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On Court Coaching should it be allowed??

MacTheKnife
08-10-2010, 12:40 PM
ESPN's two coaches, Cahill and Gilbert are constantly pushing for on court coaching. In the past I have been firmly against it, but the more I hear about it, the more I'm starting to waver.

Should there be on court coaching ?? There are pros and cons either way. I believe it would be enjoyable for fans to hear and see what goes on with coaches and players. It may help the level of tennis in some matches.

To some degree it is also unfair to lower ranked players with no coaches, or at least no coach that is able to constant travel..

I was against Hawk eye went it first started, but now I love it. I believe on court coaching is coming whether we like it or not. But what do you think, yes or no, and how would it affect the game. Would previous records be viewed differently. Would we then be talking about pre-coaching era like we now do about pre-open era ??

Vote and discuss.

Li Ching Yuen
08-10-2010, 12:47 PM
Your sig says it all.

Elena.
08-10-2010, 12:49 PM
No way.One of the beauties of tennis is that the players are alone on court ,this adds to the drama and intensity of it,i will always be against this on court coaching,they can do all the strategic talk before !

oranges
08-10-2010, 12:50 PM
No and I don't think it's coming whether we like it or not either. Oncourt coaching is for DC. On tour, a player is on his own once he steps on court. No strategy tips and no pep talk to fall back on. It's what makes tennis tennis.

maratsmaiden
08-10-2010, 12:52 PM
Totally against it. Agree 100% with Elena - that is one of the differentiators with tennis to just about every other sport - it's truly an individual game. You're on your own out there to make decisions - it's about mental toughness almost as much as physical ability. I think, if they want access to coaches - they should just interview them during changeovers - force that - like the pre-match interview in the hallway... don't change the game completely and turn the ATP into the sideshow that is the WTA.

I also don't think its fair, as many players don't/can't have coaches.

fabolous
08-10-2010, 01:06 PM
No and I don't think it's coming whether we like it or not either.
why so sure, it has already been implemented in women's tennis as a tv gimmick.

that said, i am strongly against it.

oranges
08-10-2010, 01:13 PM
^^ I was more questioning Mac's certainty, rather than expressing my own. Other than that, I'm truly hoping the era of idiotic experiments is behind us. Perhaps I'm too naive ;)

MacTheKnife
08-10-2010, 01:47 PM
First of all I'm never certain of anything but I do now believe that we will see on court coaching at some point in time. I don't like it either but do see some benefits to it in terms of fan involvement. I believe it is a double edge sword but could generate more interest in the sport.

Certinfy
08-10-2010, 01:48 PM
No way, it would ruin the sport.

The_Nadal_effect
08-10-2010, 02:12 PM
I wanted to start such a thread. :)

The assumption that ATP would become as bad as the WTA if it ever does turn to on court coaching is naive, to say the least. Ultimately, psychological preparation is only half the work done (taking the example of coaching in DC). Execution will always have the problems unique to itself, which the player will have to deal with, by himself, relying on his skills. The good thing would be the greater participation in the match from viewers - lets not forget one of the reasons why people like sports is drama (barring purists of course).

straitup
08-10-2010, 02:55 PM
Good thread...I don't want on court coaching to exist. Like everyone else has said, one of the beauties of tennis compared to most other sports is that you are on the court and so you are the one that has to figure out strategy, weaknesses, and troubleshoot on the spot.

Gilbert and Cahill really seem to like it because it would help in matches where one player has completely lost it, just so that the match could potentially be more competitive. It is a very fan gimmicky kinda thing though, I mean on the WTA, you can't have on court coaching unless the coach is mic'ed up for it. I don't agree with them one bit but I can see a tiny bit of merit if it were to happen.

tennisfan856
08-10-2010, 03:18 PM
damn, I wasn't expecting to be the only vote for yes on this. I, for one, think the loneliness of this sport on the court is also one of the reasons why players burn out at an early age. Kind of have to side with Darren and Cliff here that matches could be improved dramatically if the player could talk to the coach at some point in the match. From what I have seen on the WTA tour, nothing extreme really has happened in terms of momentum changes on the scoreline, but I don't really see anything negative with one visit to the player per match. Hell, coaches do it from the box illegally now, might as well legalize it on the court

MacTheKnife
08-10-2010, 03:33 PM
No way, it would ruin the sport.

