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Wimbledon 2010 SF- Rafael Nadal vs. Andy Murray WWW?

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federernadalfan
06-30-2010, 06:53 PM
rafa in four

Rafaspin
06-30-2010, 06:54 PM
:d

missvarsha
06-30-2010, 06:56 PM
!Bamo!

ApproachShot
06-30-2010, 06:58 PM
I think it will be a close one. But if it goes to 5, Rafa should win this - he seems to be unflappable in the final set of these encounters.

Persimmon
06-30-2010, 06:59 PM
Murray in 4.

Sham Kay
06-30-2010, 06:59 PM
Rafa (loses) in 4

Nolby
06-30-2010, 07:00 PM
Muzza in 4. :yeah:

Muzza has a great 2010 record against players using the new Babolat RPM Blast strings (Tsonga and Nadal since AO 2010).

Bilbo
06-30-2010, 07:00 PM
R. Nadal in 5

allpro
06-30-2010, 07:00 PM
this match is all about how murray handles the enormous pressure and weight of expectations. i suspect he'll get tight on the big points and lose in four or five.

Shirogane
06-30-2010, 07:01 PM
Murray in 5

Priam
06-30-2010, 07:02 PM
Make the poll public!

Rafaspin
06-30-2010, 07:02 PM
Rafa in 4.

born_on_clay
06-30-2010, 07:03 PM
Nadal. Don't know the score but Murray has no chance if the match will go into 5th set

The Magician
06-30-2010, 07:03 PM
Murray in 3 or 4. Nadal is the only player Murray plays well against, anyone who is worried about this match go watch their AO match. Murray is definitely making the final, but if he can win against someone not named Nadal isn't clear :p

Dyraise
06-30-2010, 07:04 PM
Rafa in three.

careergrandslam
06-30-2010, 07:05 PM
damn u federer, now why did u have to go and lose before the final.
who the heck is going to stop murray and the british media gloating forever when he wins his first slam.

cant rely on nadal to stop murray, nadal hates murray's game.

this wimbledon sucks.
federer was the man when it comes to stopping murray winning his first slam, u could bank to federer to get the job done, but nadal cant do the role of federer.

i wont be able to take the bragging and gloating of the british media declaring murray is the new GOAT when he wins his first title.

aloniv
06-30-2010, 07:08 PM
Nadal in 4.

ossie
06-30-2010, 07:09 PM
youd have to be delusional to think murrays going to beat rafa here, the king in straights

Horatius
06-30-2010, 07:11 PM
Bulls in four

Aloevera
06-30-2010, 07:13 PM
Murray in... four I guess. This might be match of his life if he wins.

And also, Nadal might be a more suitable opponent for Murray, since Nadal can't just blow him off the court :lol:

Expect a mouth watering semifinal... and probably a bit long too.

Arkulari
06-30-2010, 07:15 PM
Rafa in 4

Mansave_75
06-30-2010, 07:16 PM
Murray in 4.

I love this Rafatard comments, the best thing is they never proved to be right...:devil:
by the way Rafa in 4.
:)

Noleta
06-30-2010, 07:17 PM
Hope Rafa in 5.

Persimmon
06-30-2010, 07:19 PM
damn u federer, now why did u have to go and lose before the final.
who the heck is going to stop murray and the british media gloating forever when he wins his first slam.

cant rely on nadal to stop murray, nadal hates murray's game.

this wimbledon sucks.
federer was the man when it comes to stopping murray winning his first slam, u could bank to federer to get the job done, but nadal cant do the role of federer.

i wont be able to take the bragging and gloating of the british media declaring murray is the new GOAT when he wins his first title.

Agreed. Nadal has no chance vs Murray.:wavey:

green25814
06-30-2010, 07:23 PM
damn u federer, now why did u have to go and lose before the final.
who the heck is going to stop murray and the british media gloating forever when he wins his first slam.

cant rely on nadal to stop murray, nadal hates murray's game.

this wimbledon sucks.
federer was the man when it comes to stopping murray winning his first slam, u could bank to federer to get the job done, but nadal cant do the role of federer.

i wont be able to take the bragging and gloating of the british media declaring murray is the new GOAT when he wins his first title.

Calm down man.

Murray has a good chance against Rafa imo, but could go either way.

scoobs
06-30-2010, 07:24 PM
Murray has won the last 2 at slams but I'm thinking Rafa in 5, heartbreaker for Andy.

M4RC
06-30-2010, 07:26 PM
Cojones in 3.

Agreed. Nadal has no chance vs Murray.:wavey:

Stop predicting results, match-ups or anything can be predicted, PLEASE.

Rafaspin
06-30-2010, 07:27 PM
There is only two guys in history who have prevented Nadal defending one of his GS titles.

One of them (Soderling) has now felt the mighty wrath of Rafa twice, the other will recieve that same treatment on Friday. Vamos Rafa!

NadalSharapova
06-30-2010, 07:28 PM
rafa 3 easy sets, different standard of player

@Sweet Cleopatra
06-30-2010, 07:28 PM
Scared, hope Rafa wins but Murray playing so fierce as one of his fans always say.

Serenidad
06-30-2010, 07:34 PM
Murray is going to have some ham and bacon for dinner surely.

guga2120
06-30-2010, 07:36 PM
Andy in 5. His return of serve will win out. Hopefully the winner of this match wins the tournament.

Tutu
06-30-2010, 07:39 PM
Murray is going to have some ham and bacon for dinner surely.
He'll try, but he will choke on it and end up dead.

KILL HIM, RAFA!

vn01
06-30-2010, 07:46 PM
Rafa in 4

M4RC
06-30-2010, 07:52 PM
Murray is going to have some ham and bacon for dinner surely.

You must be a Murraytard. Where have you been since January, champion?

crude oil
06-30-2010, 07:54 PM
going for the lesser of two evils. murray.

Johnny_Bravo
06-30-2010, 07:55 PM
rafas knees to start hurting again

murray in 5

Jimnik
06-30-2010, 07:56 PM
Winner to win Wimby.

NADALbULLS
06-30-2010, 08:28 PM
I would love to say this is going to go 5 sets. Because there is nothing better than an extremely loud crowd at Wimbledon for 3-4 hours. And I enjoyed Nadal's Haase and Petz 5-setters more than anything I've seen since the 2009 Australian Open Final. However I cannot find a reason for thinking Murray can stretch this to 5. The match-up on grass is extremely in favor of Nadal, and I think Nadal will win in straight sets most likely.

careergrandslam
06-30-2010, 08:30 PM
no brit has reached a wimby final since 1938.
but if nadal lets murray be the first one, then many people will HAAAAATE nadal for it.

if nadal cant beat murray after getting humiliated in the 2008 US open and 2010 aussie open, then nadal should retire.
this is nadal's best chance for a 2nd wimbleodn title.
if he cant take this golden oppotunity, then he sucks, is a mug of the highest order.

rafael nadal this is ur life!

@Sweet Cleopatra
06-30-2010, 08:35 PM
if nadal cant beat murray after getting humiliated in the 2008 US open and 2010 aussie open, then nadal should retire.


:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Edith09
06-30-2010, 08:42 PM
Could be intersting, if Murray is not afraid to attack, he might win. So Murray in 4 sets.

malisha
06-30-2010, 08:56 PM
all this pressure talk is rubbish

pressure is there in everyday life...what about the pressure on a parent in poor country somwhere in Africa have when he needs to find some food for his children not to die from starvation...pressure is there all the time but its not the reason players in tennis lose matches
They lose it because they were beaten by the better player on the day

Pretty disgusting to hear about pressure from someone who makes so much money...like Becker said go and work in the post office ffs
no pressure there

malisha
06-30-2010, 08:57 PM
Murray in 4 for me

solowyn
06-30-2010, 08:58 PM
I still believe Murray can do it, the hopeless Henman fan I am. Andy in 4 :rocker2:

malisha
06-30-2010, 09:00 PM
rafa 3 easy sets, different standard of player

i was afraid for Rafas chances even before i saw this post but now im pretty sure hell lose

debby
06-30-2010, 09:02 PM
Murray is going to make cry Nadull in two sets and half.

