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Can Federer win the US Open?

ORGASMATRON
06-30-2010, 11:06 PM
After Rogers loss today i didnt even feel very disappointed because it was the exact same thing that happened against Soderling. Im kinda numb to it now. He seemed stubborn during the match and didnt want to take any blame for the loss afterwards. Do you think this kind of denial and stubbornness will help him to pull it together and end the year with another slam win, or do you think it will be his downfall? Personally i think he will keep losing to the ballbashers(sod, berdych, delpo) if he stays stubborn and does not adapt.

Two losses in quarter finals now is pretty poor performance for someone who used to make finals 18/19 times. This is an all time low and concerns me. I feel like he still has the game and isnt nearly too old. But he needs to change tactics against ballbashers and stop thinking he can match them from the back court.

Do you think he will adapt and come back to win the USO? Or do you think he will just continue to be stubborn and hope he doesnt meet those players in a slam? From his press conference he still seems very stubborn, this time blaming the injury.

So do you think he will win the USO?

Silvester
06-30-2010, 11:09 PM
He certainly CAN, however CAN and WILL is a different story. It really depends which Federer shows up come time for the USO. He has some time off now to rest his injuries which are becoming more frequent, it took him quite some time to get over the lung infection and missed lots last year with the Mono and back problems.
He still has the ability to be a threat at GS's however he isn't going to win everything.

Nidhogg
06-30-2010, 11:10 PM
Of course he can, but it would serve him well to build up some momentum and get on a bit of a roll prior to it. I look forward to seeing him in Canada (is it Toronto this year?) and Cincinatti.

Sunset of Age
06-30-2010, 11:12 PM
Why not wait to see how he'll do in Cincy and Canada first?

angry1
06-30-2010, 11:13 PM
Yes he can.

Unless Djokovic wins Wimbledon he'd be my tip.

ORGASMATRON
06-30-2010, 11:14 PM
Why not wait to see how he'll do in Cincy and Canada first?

we all know hes gonna clown in up in the MM events again.

Sunset of Age
06-30-2010, 11:15 PM
we all know hes gonna clown in up in the MM events again.

In that case, his chances at the USO will be zilch.
Unless you still believe in Magical GS Buttons that he can turn on any time he wants. I don't.

ShotmaKer
06-30-2010, 11:15 PM
Why not wait to see how he'll do in Cincy and Canada first?

this.

A_Skywalker
06-30-2010, 11:16 PM
If he doesnt have mono, pneumonia, back and leg problems he will win it.

Andi-M
06-30-2010, 11:16 PM
If his back, leg, arm, shoulder, toe, fingernail has healed by September than he will walk it.

djb84xi
06-30-2010, 11:17 PM
Of course he can, but it would serve him well to build up some momentum and get on a bit of a roll prior to it. I look forward to seeing him in Canada (is it Toronto this year?) and Cincinatti.

Yep, it's Toronto this year. It'll be good for him to build momentum in Canada and Cincy. As to whether or not that momentum will carry into NY will be a different story. It would surprise me if he doesn't win some kind of event before the US Open.

ORGASMATRON
06-30-2010, 11:17 PM
In that case, his chances at the USO will be zilch.
Unless you still believe in Magical GS Buttons that he can turn on any time he wants. I don't.

If he doesnt have mono, pneumonia, back and leg problems he will win it.

If his back, leg, arm, shoulder, toe, fingernail has healed by September than he will walk it.

:haha::haha::haha:

well at least your giving me some comic relief :p

Sunset of Age
06-30-2010, 11:19 PM
:haha::haha::haha:

well at least your giving me some comic relief :p

Glad to provide you a helping. :hatoff:

:silly:

Mike_Hunt
06-30-2010, 11:20 PM
No.

Next!

Persimmon
06-30-2010, 11:20 PM
Yes. He has better chances at the faster slams like USO.

The slower slams like FO and Wimbledon(green clay), no.

MIMIC
06-30-2010, 11:22 PM
Bigger question: can he win Basel?

ORGASMATRON
06-30-2010, 11:23 PM
Glad to provide you a helping. :hatoff:

:silly:

:kiss:

allpro
06-30-2010, 11:28 PM
no.

abraxas21
07-01-2010, 12:23 AM
Can he? Yes.