Good discussion on this. How would it ruin the sport ??

Johnny Groove
08-10-2010, 04:44 PM
Against.

Tennis is an individual sport. A combination of boxing, chess, and track and field. The beauty of it is that you are out there on your own. If you can't figure out what your opponent is doing against you and adjust your tactics accordingly, you don't deserve to win.

It would take away from the game, I think. The players who are tactically astute and don't need a coach to hold their hand would suffer. For what? A ratings boost?

Coaching is for before and after a match.

Javier Bardem
08-10-2010, 04:46 PM
yea i wouldnt like coaching, also a minor problem is some of the lower ranked players can't have their coaches fly with them so they would be at a disadvantage. it's an individual sport and i like it that way

V.H.
08-10-2010, 05:14 PM
Look the results of the poll. What's the point. Hawk-Eye was a new technical thing, coaching has always been there, but we don't want it. It's unfair and only creates confusion.

I beg ATP to not to.

MacTheKnife
08-10-2010, 05:42 PM
Against.

Tennis is an individual sport. A combination of boxing, chess, and track and field. The beauty of it is that you are out there on your own. If you can't figure out what your opponent is doing against you and adjust your tactics accordingly, you don't deserve to win.

It would take away from the game, I think. The players who are tactically astute and don't need a coach to hold their hand would suffer. For what? A ratings boost?

Coaching is for before and after a match.

Best argument yet !!

HKz
08-10-2010, 05:45 PM
No.

Tennis is an individual's sport and keep it that way. The fact that you are out there all by yourself (except for doubles of course) makes the game that much more intriguing and challenging. I think for this reason, tennis is also a very unique sport as well.

The Hawk-Eye system is a completely different story, I don't know how you can compare the two at all. Sure it is a new technology that has never been added to the game and some players were opposed to it, but in the end, it doesn't affect the game itself, so it was never a real issue.

I mean plus, what would be the benefit of coaching? To say "attack his/her backhand more"? If the idiot player can't figure that out himself/herself on court, then he/she shouldn't deserve to win. Now if the coaching is to bring confidence to the player during a match, I think that would hurt the individualistic feeling of the game where you have to build your own confidence which makes top players like Federer/Nadal so great. Not to mention, you can always get the confidence you need from the crowd.

tennishero
08-10-2010, 05:56 PM
no, its stupid.. leave it for WTA.

scoobs
08-10-2010, 05:57 PM
Thin end of the wedge.

The Magician
08-10-2010, 06:36 PM
It works for WTA cause that's already a soap opera and people watch to see the players blow up at their coach/make bitchy comments at each other/start crying rather than for the sport. Bringing it to the ATP would only make the game more gimmicky and lame. These guys are gladiators, out there alone slugging it out. Bringing in coaches so they can whine and get comforted is pathetic for men.

CCBH
08-10-2010, 06:37 PM
I think the drama element of WTA coaching would go out of the window if this is implemented on the ATP. Obviously the male coach-female pupil dynamic is what the media looks to exploit, with the girl looking clueless, frustrated and complaining, while the coach passes on some stern advice. No way will the men allow anything useful to come out of it. They might end up trading blows even. I was watching the coach of Nalbandian in the stands during one of his matches, the guy was impossibly tense.

DrJules
08-10-2010, 08:26 PM
Against.

Tennis is an individual sport. A combination of boxing, chess, and track and field. The beauty of it is that you are out there on your own. If you can't figure out what your opponent is doing against you and adjust your tactics accordingly, you don't deserve to win.

It would take away from the game, I think. The players who are tactically astute and don't need a coach to hold their hand would suffer. For what? A ratings boost?

Coaching is for before and after a match.

On the women's tour where coaching is allowed neither tactics nor the ability to deal with pressure situations seem to have changed much. In fact the impact has been far less than many expected.

ApproachShot
08-10-2010, 08:39 PM
First of all I'm never certain of anything but I do now believe that we will see on court coaching at some point in time. I don't like it either but do see some benefits to it in terms of fan involvement. I believe it is a double edge sword but could generate more interest in the sport.

