learns to play on clay, learns to hit a winner, beats federer in a slam, or beats nalbandian for that matter.

nalbandian is leagues above the pusher.

Clydey
08-12-2010, 11:29 PM
Sorry clydey but nalbandian has won a tournament larger than a master series where as murray hasn't. So how do you comphrehend he's eclisped his career? Nalbandian hadn't applied himself for the majority of his career unlike murray. Nalbandian is certainly the better player and much more naturally talented than murray.

Sorry, but one YEC win doesn't make up for everything else. And like I said, Nalbandian has been on tour a lot longer. There's no question who will have had the more successful career when all is said and done.

Roddickominator
08-12-2010, 11:30 PM
I expect a WTA-style match with lots of errors and breaks of serve. I think Nalby wins in 3.

Clydey
08-12-2010, 11:31 PM
come back to me when murray learns to play on clay, learns to hit a winner, beats federer in a slam, or beats nalbandian for that matter.

nalbandian is leagues above the pusher.

Then why has he achieved less?

Murray and Nalby have played one meaningful match. It's a touch desperate to reference their 2005 Wimbledon match. Nalbandian got outclassed for 2 sets by a green Murray and had to rely on Andy running out of gas.

LucasArg
08-12-2010, 11:32 PM
Sorry, but one YEC win doesn't make up for everything else. And like I said, Nalbandian has been on tour a lot longer. There's no question who will have had the more successful career when all is said and done.

Both will end slamless.

OldSilentHill
08-12-2010, 11:33 PM
Murray cant dream of having the talent Nalbandian has, not even at videogames.

Ibracadabra
08-12-2010, 11:33 PM
In my opinion both will end their careers slamless, unless murray wins a year end championship, king david will of had a superior career.

Clydey
08-12-2010, 11:34 PM
Both will end slamless.

One certainly will. The other still has many more years ahead of him.

tennishero
08-12-2010, 11:38 PM
Then why has he achieved less?

Murray and Nalby have played one meaningful match. It's a touch desperate to reference their 2005 Wimbledon match. Nalbandian got outclassed for 2 sets by a green Murray and had to rely on Andy running out of gas.

were not talking about achievements, we are talking about the better player.

in either case Nalbandian wins.

TMC 05 > Masters.

Nalbandian still has some good slam runs in him.

Clydey
08-12-2010, 11:41 PM
were not talking about achievements, we are talking about the better player.

in either case Nalbandian wins.

TMC 05 > Masters.

Nalbandian still has some good slam runs in him.

One TMC doesn't make up for everything else.

When a 23-year-old eclipses the achievements of a 29-year-old, it's fair to say that the former is a better player.

Ibracadabra
08-12-2010, 11:44 PM
King david is 28. Murray is past his peak anyhow.

LucasArg
08-12-2010, 11:45 PM
One certainly will. The other still has many more years ahead of him.

I don't think David will be playing those many years.

Clydey
08-12-2010, 11:47 PM
I don't think David will be playing those many years.

Touché.

OldSilentHill
08-12-2010, 11:51 PM
One TMC doesn't make up for everything else.

When a 23-year-old eclipses the achievements of a 29-year-old, it's fair to say that the former is a better player.


What´s an "eclipse" to you? I´m just curious.

And more important, what´s "fair" to you??

And another one for the same price: what means "better tennis" to you?



I´m wondering if people here are just wasting their time with you.

Stephan
08-12-2010, 11:53 PM
Common David,
Show us good play & win this tournament :):):)
yes, first this tournament, and then USO

Clydey
08-12-2010, 11:57 PM
What´s an "eclipse" to you? I´m just curious.

Achieves more.

And more important, what´s "fair" to you??

The same as it is to everyone else.

And another one for the same price: what means "better tennis" to you?

It's an indefinable concept. I could say that Soderling's best tennis is better than Federer's, but it would be meaningless. No one can define what "best tennis" means.

I´m wondering if people here are just wasting their time with you.