6-2 6-4 4-0 ret.

"Sore knees, no?"

Certinfy
06-30-2010, 09:03 PM
Murray is going to make cry Nadull in two sets and half.

6-2 6-4 4-0 ret.

"Sore knees, no?"

:worship: :bowdown:

NadalSharapova
06-30-2010, 09:08 PM
don't understand how its possible for a slamless chump to beat the king

scoobs
06-30-2010, 09:10 PM
don't understand how its possible for a slamless chump to beat the king
Maybe you slept through the Aussie Open this year and the US Open 2008? He's won their last two slam meetings. Not saying he'll do it again but he does have history at least.

debby
06-30-2010, 09:10 PM
don't understand how its possible for a slamless chump to beat the king

Have you watched 2010 AO and 2008 US Open? :o

Expected from a Rafa/Sharpietard.

NadalSharapova
06-30-2010, 09:13 PM
Have you watched 2010 AO and 2008 US Open? :o

Expected from a Rafa/Sharpietard.

soderlings beaten rafa at ROLAND GARROS, now thats soemthing. But so what?

the king is playing well right now as he beat soderling today. soderling is a much bigger worry than murray for nadal

debby
06-30-2010, 09:15 PM
soderlings beaten rafa at ROLAND GARROS, now thats soemthing. But so what?

the king is playing well right now as he beat soderling today. soderling is a much bigger worry than murray for nadal

Did Soderling beat Nadal twice in a Slam? :lol: No, only once. Murray will whipe his ass off. :wavey:

NadalSharapova
06-30-2010, 09:18 PM
Did Soderling beat Nadal twice in a Slam? :lol: No, only once. Murray will whipe his ass off. :wavey:

hasn't murray lost to nadal twice as well as slams?

now this is GRASS, rafa is a grasscourt expert. Murray couldn't even beat roddick last year at wimbledon.:haha:

Filo V.
06-30-2010, 09:22 PM
Unfortunately, I think Murray is going to win this. I really, really hope Rafa wins, and I think it would be better for tennis if Rafa wins, but I don't see it happening. Murray can do things and play an aggressive game that Rafa has a very hard time to cope with. The home court advantage will play a huge factor. We'll see, but I give Murray a 60-40 edge here.

Persimmon
06-30-2010, 09:22 PM
Maybe you slept through the Aussie Open this year and the US Open 2008? He's won their last two slam meetings. Not saying he'll do it again but he does have history at least.

Yeah, Nadal is Murray's biatch:wavey:

Filo V.
06-30-2010, 09:22 PM
Yeah, Nadal is Murray's biatch:wavey:

7-3 Nadal H2H.

NadalSharapova
06-30-2010, 09:23 PM
7-3 Nadal H2H.

he can't count

Persimmon
06-30-2010, 09:36 PM
Rafa cannot win titles off clay anymore:wavey: Rafa hasn't won a title off clay since Indian Wells 2009:wavey: He has regressed to being a claycourt specialist.:wavey:

NadalSharapova
06-30-2010, 09:38 PM
Rafa cannot win titles off clay anymore:wavey: Rafa hasn't won a title off clay since Indian Wells 2009:wavey: He has regressed to being a claycourt specialist.:wavey:

rafa can win french, wimbledon and oz open (clay grass and hardcourt). murray can win nothing

murray is a zero court specialist :cool:

ossie
06-30-2010, 09:38 PM
Rafa cannot win titles off clay anymore:wavey: Rafa hasn't won a title off clay since Indian Wells 2009:wavey: He has regressed to being a claycourt specialist.:wavey:theres no1 left to stop him at wimbly :shrug:

Pirata.
06-30-2010, 09:39 PM
There is only two guys in history who have prevented Nadal defending one of his GS titles.

One of them (Soderling) has now felt the mighty wrath of Rafa twice, the other will recieve that same treatment on Friday. Vamos Rafa!

Even though Murray was pretty much outplaying him, it's more like Rafa's knees prevented him from defending one of those titles :wavey:

debby
06-30-2010, 09:40 PM
hasn't murray lost to nadal twice as well as slams?

now this is GRASS, rafa is a grasscourt expert. Murray couldn't even beat roddick last year at wimbledon.:haha:

Rafa "only" won Wimbledon once...
And Roddick almost beat Fed in the final, so shut up.

NadalSharapova
06-30-2010, 09:41 PM
Rafa "only" won Wimbledon once...
And Roddick almost beat Fed in the final, so shut up.

1 > 0, learn to count before you tell others to shut up.

so almost beating fed in final is better than beating fed in final? typical fan of losers

guptaji
06-30-2010, 09:46 PM
i wont be able to take the bragging and gloating of the british media declaring murray is the new GOAT when he wins his first title.

Good one! My thoughts too. If not for British media, I wouldn't care too much if Murray goes on to win the title. Their level of patriotism is downright annoying.. I mean - does it make sense that Anne Keothavong can make it to their top headline if she wins even a set?

Manequin75
06-30-2010, 09:49 PM
Unfortunately, I think Murray is going to win this. I really, really hope Rafa wins, and I think it would be better for tennis if Rafa wins, but I don't see it happening. Murray can do things and play an aggressive game that Rafa has a very hard time to cope with. The home court advantage will play a huge factor. We'll see, but I give Murray a 60-40 edge here.

Im surprised you think this flyboy. On grass rafa's biggest weakness really is return of serve. I would prefer a Murray over soderling anyday on grass. What are you worried about? Murray will go for the lines and be aggressive throughout? Thats not even his natural game. ANd rafa's serve is pretty good on grass to win him easy points nothwithstanding that murray is a good returner. What has Murray really done since Australia? And even here who has he really beaten? Querry and Tsonga? last time they played on grass in 2008 here Rafa took it easily. Why wil it be different this time. Could you elaborate as to what should Rafa be fearing here? Thanks

rocketassist
06-30-2010, 09:51 PM
Wah wah wah British media, fuck off, the Yanks are waaaaay worse.

Nadal wins in 4- the ball doesn't sit up into Murray's strike zone on grass, so the match up differs to the hard courts.

Manequin75
06-30-2010, 09:52 PM
been a bad day for me with Fed going out. Didn't expect it. Even when Berdych had match points for some reason I was sure fed would save it and break him. He did have a break point in that last game and messed up the return. I was so looking forward to Fedal on sunday. Oh well need the "dal" to make up for the "fe" now and beat Murray. I was nervous about Sod match and Rafa won. Now I am totally not worried about Murray. So would rafa lose then? Should I be worried that I am not worried about Murray ? :(

Manequin75
06-30-2010, 09:53 PM
Wah wah wah British media, fuck off, the Yanks are waaaaay worse.

Nadal wins in 4- the ball doesn't sit up into Murray's strike zone on grass, so the match up differs to the hard courts.

the ball is bouncing quite high this year. Andy Murray said its just like hard courts in his presser. :shrug:

MacTheKnife
06-30-2010, 09:54 PM
I agree. nadal in 4..

rocketassist
06-30-2010, 09:55 PM
the ball is bouncing quite high this year. Andy Murray said its just like hard courts in his presser. :shrug:

The way Murray strikes flat is still different on a grass court compared to a hard court. He couldn't hurt him in their 2008 Wimbledon encounter, he kept having to hit spin shots and couldn't flatten his groundstrokes out.

debby
06-30-2010, 09:55 PM
1 > 0, learn to count before you tell others to shut up.

so almost beating fed in final is better than beating fed in final? typical fan of losers


Del Potro USO 2009. 0 HC Slam , Rafa has 1 HC Slam ( AO 2009).