Will he? No.

octatennis
07-01-2010, 01:12 AM
Right now he has as much chances as the rest of the top-8.

zeluvaa
07-01-2010, 01:16 AM
He CAN if he regroups and get his act together. But I don't think he WILL, but he will definitely go deep. But we will have to see how he performs in Toronto and Cincinnati to know for sure.

marvin0211
07-01-2010, 01:34 AM
another orgasmic thread

Aloevera
07-01-2010, 03:31 AM
Federer can do it, of course. He has a big chance to win USO if he does well in summer hard court season. But it also depends on WHO will be the hottest player during that season. In 2007 it was Djokovic, 2008 was Murray, 2009 was Del Potro, 2010 (?)

Manequin75
07-01-2010, 03:36 AM
he will still be the favorite to win the US Open regardless of where his ranking will be. Rafa had a similar bad stretch last year. Roger will bounce back.

heartbroken
07-01-2010, 03:40 AM
I feel like he still has the game and isnt nearly too old. But he needs to change tactics against ballbashers and stop thinking he can match them from the back court.

Do you think he will adapt and come back to win the USO? Or do you think he will just continue to be stubborn and hope he doesnt meet those players in a slam? From his press conference he still seems very stubborn, this time blaming the injury.

So do you think he will win the USO?

I think Fed can pull out another slam, maybe even a couple more. But don't underestimate the effects of aging. Sure, it's not like he's an old man out on the court! He's still a fine athlete, and for the most part, his body has served him well during his career. Having said that, the man has racked up a lot of mileage running around tennis courts over the years. Some defy aging better than others, but it takes a toll on everyone eventually.

I think it's natural for fans to think that a player can just keep it going, or that the decline will always be gradual. But the physical and mental toll can cause some players to just hit a wall. I'm not saying that has happened to Fed, but I would certainly understand if it has. If it hasn't, I think he can still be a threat to win more majors, and he's always been strong at the USO.

Health and luck will continue to play a part, as they do for all players... :wavey:

Dave

.-Federers_Mate-.
07-01-2010, 08:24 AM
of cousre he can, he has done it many times before.

RIboy
07-01-2010, 08:25 AM
maybe on senior tour against muster

Rafaspin
07-01-2010, 08:25 AM
Rafa for the CGS!

Commander Data
07-01-2010, 09:03 AM
Glad to provide you a helping. :hatoff:

:silly:

:haha:

good jokes there Karin ;) sorry could not resist....

Commander Data
07-01-2010, 09:06 AM
Federer is now in the league of Nole Murray and Nadal on HC. Lets fact it he also lost to clown before his leg/back problems of yesterday. He has a chance but he is not the clear cut fav anymore.
At his current level he should win about 1 Slam per year. I think he needs some luck to win US Open. Unless he appears in a different form this fall then we have seen since AO.Then again there is no logical reason why he can not show AO form at the right moment, in that case he will win it virtually certain.

ORGASMATRON
07-01-2010, 10:05 AM
I think Fed can pull out another slam, maybe even a couple more. But don't underestimate the effects of aging. Sure, it's not like he's an old man out on the court! He's still a fine athlete, and for the most part, his body has served him well during his career. Having said that, the man has racked up a lot of mileage running around tennis courts over the years. Some defy aging better than others, but it takes a toll on everyone eventually.

I think it's natural for fans to think that a player can just keep it going, or that the decline will always be gradual. But the physical and mental toll can cause some players to just hit a wall. I'm not saying that has happened to Fed, but I would certainly understand if it has. If it hasn't, I think he can still be a threat to win more majors, and he's always been strong at the USO.

Health and luck will continue to play a part, as they do for all players... :wavey:

Dave

hi Dave, long time no see old sport ;) you make the best post of the thread so far. the part about hitting a wall could well be true. its something i have been thinking about but have not put into words. all those years at the top at that level of competition eventually starts taking its toll on a player mentally. i have actually noticed this at the 2007 USO already. the day to day pressure of being in the number one spot and everyone thinking you must win every slam you play must take its toll eventually. the same thing happened to Sampras at about the same age. i just thought roger could maybe last longer because he plays for fun and the love of the game more than anything. but maybe i was wrong. i still feel like he is being stubborn though and if he would stop being stubborn that he could at least reach the 20 mark in slams.

born_on_clay
07-01-2010, 10:12 AM
hard to say right now. It's a long road to go before US Open

Johnny_Bravo
07-01-2010, 10:26 AM
Paul-Henri Mathieu has bigger chances to win this year's US open than federror.

and i'm not kiddin btw. why such questions regarding roger,after so much blow jobs he gave this year?

and i ain't any fed hater or rafa big fan either but lets face it,fed time is over.it was a long and good ride,but it's time for some younger guns to step up.

