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Gasquet; why continue on the tour?

Langers
08-09-2010, 05:54 PM
This is not a troll thread.

He clearly has talent, his shotmaking is enjoyable to watch, but his lack of work ethic is not. He has no 'grit' to his game, he doesn't like to fight from difficult situations, he doesn't EVER look as though he's having fun on the tennis court.

He doesn't achieve significant results, he isn't a threat to the big guns, if he doesn't enjoy playing which it really looks like, why then does he put himself through it? Clearly given how little he's prepared to work on the match court, results mean little to him. He doesn't even push himself to improve. I just don't see why he continues to put himself through the day to day rigours of the tour when he's constantly going through the motions.

Start da Game
08-09-2010, 06:05 PM
he's one of those players who relies purely on talent and just likes to enjoy participating in tournaments no matter what the results are.......i think his fans shouldn't expect much........he will have those occasional displays of brilliance and that should pretty much do it for his fans if they really know the limitations of gasquet.......

he's also not as talented as what some people think.......one great backhand cannot do wonders, it never did.......he has decent volleying skills and i think he should target grass every season where he can rely on placement, volleys and angles than power and penetration like on hardcourts and clay.......

Puschkin
08-09-2010, 06:14 PM
This is not a troll thread.

He clearly has talent, his shotmaking is enjoyable to watch, but his lack of work ethic is not. He has no 'grit' to his game, he doesn't like to fight from difficult situations, he doesn't EVER look as though he's having fun on the tennis court.

Yep today was a bad match and a bad attitude, but if you cared to look at previous results this year you could not be more wrong.

The problem with him is to keep him fit and I doubt all this stuff about lacking work ethic, certainly since last year. He had a lot of catch up to do and obviously has not found the proper balance.

icecastle
08-09-2010, 07:04 PM
Clearly given how little he's prepared to work on the match court, results mean little to him. He doesn't even push himself to improve. I just don't see why he continues to put himself through the day to day rigours of the tour when he's constantly going through the motions.

Im just wondering how well do you know Richie anyway? Do you train with him or talk to his coach to say he's not preparing enough for a match?

Sapeod
08-09-2010, 07:06 PM
Gascoke should retire, I agree.

garytennis
08-09-2010, 07:16 PM
Is he injured ? If it's the case, please don't play, Richard. His match and his behaviour were very disappointing today.

Schu
08-09-2010, 08:16 PM
HOw do all you guys know how hard he trains and if he enjoys his tennis or not? You train with him? Coach him?

Fortunately I didn't see the match today but I've seen too many like it. Still injured? no confidence? who the hell knows what's wrong with him but if he or any player wants to put themselves through the embarassment of matches like this who are we to question their desire? And why should anyone care? Let them play and stop with the player "x" should retire.

And as for looking like he's not enjoying it, many players look like they are being tourtured on the court - two of the current Top 10 come to mind, Murray and DelPotro. And I have seen Gasquet pumped up and into matches on many occasions. Gasquet had the perfect "out" last year but decided to return; must be a reason for that.

I'm a huge Gasquet fan but have long ago accepted that he is a talented guy that has flaws in his game and because of that, his personality and injury prone body he will not likely even be a consistent top 10 player. I just enjoy the flashes of brilliance and hope against hope that one day they could become more than flashes.

Ibracadabra
08-09-2010, 08:48 PM
Money.

syc23
08-09-2010, 08:51 PM
Dear OP: why are you not playing on the pro tour?

Oh that's right, you don't even possess 0.0000002% of tennis talent of Richard Gasquet. Are you bitter?

MurrayFan1
08-09-2010, 09:13 PM
I was thinking the same. Langers, you are a man after my own heart!

debby
08-09-2010, 09:26 PM
ROFL @ the defensive Gasquet tards. He is done, deal with it.

yuri27
08-09-2010, 09:30 PM
This is not a troll thread.

He clearly has talent, his shotmaking is enjoyable to watch, but his lack of work ethic is not. He has no 'grit' to his game, he doesn't like to fight from difficult situations, he doesn't EVER look as though he's having fun on the tennis court.

He is not helped by his fitness though(which could be related to a lack of work ethic,i agree).
He is like the guy played by S.Lee Jackson in Unbreakable.

latso
08-09-2010, 09:33 PM
If we have a thread for some1 to retire, everytime some rookie took a bad bet, imo we'd better close this place :rolleyes:

Gasquet won a tourney this year, no?