That's rich, coming from a dude who is trying to use the achievements of a 28-year-old to prove that he's better than a 23-year-old. You can debate the worth of a YEC, but there will be no room for debate by the time both careers are over.

bad gambler
08-12-2010, 11:57 PM
People still waiting for Nalbandian to run out of gas. Seems pretty fit to me these days

Ibracadabra
08-13-2010, 12:02 AM
Nalbandian has won more tournaments than murray this season. Go figure.

Clydey
08-13-2010, 12:03 AM
Nalbandian has won more tournaments than murray this season. Go figure.

Despite that, Murray has won more titles than Nalbandian has in his entire career. Go figure.

Sonja1989
08-13-2010, 12:07 AM
I think Nalby is tired. Andy will win.

bavaria100
08-13-2010, 12:09 AM
I don't have any opinion on the Nalbandian-Murray discussion that's going on right now but if let's say Murray wins 10 TMS in his life and neither he nor Nalbandian win a slam, Nalbandian will have had the superior career?

As for the match I think Nalbandian is going to win. Murray's simply out of form this season.

cocrcici
08-13-2010, 12:12 AM
Andy will win.:bigwave:

Clydey
08-13-2010, 12:13 AM
I don't have any opinion on the Nalbandian-Murray discussion that's going on right now but if let's say Murray wins 10 TMS in his life and neither he nor Nalbandian win a slam, Nalbandian will have had the superior career?


That seems to be the logic. Bunch of geniuses on MTF.

Stephan
08-13-2010, 12:13 AM
I think Muza is not so talented,
David will beat him :p

he demonstrated it twice
:wavey::wavey::wavey:

ORGASMATRON
08-13-2010, 12:19 AM
That is something that can easily be debated. "Best tennis" is an indefinable concept.

As far as who is better to watch, I wouldn't necessarily disagree with you. Nalby is my favourite player to watch when he's on form.

murray cant do what dave did in 2007 when he schooled both roger and nadal and won successive MS events. its not an indefinable concept. it just means that when dave is at his best he is better then murray.

philosophicalarf
08-13-2010, 12:22 AM
It actually might be in Andy's best interests to forget about the flat serve for this match. He'll miss more than he lands and Dave will tee off on the second serve. Murray would be better off putting in 3/4 pace sliders.

I think that's quite likely - usually his tactics against the poor returners, but possibly a good idea here. As long as he keeps the error count low and depth ok, he'll do at least as well on serve as Nalbandian does (Murray will get everything back, after all).


One thing though, heard Murray limped off court. Didn't see it myself, anyone?

Ibracadabra
08-13-2010, 12:22 AM
Murrays fans somehow believes he comes close to david in pure tennis ability. Take away murrays movement and he'd never have won a challenger.

Clydey
08-13-2010, 12:23 AM
murray cant do what dave did in 2007 when he schooled both roger and nadal and won successive MS events. its not an indefinable concept. it just means that when dave is at his best he is better then murray.

Murray did win back to back Masters. And since when is it an achievement to beat Nadal indoors?

It is an indefinable concept. Go on then, define what "best tennis" is.

Clydey
08-13-2010, 12:27 AM
Murrays fans somehow believes he comes close to david in pure tennis ability. Take away murrays movement and he'd never have won a challenger.

Yep, that's all you need in tennis: movement. Usain Bolt could make it to world number 4 if he picked up a racquet.

ORGASMATRON
08-13-2010, 12:29 AM
Murray did win back to back Masters. And since when is it an achievement to beat Nadal indoors?

It is an indefinable concept. Go on then, define what "best tennis" is.

murray doesnt have the ability to blow people off the court like fit dave has. when dave is on he makes the game look like child play. murray must use ugly tennis and gamesmanship to win.

green25814
08-13-2010, 12:29 AM
Murrays fans somehow believes he comes close to david in pure tennis ability. Take away murrays movement and he'd never have won a challenger.

I think you are confusing Murray with a certain Spaniard.

Smoke944
08-13-2010, 12:30 AM
Murray did win back to back Masters. And since when is it an achievement to beat Nadal indoors?