Nice thread.

The issue on on-court coaching certainly is a double edged sword but I'm not convinced that it would generate more interest in the sport. I think the experience of the WTA shows that rather than changing the rules in favour of allowing on-court coaching, what will boost the sport is for generational icons of the likes of Nadal and Federer to act as role models and ambassadors for the sport, for young talents like Djokovic to shine through and for the odd upset to lift the career of an older, committed player on the tour.

As it has already been mentioned, tennis is intriguing not only because of the game on the court but the battle of wits between the opponents on either side of the net. Being able to adjust one's tactics in response to that of the adversary is one of the most interesting aspects of the game. But bring in on-court coaching and this whole facet will be lost.

nobama
08-10-2010, 09:00 PM
Best argument yet !!
+1

nobama
08-10-2010, 09:11 PM
No.

Tennis is an individual's sport and keep it that way. The fact that you are out there all by yourself (except for doubles of course) makes the game that much more intriguing and challenging. I think for this reason, tennis is also a very unique sport as well.

The Hawk-Eye system is a completely different story, I don't know how you can compare the two at all. Sure it is a new technology that has never been added to the game and some players were opposed to it, but in the end, it doesn't affect the game itself, so it was never a real issue.

I mean plus, what would be the benefit of coaching? To say "attack his/her backhand more"? If the idiot player can't figure that out himself/herself on court, then he/she shouldn't deserve to win. Now if the coaching is to bring confidence to the player during a match, I think that would hurt the individualistic feeling of the game where you have to build your own confidence which makes top players like Federer/Nadal so great. Not to mention, you can always get the confidence you need from the crowd.All good points.

nobama
08-10-2010, 09:15 PM
On the women's tour where coaching is allowed neither tactics nor the ability to deal with pressure situations seem to have changed much. In fact the impact has been far less than many expected.

Then I say what's the point...other than making Gilbert and ESPN happy.

Orka_n
08-10-2010, 09:30 PM
No.

I also think the umpire should give a code violation to a player who looks at his coach when he's unsure whether to challenge.

out_here_grindin
08-10-2010, 09:33 PM
I was appaled that the ESPN crew didn't even mention the other argument at all. Made it seem like everyone wants it and only old washed up purists are against it.

ORGASMATRON
08-10-2010, 09:42 PM
ESPN's two coaches, Cahill and Gilbert are constantly pushing for on court coaching. In the past I have been firmly against it, but the more I hear about it, the more I'm starting to waver.

Should there be on court coaching ?? There are pros and cons either way. I believe it would be enjoyable for fans to hear and see what goes on with coaches and players. It may help the level of tennis in some matches.

To some degree it is also unfair to lower ranked players with no coaches, or at least no coach that is able to constant travel..

I was against Hawk eye went it first started, but now I love it. I believe on court coaching is coming whether we like it or not. But what do you think, yes or no, and how would it affect the game. Would previous records be viewed differently. Would we then be talking about pre-coaching era like we now do about pre-open era ??

Vote and discuss.

u cant compare hawk eye with on court coaching. the one is technology which clearly improves the sport. the other is not technology and wont improve the sport as far as im concerned. it would make it even more unfair for players who is already struggling to make it to the top. part of the uniqueness of tennis is that a player is completely alone when they are out there. gilbert would push for it because he wants to get back out on court and have a direct impact on matches which he cant do now.

r2473
08-10-2010, 09:42 PM
I don't think it would change things much one way or the other. I can potentially see a coach's advice changing the course of the match once in a while, but I don't think it would happen too often. Afterall, coaches sit courtside and can communicate what they need to to their player presently anyway. It is much ado about nothing. A non-issue. As someone said above, it hasn't made any real difference on the WTA tour.

I also think its "gimmick" value is overrated as well. I don't really think most fans would care about this one way or the other (except for the nuts out here that is). It wouldn't make it more interesting for the viewer. The majority of viewers are casual grandslam fans anyway. Now, it we could offer fans the ability to vote players off the island, that would be a whole different matter...and some really gripping TV.

In short, I could care less.