6-2 6-2 6-2.

Nuff said.

NadalSharapova
06-30-2010, 09:58 PM
Del Potro USO 2009. 0 HC Slam , Rafa has 1 HC Slam ( AO 2009).

6-2 6-2 6-2.

Nuff said.

rafa has never won us open and we all know its the slam he struggles in, also del potro is a much more skilled player than murray. whats this got to do with wimbledon?

Filo V.
06-30-2010, 09:58 PM
Rafa cannot win titles off clay anymore:wavey: Rafa hasn't won a title off clay since Indian Wells 2009:wavey: He has regressed to being a claycourt specialist.:wavey:

Since EVERY SINGLE THING you say is always proven wrong and you contradict yourself in almost every post, it's fair to say what you say doesn't matter at all, and since Rafa is still in the tournament, you're jumping the gun a bit on your hate for someone you are a fan (:rolleyes:) of.

Filo V.
06-30-2010, 09:59 PM
Del Potro USO 2009. 0 HC Slam , Rafa has 1 HC Slam ( AO 2009).

6-2 6-2 6-2.

Nuff said.

Murray=Zero slams.

Filo V.
06-30-2010, 10:00 PM
Del Potro USO 2009. 0 HC Slam , Rafa has 1 HC Slam ( AO 2009).

6-2 6-2 6-2.

Nuff said.

Oh, and that has nothing to do with this tournament, and the fact Nadal is leagues above Murray in accomplishments, and has better results in majors, overall, and a winning H2H record. You can talk when your man actually wins a major.

Filo V.
06-30-2010, 10:02 PM
Rafa "only" won Wimbledon once...
And Roddick almost beat Fed in the final, so shut up.

And Roddick lost to Lu this year. Doesn't speak highly on Murray's chances.

Manequin75
06-30-2010, 10:05 PM
I mean seriously - isn't a match with murray in the semifinals a lot more preferred than a rematch with Soderling?
Hell Yeah!!!

Also if I had a choice to pick an opponent for Rafa's semi among Murray, Djkovich and Berdych - I would still pick Murray. Dont know why but I think Rafa will routine him in straights. Never felt so confident about Rafa'a match. This is really worrying me now :(

Filo V.
06-30-2010, 10:08 PM
Im surprised you think this flyboy. On grass rafa's biggest weakness really is return of serve. I would prefer a Murray over soderling anyday on grass. What are you worried about? Murray will go for the lines and be aggressive throughout? Thats not even his natural game. ANd rafa's serve is pretty good on grass to win him easy points nothwithstanding that murray is a good returner. What has Murray really done since Australia? And even here who has he really beaten? Querry and Tsonga? last time they played on grass in 2008 here Rafa took it easily. Why wil it be different this time. Could you elaborate as to what should Rafa be fearing here? Thanks

Murray's movement frustrates Rafa a lot, because he can't move him out of position as easily as most players, and Murray recovers well and turns defense into offense. Murray is tall and his balls go into his strikezone. He hits his backhand flat to Rafa's forehand and can change directions with the ball on both sides, which puts Rafa in uncomfortable situations and causes errors. He has a great return of serve and he can throw Nadal off rhythm with his variety.

Ballbashers aren't really even what Nadal fears the most now. It's consistent solid guys who can rally with him, can defend well enough to not get caught in defensive positions constantly, and have the power to push Rafa back and take control of points. Guys who just hit hard and then harder don't have what it takes, which has been proven many times of late. Murray has the type of game Rafa will have trouble with. And if the court is playing slick and quick, that is going to help Murray even more.

Nolby
06-30-2010, 10:11 PM
Murray=Zero slams.

Yes, but Murray=2 Slam Finals.

He isn't playing Nadal to win the Slam, merely to make the Final. He just successfully won a SF in a Slam in January, beating Nadal along the way to get there. He plays great against those octogonal Babolat RPM blast strings Rafa has been using since Abu Dhabi. Guess the other player on tour who has been using the same racquet and strings since the 2010 AO? Jo-Willy Tsonga.

Interesting thought: Does Murray's variation of pace on his groundies wreak havoc on that racquet which is designed for playing against balls that are crushed?

Manequin75
06-30-2010, 10:13 PM
Murray's movement frustrates Rafa a lot, because he can't move him out of position as easily as most players, and Murray recovers well and turns defense into offense. Murray is tall and his balls go into his strikezone. He hits his backhand flat to Rafa's forehand and can change directions with the ball on both sides, which puts Rafa in uncomfortable situations and causes errors. He has a great return of serve and he can throw Nadal off rhythm with his variety.

Ballbashers aren't really even what Nadal fears the most now. It's consistent solid guys who can rally with him, can defend well enough to not get caught in defensive positions constantly, and have the power to push Rafa back and take control of points. Guys who just hit hard and then harder don't have what it takes, which has been proven many times of late. Murray has the type of game Rafa will have trouble with. And if the court is playing slick and quick, that is going to help Murray even more.

I hear you but I still feel that if a rally goes beyond 4-5 shots advantage Rafael Nadal against anybody in this form. He is vulnerable when he cant put the return in play or just blocks it weakly. Rafa is very high in confidence right now. Murray cant compare considering what he has done lately. Lets see on Friday. I say bring on this matchup then someone like Sod where it becomes extremely difficult to break and the match gets decided on 1-2 points.

syc23
06-30-2010, 10:15 PM
Don't forget Murray's most impressive slam performances of recent times was against Nadal twice in the '08 USO and this year's AO quarter - if Murray serve and attack like he did in '08 then he has a good chance to beat Rafa.

debby
06-30-2010, 10:15 PM
Sometimes I wonder if Rafatards can actually read.

star
06-30-2010, 10:17 PM
Sometimes I wonder if Rafatards can actually read.

No, they can't. They are all imbeciles.

Hope this helps. :hug:

I'm thinking Murray takes this one. In four.

debby
06-30-2010, 10:22 PM
No, they can't. They are all imbeciles.

Hope this helps. :hug:

I'm thinking Murray takes this one. In four.

I feel for them. :( Must be tough to be as dull as their idol.

Filo V.
06-30-2010, 10:24 PM
I hear you but I still feel that if a rally goes beyond 4-5 shots advantage Rafael Nadal against anybody in this form. He is vulnerable when he cant put the return in play or just blocks it weakly. Rafa is very high in confidence right now. Murray cant compare considering what he has done lately. Lets see on Friday. I say bring on this matchup then someone like Sod where it becomes extremely difficult to break and the match gets decided on 1-2 points.

Rafa is the best player when it comes to longer rallies, but Murray tries to keep rallies shorter with Rafa because he knows he can't dink and win. He steps up the aggression, and then when he is in neutral positions, he knows when to counter-punch to take control. Also, Murray moves well so it's not really a huge advantage for Rafa in rallies, in defensive positions Murray can stay in points well, although on grass that is less of an advantage for him. Rafa does hit the ball better and with more authority but Murray absorbs pace better than any player. Rafa is high in confidence but Murray also should be high in confidence, he's beaten Rafa in majors and he's playing well, plus this is his home slam.

When Murray serves like he did today, he's really hard to break himself because he backs it up with good baseline play.

I may have jumped the gun a bit in saying Murray will win, but it's at least 50-50. Soderling is an overrate ballbasher, Murray is a smart tactical player, and even though he may seem unspectacular, he does things on the court that gives even the best of the best problems.

Clydey
06-30-2010, 10:27 PM
7-3 Nadal H2H.

And Hewitt beat Federer many times before he matured. Are those wins relevant? Since Wimbledon 2008, they are 3-3 and one of Nadal's wins was on clay and two of Murray's wins came in majors. It's too simplistic to quote a H2H. Things change over the years. Murray is not the same player he was when Nadal was 4-0 against him.