It is an indefinable concept. Go on then, define what "best tennis" is.

Stop thinking logically. There is no place for such behavior on MTF :cuckoo:

Stephan
08-13-2010, 12:31 AM
oh god,
about 80% of fans are for David :)

green25814
08-13-2010, 12:31 AM
murray doesnt have the ability to blow people off the court like fit dave has. when dave is on he makes the game look like child play. murray must use ugly tennis and gamesmanship to win.

When does Murray use 'gamesmanship'? Grit, determination and tactical play count as talents just like everything else. I love Nalby, and expect him to win this, but people need to give Muz more credit.

Clydey
08-13-2010, 12:32 AM
Stop thinking logically. There is no place for such behavior on MTF :cuckoo:

I'll try to be less rational in future. ;)

ORGASMATRON
08-13-2010, 12:33 AM
When does Murray use 'gamesmanship'? Grit, determination and tactical play count as talents just like everything else. I love Nalby, and expect him to win this, but people need to give Muz more credit.

you must be joking. murray and his 'mons' is just about the most amaturish thing on the ATP tour.

green25814
08-13-2010, 12:35 AM
you must be joking. murray and his 'mons' is just about the most amaturish thing on the ATP tour.

Thats not gamesmanship. He's a just a competitor who gets passionate about his game. :shrug:

Gamesmanship is faking an injury etc.

ORGASMATRON
08-13-2010, 12:38 AM
Thats not gamesmanship. He's a just a competitor who gets passionate about his game. :shrug:

Gamesmanship is faking an injury etc.

of course.

Ibracadabra
08-13-2010, 12:39 AM
Murrays "come on" on double faults are passionate no?

green25814
08-13-2010, 12:40 AM
of course.

If someone puts you off your game by shouting 'cmon on', you shouldn't be playing pro-sport.

What are you people, little girls?

coonster14
08-13-2010, 12:41 AM
I am hoping it will be a match similar to this:

SVh3thmQjcw

in other words, GO NALBY!!!

Stephan
08-13-2010, 12:44 AM
no change,
about 80% of fans are for David :)

tennishero
08-13-2010, 12:48 AM
I am hoping it will be a match similar to this:

SVh3thmQjcw

in other words, GO NALBY!!!

lol murray was humiliated.

Schu
08-13-2010, 12:48 AM
Yeah, Murray isn't known for his court craft.

Murray has eclipsed Nalbandian's achievements by the age of 23. I'm a huge Nalbandian fan, but some of you people need to get off his nuts whenever he strings a few matches together.

Just how has Murray eclipsed Nalandian's achievements already? YOu might have forgotten but Nalby was a GS finalist, won a TMS, been ranked as high as #3 and was a consistent top 10 player for something like 6-8 years (don't know how many but it was a LONG time) - seems pretty similar except Murray can't claim a string of years in the Top 10 yet.

As for tomorrow both Nalby and Murray need to eliminate those lapses. If both play well I give Nalby the edge cuz no doubt at some point during the match Murray will play the pusher and Nalby will eat him up. However I wonder how much more Dave has in his tank. I hope enough to send Murray home in 2 quick ones.

Johnny Groove
08-13-2010, 12:49 AM
Nalbandian will eat Murray's 2nd serve for breakfast.

Stephan
08-13-2010, 12:55 AM
I am hoping it will be a match similar to this:

SVh3thmQjcw

in other words, GO NALBY!!!
very nice one :)
specially last Dave's shot there ;)

ORGASMATRON
08-13-2010, 01:03 AM
I am hoping it will be a match similar to this:

SVh3thmQjcw

in other words, GO NALBY!!!

thanks coonster this is what im talking about. no amount of pushing and running down balls is going to deny dave when hes playing well. murray cant come close to this level. awesome match point as dave literally got murray down and out lol.

Sophocles
08-13-2010, 01:04 AM
This thread is getting a touch ridiculous. Who will win the match? Nalbandian. In better form and has the match-up advantage. Who's the better player? Murray has more titles at 23 than Nalby at 29 plus Murray has been in 2 slam finals in which he was soundly beaten by Roger Federer - whereas Nalbandian has been in 1 slam final in which he was absolutely thrashed shitless by Lleyton Hewitt.

Joolz
08-13-2010, 01:10 AM
Nalbandian is 28.

And I don't see what lost Slam finals, TMS and TMC titles, or hypothetic achievements in the future have to do with this match.

ORGASMATRON
08-13-2010, 01:13 AM
This thread is getting a touch ridiculous. Who will win the match? Nalbandian. In better form and has the match-up advantage. Who's the better player? Murray has more titles at 23 than Nalby at 29 plus Murray has been in 2 slam finals in which he was soundly beaten by Roger Federer - whereas Nalbandian has been in 1 slam final in which he was absolutely thrashed shitless by Lleyton Hewitt.

i dont think anyone is saying that dave is a better player. we're just saying when dave is playing his best he is better than murray and its not even close.

Sophocles
08-13-2010, 01:31 AM
i dont think anyone is saying that dave is a better player. we're just saying when dave is playing his best he is better than murray and its not even close.

I thought people had been saying that, but if I'm wrong, so be it. Perhaps Nalbandian's best tennis is better than Murray's, but it's hardly obvious. Murray has also beaten all the world's top players several times, sometimes in spectacular fashion, e.g. Nadal at A.O. 10, U.S.O. 08, Federer at T.M.C. 08.

Ibracadabra
08-13-2010, 01:37 AM
Nalbandian is easily the better player, unfortunately for david he was peaking in a great era of players. Murrays two finals he reached were cake draws, this austrialian open he had to beat a cripple nadull in the quarters then of all people, marin cilic in the semis lmao. If nalbandian had applied himself properly in his peak years there is no doubt in my mind he'd have been a multiple slam winner by now, but he enjoys life. Murray however trains 24/7 compared to david, which is fine. But david is by far more naturally talented.

tennishero
08-13-2010, 01:38 AM
well said ibra

ORGASMATRON
08-13-2010, 01:40 AM
I thought people had been saying that, but if I'm wrong, so be it. Perhaps Nalbandian's best tennis is better than Murray's, but it's hardly obvious. Murray has also beaten all the world's top players several times, sometimes in spectacular fashion, e.g. Nadal at A.O. 10, U.S.O. 08, Federer at T.M.C. 08.

well i dont think nadal or fed played near their best in any of those matches you mentioned. then you may as well bring up the fact that dave ***** nadal twice in a row in madrid and paris, and beat federer twice in the masters cup, including once in the final. but at least we agree that dave is better than murray when hes at his best.

Roddickominator
08-13-2010, 01:42 AM
I don't understand why people applaud Nalbandian for being a talented underachiever. To me, it is much more respectable to perform above your talent level using all of your grit and heart, than to just be amazingly talented and perform under your potential for your career.

habibko
08-13-2010, 01:44 AM
Murray's best chance is if Fat Dave runs out of gas.

this, if Nalby is fit enough he should dispose of Murray fairly easily.

Sophocles
08-13-2010, 01:44 AM
well i dont think nadal or fed played near their best in any of those matches you mentioned. then you may as well bring up the fact that dave ***** nadal twice in a row in madrid and paris, and beat federer twice in the masters cup, including once in the final. but at least we agree that dave is better than murray when hes at his best.

Eh? Nadal played superbly at the A.O. this year and so did Federer at the 2008 Masters Cup. Of course it's still arguable that Nalbandian's best tennis is better, but that's a debatable point. It is not debatable that Murray has been more successful than Nalbandian in his career already.

djb84xi
08-13-2010, 01:49 AM
Normally, I wouldn't pick Murray for the simple fact he has yet to impress me with his game, but this time I wanna pick him to beat Nalby. Sure Nalbandian's playing well right now, but for once I want Murray to step up and play the match of his life. I'm confident he can beat Nalbandian, but whether or not he himself is confident is another story. Hopefully he'll play a great match and come out on top.

ORGASMATRON
08-13-2010, 01:54 AM
Eh? Nadal played superbly at the A.O. this year and so did Federer at the 2008 Masters Cup. Of course it's still arguable that Nalbandian's best tennis is better, but that's a debatable point. It is not debatable that Murray has been more successful than Nalbandian in his career already.

federer had back problems at the MC for a fact, and nadal was still getting back to his best at the AO. as for whose better at their best, thats not up for debate anymore as far as im concerned.

habibko
08-13-2010, 01:56 AM
come back to me when murray learns to play on clay, learns to hit a winner, beats federer in a slam, or beats nalbandian for that matter.

nalbandian is leagues above the pusher.

anyone who knows the least bit about tennis and isn't blinded by fanboyism knows that for a fact, Nalbandian at his best is someone Murray can only dream of beating no matter how well he plays, and Nalby is obviously much much more talented.

Manequin75
08-13-2010, 01:57 AM
Murray will be the favorite for sure. Nalbandian has been riding an amazing streak. Ferrer gave him a tough 3 setter. Murray is better than ferrer in my opinion so Nalby winning is not a certainty ya know. I would bet money on Nalby only because of a higher payout but a murray victory would just be restoration of order in the top of the tennis world.

philosophicalarf
08-13-2010, 02:01 AM
Murray will be the favorite for sure.

Moderate underdog, 44/56 by the odds atm.

Murray has been garbage ever since the Aus, after all (Wimbledon was a slightest blip, and even there he should have been beaten by Tsonga). He showed first signs of real top class form in the opening set today, but even then look what happened in the 2nd.

Clay Death
08-13-2010, 02:02 AM
tough call. who ever is on and is willing to take some risks snatches this match.

Mechlan
08-13-2010, 02:05 AM
federer had back problems at the MC for a fact, and nadal was still getting back to his best at the AO. as for whose better at their best, thats not up for debate anymore as far as im concerned.

stop making excuses for murray's wins. i could say that nalbandian went on his great run in the fall when a lot of players were already burnt out. his greatest achievement (tmc) happened over a clearly injured federer. but that's pointless.

i think nalbandian is more talented, but i would easily take murray's (or roddick's) achievements over his. i love nalby's game, but what's the point of having such ridiculous amounts of talent and not having more to show for it?

Sophocles
08-13-2010, 02:06 AM
It never ceases to amaze me how colossally overrated Nalbandian is on MTF. He is a very good player and has talent that compares with the Top 5's, which for various reasons he has never fulfilled, but I simply don't understand why his failure to fulfil his talent and match the achievements of the Top 5 inspires the delusion that he is in fact far more talented than the Top 5.

Manequin75
08-13-2010, 02:13 AM
last time someone defeated Soderling and Murray back to back went on to win the title (Rafa at Wimbledon). Though Rafa himself in all probability will be in the way of this person.

But if Nalby beats Soderling, Murray, Rafa and Fed back to back to back to back for the title Im gonna go in a daze.

Ibracadabra
08-13-2010, 02:17 AM
If nalbandian wins the davis cup it's safe to say he has had a far better career than murray to date, but imo he already has.

Action Jackson
08-13-2010, 02:32 AM
It never ceases to amaze me how colossally overrated Nalbandian is on MTF. He is a very good player and has talent that compares with the Top 5's, which for various reasons he has never fulfilled, but I simply don't understand why his failure to fulfil his talent and match the achievements of the Top 5 inspires the delusion that he is in fact far more talented than the Top 5.

You should be far from surprised. The Nalbandwagonism is ludicrous, when he plays at his best he is more than a match for the top players this is clear enough, but the counter point is when he is off then he is poor and the vitriol when he loses, he is fat, he is shit, doesn't give a crap about the sport. Usually from the same ones that overrate him.

In reality, many people to tend to be drawn to the flawed types and in a tennis sense Nalbandian is like that in his attitude, so the wins get overrated and the reactions to the losses knee jerk at best.