Calidreth
08-10-2010, 09:43 PM
I like the idea of what someone said earlier in the thread, have an interview with a player and his coach and let them talk openly before the match. However on court coaching is definitely not a good idea. Tennis is a mental sport, where you have only yourself to depend on; it should definitely be left as is. A player can grow more from defeat by himself than winning with a coach muttering strategies in his ear every change over.

out_here_grindin
08-10-2010, 09:46 PM
I like the idea of what someone said earlier in the thread, have an interview with a player and his coach and let them talk openly before the match. However on court coaching is definitely not a good idea. Tennis is a mental sport, where you have only yourself to depend on; it should definitely be left as is. A player can grow more from defeat by himself than winning with a coach muttering strategies in his ear every change over.

Don't they do this already in the locker room. What would be the point of doing in on court? Just so fans can see it? What would that matter, its not like they would be able to hear what they are saying.

Calidreth
08-10-2010, 09:56 PM
More so of a publicity thing -- you know its the only reason coaches REALLY want it. They want more exposure.

straitup
08-10-2010, 10:11 PM
I don't think it would change things much one way or the other. I can potentially see a coach's advice changing the course of the match once in a while, but I don't think it would happen too often. Afterall, coaches sit courtside and can communicate what they need to to their player presently anyway. It is much ado about nothing. A non-issue. As someone said above, it hasn't made any real difference on the WTA tour.

I also think its "gimmick" value is overrated as well. I don't really think most fans would care about this one way or the other (except for the nuts out here that is). It wouldn't make it more interesting for the viewer. The majority of viewers are casual grandslam fans anyway. Now, it we could offer fans the ability to vote players off the island, that would be a whole different matter...and some really gripping TV.

In short, I could care less.

Couldn't agree more...I mean once in a while it might help out, but if a player is struggling, it's still going to be up to the player to fix what he's doing wrong, regardless of what the coach says.

bluefork
08-10-2010, 10:14 PM
Like almost everyone else, I'm against it. And I really don't think it will bring anything to the viewing experience anyway. It's not like it has in the women's game. Most of the time the coaches are speaking to the players in a language other than English, so most of the viewers here (in the U.S.) have no idea what they're saying. And I don't even get the impression that the players like having their coaches come down on court. There's a lot of "I can't!" "You try it!" going on. :lol:

The ATP briefly tried on-court coaching in 1998. Obviously it didn't stick. Why bother with it again?

KarlyM
08-10-2010, 11:15 PM
NO!!!!

I think Gilbert and Cahill are for it because of their perspective of being the coach in the player's box -- they find themselves wishing they could go on court to give their players tips. But they don't think of the diadvantages:

1. It will ruin the mentally tough, on-your-own aspect of the sport. 2 players, by themselves, battling each other for victory... It's the only good thing going for the sport a lot of people think is a "wussy" sport -- you can kiss that goodbye with on-court coaching.

2. The WTA's on-court coaching rule has resulted in many players becoming too reliant on their coaches for help/support. It has made the somewhat mentally weak players even worse. You end up with players doing well in WTA events and as a result, people think they are Grand Slam contenders. Then they bomb in the Grand Slams and people wonder why? They can't call on their coaches in the slams because the ITF won't allow it.

3. It puts the players lacking the money to have their coach travel with them (or hire one at all) at yet another disadvantage.

4. WTF are you going to accomplish in 1-2 minutes of on-court coaching? - Not much! From what I've seen from the WTA tour, it goes like this:
The player will call their coach when they are in a serious jam (like bombing a set away badly). Once the coach gets there, the player starts venting away all their built up frustration by yelling or crying. The coach tries calm them down and the player is still yelling/crying. The coach tries to get in a few strategy tips in but the player is still venting away, and the timeout is over.
So basically, the player just uses the coach to vent their frustrations out to, but does not have enough time to actually talk strategy. The player may do good initially after the coaching (got out the frustration), but they will likely start to suck again because they didn't get any strategy tips. This is why coaching off-court during rain delays is more effective - the player has time to vent and the coach has more time to get the player to calm down to discuss strategies. And before anyone says "but that's the WTA...," I highly doubt the men's players will be any different (just less crying :lol:). The men will just do more yelling about bad calls, foot faults, how they want the hawk-eye turned off, how their forehand/backhand sucks so bad, etc. :lol: They would probably accomplish more breaking racquets than anything from an on-court coaching session.

