Who is better, Berdych or Soderling?

similar styles, both have had a breakthrough year (soderling 2009), and have reached a final beating federer on the way.

In max potential, Berdych. Better rally shot, better mover, more precision, and could be argued he has better variety and volleys.

obviously Robin Soderling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Berdych I reckon is the most talented of the "big boys" (Soderling, Delpo, Birdy, Cilic).

But up till now, Soderling is just mentally stronger.

In max potential, Berdych. Better rally shot, better mover, more precision, and could be argued he has better variety and volleys.

Fully agree with this, and I would add that Berdych has impressive overhead from no man's land.

In max potential, Berdych. Better rally shot, better mover, more precision, and could be argued he has better variety and volleys.

Pretty much any player has more max potential than Soderling based on such comparison. Luckily for Sod he's got a top serve along with top groundstrokes and is better than most mentally aswell which is probably why he won their last meeting. Not much apart them other than that. You can't use drop shots very often or come to the net either all that much against Soderling because of his power, so variety becomes moot. Berdych didn't do anything but baseline in RG.

I'd say Soderling is the most spectacular shotmaker of all big boys, but also mentally fragile the most. Berdych seems to have a very laboured game style, but he is a bit more stable psychologically

The player I like better is the best. He is the best because I say so.

Berdych I reckon is the most talented of the "big boys" (Soderling, Delpo, Birdy, Cilic).

But up till now, Soderling is just mentally stronger.

Is he better than Del Potro? I don't know.

Berdych is way more talented. Soderling is more powerful and and more mentally stable.

Not much of a difference except that Robin leads the H2H and has 2 Slamfinals!!

I would argue that Robin has the better serve overall inkl 2nd serve with a higher servespeed and maybe a more devastating FH but its damn close.

Del Potro is the best of the 'Big Boys'.

Soderling and it's not even close.

Forehand: Berdych
Backhand: Soderling
Volleys: Berdych
Serve: Soderling
Return: Berdych
Movement: Berdych
Mentality: Soderling(?)

Forehand: Berdych
Backhand: Soderling
Volleys: Berdych
Serve: Soderling
Return: Berdych
Movement: Berdych
Mentality: Soderling(?)

Berdych's FH bigger than Sodas???

Overall his FH is better than Soderling's, that much is obvious.

If you asked this question after RG, everyone would pick Soderling. Asking it now, everyone will pick Berdych.

First, I wanna see Berdych's nerve on Sunday :)

Pretty even in talent. Different techniques and slightly different game styles.

If you asked this question after RG, everyone would pick Soderling. Asking it now, everyone will pick Berdych.

Yeah, this is why I think it's funny everyone dumping Sod and jumping on the Berdy bandwagon. We will see in time who produces bigger results from their big games.

Toad's shots just look fugly

Berdy !!!!!!!!!!!

You need more than a one-hit cannon that Soderling has. Berdych has a lot more to offer.

Don't know. Both better than 'delpo' though. Hope this helps.

If you asked this question after RG, everyone would pick Soderling. Asking it now, everyone will pick Berdych.

One has to wonder, what really is the difference right now compared to RG? Soderling beat Federer and Berdych there. Berdych beat Federer here. Both have beaten Murray and Djokovic "lately". Both have problems with Rafa. Then what is more telling than their actual h2h or last meeting?

You need more than a one-hit cannon that Soderling has. Berdych has a lot more to offer.

i think you are referring to the player in your Avatar :wavey:

Sod has a perfect Serve,FH and a great BH!!

Yeah, this is why I think it's funny everyone dumping Sod and jumping on the Berdy bandwagon. We will see in time who produces bigger results from their big games.

Not bandwagon. It was true before Wimbledon. It is true now.

Not bandwagon. It was true before Wimbledon. It is true now.

You have this poll in December 2009 and I guarantee you different results.

Berdych was lost for a good number of years.

Soderling highest level is higher but Berdych is a more complete player.

Berdych is a more complete player. He has better touch than Soderling. On the other hand, Soderling hits harder.
As to who is better - it's obviously pretty even. Time will tell, can't we leave it at that?

Soderling

when you have already earned nickname like "birdshit" and "mugerling" youre doomed and your future success is obviously fluke

when you have already earned nickname like "birdshit" and "mugerling" youre doomed and your future success is obviously flukeEveryone has insulting nicknames here, Einstein. And even the future successes are fluke? :haha: Go home.

Everyone has insulting nicknames here, Einstein. And even the future successes are fluke? :haha: Go home.

im already home, mr.nobody

Can't pick, but give me Berdych anyday, has a bit more variety to his game, plus the way he swings and just makes it look like he's generating effortless power is lovely to watch, plus I think he moves waaay better than Soderling for a tall guy.