HarryMan
07-01-2010, 10:32 AM
Of course he can but whether he will is no longer a guarantee like it was between 04-07.

The big hard flat hitters don't have much problem with Federer's passive play on his backhand side and will continue their success against him.

He needs to be more aggressive and stop being adamant about his decline. He is no longer the player he once was. Every player in the past has gone through this decline and it is up to the player to understand their limitations and try working around those weakness (and accept reality).

Baghdatis72
07-01-2010, 10:37 AM
Can he do it? Yes.
Will he do it? Probably not.

star
07-01-2010, 10:37 AM
This is a ridiculous poll.

First, it's too early to tell; second, there's quite a difference between "can" and "will;" and third no one can have a well informed idea about Federer's chances right now.

Why don't you start a poll for the year end championships and the Australian Open while you're at it? :rolleyes:

scoobs
07-01-2010, 10:39 AM
Paul-Henri Mathieu has bigger chances to win this year's US open than federror.

and i'm not kiddin btw. why such questions regarding roger,after so much blow jobs he gave this year?

and i ain't any fed hater or rafa big fan either but lets face it,fed time is over.it was a long and good ride,but it's time for some younger guns to step up.
If you're a Mathieu supporter why can't you spell the name correctly in the signature?

ORGASMATRON
07-01-2010, 10:39 AM
This is a ridiculous poll.

First, it's too early to tell; second, there's quite a difference between "can" and "will;" and third no one can have a well informed idea about Federer's chances right now.

Why don't you start a poll for the year end championships and the Australian Open while you're at it? :rolleyes:

no. get over it.

Bilbo
07-01-2010, 10:40 AM
I don't see him winning another slam

Johnny_Bravo
07-01-2010, 10:42 AM
If you're a Mathieu supporter why can't you spell the name correctly in the signature?

my bad, was drunk that night when he beat youzhny:devil:

kooties
07-01-2010, 11:55 AM
Federer should S&V more against the bashers!One needs to take away their the pace and the rhythm.

Nadal and Murray are the two best defensive baseliners and even they can get blown off the court, so I don't think it's wise if Federer tries to do it as well.

I'll fanboy him if he does :D

as for the original question, I would still think that he's the favorite for the title at New York, I mean it's Federer, the greatest hard-courter of all time.

MacTheKnife
07-01-2010, 12:32 PM
Let's see, he's won it 5 times. So I'm going way out on a limb here and say, yes he "can"..

Clay Death
07-01-2010, 01:32 PM
Let's see, he's won it 5 times. So I'm going way out on a limb here and say, yes he "can"..

he also has 6 wimbledon titles.

i got a chance to see his match again. i am seeing a lot of loss of belief.

he will no longer be the favorite. murray, clay warrior, and djokovic may get in the way.

Tonkie13
07-01-2010, 01:34 PM
of course he can do it, but the question is will he, he's not very fit right now,. hope that changes when the hardcourts come around the corner, i need some federer!

ShotmaKer
07-01-2010, 01:44 PM
he also has 6 wimbledon titles.

i got a chance to see his match again. i am seeing a lot of loss of belief.

he will no longer be the favorite. murray, clay warrior, and djokovic may get in the way.

don't write him off just yet.

ys
07-01-2010, 01:49 PM
Absolutely. As long as someone else takes out the guy who owns him.

Priam
07-01-2010, 01:50 PM
With a soft draw and some luck anything is possible, no?

Clay Death
07-01-2010, 01:51 PM
don't write him off just yet.


he will be one of the favorite there old sport, just not the heavy favorite as in the past.

they (experts and the insiders) were talking about it yesterday. in simple terms, the game may be passing him by.

he will need one hell of a draw and then he will need somebody other than murray or nadal in the final. it does become tricky for him now as he is not getting any younger.

i saw the match again. berdych said there was nothing wrong with him. i am also not buying the injures and the excuses now that i have had a chance to see the match again.

berdych just blew him off the court with his easy power. d-pot did the same to him at u.s. open.

ys
07-01-2010, 01:52 PM
But generally, I think, it will be more difficult.. Older guys tend to have problems winning there, as they are not handling Super-Saturday/Sunday system as well as younger guys. The only two times in, like , last 20 years the guy older than 28 won US Open, was Sampras-2002 and Agassi-1999. In both cases they played in a final someone of the same age or older.