He lost a match against a solid oponent today - so what?

leave the retirement threads ffs

and don't bet when u have no idea :rolleyes:

Certinfy
08-09-2010, 09:51 PM
Good thread :yeah:

Neumann
08-09-2010, 10:07 PM
I'm a huge Gasquet fan but have long ago accepted that he is a talented guy that has flaws in his game and because of that, his personality and injury prone body he will not likely even be a consistent top 10 player. I just enjoy the flashes of brilliance and hope against hope that one day they could become more than flashes.

Agreed. As long as he's able to keep giving moments like these
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAHCy5WkZzw&feature=related
I'd appreciate if he didn't retire.

Sometimes my mind wanders thinking what he'd become with Nadal's determination, and Federer's injury repellent... #1 (almost) sure... :(
But so would many other players.

Oh well.

Johnny_Bravo
08-09-2010, 10:08 PM
lol latso,tell them bro ;)

Certinfy
08-09-2010, 10:11 PM
Gasquet's fitness is horrible.

Ozone
08-09-2010, 10:15 PM
Had a great week in Gstaad. Probably hasnt been training on the hard courts enough. I think he'll have a fine end of 2010

Cloudygirl
08-09-2010, 10:52 PM
well he's won a tour title this year. What about the other guys on tour that haven't should they all retire too.

I wish I could be half assed and still be top 50 in the world at what I do.

A_Skywalker
08-09-2010, 11:42 PM
This is not a troll thread.

He clearly has talent, his shotmaking is enjoyable to watch, but his lack of work ethic is not. He has no 'grit' to his game, he doesn't like to fight from difficult situations, he doesn't EVER look as though he's having fun on the tennis court.

He doesn't achieve significant results, he isn't a threat to the big guns, if he doesn't enjoy playing which it really looks like, why then does he put himself through it? Clearly given how little he's prepared to work on the match court, results mean little to him. He doesn't even push himself to improve. I just don't see why he continues to put himself through the day to day rigours of the tour when he's constantly going through the motions.

It is his work, some people work only because its nessesary to have money. This is the case with him. And why should he stop earning money? Do you expect him to work in normal job, this is better even if he doesnt enjoy playing tennis. At least he visits different countries, have fun there. Do you propose that he should start working in office instead.

yuri27
08-10-2010, 12:14 AM
well he's won a tour title this year. What about the other guys on tour that haven't should they all retire too.

I wish I could be half assed and still be top 50 in the world at what I do.

Yeah,especially a certain Scottish guy.

Schu
08-10-2010, 12:36 AM
Wow what a bunch of cynical, mercenary people! Guess I'm not as mercenary as you guys and have more pride but you couldn't pay me enough to get out there and play like that in front of my fellow tour players and TV audience just for $$ and I certainly COULD use the $$$. Plus after paying for coach, expenses, etc. he probably isn't making that much money these days and just pissing off his sponsors. He's been around the world more times than he cares; I'm sure he could live without another trip to Cincinatti (no offense to anyone from Cincy). Certainly he could find something to do other than sit behind a desk! MAYBE, just MAYBE he WANTS to play although I agree it's hard to tell at times.

KarlyM
08-10-2010, 01:27 AM
If Gasquet had not won a title in YEARS, I might understand the point of this thread.

Roamed
08-10-2010, 01:44 AM
There should be a new permanently stickied thread, called 'Who needs to retire?' All debate could go on within. The benefit of having a stickied thread would make it easier to reminisce over all the old retirement requests. Fond memories. Joking aside, he has as others have said already won a title this year, and more recently than say the world numbers 2, 3, 4... Today wasn't a great day for him but I think a longer stretch of terrible results would be required for these sorts of questions :)

Serenidad
08-10-2010, 01:56 AM
Gasquet just beat Brands recently, so I'd say he is in good form.

Luinir
08-10-2010, 02:20 AM
Gasquet just beat Brands recently, so I'd say he is in good form.

:yeah:

Sapeod
08-10-2010, 05:38 AM
Yeah,especially a certain Scottish guy.
I do believe that scttish guy is no.4 in the world and no.8 in the race atm, has a Wimbledon SF and an Australian Open final, while Gascoke isn't even top 30 in the race, isn't even top 30 in the rankings, has one lousy 250 title and another lousy 250 final.

So don't even compare.
It's not about crummy 250 titles, it's about points.

osmonde
08-10-2010, 06:51 AM
He was on a live chat yesterday on Rogerscup website.
He said that he found it hard to come back after those events last year.
He loves playing tennis, but as many players, don't like it that much living in hotels all the time.