Filo V.
08-13-2010, 02:40 AM
It's a pretty obvious statement. He's 23 and has done more than Dave has in his entire career.

Better player, actually it's pretty close, as there a lot of factors that make someone a great player. But better talent? No. I'm sorry, but that is something I disagree with. And Nalbandian has beaten #1 #2 and #3 at least once (twice?) in MS events, and has made the SF at all 4 majors, so it's not like his career accomplishments are that of a challenger player.

Filo V.
08-13-2010, 02:43 AM
And yes, Nalbandian is being WAY overrated right now in regards of what he has actually done on court during this win streak, what he will do throughout the rest of this event and season, and his performance into next season and making the top 5. People, this is 2 weeks of good (I'm not even going to say amazing---because it hasn't been amazing) tennis. David has done this before, and not actually backed it up for long stretches afterward. Let's not get carried away. Whenever he loses people are going to chill off of him again, and if/when he gets hurt, the same people who call him king now, will call him fat.

paseo
08-13-2010, 02:58 AM
I think you are confusing Murray with a certain Spaniard.

:lol:

Murray however trains 24/7 compared to david, which is fine. But david is by far more naturally talented.

Murray plays video games for 6-7 hours/day.

Murray is better than ferrer in my opinion

Obviously.

Murray will take this. He will grind until Nalbandian run out of gas.

Hugh Jaas
08-13-2010, 03:04 AM
You really should of added an option for Brands in the poll. :yeah:

i agree Brands fluid and natural strokes are amazing to watch, a religous experience.





MURRAY WILL DESTROY FAT DAVE. WHY?
























ADONIS 2.0

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VS


FAT DAVE


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3c273
08-13-2010, 03:09 AM
i dont think anyone is saying that dave is a better player. we're just saying when dave is playing his best he is better than murray and its not even close.

If you put like this ...... sure, when Nalby is playing his best he is better than an average Murray like he is now and not even close ...... then I can say ,when Murray is playing his best ,he is better than an average Nalby and not even close ...... however , when both are playing their best, Murray is slightly better IMO.

overall, Murray is clearly the better player and not even close, with the fact that a 23 Murray won much more titles then a 29 Nalby

Smoke944
08-13-2010, 03:09 AM
I appreciate the effort, Hugh Jaas.

adam10
08-13-2010, 03:17 AM
Murray will win.

Ibracadabra
08-13-2010, 03:19 AM
Fuck me, are people idiots here. Nalbandian isn't 29.

Sophocles
08-13-2010, 03:31 AM
Fuck me, are people idiots here. Nalbandian isn't 29.

Fuck me, in THAT case, he's clearly the greatest player of all time.

OldSilentHill
08-13-2010, 03:35 AM
Murray better player? If he got more or less the same amount of titles/awards at 23, that doesnt mean he is a better player.

I can see a lot of people confused here.

vn01
08-13-2010, 03:35 AM
Nalby in 3

Priam
08-13-2010, 03:39 AM
Dave 4-6 6-2 6-3

MalwareDie
08-13-2010, 03:47 AM
Probably Nalby in 2. Murray will really need to step it up to have a chance.

Gêmeos
08-13-2010, 05:00 AM
Brands

Nolby
08-13-2010, 05:44 AM
Makes me laugh you're all kissing Nalbandian's ass all of a sudden. Fucking bunch of muppets you all are hailing him as the king.

He's not even won 1 slam, never mind 16.

Fucking shameful.

He's on a Mission from God. :p

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Arkulari
08-13-2010, 05:46 AM
doesn't really matter since the winner of this will lose to Rafa ;)

Serenidad
08-13-2010, 05:50 AM
Brands

:bowdown:

OldSilentHill
08-13-2010, 06:02 AM
Brands

Of course, we know everything is after Brands, but we are not gone put that everytime in every thread/post :wavey:

Caralimon
08-13-2010, 06:22 AM
doesn't really matter since the winner of this will lose to Rafa ;)

Who will lose to Brands in the next round.

Arkulari
08-13-2010, 06:23 AM
yep

garytennis
08-13-2010, 07:13 AM
Nalbandian in straight sets. I want to see him against Rafa.

Nolby
08-13-2010, 07:20 AM
doesn't really matter since the winner of this will lose to Rafa ;)

Reports have been surfacing that Rafa's wisdom teeth are acting up again. :p

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careergrandslam
08-13-2010, 07:42 AM
talent is the most overrated word in world sports.
talent is about 30% of what it takes to be a great sportsman.
federer was talented but never did well in his younger days until he started to put in the hard yards and become mentally tough and disciplined.

so many sports say he is a great talent or she is a great talent but fail to live up to it.

id rather be a talentless legend than a talent that never was.

henke007
08-13-2010, 08:31 AM
I expext Murray to mug his way through this 1 and the Nalbanwagon's wheels to fall off with a tired Fat Dave. To bad Sod couldn't play his way into the tourney to take out Mugray and Nadull!!

Hope for a slight chance that i'm wrong!!

sabina_RF_lee
08-13-2010, 09:04 AM
Nalby for sure

Orka_n
08-13-2010, 10:09 AM
Nalby in 2 easy sets, unless he is too tired. Hoping he got enough rest.

ossie
08-13-2010, 10:12 AM
murrays desperately needs to find his form because this level wont cut it against nalbandian who is on fire. david in straights

born_on_clay
08-13-2010, 10:21 AM
King David in 2

Bilbo
08-13-2010, 10:28 AM
A. Murray in 3

Stephan
08-13-2010, 10:34 AM
]http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww34/mooraie/La%20buvette/Nalby/2ddabe8f.jpg

King Dave is comming, fans :wavey:
He wants 2 WIN!!! :)

~80% of you like him :wavey:

samanosuke
08-13-2010, 10:39 AM
If his stamina is OK , Nalby will teach him . But it's look to me like Nalby is almost out of gas

Stephan
08-13-2010, 10:53 AM
and Muzza is full of gas?
:haha:

samanosuke
08-13-2010, 11:16 AM
It's 10th match in 12 days for Nalbandian. Last time that he played so many matches in so short period was probably 2 years ago

enigma
08-13-2010, 12:05 PM
Murray

angry1
08-13-2010, 01:01 PM
Nalbandian is easily the better player, unfortunately for david he was peaking in a great era of players. Murrays two finals he reached were cake draws, this austrialian open he had to beat a cripple nadull in the quarters then of all people, marin cilic in the semis lmao. If nalbandian had applied himself properly in his peak years there is no doubt in my mind he'd have been a multiple slam winner by now, but he enjoys life. Murray however trains 24/7 compared to david, which is fine. But david is by far more naturally talented.

How was the greatest player ever ever ever in the q/f and Nadal in the semis a cake draw?

angry1
08-13-2010, 01:08 PM
Nalby's rightly favourite but if Murray wins it will be hilarious watching him turn into a waste of space again.Given they're both inconsistent those stating with certainty what will happen deserve to be wrong for their hubris.

Murray the more accomplished player can despite what will be said if he wins beat Nalbandian without injury or exhaustion being the only possible reasons.

He's already led a match at Wimbledon 2-0,when ranked 300+ why couldn't he win 2-1 when in the top 10?

paseo
08-13-2010, 01:12 PM
I want Murray to win here. Cause if Nalbandian wins, he's gonna be tired and Nadal is just gonna steamroll past him.

chazz
08-13-2010, 01:28 PM
btw it is 2-1 odds for nalby to win in straights, all you numptys that think murray will be destroyed should put your money where your mouth is

SaFed2005
08-13-2010, 02:21 PM
My opinion has more to do with Murray than it does Nalbandian. The degree to which Murray's form fluctuates is astonishing. He's the better player and should win, but I don't think he will. Also, I think Dave will destroy Murray's second serve.