Filo V.
06-30-2010, 10:29 PM
Yes, but Murray=2 Slam Finals.

He isn't playing Nadal to win the Slam, merely to make the Final. He just successfully won a SF in a Slam in January, beating Nadal along the way to get there. He plays great against those octogonal Babolat RPM blast strings Rafa has been using since Abu Dhabi. Guess the other player on tour who has been using the same racquet and strings since the 2010 AO? Jo-Willy Tsonga.

Interesting thought: Does Murray's variation of pace on his groundies wreak havoc on that racquet which is designed for playing against balls that are crushed?

I'll give you the 2 slam finals, but that doesn't replace winning it all, and what that brings to a player. The pressure will be on regardless of this being a F or SF.

Tsonga is so much a different player than Rafa, that it can't really be used as an example of how Murray will play vs. Rafa, but it is true that Murray has played great tennis v. Rafa before in slams and with Tsonga. But this is a different animal, it's grass. That changes everything in comparison to hard courts.

Your thought may be right, sounds like something that is definitely possible. Although, at least in Tsonga's case, he hates variety because it makes him create pace and he doesn't do that nearly as well as just bashing a ball aimlessly. I think that's just mentality and tactical issues with him.

NadalSharapova
06-30-2010, 10:30 PM
And Hewitt beat Federer many times before he matured. Are those wins relevant? Since Wimbledon 2008, they are 3-3 and one of Nadal's wins was on clay and two of Murray's wins came in majors. It's too simplistic to quote a H2H. Things change over the years. Murray is not the same player he was when Nadal was 4-0 against him.

nadal is also a better than he was back then.

if murray improved so much he should have a major title to show for it....like say a del potro

Filo V.
06-30-2010, 10:30 PM
And Hewitt beat Federer many times before he matured. Are those wins relevant? Since Wimbledon 2008, they are 3-3 and one of Nadal's wins was on clay and two of Murray's wins came in majors. It's too simplistic to quote a H2H. Things change over the years. Murray is not the same player he was when Nadal was 4-0 against him.

I agree with what you say here, but whoever said Rafa is Murray's bitch is wrong. That's just not true.

Clydey
06-30-2010, 10:31 PM
I hear you but I still feel that if a rally goes beyond 4-5 shots advantage Rafael Nadal against anybody in this form. He is vulnerable when he cant put the return in play or just blocks it weakly. Rafa is very high in confidence right now. Murray cant compare considering what he has done lately. Lets see on Friday. I say bring on this matchup then someone like Sod where it becomes extremely difficult to break and the match gets decided on 1-2 points.

Murray is in form right now. What does his pre-Wimbledon form have to do with anything? He's dropped a single set on the way to the semis, so I'd hardly say he's low on confidence.

I think Nadal will win, but you're underestimating Murray's chances. He'll get opportunities on Rafa's serve no matter what. Whether Nadal gets a chance on Murray's serve is contingent on Andy serving a low percentage. In the past, he has struggled to deal with Murray's first serve.

tennisace28
06-30-2010, 10:32 PM
have a bad feeling murray is going to beat rafa in 4 tight sets :(

ORGASMATRON
06-30-2010, 10:32 PM
And Hewitt beat Federer many times before he matured. Are those wins relevant? Since Wimbledon 2008, they are 3-3 and one of Nadal's wins was on clay and two of Murray's wins came in majors. It's too simplistic to quote a H2H. Things change over the years. Murray is not the same player he was when Nadal was 4-0 against him.

give it up. nadal is winning this and we all know it.

Clydey
06-30-2010, 10:33 PM
I agree with what you say here, but whoever said Rafa is Murray's bitch is wrong. That's just not true.

Obviously. And certainly not on grass. The way I see it is if Murray serves well he wins. If he doesn't he loses.

NadalSharapova
06-30-2010, 10:34 PM
Obviously. And certainly not on grass. The way I see it is if Murray serves well he wins. If he doesn't he loses.

I think the match is in nadal's hands

Clydey
06-30-2010, 10:35 PM
give it up. nadal is winning this and we all know it.

I think Nadal will win. You're a bit daft if you think it's a foregone conclusion, though.

Commander Data
06-30-2010, 10:36 PM
Nadal, no question. AO was close match, when Murray was in topshape on his favorite surface. Sinc ethen Nadal has improved Murrays form dropped. Grass favours Nadals game and movement. Plus he will seek revange for AO. It will be tough, close battle, might go to 5, this alone assures Nadals win. nadal never loses tough battles.

Clydey
06-30-2010, 10:36 PM
I think the match is in nadal's hands

How so? Murray will get chances on Nadal's serve even if he serves a high percentage. You can't say the reverse is true. Rafa has a lot of trouble with Murray's first serve.

malisha
06-30-2010, 10:37 PM
How so? Murray will get chances on Nadal's serve even if he serves a high percentage. You can't say the reverse is true. Rafa has a lot of trouble with Murray's first serve.

expecially with the wide serve to his backhand and Murray loves that particular serve

NadalSharapova
06-30-2010, 10:39 PM
How so? Murray will get chances on Nadal's serve even if he serves a high percentage. You can't say the reverse is true. Rafa has a lot of trouble with Murray's first serve.

nadal will dominate the rallies on grass

Filo V.
06-30-2010, 10:41 PM
Obviously. And certainly not on grass. The way I see it is if Murray serves well he wins. If he doesn't he loses.

If he serves in the 55-60% range he was today, he has a decent shot. If somehow it's higher, then he should have a great shot. I think he can serve even in the 50-52% range and win, because he can break Rafa pretty easily himself. But yes, if he is serving in the lower 40%s, he's going to be put in bad defensive positions too often right off the return, giving him less time to react to get the point back to neutral, and on this surface it's not nearly as easy to play that game and win. I think, if/when it gets into rallies, he's going to win a lot more than people think.

Commander Data
06-30-2010, 10:42 PM
nadal will dominate the rallies on grass

This. I wouldn't mind a murray win, he would deserve it, but I fail to see how Murray beats Nadal in Wimbledon.

HC Murray has the edge on a good day, but on grass Nadal plays better then HC.

Har-Tru
06-30-2010, 10:42 PM
Murray will have to attack and S&V consistently like at the AO.

But this isn't a hard court, this is grass. + for Nadal and - for Murray.

It will also be interesting to see how Murray handles the pressure.

All in all I favour Nadal, but a Murray win wouldn't be surprising.

Clydey
06-30-2010, 10:43 PM
nadal will dominate the rallies on grass

He needs to get the serve back first. Besides, didn't you see the Haase and Petzschner matches? Neither guy could do much off the backhand, yet both pushed Nadal to a 5th. I expect Nadal to play better than he did in those matches, but how can you be so certain? I have no doubt you aired similar views prior to the AO 2010 match.

Certinfy
06-30-2010, 10:43 PM
Murray in 5.

NadalSharapova
06-30-2010, 10:47 PM
He needs to get the serve back first. Besides, didn't you see the Haase and Petzschner matches? Neither guy could do much off the backhand, yet both pushed Nadal to a 5th. I expect Nadal to play better than he did in those matches, but how can you be so certain? I have no doubt you aired similar views prior to the AO 2010 match.

if he can get soderlings serve back, he'll have little problems with murray. as i said before, nadal has got his hardest match out of the way. Now its up to him whether to take this oppotunity. if nadal plays the way he played today he will win

Clay Death
06-30-2010, 10:48 PM
Nadal, no question. AO was close match, when Murray was in topshape on his favorite surface. Sinc ethen Nadal has improved Murrays form dropped. Grass favours Nadals game and movement. Plus he will seek revange for AO. It will be tough, close battle, might go to 5, this alone assures Nadals win. nadal never loses tough battles.



clay warrior in straight sets or 4 at best.

he is on a bigger mission and his relentless will is unmatched on the battlefield.

finally, as commander says, he has a score to settle.