RedHotRafa
12-16-2010, 10:47 PM
Everyone knows that ATP tennis players (Nadal) have had their moments this year. But the question is should it be allowed like in the WTA. Or should the men be strong and play their own games to win not have spectators (coaches) tell them what to do?

Action Jackson
12-16-2010, 10:50 PM
I still haven't changed my view on it.

Clay Death
12-16-2010, 11:08 PM
Against.

Tennis is an individual sport. A combination of boxing, chess, and track and field. The beauty of it is that you are out there on your own. If you can't figure out what your opponent is doing against you and adjust your tactics accordingly, you don't deserve to win.

It would take away from the game, I think. The players who are tactically astute and don't need a coach to hold their hand would suffer. For what? A ratings boost?

Coaching is for before and after a match.

total horse shit jonathan.

great thread by the way mac the knife.

anything that increases the effectiveness of the battle on the court is great for the consumer/the fans.

name one bloody sport that doesnt have coaching while the battles rage. just one bloody single sport.

and where all time greats are involved, it doesnt make any difference at all. they know far more than their coaches as to how to wage war on the court and how to win matches.

fed has 16 majors. does anybody know more than him about winning matches? same with nadal.


next.

oranges
12-16-2010, 11:13 PM
name one bloody sport that doesnt have coaching while the battles rage. just one bloody single sport.


:rolleyes: High jump, there. It's not excatly unheard of outside team sports.

Action Jackson
12-16-2010, 11:14 PM
Of course it's just a stupid TV gimmick and does nothing for the sport. At the same time if they really want to get rid of it, just have one official at each end watching the coaches, so they don't get up to anything.

Orka_n
12-16-2010, 11:18 PM
No coaching. Man vs Man. That is the beauty of the battle.

Pirata.
12-16-2010, 11:22 PM
I think it should be allowed during the break between sets, but honestly, a player should be able to get by without the help of a coach.

Goldenoldie
12-16-2010, 11:25 PM
I think it should be allowed at change of ends provided that no time is wasted. Better to have it out in the open.

Mjau!
12-16-2010, 11:35 PM
Banned!

Because otherwise, it's not cheating when Nadal does it!

nobama
12-16-2010, 11:59 PM
Leave it for the WTA.

Topspindoctor
12-17-2010, 12:05 AM
It's not allowed in WTA in slams either.

KaiserT
12-17-2010, 12:57 AM
It would make the ridiculous coaching that Rafa gets throughout a match by his uncle Toni..... slightly less ridiculous.

KaiserT
12-17-2010, 12:58 AM
total horse shit jonathan.

great thread by the way mac the knife.

anything that increases the effectiveness of the battle on the court is great for the consumer/the fans.

name one bloody sport that doesnt have coaching while the battles rage. just one bloody single sport.

and where all time greats are involved, it doesnt make any difference at all. they know far more than their coaches as to how to wage war on the court and how to win matches.

fed has 16 majors. does anybody know more than him about winning matches? same with nadal.


next.

Having been sat 20 feet away from Toni at the WTF match vs Murray I can say that Nadal values his uncles coaching input a great deal through the match :lol:

Shade
12-17-2010, 02:15 AM
Yeah I was about to say it sure wouldn't effect Nadal any. But no, I don't want coaching. I like the individual battle on court where it's player against player, if you add coaching into that it just wouldn't be the same. Individual sports shouldn't have coaching during the event.

Clay Death
12-17-2010, 02:29 AM
It would make the ridiculous coaching that Rafa gets throughout a match by his uncle Toni..... slightly less ridiculous.



sour grapes.

grab another towel for your tears.

tony knows damn near nothing compared to what nadal knows about winning matches.

KaiserT
12-17-2010, 05:36 AM
sour grapes.

grab another towel for your tears.

tony knows damn near nothing compared to what nadal knows about winning matches.