Berdych is CLEARLY a better player. He was controlling the match at the French before he tired. He hits the ball cleaner, he moves significantly better, he volleys significantly better, return is much better, more consistent, more variety, only difference is the power, which Tomas counteracts with being better with his timing. It's not even close.

If you asked this question after RG, everyone would pick Soderling. Asking it now, everyone will pick Berdych.

No, actually, I thought Tomas was better than him and would win that match at the French and he was looking good being 2 sets to 1 with points for a break in the 4th. I can't see how anyone says Soderling is better.

Tomas, imho, is the 'more talented/alround/gifted' player (whatever that's supposed to mean :o), but the numbers don't lie - Soderling has made it to two GS finals, Berdych to one as of yet. Both of them are excellent 'giant killa's' when they're on, and that's admirable of the both of them. :)

i think you are referring to the player in your Avatar :wavey:

Sod has a perfect Serve,FH and a great BH!!

The one-shot canon almost brought Federer to his knees last year on his best surface. Unlike the one-shot cannon Soderling who seems to be the plaything of whoever makes the RG finals. When Soderling's mentality is down, all his strokes suffer. Roddick's serve will always be solid even when mentally pressured.

Berdych has begun to learn that.

Del Potro > Soderling > Berdych >>>>>>>> Cilic

But Berdych is still be improving, whereas Soda seems to be plateauing.

Maybe the should play doubles together!?

No, actually, I thought Tomas was better than him and would win that match at the French and he was looking good being 2 sets to 1 with points for a break in the 4th. I can't see how anyone says Soderling is better.

better Slam success + higher ranking

really even so far, expected i guess.. i'd go with berdych, as most have said better all around game.

Soderling with better movement. He already beat Berdych at RG. Both are dangerous players. You can't let them get in the lead.

Soderling with better movement. He already beat Berdych at RG. Both are dangerous players. You can't let them get in the lead.

Robin is NOT a better move than Tomas. Also, the question is, will Robin ever get past that "dangerous" tag and actually become a consistent winner against top players in all events? Tomas is making moves in that direction, Soderling hasn't yet.

better Slam success + higher ranking

OK, with that said, Roddick is more talented then both of them.

Robin is NOT a better move than Tomas. Also, the question is, will Robin ever get past that "dangerous" tag and actually become a consistent winner against top players in all events? Tomas is making moves in that direction, Soderling hasn't yet.
That's because Berdych hasn't played Nadal yet. ;)

For me, it's too hard to say. One thing that I can say though is I prefer Berdych's forehand. It seems more versatile, with a little more spin.

Well you hate Soderling and said that everyone who said he'd win that semi against Berdych were wrong, so theres no poin using reason here so I wont.


SODDY IS BETTER!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!!1!!

Well you hate Soderling and said that everyone who said he'd win that semi against Berdych were wrong, so theres no poin using reason here so I wont.


SODDY IS BETTER!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!!1!!

I don't hate Soderling. I like him, he's feisty and powerful. Most of his fans are either delusional and extremely defensive Swedes or bandwagoners. I can understand the Swedes backing up their man, but most of the other Soderling fans are gross with their behavior and lack tact.

I was wrong about that SF match, which I admitted. I was wrong about the result. I was right about Tomas outplaying Robin, he was throughout most of the match, and then he wilted. He got stronger from that moment and has matured, and to me is above Robin in overall level at this point.

Both more or less similar

Soderling overachieved so far imo, Berdych underachieved = equal

Berdych has a nicer game to watch and seems more natural in his game, he has more talent

But Soderling maximized his potential better

50-50

That's because Berdych hasn't played Nadal yet. ;)

Robin failed to make either match at Wimbledon or the French competitive. If Tomas makes the match with Rafa competitive, that pretty much further adds to the point I made, that Tomas can legitimately be grouped with the top dogs, where as Robin is just "dangerous".

Robin failed to make either match at Wimbledon or the French competitive. If Tomas makes the match with Rafa competitive, that pretty much further adds to the point I made, that Tomas can legitimately be grouped with the top dogs, where as Robin is just "dangerous".
I don't see Berdych making it any more competitive. Soderling did win a set on Nadal and almost took the second and third. Nadal had break points against him in the second and a close tiebreaker.

I don't see Berdych making it any more competitive. Soderling did win a set on Nadal and almost took the second and third. Nadal had break points against him in the second and a close tiebreaker.

It was a comfortable win for Rafa, but you're right, it wasn't a blowout. Robin kept it close, he just didn't threaten to actually win the match, really. So it will be interesting to see if Tomas can do so. I don't think he'll make it competitive at all, but that has a lot to do with Rafa and the match up.