Clydey
06-30-2010, 10:49 PM
if he can get soderlings serve back, he'll have little problems with murray. as i said before, nadal has got his hardest match out of the way. Now its up to him whether to take this oppotunity. if nadal plays the way he played today he will win

But he does have problems with Murray's serve. There's no point in arguing with you, though. You think Nadal is infallible.

NadalSharapova
06-30-2010, 10:50 PM
But he does have problems with Murray's serve. There's no point in arguing with you, though. You think Nadal is infallible.

well he has more problems with soderlings serve but he's coped ok

star
06-30-2010, 10:51 PM
But he does have problems with Murray's serve. There's no point in arguing with you, though. You think Nadal is infallible.

No, don't, please.

Nadal does have trouble with Murray's serve and with other aspects of his game too. Murray's a match player. He'll do his best to get under Nadal's skin and make him start trying to think too much. There are going to be head games out there, for sure.

Ariel
06-30-2010, 11:02 PM
Hard to say who'll win. I thought Nadal would get blasted off the court by Soderling. :lol: So I'm just going to assume that Murray will do the same to Nadal and watch the opposite happen.

HDW
06-30-2010, 11:03 PM
Rafa in 3

Mike_Hunt
06-30-2010, 11:03 PM
Come on, Rafa! Bitchslap him. :bounce:

Andi-M
06-30-2010, 11:05 PM
Wimbledon 2008 Murray's 1st serve was not the weapon it is today Murray's movement was not what it is now either. He is in fact a completely different player.

Rafa is playing well, so its a toss up, if it was a hard court I'd go for Murray without any doubts not sure about grass.

Heart says Murray in 3, but I'm happy with 4 or 5. :p

Johnny_Bravo
06-30-2010, 11:07 PM
Murray in 4 for me

care to elaborate this malisha?

Topspin Forehand
06-30-2010, 11:12 PM
Gotta go with Rafa in 3. Hope it is warm and dry. The ball flying seems to help Nadal. Australian Open was at night with cold/heavy conditions. I don't think Murray is as confident on grass as on hardcourts. It will be a hard fought match though.

malisha
06-30-2010, 11:15 PM
care to elaborate this malisha?

i do not think grass will benefit Nadal that much...they both look in form but Nadal matches up good with Murray on hardcourts...so i cant see why it wolud be different on grass

malisha
06-30-2010, 11:17 PM
the ball doesn't sit up into Murray's strike zone on grass, so the match up differs to the hard courts.

well this is the only thing im not so sure about

you think the ball bounces too low for Murray to hammer it?

MIMIC
06-30-2010, 11:17 PM
If Murray plays like he did in the the semi against Nadal earlier this year at the Australian Open, I think he can win in 4 sets (6-2, 6-2, 5-7, 6-4). Otherwise (aka if pusher Murray comes to play), Nadal is getting into the final.

malisha
06-30-2010, 11:20 PM
need to be said though i rembember pretty good their last match from Wimbeldon

Nadal was playing out of his skin...one of the best matches ive seen out of clay

Murray colud not even touch his serve

i think this is important..its not like Nadal played average and won in straight sets

Topspin Forehand
06-30-2010, 11:21 PM
well this is the only thing im not so sure about

you think the ball bounces too low for Murray to hammer it?
It bounces pretty high actually and the slices seem to stay low as well. All spins seem to work here. Another factor is Murray doesn't seem to move as well on grass compared to hardcourts. Nadal is really good at moving players around. It's easier to move them around on grass and clay where there's less traction.

Murray's Mint
06-30-2010, 11:23 PM
With my head ruling my heart I will sadly predict Rafa in 4, or possibly even 3. I put it a about 50/50 who sets off strongest. Difference is though, if Rafa comes out firing in the first set I'd find it hard to see a way back for Andy. Andy gets a flying start though and the match would still be in the balance until the final point.

lazybear
06-30-2010, 11:24 PM
nadal is also a better than he was back then.

I fail to see how Nadal is a better player today than he was in 2008. Remember, in the middle of 2008 he seemed invincible, he absolutely dominated basically everybody. His movement was much better (he was totally healthy) and he was just as agressive. His serve is maybe better, but his overall level of play is better right now than in 08? No way, and i think match results clearly show that, even though he won every clay event this year as well. Anyway, my head says Nadal in 5, but i'd love to see Murray win this.

Johnny_Bravo
06-30-2010, 11:25 PM
tough match to predict and bookies know it.who wants to involve here,i wish him gl

Har-Tru
06-30-2010, 11:26 PM
I fail to see how Nadal is a better player today than he was in 2008. Remember, in the middle of 2008 he seemed invincible, he absolutely dominated basically everybody. His movement was much better (he was totally healthy) and he was just as agressive. His serve is maybe better, but his overall level of play is better right now than in 08? No way, and i think match results clearly show that, even though he won every clay event this year as well. Anyway, my head says Nadal in 5, but i'd love to see Murray win this.

Serve and backhand have improved, but overall 08 Nadal was better.

andylovesaustin
06-30-2010, 11:27 PM
Hard to say who'll win. I thought Nadal would get blasted off the court by Soderling. :lol: So I'm just going to assume that Murray will do the same to Nadal and watch the opposite happen.

Me, too!

I had this feeling Andy Murray might just win Wimby, but after watching Rafa play today, I'm not sure. Rafa sure looks determined..

It's a tough call, but.. I'm gonna say Rafa in...4.

star
06-30-2010, 11:28 PM
I fail to see how Nadal is a better player today than he was in 2008. Remember, in the middle of 2008 he seemed invincible, he absolutely dominated basically everybody. His movement was much better (he was totally healthy) and he was just as agressive. His serve is maybe better, but his overall level of play is better right now than in 08? No way, and i think match results clearly show that, even though he won every clay event this year as well. Anyway, my head says Nadal in 5, but i'd love to see Murray win this.


I understand your point, but I'd like to quibble with the concept. I think it is better to become a better player and yet not have as good a record as before. The improvement of other players is a factor in the won-loss record as are injuries. I'm not pointing to any one player here. It's just an overall point.

Goldenoldie
06-30-2010, 11:47 PM
Nadal is playing his best tennis - Murray isn't.

Unless Murray can suddenly turn the clock back to the AO he won't win.

lazybear
06-30-2010, 11:51 PM
I understand your point, but I'd like to quibble with the concept. I think it is better to become a better player and yet not have as good a record as before. The improvement of other players is a factor in the won-loss record as are injuries. I'm not pointing to any one player here. It's just an overall point.

Well, you're obviously right, as it would be possible to have a worse match record (or losing more sets for example) and yet being an improved player at same time... I rephrase myself, i think Nadal's not playing at the same level he played back in the middle of 08, at the Garros, and Wimbledon.


He may very well be a better player, but i'm not sure what that means... For example, some said (i think even experts, maybe McEnroe?) that Roger improved a lot in his tactics in the last two years, they said his serve improved, his dropshot definitely got better (i know, it's not an important shot), and i heard more than once that he's a better tennis player now then he was back then...


And yet 04-07 Roger was much more dominant. Who knows what would happen if you'd put all of "Roger's tennis" from today, in his 04-07 body and mind, maybe "past Roger" would be an even better player. Yet, you can't really say he's a better tennis player today, he maybe can do more, maybe he's smarter (though many would doubt that), but he's definitely not more efficient now... So what about Nadal?


His serve is maybe better, his backhand maybe improved, but i don't see him as a better player, in terms of efficiency than his 08 version. It could be the injury, and i'm also a bit of a Rafa hater (i respect him though... well, i try) so maybe that's the reason why i don't really see it, i don't know. :)

Clydey
07-01-2010, 12:03 AM
Nadal is playing his best tennis - Murray isn't.

Unless Murray can suddenly turn the clock back to the AO he won't win.

Murray has dropped one set on his way to the semis. Nadal has dropped 5. I'd say Murray's form is at least as impressive as Nadal's.

NadalSharapova
07-01-2010, 12:10 AM
Murray has dropped one set on his way to the semis. Nadal has dropped 5. I'd say Murray's form is at least as impressive as Nadal's.

standard of opponent is different, i mean to beat soderling 3-1 is mighty impressive

Clay Death
07-01-2010, 12:17 AM
I fail to see how Nadal is a better player today than he was in 2008. Remember, in the middle of 2008 he seemed invincible, he absolutely dominated basically everybody. His movement was much better (he was totally healthy) and he was just as agressive. His serve is maybe better, but his overall level of play is better right now than in 08? No way, and i think match results clearly show that, even though he won every clay event this year as well. Anyway, my head says Nadal in 5, but i'd love to see Murray win this.



that is because you are too "lazy" to see lazybear.

it does help when you spank them all over and over again like he did during the clay season. that 7th slam also furnishes him with some added confidence.

and he can draw from all his experiences on the biggest of stages.

finally, is there any way to gain a true measure of his relentless will? his reserves along those lines are endless. there is no telling how far he can reach if he has to.

about the only thing that seems to stop him is his own injuries.

djb84xi
07-01-2010, 12:26 AM
Rafa's my pick in this one. I think there's no way in hell he's gonna let a prime opportunity slip through his fingers. Nadal is a far better big match player than Murray ever will be. Murray crumbles in situations like this. That's exactly what happened when these two played at Wimby a couple of years ago. Unlike Tsonga, Rafa won't be shanking any easy shots and trying to crush every single shot, resulting in tons of unforced errors. I expect a far different result than the one in Australia. Murray might have all of Great Britain behind him, but it will take more than that to take down a mental and physical giant like Nadal. I say Rafa in 4.

ORGASMATRON
07-01-2010, 12:30 AM
nadal must win here and win the title so he will burn out towards the end of the year. i can still bare him winning wimby, but winning the USO would be the end of tennis.

brent-o
07-01-2010, 12:32 AM
Murray in 3 or 4. Nadal is the only player Murray plays well against, anyone who is worried about this match go watch their AO match. Murray is definitely making the final, but if he can win against someone not named Nadal isn't clear :p

And yet, curiously, that is not the only match they played. Nadal leads head-to-head 7-3. Don't pretend like it will be a blowout for either player, because they always have close matches.

Sunset of Age
07-01-2010, 12:34 AM
Nadal is playing his best tennis - Murray isn't.

Unless Murray can suddenly turn the clock back to the AO he won't win.

This. Rafa in four.

ossie
07-01-2010, 12:39 AM
honestly dont see murray taking a set from rafa

allpro
07-01-2010, 12:39 AM
nadal must win here and win the title so he will burn out towards the end of the year. i can still bare him winning wimby, but winning the USO would be the end of tennis.

why would rafa winning uso be the "end of tennis"?

ORGASMATRON
07-01-2010, 12:41 AM
nadal is the true GOAT :cool:

Matt01
07-01-2010, 12:46 AM
why would rafa winning uso be the "end of tennis"?


He means "it would be the end of me watching tennis" :p

Veronique
07-01-2010, 02:05 AM
This match can go either way. I'm glad the poll reflects the reality. Rafa is the more accomplished and decorated player of the 2. I would give this match to Andy on a hardcourt but not on grass. I'm predicting Rafa in 4 sets but won't be shocked if Andy wins it. Some of the posters around here are out of touch with reality. Their arguments are aimed to convince themselves more than anything else. How did predicting Sorderling beating Rafa work out for you? There's wish and there's reality. I'm glad the poll reflects reality.

Sean.
07-01-2010, 02:10 AM
If Murray doesn't handle the pressure well & goes into pusher mode he'll lose.

If he takes the initative & is agressive, he's in with a good chance.

Mechlan
07-01-2010, 02:18 AM
I think Rafa takes this. At least he looked more impressive in the QF than Murray. That said, Murray usually plays completely different against Nadal, and on the grass, it'll be interesting to see if he can pull off that kind of hitting.

green25814
07-01-2010, 02:28 AM
Cmon Muzza!

Its time for Fedal to step aside.

.-Federers_Mate-.
07-01-2010, 02:34 AM
Murray - 6-4 2-6 7-5 6-3

Clydey
07-01-2010, 03:49 AM
standard of opponent is different, i mean to beat soderling 3-1 is mighty impressive

So we'll just ignore the other 4 sets he dropped and pretend that Murray was the one who struggled to reach the semis?

abraxas21
07-01-2010, 03:57 AM
Murray takes this one.

AgassiFan588
07-01-2010, 04:22 AM
Hopefully Rafa beats the shit out of this bloody f@#$ing bloke.

careergrandslam
07-01-2010, 04:39 AM
everytime these MTF clowns predict a winner, the exact opposite happens.
i was hoping everyone would choose murray so nadal can surprise and win like he did against soderling.

Manequin75
07-01-2010, 04:43 AM
barring 2008 australian open when have neither fed nor rafa made it to a grand slam final? Great chance we will see rafa play on the fourth of july.

Waterfox
07-01-2010, 04:45 AM
Murray plays too slow for this Player!!!

He will lose easily!!

Kip
07-01-2010, 04:57 AM
It's Andy's Time. :cool:

MalwareDie
07-01-2010, 07:08 AM
standard of opponent is different, i mean to beat soderling 3-1 is mighty impressive

And you are one of those who say that Soderling is a fluke. Make up your mind.


I think Murray will take this in 4 or 5.

leng jai
07-01-2010, 07:46 AM
So we'll just ignore the other 4 sets he dropped and pretend that Murray was the one who struggled to reach the semis?

Don't do this bro.

ossie
07-01-2010, 08:08 AM
So we'll just ignore the other 4 sets he dropped and pretend that Murray was the one who struggled to reach the semis?
your setting yourself up for a big disappointment here, murrays form has been shit since the australian open and he hasnt been playing much better here but got through thanks to his ridiculous draw but ultimately doesnt have the weapons to hurt rafa, its going to be a sad sight to watch him trying to outgrind rafa :shrug:

coonster14
07-01-2010, 08:26 AM
Rafael Nadal in 4!

Clydey
07-01-2010, 09:01 AM
Don't do this bro.

Anything for you, babe.

Clydey
07-01-2010, 09:03 AM
your setting yourself up for a big disappointment here, murrays form has been shit since the australian open and he hasnt been playing much better here but got through thanks to his ridiculous draw but ultimately doesnt have the weapons to hurt rafa, its going to be a sad sight to watch him trying to outgrind rafa :shrug:

I'm not setting myself up for anything. I think Nadal will win the match.

The rest of your post isn't worth responding to.

henke007
07-01-2010, 09:04 AM
Didn't think i would say this but Andy you have to save tennis tomorrow!!

ossie
07-01-2010, 09:07 AM
I'm not setting myself up for anything. I think Nadal will win the match.

The rest of your post isn't worth responding to.ok (im not saying muzza has no chance just that rafa is the safe bet here)

ok (lol)

Rafaspin
07-01-2010, 09:09 AM
Didn't think i would say this but Andy you have to save tennis tomorrow!!

Tennis will be just fine without you.


Rafa will really have to have his passing shots fire, no doubt Murray will net approach multiple times. That backhand of Murrays really troubles rafa too, if Rafa is only pushing his FH then Murray will slam a backhand winner out of nowhere.

Might come down to how many opportunities Rafa is given on Murrays 2nd serve and how well Rafa serves himself. Murray worries me more than Soderling, it will be tough.

A_Skywalker
07-01-2010, 10:06 AM
Didn't think i would say this but Andy you have to save tennis tomorrow!!
Save the world Andy!
http://justinadayswork.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/superhero.jpg

Stefanos13
07-01-2010, 10:48 AM
Nadal in 4, BUT he:
– has to start with confidence which I think he surprisingly sometimes lacks as of late, unlike his earlier fired-up years
– return better – he seems to be more afraid of big serves than before
– watch his backhand slice – in the Soderling match it often stood up for too long and Soderling was able to punish it
– needs to serve well – which has been doing in his recent grass matches
– needs to be fired up throughout – again he appeared a bit relaxed or nervous in his grass matches

HarryMan
07-01-2010, 10:57 AM
Beating Nadal on grass is one of the tougest challenges for anyone (of course it is nothing like beating him on clay but still is a very big challenge). Nadal's serve is a a major weapon on grass and his topspin forehands explode from the surface. Murray will have to serve extremely well, defend just about everything and be aggressive at all times. Then he will have his chances.

I think Nadal wins this in four.

BK 201
07-01-2010, 11:04 AM
Not a fan but i want Nadal to win. This will make things more interesting at the top and with the all time record.

If Murray or berdych were to win Wimbledon - they would be the weakest grasscourt players to win it and it would be hard to try to defend that this grass era is weak.

Vida
07-01-2010, 11:17 AM
edge to rafa.

Caerula Sanguis
07-01-2010, 11:41 AM
Not a fan but i want Nadal to win. This will make things more interesting at the top and with the all time record.

If Murray or berdych were to win Wimbledon - they would be the weakest grasscourt players to win it and it would be hard to try to defend that this grass era is weak.

We can argue with the fact that this era's grass is more suitable for baseliner ~

ORGASMATRON
07-01-2010, 11:47 AM
nadal is winning this for sure. murray wouldnt even be here had clownga not choked in the 2nd set.

Johnny_Bravo
07-01-2010, 11:50 AM
Tomorrow i wanna hear freakin "C'mon Andy" from the stands,with the sound of african vuvuzelas during his clash with rafito :devil:

not gonna happen tough

ImmzB
07-01-2010, 11:52 AM
Nadal in 3

ORGASMATRON
07-01-2010, 12:07 PM
Tomorrow i wanna hear freakin "C'mon Andy" from the stands,with the sound of african vuvuzelas during his clash with rafito :devil:

not gonna happen tough

:lol: these things have caused quite a stir. i used to hate the sound but since the WC started ive enjoyed how it annoys foreigners. if it was used at wimby it would sure add some much needed spice to the event. would be hilarious :D

Johnny_Bravo
07-01-2010, 12:10 PM
:lol: these things have caused quite a stir. i used to hate the sound but since the WC started ive enjoyed how it annoys foreigners. if it was used at wimby it would sure add some much needed spice to the event. would be hilarious :D

used to hate them as well from the beginning,but have to admit,it would be quite a spice up:wavey:

Iván
07-01-2010, 12:27 PM
rafa hitting the ball so sweetly and serving well, gonna be tough for murray.

Stefanos13
07-01-2010, 01:03 PM
Does anybody know if this match is going to go first or second on Centre Court

freeandlonely
07-01-2010, 01:06 PM
Murray in 4

ShotmaKer
07-01-2010, 01:27 PM
Does anybody know if this match is going to go first or second on Centre Court

Probably second. Bottom half.

Sham Kay
07-01-2010, 02:42 PM
Match hinges on the first set in my opinion. If Muzza wins it, then 70% he'll win the whole match maybe in 4. If Rafa wins it 99.9% he'll win the match.. unfortunately. Murray needs at the very least a 60% first serve percentage to stand a chance. I'll go Muzz in 4, but thats only the heart speaking to be honest.

FedFan
07-01-2010, 02:51 PM
Murray has a decent chance, if he is not to nervous in front of his public.

What is the weather like tomorrow? ;)

Stefanos13
07-01-2010, 02:54 PM
Murray has a decent chance, if he is not to nervous in front of his public.

What is the weather like tomorrow? ;)

24 degrees, partly sunny > guess this favours Nadal by a fraction (which I'm happy for)

Sapeod
07-01-2010, 02:56 PM
There is only two guys in history who have prevented Nadal defending one of his GS titles.

One of them (Soderling) has now felt the mighty wrath of Rafa twice, the other will recieve that same treatment on Friday. Vamos Rafa!
Soderling wasn't the same player he usually is, after that Ferrer match. Murray has only lost 1 set in the last 5 matches, so...yeah.

And you say you aren't a Nadulltard :lol:
He'll try, but he will choke on it and end up dead.

KILL HIM, RAFA!
He will try and he will win.

KILL HIM, ANDY!
You must be a Murraytard. Where have you been since January, champion?
He's not a Murraytard :lol:
don't understand how its possible for a slamless chump to beat the king
Del Potro 6-2 6-2 6-2 last US Open 09, Murray at US Open 08, Aus Open 10, Soderling RG 09. Enough said.
soderlings beaten rafa at ROLAND GARROS, now thats soemthing. But so what?

the king is playing well right now as he beat soderling today. soderling is a much bigger worry than murray for nadal
Soderling didn't have enough in the tank for that match, Ferrer took it out of him.
hasn't murray lost to nadal twice as well as slams?

now this is GRASS, rafa is a grasscourt expert. Murray couldn't even beat roddick last year at wimbledon.:haha:
Nadull a grasscourt expert? Classic. Murray lost to Roddick last year because Roddick was so so so much better than everyone else, except Federer.
Murray=Zero slams.
Del Potro = 0 Slams, beat Nadull 6-2 6-2 6-2 at US Open 09.
Murray = 0 Slams, 2 wins against Nadull in GS.
Soderling = 0 Slams, beat Nadull on clay at RG.
nadal must win here and win the title so he will burn out towards the end of the year. i can still bare him winning wimby, but winning the USO would be the end of tennis.
No way Nadull is winning the US Open with Murray in the draw. Djokovic has a better chance than Nadull at the US Open :shrug:

Clay Death
07-01-2010, 03:02 PM
you can stop the speculation. i will settle this:

clay warrior in straight sets or 4 at best. he will bring ridiculous focus and intensity to the battlefield tomorrow. now add a dose of his relentless will and you have a situtation where there is no escape for murray. none.

translation: i am not giving murray any chance. clay warrior is on a bigger mission and on a bigger quest.

Sophocles
07-01-2010, 03:11 PM
Murray's very good at returning spinny serves & he soundly outplayed an in-form Nadal at the A.O. Murray in 4, unless he chokes.

marvin0211
07-01-2010, 03:17 PM
Murray's very good at returning spinny serves & he soundly outplayed an in-form Nadal at the A.O. Murray in 4, unless he chokes.

there you go again classic excuse if he lose he chokes

Shirogane
07-01-2010, 03:22 PM
Not any worse than the knees. :)

Rafaspin
07-01-2010, 03:25 PM
Soderling wasn't the same player he usually is, after that Ferrer match. Murray has only lost 1 set in the last 5 matches, so...yeah.

And you say you aren't a Nadulltard :lol:

He will try and he will win.

KILL HIM, ANDY!

He's not a Murraytard :lol:

Del Potro 6-2 6-2 6-2 last US Open 09, Murray at US Open 08, Aus Open 10, Soderling RG 09. Enough said.

Soderling didn't have enough in the tank for that match, Ferrer took it out of him.

Nadull a grasscourt expert? Classic. Murray lost to Roddick last year because Roddick was so so so much better than everyone else, except Federer.

Del Potro = 0 Slams, beat Nadull 6-2 6-2 6-2 at US Open 09.
Murray = 0 Slams, 2 wins against Nadull in GS.
Soderling = 0 Slams, beat Nadull on clay at RG.