I don't disagree with that, but Nadal seemed intent on getting his advice whenever he went to get a towel at the end he was sitting....... Nadal often gets on court (sideline) coaching very visibly.

And I am not Anti-Rafa, not a fan, but appreciate everything he brings to the sport.

laurie-1
12-17-2010, 09:08 AM
It's not allowed in WTA in slams either.

Thats because Grand Slam tournaments are run by the International Tennis Federation (ITF) and not the WTA.

Interesting that Caroline Wozniacki makes the absolute most of her father coming to coach her in WTA tournaments. I think that in slams when that's not possible, she's come unstuck in the big matches. She should consider telling her father that she must figure it out for herself and that will help in slam tournaments when she can't get any help.

bjurra
12-17-2010, 10:20 AM
Coaching is one of the most entertaining things about WTA. I think ATP should allow it although I think ATP players would use it less often than female players.

Is there any other sport where coaching is not allowed? Chess?

nobama
12-17-2010, 01:05 PM
Coaching is one of the most entertaining things about WTA. I think ATP should allow it although I think ATP players would use it less often than female players.

Is there any other sport where coaching is not allowed? Chess?What exactly is entertaining about it?

bjurra
12-19-2010, 07:36 AM
What exactly is entertaining about it?

What is NOT entertaining about it?

While you ponder on that for a minute, I can answer your question:

1. The tactical advice is interesting.
2. The interaction between coach and player is interesting.
3. Some coaches like to bash the opponent to boost their player. Always funny.
4. Some coaches are so charismatic it is fun to watch them even though you dont understand a word.

Having said that, coaching on the ATP tour might not be as fun as I think ATP players are more independent than WTA players.

paseo
12-19-2010, 10:01 AM
Spartan tennis doesn't need coaching. A warrior is always alone on the battlefield.

SheepleBuster
05-24-2011, 03:28 PM
You know. I never thought I see the day when men would ask for help from their coaches like what happens in WTA in some tournaments. But the way some of these guys are getting coached, they may as well allow it. Even Brad Gilbert is for it.

What's your take. Do you think on court coaching will come to ATP just like it has to WTA? I mean why not considering that the rules are not enforced anyway.

MacTheKnife
05-24-2011, 03:40 PM
Wow, I forgot I started this thread. I was dead set against it in the past, but just like when I started the thread, I think it is just a matter of time before we see on court coaching to "some degree". Not sure how they'll structure it, but I do believe we'll see it.

Still a lot of pros and cons. Personally I'd still like to see just player against player, but damn, some of these guys just need some help..

Johnny Groove
05-24-2011, 03:42 PM
No, no, no.

A million times no.

Coaching is for before and after matches. If you can't figure out how to beat an opponent, then you don't deserve to win, end of story.

SheepleBuster
05-24-2011, 03:49 PM
No, no, no.

A million times no.

Coaching is for before and after matches. If you can't figure out how to beat an opponent, then you don't deserve to win, end of story.

Yet Nadal gets coached how to hit a backhand. Uncle Tony did that just today

Nole Rules
05-24-2011, 03:55 PM
Rafa will need this.
Oh wait....

Johnny Groove
05-24-2011, 03:56 PM
Yet Nadal gets coached how to hit a backhand. Uncle Tony did that just today

And I disagree with it.

Action Jackson
05-24-2011, 03:58 PM
There is a simple solution to it as I stated earlier in this thread. Have one official at each end watching the coaches, so they don't get up to anything.

SheepleBuster
05-24-2011, 04:00 PM
And I disagree with it.

I just think it's embarrassing. Rafa knows how to hit a backhand. He is a 9 time slam winner :) Come on people

helgagonzalez
05-24-2011, 04:13 PM
I just think it's embarrassing. Rafa knows how to hit a backhand. He is a 9 time slam winner :) Come on people

I totally agree. Rafa's been playing tennis for so long, i doubt he needs to be told how to do it.

The Magician
05-24-2011, 04:23 PM
So funny when the camera catches Tony coaching Nadull on court and he quickly covers his mouth with his hand :tape: Might as well even the odds, since it's no coincidence the #1 player in the world is the only player with the benefit of on court coaching.

superslam77
05-24-2011, 04:36 PM
tonigreed got caught for the 99th time, whatcha saaaaaaaaaaaay now?

alter ego
05-24-2011, 04:42 PM
Uncle Nadull should be fined.