Personally, I just see Tomas as more of a legitimate "he will win X match" player, instead of just "he's a threat to win when he's on" player. He's stepped past that dangerous level and into the top players category.

Nadal had 2 outside lines in the breaker lol@ Soda not making that match competitive uppuntill that.

Rafa also had 2 netcords in the first servicegame Sod lost in the 4th set!!

Flyboy you really don't know what you are talking about saying that Robin isn't grouped with the topdogs. He has been there steady for a year soon and defended his FO final def Cilic in str8s, Federer in 4 and was mentally tuffer against Tomas in the semi. Lets see if Tomas defends his Wimbledon final next year shall we!!

6-3 h2h for Robin

I don't hate Soderling. I like him, he's feisty and powerful. Most of his fans are either delusional and extremely defensive Swedes or bandwagoners. I can understand the Swedes backing up their man, but most of the other Soderling fans are gross with their behavior and lack tact.And this from a Nadaltard. :crazy:

Also, "Robin is just dangerous"? He's ranked world #5 as of next week and he's beaten Nadal & Federer in slams. :rolleyes: He fights with the "top dogs" on the same conditions as Berdych.

That's because Berdych hasn't played Nadal yet. ;)

Are you sure about that? :scratch:

Are you sure about that? :scratch:
90% certain that Berdych will fall similar to how Soderling fell. Murray was Nadal's biggest threat imo. Unless Nadal plays terrible, I see a somewhat easy match.

Well Actually Haase, Petzhner and Sod are the only ones that took a set of Rafa so lets see what Tomas can do. In all fair opinion Nole and Murray had joke draws and their Semi showings reflected that.

If Berdych wins against Nadal on that final he surely will be remembered as better than Soderling.

Berdych is superior mover with more variety and his mechanics might be better on fast courts.

Söderling is obviously more powerful with every shot.

I understand all the arguments, I want to see if Robin can actually back up the win v. Federer somewhere else, as he has failed to do with Rafa outside of the end last year when Rafa was not 100%. Secondly, I need to see Robin perform better at AO, and do a bit better outside of GS events. So, due to consistency, in matches and season, I don't put Soderling in the top group. He can strike when he's hot and beat top guys, but that's the definition of dangerous, which is my whole point.

Soderling:D

They are very even. The subtleties that distinguish their strengths have been discussed already.

Both right now are in that top 8-9 dangerous player category. But until one of them proves they can win a Slam (usually getting through Nadal, Federer, or both) then there is no good way to distinguish them.

Personally as a Nadal fan I am much more fearful on Soderling on any surface than Berdych. He strikes the ball much harder and when he is clicking is one of the most impressive hitters I have ever seen.

I understand all the arguments, I want to see if Robin can actually back up the win v. Federer somewhere else, as he has failed to do with Rafa outside of the end last year when Rafa was not 100%. Secondly, I need to see Robin perform better at AO, and do a bit better outside of GS events. So, due to consistency, in matches and season, I don't put Soderling in the top group. He can strike when he's hot and beat top guys, but that's the definition of dangerous, which is my whole point.

B2B semis at Iw and Miami Win in Rotterdam and Final in Barcelona says :wavey:

Berdych is better.

tomorrow's final will tell

30-30 in the poll :speakles:

Berdych is better, Toad has some more balls.

currently better is berdych. soderling was overall awful in the QF against rafa.

berdych beat fed @ W
much tougher than beating fed @ RG!

sod beat nadal at RG last yr, but sod form no where near that this year

t-berd has the better all-around game and higher court IQ.

In max potential, Berdych. Better rally shot, better mover, more precision, and could be argued he has better variety and volleys.

This.;)

currently better is berdych. soderling was overall awful in the QF against rafa.

berdych beat fed @ W
much tougher than beating fed @ RG!

sod beat nadal at RG last yr, but sod form no where near that this year

Did you actually saw the matches you are talking about ? Roger played a superb first set against Robin at RG. While against Berdych (and the whole Wimbledon for that matter) Fed was out of it,because he couldn't move like he wanted to.

This thread just shows the power of the bandwagon. LMAO at people saying that Berdych is more consistent than Soderling. If that's the case then why does Soderling have a better ranking, 2 GS finals while Berdych has one and a better H2H (6-3) ?

Söderling and Berdych, can only compare until this time last year as Söderling's last match was the title in Båstad.

Gago summed it up technically Berdych is better, but Söderling has had the bigger performances.

Berdych has a better overall game, i think he has the best game of all big hitter, though his mental focus and toughness is just bad, Soderling has more belief than him.

Too tough. If I have to pick one I'd have to say Berdych but if I had to pick someone I'd want to play on my behalf if my life was on the line I'd pick Soderling (at least it would be 50-50)...

Soderling for me. They are both one dimensional but Berdych more so.

Soderling