Clay Death
07-01-2010, 01:53 PM
But generally, I think, it will be more difficult.. Older guys tend to have problems winning there, as they are not handling Super-Saturday/Sunday system as well as younger guys. The only two times in, like , last 20 years the guy older than 28 won US Open, was Sampras-2002 and Agassi-1999. In both cases they played in a final someone of the same age or older.



a point to be noted old sport.

MacTheKnife
07-01-2010, 01:53 PM
he also has 6 wimbledon titles.

i got a chance to see his match again. i am seeing a lot of loss of belief.

he will no longer be the favorite. murray, clay warrior, and djokovic may get in the way.


I agree, but it's nothing we haven't seen before at MS events. Just first time at majors. That's the general progression for aging tennis players. The problem his opponents will have now is they will begin to underestimate him.. Serious mistake.. LOL.. it's already happening on mtf..
The guy will be dangerous in every event for a few more years yet.. count on it..

Clay Death
07-01-2010, 01:57 PM
I agree, but it's nothing we haven't seen before at MS events. Just first time at majors. That's the general progression for aging tennis players. The problem his opponents will have now is they will begin to underestimate him.. Serious mistake.. LOL.. it's already happening on mtf..
The guy will be dangerous in every event for a few more years yet.. count on it..


we may need to consider another factor glen.

we need to see if he can make some sort of impression in toronto and in cincy. he is defending cincy. should be interesting.

Fedicilous
07-01-2010, 01:59 PM
No.

Federer is well past his average. He is beatable for everyone from the Top 20. Like I thought after Halle, Australian Open was his last career Slam.

ys
07-01-2010, 02:03 PM
No.

Federer is well past his average. He is beatable for everyone from the Top 20.

This is not true. He still is the cleanest striker of the ball, and his forehand is still the best hard-court shot. To me he is a favourite in Queens, but slight favourite, so some luck would be very helpful for him.

MacTheKnife
07-01-2010, 02:04 PM
we may need to consider another factor glen.

we need to see if he can make some sort of impression in toronto and in cincy. he is defending cincy. should be interesting.

Agreed, but if he is really having back issues it will most likely worsen on the HCs if he goes full-bore. Would not be surprising to me to see him cruise through the summer HCs exercising minimal effort in order to prepare for NY. But you're right, this result will make for an interesting summer.

ShotmaKer
07-01-2010, 02:05 PM
he will be one of the favorite there old sport, just not the heavy favorite as in the past.

they (experts and the insiders) were talking about it yesterday. in simple terms, the game may be passing him by.

he will need one hell of a draw and then he will need somebody other than murray or nadal in the final. it does become tricky for him now as he is not getting any younger.

i saw the match again. berdych said there was nothing wrong with him. i am also not buying the injures and the excuses now that i have had a chance to see the match again.

berdych just blew him off the court with his easy power. d-pot did the same to him at u.s. open.

good for you. guys like Federer and Nadal have been written off a million times before on these boards. i just assumed you knew better than that.

Clay Death
07-01-2010, 02:14 PM
good for you. guys like Federer and Nadal have been written off a million times before on these boards. i just assumed you knew better than that.


lets be real here old sport.

who but a fool would say that we--sitting in our living rooms---know more than the competing pros, all time greats, and other true insiders that are actually watching all this unfold a few feet away from where it is all happening.

and its not rocket science. berdych showed how fed can be steamrolled. there are people that have been covering this sport for decades. and they get to have the ringside seat.

do you really want to tell them that they dont know what they are talking about?

i will be honest with you. fed may not be done playing but he is ever so close to never winning another major. journey of a 1000 miles also ends in a single step. i may have seen a glimpse of that end yesterday.

federereeeeeeeeesians will just have to be satisfied with his 16 slams. that is as good as it gets.

Clay Death
07-01-2010, 02:17 PM
Agreed, but if he is really having back issues it will most likely worsen on the HCs if he goes full-bore. Would not be surprising to me to see him cruise through the summer HCs exercising minimal effort in order to prepare for NY. But you're right, this result will make for an interesting summer.



good point. them hard courts are hell on the body to begin with.

ShotmaKer
07-01-2010, 02:20 PM
lets be real here old sport.

who but a fool would say that we--sitting in our living rooms---know more than the competing pros, all time greats, and other true insiders that are actually watching all this unfold a few feet away from where it is all happening.

and its not rocket science. berdych showed how fed can be steamrolled. there are people that have been covering this sport for decades. and they get to have the ringside seat.

do you really want to tell them that they dont know what they are talking about?

i will be honest with you. fed may not be done playing but he is ever so close to never winning another major. journey of a 1000 miles also ends in a single step. i may have seen a glimpse of that end yesterday.

federereeeeeeeeesians will just have to be satisfied with his 16 slams. that is as good as it gets.

again, good for you. what do you want me to say ? that's the way you see things then so be it. my only problem was i assumed you knew better than just writing him off. it would not be the first time that your so called "insider experts" might have to eat their own words if they indeed said he's done and done. enjoy it while you can.

tennis2tennis
07-01-2010, 02:22 PM
Of course he can, but it would serve him well to build up some momentum and get on a bit of a roll prior to it. I look forward to seeing him in Canada (is it Toronto this year?) and Cincinatti.

agreed!

MacTheKnife
07-01-2010, 02:27 PM
again, good for you. what do you want me to say ? that's the way you see things then so be it. my only problem was i assumed you knew better than just writing him off. it would not be the first time that your so called "insider experts" might have to eat their own words if they indeed said he's done and done. enjoy it while you can.

The so called insider experts are simply saying what the public wants to hear. These guys are simply sales people that sell the sport and make comments that promote instead of analyze.

My favorite McEnroe has become one of the worst. He will kiss the ass of who ever's on top at the moment. Quite disgusting really. It is a time when one must trust their own eyes and evaluate what is before us.. not always easy to do, specially when there is biased interest in one or more of those being evaluated..

Clay Death
07-01-2010, 02:30 PM
again, good for you. what do you want me to say ? that's the way you see things then so be it. my only problem was i assumed you knew better than just writing him off. it would not be the first time that your so called "insider experts" might have to eat their own words if they indeed said he's done and done. enjoy it while you can.



care to clarify exactly what it is that i am "enjoying"? or not "enjoying" for that matter.

fed and nadal have taken the sport to amazing heights and they both have revolutionized the sport. so you--who claim to love the sport above all--know just how critical they both are for the sport.

dispense with your reckless assumptions. do it.

i happen to know how intelligent you are.

Commander Data
07-01-2010, 02:35 PM
Nobody of the top players beside Federer would be called dead after losing two 1/4 Slam finals in a row. Murray, Nole, Nadal. We would not think they are done if that happened to them. Past greats: Sampras, Agassi, Pmac etc.. not winning RG or Wimbledon in a one year was not a sign that they are done.

I think we are too harsh to Federer. He is still there competing at the top. I think he now just descended to the normal level where you say: "1 Slam a year makes for a good year".

swebright
07-01-2010, 02:38 PM
Anybody remember how people beat down on Sampras after he had slowed down??
All the insults coming from the media, fan and other players. And demanding his retirement.

Roger has to perform better at TMS event to stay in top 10. His points are collected from last years slam's appearance and come early next year, can he possibly be out of top 10?? Grrrrrrrrrah .

Clay Death
07-01-2010, 02:42 PM
Nobody of the top players beside Federer would be called dead after losing two 1/4 Slam finals in a row. Murray, Nole, Nadal. We would not think they are done if that happened to them. Past greats: Sampras, Agassi, Pmac etc.. not winning RG or Wimbledon in a one year was not a sign that they are done.

I think we are too harsh to Federer. He is still there competing at the top. I think he now just descended to the normal level where you say: "1 Slam a year makes for a good year".


good post commander.

i really do believe that additional slams becomes a more difficult proposition for him given the dynamics and the trends of the sport in place now.

and he is 29 in a month or so.

ossie
07-01-2010, 02:45 PM
its going to be tough but i think he has a good shot

nalbyfan
07-01-2010, 02:51 PM
I would become a none if RF won USO...there are too many talented players able to take care of him...i'm not even sure that he can win a MS !!!

Commander Data
07-01-2010, 02:53 PM
good post commander.

i really do believe that additional slams becomes a more difficult proposition for him given the dynamics and the trends of the sport in place now.

and he is 29 in a month or so.

Thanks CD. Good talking to you.
If Fed does not make it to 18 Slams I would consider the later stage of his career a failure.

I know it is harsh. But Federer is the GOAT. We should expect him to bounce back and do some damage. Other greats have done so too. I'm less worried about his physical state then his mental. He needs great mental toughness to come back, thats for sure.

Clay Death
07-01-2010, 02:56 PM
Thanks CD. Good talking to you.
If Fed does not make it to 18 Slams I would consider the later stage of his career a failure.