Lleyton_
05-24-2011, 04:58 PM
No but it won't stop Uncle NoLife from illegally coaching Nadal:o

Lana87
05-24-2011, 05:16 PM
No but it's hard to believe that uncle Toni can tell Rafa something that he doesn't already know. I don't really care.

abraxas21
05-24-2011, 06:22 PM
no but i agree it'd be funny to hear the exchanges between coach and player - aa bit like in the NBA perhaps

abraxas21
05-24-2011, 06:23 PM
No but it's hard to believe that uncle Toni can tell Rafa something that he doesn't already know. I don't really care.

if he knew it already, there would be no point in the repeated on court coaching from uncle toni

abraxas21
05-24-2011, 06:26 PM
nadal breaks the rules in many forms:

1- repeated on court coaching

2- repeated violations of time wasting

3- questionable injury time-outs in a few matches that were complicated for him.


it defies my imagination how this guy can have fans tbh... and don't even get me started on his game style and his so called 'humble attitude', which are actually the things about nadal i dislike the most.

Tom Paulman
05-24-2011, 06:32 PM
nadal breaks the rules in many forms:

1- repeated on court coaching

2- repeated violations of time wasting

3- questionable injury time-outs in a few matches that were complicated for him.


it defies my imagination how this guy can have fans tbh... and don't even get me started on his game style and his so called 'humble attitude', which are actually the things about nadal i dislike the most.

Well said. And the sportsmanship award is a spit in the face of all true sportsmen and tennis fans.

Lana87
05-24-2011, 06:39 PM
if he knew it already, there would be no point in the repeated on court coaching from uncle toni

Yeah ok you have a point.

v-money
07-09-2011, 07:22 AM
We always get to see some on-court coaching during the Davis Cup ties and I feel like it's an interesting touch. In the tie between USA and ESP, Spain was probably benefited by on court coaching and support from the fellow players, while the US was outcoahed and only brought some college players in support.

Alberto Costa was probably the reason Ferrer was able to win that first set, but we see instances of this on the ATP tour. Players always look at their box to get advice on a challenges, so on court coaching is somehow being used.

I think it is acceptable in Davis Cup because it is a team competition, but the tour should be an individual effort, in my opinion. In may be nice if the ATP did not even allow the players to consult their box on a challenge call. Opinions?

peribsen
07-09-2011, 11:29 AM
Totally against it. It should be allowed only in team efforts, like DC.

Quite another thing is whether exchanging a glance, a nod or a shout with your box should be considered coaching. This week we are all seeing DC matches and what true coaching really means. People arguing that Nadal or Djokovic are cheaters because (like many other players) they may turn to their box in desperation, should be able to tell the difference between that and getting to have a conversation with your coach every time you change sides. Now that is coaching, the other isn't.

peribsen
07-09-2011, 11:54 AM
nadal breaks the rules in many forms:

1- repeated on court coaching

If you ever watch Davis cup, you should be able to tell the difference between true coaching and a glance or yell at your box. You may also ask yourself what "on court" means, since in DC coaches actually sit next to their player during changeovers. Of course, the fact you always talk of Nadal and not the other legion of players who may occassionally turn to their boxes (like Nole, for ex.) is something to be expected from a biased hater like you.

2- repeated violations of time wasting

Being a slow server may be a minor infraction for which you can be called out, but it most certainly does not amount to cheating. That would be like claiming Italy should be stripped of it's WC wins because they often lose time during the last minutes of tight matches... yes, a player may be booked for it, but it doesn't even come close to actually cheating.

3- questionable injury time-outs in a few matches that were complicated for him.

Particularly questionable for sour haters like you, who would have us believe Rafa skipped WB 2009 because he was frightened instead of injured. The TMO this WB QF against Delpo is as good an example of your bias as we are ever likely to come across.

it defies my imagination how this guy can have fans tbh...

Because some people may actually care about the sport, unlike you, who only seem to care about hating some players?

Go get lost somewhere :wavey: