Federer to be world number 4 after the us open? [Archive] - MensTennisForums.com

Federer to be world number 4 after the us open?

chazz
08-09-2010, 12:57 PM
I have just looked at the points and unless roger really steps up in the two master series he could be in danger of going to world number 4, possibly 5, if soderling anf murray both excel in the next 5 weeks:


Federer now : 6795
- 180 canada
- 1000 cincinnati
- 1200 Us open

Federer after Us open : 4415


Murray now : 5305
- 1000 canada
- 360 cincinnati
- 180 Us open

Murray after US open : 3765


Soderling now : 4740
- 0 canada
- 10 cincinnati
- 360 Us open

Soderling after Us open : 4370



As you can see its going to be very tight and a good us open series from any of them could see them clinch 4th

prafull
08-09-2010, 01:04 PM
Soderling will definitely be 3rd. Murray and Federer will be close for 4th with Murray slightly ahead.

FlavorNuts
08-09-2010, 01:55 PM
If you'd told someone a couple years ago that Soderling would be ranked ahead of Federer in 2010 you'd get slapped.

Bilbo
08-09-2010, 02:02 PM
Would it be so bad if he's ranked 4th or 5th? It's a normal ageing process. It happens to every player.

Jomp1
08-09-2010, 02:09 PM
It's pretty much a coin toss to me looking at the points. But it wouldn't surprise me at all if he steps up and win 2 of the 3 events and stays #3.

BlueBird
08-09-2010, 02:33 PM
He'll stay in the top 3.

FormerRafaFan
08-09-2010, 02:39 PM
Would it be so bad if he's ranked 4th or 5th? It's a normal ageing process. It happens to every player.

But not to Federer. Remember, he's just "injured".

Bilbo
08-09-2010, 02:40 PM
But not to Federer. Remember, he's just "injured".

agreed, he'll be the best player in the world even in his 60's

Eden
08-09-2010, 02:56 PM
But not to Federer. Remember, he's just "injured".

What's the need for such a comment? You don't like it when people on MTF accuse Rafa of mentioning his injuries so why do you have a dig at Roger yourself?

I really don't know why people make such a fuss about the rankings. When you play well the results will follow and it will show in the ranking. Roger had a lot of points to defend from last year which he wasn't able to do. He has an advantage to other players that he can gain a lot of points in the next season. Will it happen? It has to be seen.
Will his career been overshadowed now that he has slipped down in the rankings? Of course not as nothing will ever take away what he has achieved in tennis.

I read a really good comment from Murray about Roger's situation:


Murray is not surprised that former world number one Federer's previous dominance has waned.

"He had three or four years of unbelievable consistency. It was incredible," said the Scot, who lost to Federer in the season's first Grand Slam the Austrsalian Open.

"That's almost impossible to keep, especially on the body.

"But at the later stages of big events he's one of the guys who are usually there. He's up there with the best in the world.

"It's not always about the rankings. If he's third or 10th, he still feels confident. He believes he can beat anyone."

Source: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/tennis/top-stories/Birthday-boy-Federer-looks-to-rise-again/articleshow/6277234.cms

ORGASMATRON
08-09-2010, 03:21 PM
u make too much of rankings lol.

Theef
08-09-2010, 03:58 PM
How can some say rankings don't matter? Isn't that what the ATP is all about? Otherwise what's the point in playing matches and collecting points? I suspect it would be an entirely different story if Federer was still number one, then we'd never hear the end of people crowing and gloating about how many weeks cummalatively he's been number one. That was the talking point not too long ago until it all went pear shaped. But now 'suddenly' rankings don't matter.

Weird.

Mats68
08-09-2010, 04:10 PM
What's the need for such a comment? You don't like it when people on MTF accuse Rafa of mentioning his injuries so why do you have a dig at Roger yourself?


The comment obviously refers to the fact that Federer almost never gives credit to his opponent when he loses. It's always because he didn't play well or he because was injured. Check his presser after his Berdych loss at Wimbledon. Granted, when you've dominated the game for 4 years or so, it's difficult to accept that someone actually can play better than you on a given day.

In any case, the days when he won everything are gone. He is entering a new stage in his career, now the rankings are not so important, the only target is to reach the final stages of Grand Slams where he's always dangerous. Who cares if he's 4 or 5 or 7, we all know that if he gets to a GS semi, he's favourite, together with Rafa.

Eden
08-09-2010, 04:14 PM
How can some say rankings don't matter? Isn't that what the ATP is all about? Otherwise what's the point in playing matches and collecting points? I suspect it would be an entirely different story if Federer was still number one, then we'd never hear the end of people crowing and gloating about how many weeks cummalatively he's been number one. That was the talking point not too long ago until it all went pear shaped. But now 'suddenly' rankings don't matter.

Weird.

Do you think it matters for Roger whether he is ranked #3, #4 or #5? Even Nadal made a comment about it when he was down in the rankings early this year that he didn't really cared where he would be ranked.

It's a normal development with age that you are going to slip in the rankings because your level sinks. Murray says it really well in his comment I think - Roger will be a dangerous player, no matter where he is ranked.

Would Roger love to be #1 and get the record? Of course. Would his fans love to see this happen? Of course. He missed a huge chance because he had it in his hands to get the record, but tennis isn't predictable.

Let's not forget that Rafa could have been #1 much earlier already with the amount of points he had in previous years. It's impossible to get every record in tennis or sport in general.

Everko
08-09-2010, 04:27 PM
He will fall down to 4 then maybe 5 when the season ends. That makes my beginning of the year prediction pretty spot on.

chazz
08-09-2010, 04:35 PM
for all the people that say they don't matter, i still find them fascinating, and they do matter because they reflect on how you have been playing the last year. i think a lot will depend on the next two masters, say if murray were to win the first, he would put himself in the driving seat, as would soderling or fed

henke007
08-09-2010, 04:44 PM
Roger will be 2nd again by the end of the year since Nole has alot to defend aswell about 4 K of points.

Johnny Groove
08-09-2010, 05:03 PM
From being the GOAT and for sure clinching the #1 weeks record in January to possibly falling to 5th in the rankings.

How the mighty fall quickly.

BigJohn
08-09-2010, 06:05 PM
He will fall down to 4 then maybe 5 when the season ends. That makes my beginning of the year prediction pretty spot on.

Spot on!


Federer himslef. His game has gone down a bit, just enough for the younger generation to catapult over him. Federer has enough game to stay competitive in masters. He will focus on the Slams. He will go deep in a few. But I am confiendt he will fail to win one next year.

All this equals Federer falling down to 5 or 6 in the rankings at the conslusion of 2010. and then the question is, will he be ready to play as the 5 or 6 player for 2011.




So #4 would be spot on how exactly? It would be spot on fail like your no Slam for Federer this year prediction or the Soderling prediction.

It's 5 or 6, #4 does not cut it. Your fans expect nothing less from you.

Fed Fan
08-09-2010, 06:37 PM
I don't say this with much in the way of special insight, but it seems that players genuinely care about "milestone" rankings. All players want to be the world number one, in the top five, top ten, top twenty etc. Players probably only get particularly worked up about being ranked seventh or eighth because it could make their tournament draws slightly easier.

Federer is probably the same. Remaining in the top five is a must and, sure, he'd rather be ranked third than fourth, but his main concern is trying to reclaim the number one ranking and securing an easier draw for the grand slams.

The Magician
08-09-2010, 06:49 PM
If Roger plays great he will breeze through a grand slam draw regardless of his ranking. If he plays like crap he won't win regardless as well, you simply can't win a GS playing poorly. You probably can't even make the semifinals unless your name is R.Nadal :o

Mechlan
08-09-2010, 07:48 PM
From being the GOAT and for sure clinching the #1 weeks record in January to possibly falling to 5th in the rankings.

How the mighty fall quickly.

He should have clinched the #1 weeks ranking, it took some pretty idiotic playing and decision making to not accomplish that. Even entering the clay season, it was pretty clear he would fall to #2 after RG. It's normal for a player his age, I would be surprised if he continued to be so high. It's quite unlikely he'll ever get #1 back. His focus should continue to be trying to peak at the slams.

Theef
08-09-2010, 07:53 PM
Do you think it matters for Roger whether he is ranked #3, #4 or #5? Even Nadal made a comment about it when he was down in the rankings early this year that he didn't really cared where he would be ranked.

It's a normal development with age that you are going to slip in the rankings because your level sinks. Murray says it really well in his comment I think - Roger will be a dangerous player, no matter where he is ranked.

Would Roger love to be #1 and get the record? Of course. Would his fans love to see this happen? Of course. He missed a huge chance because he had it in his hands to get the record, but tennis isn't predictable.

Let's not forget that Rafa could have been #1 much earlier already with the amount of points he had in previous years. It's impossible to get every record in tennis or sport in general.

Of course it matters. Federer cares about his ranking, whether it's 1, 3,4 or 5. This is the same guy who couldn't bear to be introduced as World No. 2 last year because it didn't 'sound right'. Now we're expected to believe the rankings mean little to him? The day he stops caring is the day that he hangs up his racquet for good. And so it should be.

Sapeod
08-09-2010, 08:04 PM
He will fall down to 4 then maybe 5 when the season ends. That makes my beginning of the year prediction pretty spot on.
What?
Federer will fall?
Remember, yo said Federer wouldn't win a slam this year?
Seems like your prediction isn't so spot on afterall. :lol:

Ibracadabra
08-09-2010, 08:13 PM
Well murrau and soderking wont win any of these three titles so i suggest roger will stay 3rd.

dombrfc
08-09-2010, 08:39 PM
But not to Federer. Remember, he's just "injured".

So so funny.

dombrfc
08-09-2010, 08:40 PM
He will fall down to 4 then maybe 5 when the season ends. That makes my beginning of the year prediction pretty spot on.

That he wont in a slam in 2010.. nah thats pretty wrong.

Nadal will fall - its called ageing.

sabina_RF_lee
08-09-2010, 09:22 PM
Roger is a great champion who stays in top3 for almost ten years, despite that he is already 29 he is world #3. And all start to say that he will fall to #4 or #5. You all forget that he is Federer, who won 16 GS. None of them Soder or Murray can be higher that Roger, they will never win even a single slam. So we will see what you all say after USO when Roger will win and will be #2 again and then #1.

Eden
08-09-2010, 09:47 PM
Roger is a great champion who stays in top3 for almost ten years, despite that he is already 29 he is world #3. And all start to say that he will fall to #4 or #5. You all forget that he is Federer, who won 16 GS. None of them Soder or Murray can be higher that Roger, they will never win even a single slam.

The ranking isn't based on the results of the past ;) Of course other players can be ranked higher as Roger when they have the better results in the running season.

One should never say never in tennis - Söderling and Murray have shown what they are capable of. They are still young players and have enough time to win a Slam :)

Beside this history has shown that you don't need to win a GS to be ranked as #1 in tennis.


So we will see what you all say after USO when Roger will win and will be #2 again and then #1.

One should always be a bit careful with predictions ;) Let's just wait and see what will happen. Rafa's #1 ranking is safe for a long time when I'm informed right. (I don't really pay attention to all these kind of stats)

Rafa had the best results in the past months and is therefore rightly the current #1.

ApproachShot
08-09-2010, 10:02 PM
Yes rankings are important and although they may not be every professional's primary concern, they can nonetheless act as a motivation for players to strive to make it further into tournaments.

Unless you want to argue with the validity of the way in which rankings are constructed and points allocated, the statistics (being an objective tool of analysis) do not lie. If you come to the question on whether or not someone (in your subjective opinion) deserves a particular ranking, then that is altogether a different proposition. Taking the latter interpretation, the ATP rankings might be construed as a little misleading.

Federer might be 3rd in the rankings - and may even slip to 5th by the end of the US Open - but other than Nadal, who is the clear no. 1 at the moment, I think most players would prefer to have Federer's year to date results than that of Djokovic, Murray or Soderling.

Another thing to bear in mind is how large points swings can mean that even large ranking point differences can disappear and reverse at various parts of the season (think back to the Federer/Nadal ranking point situations at FO & WIM in 2009 and 2010). In the event that Federer does slip to 4th or worse, I don't anticipate it will last for long as he has a lot to gain after the US Open and Djokovic has a lot to lose.

On a more philisophical note, I think there is merit in the argument that Federer's gradual decline in the rankings is perhaps only inevitable. Personally I don't believe that this process has begun in earnest and have hope that his 2011 season can be at least as good as his 2010, although after that a consistent but gradual decline would not surprise me. That said, on his day he will still be able to beat more or less anybody - especially at the major tournaments.