Mimi
08-10-2010, 07:47 AM
he is still young, give him some time. Also, even if he is not doing very well, he should continue playing, otherwise what should he do if he retires from tennis now? Studying? Marrying? Also, he needs to earn a living:wavey:

Puschkin
08-10-2010, 08:44 AM
I'm a huge Gasquet fan but have long ago accepted that he is a talented guy that has flaws in his game and because of that, his personality and injury prone body he will not likely even be a consistent top 10 player. I just enjoy the flashes of brilliance and hope against hope that one day they could become more than flashes.
Well said. :yeah:

I feel exactly the same, but this is probably what childish band-waggoners will never grasp.

When Richard burst on the scene, I did not even like him, who was this upstart, beating my beloved Roger? He won me over quickly with his game on all surfaces and his variation, though, and in 2005/2006 it seemed indeed that he was the next big thing. Things have turned out otherwise and there are many reasons for that, injuries at bad moments certainly playing a considerable part.

But more important is the history of personal development and the worst which could have happened to Richard was being called the French tennis messiah at the age of 9 (and while his entourage may be criticised for allowing that, he himself can hardly be blamed). This also explains why he is so controversial in France. I am around quite some tennis sites, but hardly ever have I seen so much hatred spat out at a player from his own compatriots. The only one getting close is Murray who also carries the expectations of a nation, but seems to have been equipped with a personality more resistant to public pressure or maybe not.

Certainly, Richard made mistakes in the past and the criticism for not working hard enough as a youngster may be justified, but on the other hand, you don't get to nr.7 in the world on talent alone. I know that bringing up 2009 will provoke hostile reactions here. But this was a decisive year, I think it was when he was almost out that he found the determination to show what he is made of. And I sincerely doubt that many of the revered "Spartans" over here would have been able to do what he did: Playing during looming appeals, working himself through periods when losing to good amateurs, taking a coach from a different world and starting from scratch.

What remains to be sorted out is the challenge of finding a balance between the necessity of playing a lot of tourneys to improve the ranking and avoiding getting injured, which is by the way also a problem for many other players, should they all retire?

leng jai
08-10-2010, 09:50 AM
Silly thread. Why stop, he makes more money than 95% by hardly doing much anyway.

Drugs Ruin Lives
08-10-2010, 09:54 AM
He has to pay for the coke somehow.

kooties
08-10-2010, 11:51 AM
I think Ashe said it best.

When he received a letter from a fan which conveyed:”Why did God have to select you for such a bad disease?” Ashe replied: "Listen. 50 million children around the world start playing tennis. 5 million learn to play tennis. 500,000 learn professional tennis. 50,000 come to the circuit. 5000 reach The Grand Slam. 50 reach Wimbledon. 8 reach the Quarterfinals. 4 to the Semifinals. 2 to the Finals. When i was holding the Cup i never asked God: Why me? So why now in pain should I be asking Him: WHY ME?

granted Gasquet has not reached the heights of Ashe, but imagine the spot at where he is right now. Now place yourself in that same spot. Would you honestly give it up?

Tutu
08-10-2010, 12:25 PM
It's so retarded when people call for players to retire as soon as they go through rough patches.

Shows how much resilience you have in life.

MacTheKnife
08-10-2010, 12:30 PM
The guy's is a slump, let it go. Why do people think if a guy's not in the top 10 or something they should retire ?? That should be a thread..

guille&tati4life
08-10-2010, 12:39 PM
He should continue on the tour for numerous reasons, primarily because he gets cash but also because he's one of the best 40 tennis players in the world.

I was a fan of Gasquet for quite some time but to be perfectly honest he continues to go backwards. I'm not sure whether his attitude is just diabolical or if his game is simply so bad on some days that he can't compete with the likes of Stakhovsky. I'm sad to say that I think it is a mixture of the two. When his game isn't firing it's dreadful and he has no desire to fight through such situations. He is responsible for one of the worst sets I have ever seen in tennis when Luis Horna destroyed him in Rome.
Far too often he is both lazy and inept.

MariaV
08-10-2010, 01:05 PM
When Richard burst on the scene, I did not even like him, who was this upstart, beating my beloved Roger? He won me over quickly with his game on all surfaces and his variation, though, and in 2005/2006 it seemed indeed that he was the next big thing. Things have turned out otherwise and there are many reasons for that, injuries at bad moments certainly playing a considerable part.

But more important is the history of personal development and the worst which could have happened to Richard was being called the French tennis messiah at the age of 9 (and while his entourage may be criticised for allowing that, he himself can hardly be blamed). This also explains why he is so controversial in France. I am around quite some tennis sites, but hardly ever have I seen so much hatred spat out at a player from his own compatriots. The only one getting close is Murray who also carries the expectations of a nation, but seems to have been equipped with a personality more resistant to public pressure or maybe not.

Certainly, Richard made mistakes in the past and the criticism for not working hard enough as a youngster may be justified, but on the other hand, you don't get to nr.7 in the world on talent alone. I know that bringing up 2009 will provoke hostile reactions here. But this was a decisive year, I think it was when he was almost out that he found the determination to show what he is made of. And I sincerely doubt that many of the revered "Spartans" over here would have been able to do what he did: Playing during looming appeals, working yourself through periods when losing to good amateurs, taking a coach from a different world and starting from scratch.

What remains to be sorted out is the challenge of finding a balance between the necessity of playing a lot of tourneys to improve the ranking and avoiding getting injured, which is by the way also a problem for many other players, should they all retire?

+1
You saved me from typing all this. :)

oranges
08-10-2010, 01:28 PM
I'm curious how is this not a troll thread. Granted, Langers likes the doom and gloom attitude whenever any chosen one is not fulfilling whatever his expectations are, but it's still no less trollish, or if you prefer, it's just plain stupid.

Most issues have already been adressed by others and I might add in a very non-antagonistic and conciliatory way given the opening post. I'll be far more blunt and say -- FFS the guy is quite obviously on a good comeback trail since the suspension, despite the injury setbacks. A lot of people are eager to watch him, regardless whether the good form will come in patches or relatively consistently. There isn't a single reason to consider retirement, yet here we are, discussing it. :rolleyes:

Tutu
08-10-2010, 01:51 PM
The guy's is a slump, let it go. Why do people think if a guy's not in the top 10 or something they should retire ?? That should be a thread..
Exactly.

He trained to become a professional tennis play for years and years. Is there anyone who seriously believes that he's going to give it up as soon as he faces some adversity? If he was ranked 400 then maybe I would see your point, but he's the 40th ranked player in the world. Why the hell would he retire?

As Serena said; he's not Justine...

nalbyfan
08-10-2010, 04:51 PM
His main problem : injuries...this time it's back and shoulder and next time ??? Even in France we're disappointed by his career, he might do so much better !!!

icecastle
08-10-2010, 10:22 PM
I feel exactly the same, but this is probably what childish band-waggoners will never grasp.

When Richard burst on the scene, I did not even like him, who was this upstart, beating my beloved Roger? He won me over quickly with his game on all surfaces and his variation, though, and in 2005/2006 it seemed indeed that he was the next big thing. Things have turned out otherwise and there are many reasons for that, injuries at bad moments certainly playing a considerable part.

But more important is the history of personal development and the worst which could have happened to Richard was being called the French tennis messiah at the age of 9 (and while his entourage may be criticised for allowing that, he himself can hardly be blamed). This also explains why he is so controversial in France. I am around quite some tennis sites, but hardly ever have I seen so much hatred spat out at a player from his own compatriots. The only one getting close is Murray who also carries the expectations of a nation, but seems to have been equipped with a personality more resistant to public pressure or maybe not.

Certainly, Richard made mistakes in the past and the criticism for not working hard enough as a youngster may be justified, but on the other hand, you don't get to nr.7 in the world on talent alone. I know that bringing up 2009 will provoke hostile reactions here. But this was a decisive year, I think it was when he was almost out that he found the determination to show what he is made of. And I sincerely doubt that many of the revered "Spartans" over here would have been able to do what he did: Playing during looming appeals, working himself through periods when losing to good amateurs, taking a coach from a different world and starting from scratch.

What remains to be sorted out is the challenge of finding a balance between the necessity of playing a lot of tourneys to improve the ranking and avoiding getting injured, which is by the way also a problem for many other players, should they all retire?

heartily agree :yeah:

r2473
08-10-2010, 10:29 PM
I think in a recent interview Gasquet mentioned how he fantasizes about becoming an accountant and often hangs out at "Accountantsforum.com".

In a recent thread, he was calling for this guy to retire (the trolling on that site is getting unbearable however. People are purposely confusing debits and credits....and then there are all the LIFO jokes).

http://effectiveaccountingjobmotivation.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/accountant.jpg

Jimnik
08-10-2010, 10:30 PM
There's the money for one thing.

Jomp1
08-10-2010, 10:34 PM
Why care about players retiring or not, just let them play and make their own decisions. If they're not good enough it will show in the rankings sooner or later. If you don't like to watch him play, don't watch.