How exactly is Murray the better player here? Sure you can say he is the more consistent player... but umm nooooo he is not the better player. :rolleyes:

SaFed2005
08-13-2010, 02:24 PM
Nalbandian shows more skill with a tennis racquet in a single match than Murray does in an entire year. The only reason Murray can stay in rallies with the top players is because of his athleticism. He's a lightweight pusher.

lol
that's pushing it just a tad bit

finn98
08-13-2010, 02:26 PM
Head - Murray
Heart - Nalby..

Dream Semi : Nadal vs Nalby....I will be ready with the popcorn

Stephan
08-13-2010, 02:49 PM
I want Murray to win here. Cause if Nalbandian wins, he's gonna be tired and Nadal is just gonna steamroll past him.

everybody will be tired there,
but David wants to win it :)

Stephan
08-13-2010, 02:51 PM
I am hoping it will be a match similar to this:

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in other words, GO NALBY!!!

"it will be a match similar to this"

We hope so ...:)
watch this highlights fans !!!
muzza is just flying there ;)

bad gambler
08-13-2010, 03:01 PM
Murray

Shirogane
08-13-2010, 03:05 PM
Dave does need to lose/rest at some point, I wouldn't mind Murray prevailing this time.

ORGASMATRON
08-13-2010, 04:55 PM
dave will win this unless hes tired from all the matches of late.

Priam
08-13-2010, 04:58 PM
Gonna start soon. 25 degree heat+70% humidity, hopefully it doesn't affect either too much.

Johnny_Bravo
08-13-2010, 04:59 PM
Andy should clinch it if fit.Seemed to me yesterday that those knees were still bothering him.

Serenidad
08-13-2010, 06:24 PM
Stick to Brands, my friends.

scoobs
08-13-2010, 06:25 PM
Another classic MTF poll :haha:

And yes, my Nalbandian vote is in there too :bolt:

Filo V.
08-13-2010, 06:29 PM
I was thinking Nalbandian, but I thought it could be an interesting match, I gave Murray decent chances, I certainly didn't expect it to be 1 and 1 like some of you. Most of you were riding right on that bandwagon, and now the wagon crashed. That pleases me, because I hate bandwagoning.

decrepitude
08-13-2010, 06:31 PM
:haha:

Well done the 7 people who guessed correctly (and if the poll ends up showing more than seven, they voted after the end!

alter ego
08-13-2010, 06:32 PM
I was thinking Nalbandian, but I thought it could be an interesting match, I gave Murray decent chances, I certainly didn't expect it to be 1 and 1 like some of you. Most of you were riding right on that bandwagon, and now the wagon crashed. That pleases me, because I hate bandwagoning.

Actually I voted Nalbandian in 2 sets because Murray just got bagled by Monfils.

Filo V.
08-13-2010, 06:37 PM
Actually I voted Nalbandian in 2 sets because Murray just got bagled by Monfils.

Yeah, but that is a different match, playing a different player, different situation, different time of day, so many different factors. I thought it would depend on how many errors David made, and he made a lot. But what I didn't expect was Murray to play so aggressive.

Andy is #4 in the world, he deserved more credit than many gave him.

green25814
08-13-2010, 06:38 PM
Murray clearly utilised his evil 'Cmons' to dismantle Nalbandian mentally. Obvious cheating. :D

angry1
08-13-2010, 06:47 PM
Murray clearly utilised his evil 'Cmons' to dismantle Nalbandian mentally. Obvious cheating. :D

The vast majority on here who didn't watch it or had no sound will believe you completely.

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08-13-2010, 06:47 PM
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decrepitude
08-13-2010, 07:30 PM
:haha:

Well done the 7 people who guessed correctly (and if the poll ends up showing more than seven, they voted after the end!

LOL!!! Another two people have voted since I posted!

syc23
08-13-2010, 11:01 PM
&n whose ass you are kissing?
Muza's? :haha:
look, nobody thinks that he is able to win in 2...:)

Nobody's is the answer.

Anyway who's laughing now ****? :)

The fatty lost. Deal with it.