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Is it too late for David Nalbandian to be seeded at the US Open ?

garytennis
08-08-2010, 10:37 PM
David Nalbandian represents a danger for the seeded players at the US Open. He needs around 200 points to be seeded. Can he do it ?

FMD89
08-08-2010, 10:38 PM
no

Ibracadabra
08-08-2010, 10:39 PM
He can do it

a few players in the top 32 will be absent from injury

tennis fan474
08-08-2010, 10:40 PM
He uses his PR in USOPEN, so he can't be seeded in any case.

Filo V.
08-08-2010, 10:50 PM
He uses his PR in USOPEN, so he can't be seeded in any case.

Oh, is that a rule? Didn't know that, I generally know most of the rules.

But hypothetically speaking, he CAN do it, but will he? I personally think he's going to lose R1 to Ferrer in Toronto, so that would essentially take him out of chances unless he goes really deep at Cinci. We'll see.

nole_no1
08-08-2010, 10:52 PM
If he won't be seeded there is no problem
He will beat the other seeded players and the taste of victory will be bigger :)):cool:

_Chaz
08-08-2010, 10:54 PM
I think the rule is that he isnīt seeded with the "ranking" of the protected ranking (in his case itīs 15 or sth like that) but I assume he could be seeded with his normal ranking there.
I donīt know a rule about that, but to me itīs weird that a player canīt be seeded with his normal ranking because he got the entry with the protected one. That doesnīt really make sense.

tennis fan474
08-08-2010, 11:07 PM
I think the rule is that he isnīt seeded with the "ranking" of the protected ranking (in his case itīs 15 or sth like that) but I assume he could be seeded with his normal ranking there.
I donīt know a rule about that, but to me itīs weird that a player canīt be seeded with his normal ranking because he got the entry with the protected one. That doesnīt really make sense.

Well, That is the rule. You can ask ATP to change it.

Chip_s_m
08-09-2010, 12:21 AM
Sure he can be seeded. From the rulebook:

Seeds are players who are given preferential positions in the draw based on the ATP
Ranking. The selection and arrangement of seeds shall be based upon the most
recent ATP Ranking list (the protected ranking is not considered). Each tournament
shall have a seeded draw and there shall be only one seeding list. Seeding shall not
be official until the final draw is made. For doubles, seeded teams will be determined
by using the combined doubles ranking of the two players (entry protection not included).
Any vacancy created by the withdrawal of a seed, after the draw has been made but
prior to the release of the order of play for the first day of main draw, shall be filled
according to the procedures described under vacancies.
Protected Ranking is for Entry, Not Seeding
Case: May a player's protected ranking be used for seeding purposes?
Decision: No. The protected ranking position can be used for: 1.
entry into the qualifying competition and main draw, or 2. special
exempt position. It may not be used for: 1. seeding, or 2. lucky loser
order.

Looks pretty clear. The latest ATP ranking list determines the seeds. It doesn't say that players who have used a protective ranking aren't eligible, just that their protected ranking itself (#15 in Nalbandian's case) can't be "considered" for a seed. A protected ranking is different than a player. The protected ranking isn't eligible for a seed, but the player's actual ranking is.

Sonja1989
08-09-2010, 12:26 AM
Yes, he can. He will play quarterfinals in Cincinnati.

navy75
08-09-2010, 04:59 AM
Great find Chip. I think the seeding procedure is just as it should be, fwiw. Sure you may get a guy like Nalbandian who comes back from an injury as good as ever, but far more often than not many players get whipped time and again when using their protected rankings (see Pavel, Verkerk, etc). If anything, I would actually reduce the procedure and time frame given by protected ranking entries.

As far as Nalbandian climbing up the rankings enough to be seeded for the USO, I would lean pretty heavily towards the "no." Gun to my head I'd set the line at -200 no, +180 yes. I think he'll bow out in the first round at Toronto (first B2B tourneys in awhile combined with tough opening opponent), which will make his ability to get enough points in Cincy very draw-dependent. It will be very interesting to see how he follows up this week, that's for sure...

Serenidad
08-09-2010, 05:16 AM
I wish for Brands to achieve this too, but it is unlikely for Daniel.

Mario000
08-10-2010, 12:42 PM
he needs about 250-300 points so I think he will do it in Toronto and then withdraw from Cinci and prepare himself for USO. It think it is his last chance to win GS

Ad Wim
08-10-2010, 02:11 PM
He uses his PR in USOPEN, so he can't be seeded in any case.

No, this is no rule. He uses his PR to get directly into the tournament. But the seeding is based on the rankings one week before the US Open.

garytennis
08-10-2010, 02:14 PM
Don't forget Mario that Del Potro and Tsonga won't play the US Open, the N°34 will be seeded (this week, Fish has 1151 pts, only 186 more than Nalbandian).