I know it is harsh. But Federer is the GOAT. We should expect him to bounce back and do some damage. Other greats have done so too. I'm less worried about his physical state then his mental. He needs great mental toughness to come back, thats for sure.

i wonder if he needs some time away from the sport. some excellent points on your part commander about the "mental state". he should not be feeling vulnerable given his amazing success on the biggest stages in the sport.

that is what did borg in. there was nothing wrong with borg physically.

it may be time to refresh, rejuvenate, refurbish, recharge, and rethink.

and finally, what about the motivation factor? he is out there but he is just miserable when he is not having his way on the court.

MacTheKnife
07-01-2010, 03:04 PM
Federer is facing what all of them do. Aging body, slowing movement and eye sight, and shifting priorities. (kids/family)
Things just eventually become more important than tennis. Sometimes, even before they consciously realize it.. He will have more nagging injuries, and they will begin to take longer to heal.

He will still have his moments and make his runs in certain events. He will grab a couple more before it's all said and done.

ShotmaKer
07-01-2010, 03:07 PM
Federer is facing what all of them do. Aging body, slowing movement and eye sight, and shifting priorities. (kids/family)
Things just eventually become more important than tennis. Sometimes, even before they consciously realize it.. He will have more nagging injuries, and they will begin to take longer to heal.

He will still have his moments and make his runs in certain events. He will grab a couple more before it's all said and done.

bummer i can't rep you again just yet.

tyruk14
07-01-2010, 03:20 PM
Not likely.

Xristos
07-01-2010, 03:25 PM
He can but he wont.

Sophocles
07-01-2010, 03:31 PM
What this year? Don't know about that. But it's certainly not impossible he could have another couple of runs in slams similar to the one at this year's A.O. He's only 6 months older than he was then. It's a question of how much he wants it. Those last 2 slams may be as hard to win as his first 11.

Clay Death
07-01-2010, 03:35 PM
time wounds all heels.

Joao
07-01-2010, 04:04 PM
He did it in 2008 at a time when nothing was going right for him: he had mono, he won just 1 title (a weak clay event) before the USO, he suffered a humiliating loss at the FO and a heart-breaking one at Wimbledon, he was 0-3 at GS, went out early at most MS and everybody was pretty much saying that he was done!
Of course he was 2 years younger but 2008 was worse than 2010 and he came back ... so I don't see why it won't happen again ... all he need is a confidence booster before the USO (maybe reach a MS finals beating a couple of the guys he's been losing to).

Branimir
07-01-2010, 04:09 PM
Can a 6 time USO champion and last year's finalist win USO?
No he can't.

Clay Death
07-01-2010, 04:16 PM
He can but he wont.



affirmative. it is a tough road ahead for him.

ORGASMATRON
07-01-2010, 04:28 PM
affirmative. it is a tough road ahead for him.

nice seeing you make a positive contribution to my thread for a change. there may be hope for you yet old sport.

nastoff
07-01-2010, 04:30 PM
Maybe semis if he's lucky. He'll probably be no 4 by the time the US Open starts, so it'll be a good showing to make semis.

HDW
07-01-2010, 05:31 PM
I don't see him winning another slam tbh

Mateya
07-01-2010, 06:26 PM
NO.

He lost to his bitch Soda in Roland Garros QF
He lost to freaking Tomaš in Wimbledon QF

Don't have to be a genius to think he may be done what slams are concerned. He can do it with a great draw, but I doubt it.
Even more, it's played on hardcourt where he's been the most vounarable anyway.
:wavey:

FormerRafaFan
07-01-2010, 10:08 PM
I said yes. It's his favorite surface, and well, this is Fed. He always seem to pull through, not lately perhaps, lol, but.. I think he has a shot.

betowiec
07-02-2010, 01:36 AM
next thing for roger is to lose in the first round of a grand slam(almost happened in wimbledon)

dombrfc
07-02-2010, 01:38 AM
He can.

He probably wont.

DualMedia
07-02-2010, 01:39 AM
yeah, just like 2009! oops, he didnt win!

mark73
07-02-2010, 02:59 AM
Federer has nine lives. He has been declared dead so many times. :)

Filo V.
07-02-2010, 03:21 AM
Yes, he is a threat to win any major his name is entered in. He is still a top 5/8 player right now at an injured/reduced level. With that said, he is no longer the favorite at the US Open. If JMDP is able to return, he is right there. Soderling can beat him. Nole can beat him. In fact, he's as extremely vulnerable to big hitters at the US Open as he is Wimbledon or the French, and even though the bounce is lower (and that's sort of questionable) at Wimbledon and the clay is slower and able to give guys time to smack the ball, the US Open courts are very fast and he'll have less time to react and defend. Hard courts should actually help him quite a bit, but he's just not the #1 guy, and can't be seen as such until he shows he can show a GS winning level again.

Mimi
07-02-2010, 04:02 AM
of course he can :cool:

bayvalle
07-02-2010, 04:23 AM
The issue may not be so much about his capability to win the US Open. It's his desire to continue playing. As a Fed fan, I see Roger as one who has alrady lost desire to play (and win). Is it due to age or health? Or a combination of both? When Fed shook hands with Berdych last week, many noticed on television that he was so sad as if he wanted to tell Tomas, "this is my last tournament, and please say thanks to all our friends)'.

Now at the crossroads of an ailing career, Fed may no longer surprise his fans if he comes out next month with a statement cancelling his participation in the upcoming US Open (or any other tournaments for that matter). If this happens, one question that his fans would frantically be asking is, will Fed's 16 GS record stay up there?

Being still young as he is, Rafa (the one known for his "I will kill you, bastard" look)has the best chance (among the current players) to come near or even break Fed's record of 16. Rafa may have already started his run by winning the last French Open. If he wins this year's Wimbledon and US Open, he gets 9 by yearend, just 5 to go to equal Pete's 14, and just 7 more to equal's Fed's 16. According to John McEnroe, Nadal could pocket a total of 13 trophies (including a rare calendar slam). Mathematically, it's possible for Nadal to break Fed's record.

Paging Roger.

heartbroken
07-02-2010, 04:25 AM
hi Dave, long time no see old sport ;) you make the best post of the thread so far. the part about hitting a wall could well be true. its something i have been thinking about but have not put into words. all those years at the top at that level of competition eventually starts taking its toll on a player mentally. i have actually noticed this at the 2007 USO already. the day to day pressure of being in the number one spot and everyone thinking you must win every slam you play must take its toll eventually. the same thing happened to Sampras at about the same age. i just thought roger could maybe last longer because he plays for fun and the love of the game more than anything. but maybe i was wrong. i still feel like he is being stubborn though and if he would stop being stubborn that he could at least reach the 20 mark in slams.

Hey Ruan! Yep, things got awfully busy for me over the past year. I probably haven't averaged four hours of sleep, so not much time to talk tennis...

It is definitely tricky to tell if he has hit that proverbial wall, or if there's still another rebound in his future. I honestly don't know the answer to that one. I thought Sampras was done at 13 slams, and he found a way to sneak one more in. No reason to think Fed can't do the same.

I see similarities to Sampras on many levels, but I do also see some important differences. I probably thought they were more alike earlier in Fed's career, but now I have a little different assessment.

I loved seeing Sampras at Wimbledon to watch Fed break his slam record, and to hear him comment that he thought Fed was the best ever. You know what that shows? A man who is perfectly content with what he achieved. Sure, he never won the French, and his slam record didn't last long. But in the grand scheme of things, I think he knows life has been pretty good to him so far. :)

Don't get me wrong, I don't think for one second that Fed is an ungrateful human being for what life has brought him. Not at all. But, having listened to him many times over the years, in good times and bad times, I wonder if GOAT status is more important to him than it was to Sampras?

I bring this up because you mentioned that you thought Fed played for fun, or at least that he used to? Maybe, but it can be more difficult to have fun if you are looking to own, or even obliterate every record in the book. Or if you just want everyone to consider you the best ever, without question. That's a lot of pressure to put on one's self...

Can someone achieve all that Fed has and still be disappointed in themselves? Disappointed if they don't win 20 slams? Disappointed if they don't get the record for weeks at number 1? Disappointed that they didn't own every rivalry? I don't know, it's just food for thought...

The drive to still go after more records and titles, the weariness of chasing it all these years, the aches and pains of getting older, and the joys of being a husband and a father...maybe he hasn't sorted it all out yet???

Dave

dabeast
07-02-2010, 05:35 AM
Hey Ruan! Yep, things got awfully busy for me over the past year. I probably haven't averaged four hours of sleep, so not much time to talk tennis...

It is definitely tricky to tell if he has hit that proverbial wall, or if there's still another rebound in his future. I honestly don't know the answer to that one. I thought Sampras was done at 13 slams, and he found a way to sneak one more in. No reason to think Fed can't do the same.

I see similarities to Sampras on many levels, but I do also see some important differences. I probably thought they were more alike earlier in Fed's career, but now I have a little different assessment.

I loved seeing Sampras at Wimbledon to watch Fed break his slam record, and to hear him comment that he thought Fed was the best ever. You know what that shows? A man who is perfectly content with what he achieved. Sure, he never won the French, and his slam record didn't last long. But in the grand scheme of things, I think he knows life has been pretty good to him so far. :)

Don't get me wrong, I don't think for one second that Fed is an ungrateful human being for what life has brought him. Not at all. But, having listened to him many times over the years, in good times and bad times, I wonder if GOAT status is more important to him than it was to Sampras?

I bring this up because you mentioned that you thought Fed played for fun, or at least that he used to? Maybe, but it can be more difficult to have fun if you are looking to own, or even obliterate every record in the book. Or if you just want everyone to consider you the best ever, without question. That's a lot of pressure to put on one's self...

Can someone achieve all that Fed has and still be disappointed in themselves? Disappointed if they don't win 20 slams? Disappointed if they don't get the record for weeks at number 1? Disappointed that they didn't own every rivalry? I don't know, it's just food for thought...

The drive to still go after more records and titles, the weariness of chasing it all these years, the aches and pains of getting older, and the joys of being a husband and a father...maybe he hasn't sorted it all out yet???

Dave



Ruan's banned so I'll have a go here.

I guess u missed out on Sampras saying that Fed has to turn around the H2H vs Nadal to even be considered GOAT.

and no, Fed has been asked by the media countless times on whether he thinks he's GOAT/ who does he think is GOAT, he always says there is no such thing as GOAT. He says it's tough to say since you cannot compare generations and he never played laver, hoad, gonzalez, etc. He says that pple can talk about it once his career is over, but he's just happy to be considered as one of the greats of the game.

It's the media and fans that proclaim him GOAT, not from his mouth ever, and to my eyes, alot of players play with competitiveness, but there's only one guy who plays with true love of the game and that's Fed. He calls it his first love, and that's the spark hopefully that will make him come back even hungrier.

if Fed played for titles and glory, after winning the same stuff over and over again, he woulda retired after last year. Nothing to prove but how much he loves the sport. Come on guys, chin up, I know Fed's gonna come roaring back. :)

.-Federers_Mate-.
07-02-2010, 05:37 AM
next thing for roger is to lose in the first round of a grand slam(almost happened in wimbledon)

he has already achieved that, Ancic (wimbledon 02)

heartbroken
07-03-2010, 12:48 AM
Ruan's banned so I'll have a go here.

I guess u missed out on Sampras saying that Fed has to turn around the H2H vs Nadal to even be considered GOAT.

and no, Fed has been asked by the media countless times on whether he thinks he's GOAT/ who does he think is GOAT, he always says there is no such thing as GOAT. He says it's tough to say since you cannot compare generations and he never played laver, hoad, gonzalez, etc. He says that pple can talk about it once his career is over, but he's just happy to be considered as one of the greats of the game.

It's the media and fans that proclaim him GOAT, not from his mouth ever, and to my eyes, alot of players play with competitiveness, but there's only one guy who plays with true love of the game and that's Fed. He calls it his first love, and that's the spark hopefully that will make him come back even hungrier.

if Fed played for titles and glory, after winning the same stuff over and over again, he woulda retired after last year. Nothing to prove but how much he loves the sport. Come on guys, chin up, I know Fed's gonna come roaring back. :)

The last quote I remember hearing from Sampras on the topic was just after Fed broke his slam record. At that point, the H2H against Nadal was already bad, and pretty old news. I'm too lazy to go digging up the quote, but it seemed to me that Sampras was quite clear that, in his opinion, Fed deserved the GOAT title in spite of the record against Nadal. Having said that, if someone can point me in the direction of a more recent quote from Sampras that contradicts that, I'll certainly give it a listen (or a read). :)

As to people asking Fed directly about being the GOAT, I would expect most everyone to give an answer like that. And I'm not implying that there is anything wrong with such an answer. In essence, it is like asking a player "do you think you are above everyone else"? Even a person who can stake a strong claim to being the "GOAT" might find it a little arrogant to say "why, yes I am". :) I think answering that question with a little humility is a very good thing, for quite a few reasons.

If I want to know how a person really feels, I just listen and observe. Over time, I think most people reveal themselves pretty well. They don't always give you the direct quote, but you can learn about them just the same. The top players are featured on TV so frequently, and interviewed so often...I've got relatives I don't know as well as some ATP pros. :D

Naturally, feel free to draw your own conclusions about what you see and hear from Fed, or any of the other players. I have offered one possible viewpoint on the subject, and there are plenty of other viewpoints to go around. :wavey:

Dave