No way Nadull is winning the US Open with Murray in the draw. Djokovic has a better chance than Nadull at the US Open :shrug:


Everybody, lock up your logic and decency. The boring, shitfest that is Glory is online. :o

Manequin75
07-01-2010, 03:31 PM
you can stop the speculation. i will settle this:

clay warrior in straight sets or 4 at best. he will bring ridiculous focus and intensity to the battlefield tomorrow. now add a dose of his relentless will and you have a situtation where there is no escape for murray. none.

translation: i am not giving murray any chance. clay warrior is on a bigger mission and on a bigger quest.

dude you are very dramatic. :) But I dont know why I feel this is a no-brainer match from Rafa. DOnt have one bit of fear. I was paranoid about Soderling though. For this one Im not worried one bit. Very strange.

Clay Death
07-01-2010, 03:38 PM
dude you are very dramatic. :) But I dont know why I feel this is a no-brainer match from Rafa. DOnt have one bit of fear. I was paranoid about Soderling though. For this one Im not worried one bit. Very strange.



quite simply this is a match the high priest of death has to win.
watch the ultimate doomsday stroking machine do its thing old sport.

he is slow to get going at times but once he dials in and locks in the moment, there will be no escape murray.


memo to murray:

death rides a fast horse and it is coming for you. pray for death.

Certinfy
07-01-2010, 03:43 PM
Del Potro = 0 Slams, beat Nadull 6-2 6-2 6-2 at US Open 09.
Unless I was dreaming, Del Potro won the USO last year :wavey:

Rafaspin
07-01-2010, 03:45 PM
Unless I was dreaming, Del Potro won the USO last year :wavey:


He was slamless going into that match, by defeating Nadal he reached the USO final defeating Fed for his maiden GS.

Certinfy
07-01-2010, 03:49 PM
Ah ok, didn't realise Glory was talking in that perspective.

Back on topic, I think the match is in Murray's hands tomorrow, just has to perform.

Foxy
07-01-2010, 03:51 PM
quite simply this is a match the high priest of death has to win.
watch the ultimate doomsday stroking machine do its thing old sport.

he is slow to get going at times but once he dials in and locks in the moment, there will be no escape murray.


memo to murray:

death rides a fast horse and it is coming for you. pray for death.

This opponent is quite different than Soda. Murray has variety, agility, he retrieves very well, he is good at net, good drop shots and s&v well. But from the other side Murray lacks power, 1st % the worst among top 10, 2nd serve one of the slowest among the top 10. Murray will play under huge "pression" as well. The match could go either away. But somewhat I was more afraid of Soda...

mark73
07-01-2010, 03:55 PM
Save the world Andy!
http://justinadayswork.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/superhero.jpg

that's not Andy. :p

Sapeod
07-01-2010, 04:00 PM
Everybody, lock up your logic and decency. The boring, shitfest that is Glory is online. :oA poster with the word Rafa in his name telling others their boring? Look in the mirror, Rafabore.

Clay Death
07-01-2010, 04:04 PM
This opponent is quite different than Soda. Murray has variety, agility, he retrieves very well, he is good at net, good drop shots and s&v well. But from the other side Murray lacks power, 1st % the worst among top 10, 2nd serve one of the slowest among the top 10. Murray will play under huge "pression" as well. The match could go either away. But somewhat I was more afraid of Soda...



good points but i still maintain that this is the match clay warrior has to have.

deal with his relentless will if you can is the message to murray.

yellowboy906
07-01-2010, 04:33 PM
standard of opponent is different, i mean to beat soderling 3-1 is mighty impressive

What's so impressive about beating soderling 3-1? Ferrer almost beat soderling. I think with the way tsonga was serving in the first two sets against murray. if he was playing rafa, tsonga will be tougher player than soderling. At least for two sets.

NadalSharapova
07-01-2010, 05:02 PM
What's so impressive about beating soderling 3-1? Ferrer almost beat soderling. I think with the way tsonga was serving in the first two sets against murray. if he was playing rafa, tsonga will be tougher player than soderling. At least for two sets.

murray would not have beaten soderling

malisha
07-01-2010, 05:10 PM
hopefully Nadal wont retire yet again if 0-2 down

he colud as well finish that match at AO and Murray was not happy with his retirement either

champions sholud fight till the last end or they are not real champions

malisha
07-01-2010, 05:14 PM
deal with his relentless will if you can is the message to murray.

Murray did that....seven times...he lost his matches but kept his chin up unlike Nadal who was not able to do the same

pitty

Merton
07-01-2010, 05:32 PM
Close to 50-50 I think, the key will be how Nadal hits his backhand. That means Murray if I were a betting man.

Il Primo Uomo
07-01-2010, 05:36 PM
The one with the phattest ass! In 5 sets.

Tutu
07-01-2010, 05:39 PM
Ah ok, didn't realise Glory was talking in that perspective.

Back on topic, I think the match is in Murray's hands tomorrow, just has to perform.

No match is in Murray's hands. :lol:

Johnny_Bravo
07-01-2010, 05:42 PM
hopefully Nadal wont retire yet again if 0-2 down

he colud as well finish that match at AO and Murray was not happy with his retirement either

champions sholud fight till the last end or they are not real champions

this:worship:

i read somewhere that he wasn't even feeling the pain until that particular moment at 0-3 in the third.so murray's win should be considered as a well clean and a deserved one.

don't quite remember the situation in rotterdam final,but i'm sensing that if things go bad,rafa could eventually decide to save his knees.

muzza on the other hand has a lion heart.ppl who have watched him against soda in indian wells 2010 know it.

i really hope andy wins this,he deserves a major title,but rafa should be considered as a slight fav.

ORGASMATRON
07-01-2010, 05:48 PM
i expect nadal to win this. a fit and healthy clay GOAT does not lose to murray. this is a great opportunity for him to add another slam to his resume outside of paris, especially with the GOAT gone. should nadal somehow manage to blow this, it will be a costly blow to his future in the game as well as his place among all time greats.

Start da Game
07-01-2010, 06:08 PM
nadal will run over murray like a heavy bulldozer rolling over an empty diet coke tin........murray wouldn't know where to hide after the match from the british press........

Vida
07-01-2010, 06:33 PM
it wont be easy if nadal starts slowly again.

problem for murray is that it is harder for him to catch-up form set down than nadal.

Xristos
07-01-2010, 06:36 PM
Murray in 4.

Vamoos Rafa!

Johnny_Bravo
07-01-2010, 06:37 PM
http://i45.tinypic.com/2poo303.jpg

>

http://i45.tinypic.com/11bspvm.jpg

C'mon!!!

Titi
07-01-2010, 06:44 PM
Nadal definitely, could be 4 or 5 though.

nole_no1
07-01-2010, 06:55 PM
C'mon Rafa kill this mug:toothy:

Certinfy
07-01-2010, 06:58 PM
No match is in Murray's hands. :lol::rolleyes: Of course this match is though, the way both their games match up with each other favors Murray quite a bit, as long as he plays the way he's played Nadal in the past (eg. AO 10, USO 08) then he'll win.

allpro
07-01-2010, 06:59 PM
if an entire soccer team was unable to bear the weight of expectations, how the hell is an oaf like murray going to deal with it all by himself? the more I think about it, the less chances I give him. and let's face it, he's had a cakewalk draw to the semis.

nerves will get the best of murray......nadal in four.

malisha
07-01-2010, 07:08 PM
if an entire soccer team was unable to bear the weight of expectations

:lol:

you think England or any other team lost cos expectations or pressure???

they lost cos there was a better team on the pitch that day

the same will be with Nadal Murray

all this talk about things outside the court are nonsense

allpro
07-01-2010, 07:21 PM
:lol:

you think England or any other team lost cos expectations or pressure???

they lost cos there was a better team on the pitch that day

wasn't england one of the favorites to win the world cup?

pressure and psychology have nothing to do with sports? :scratch:

straitup
07-01-2010, 07:26 PM
Please be a 5 setter...with Andy winning :)

malisha
07-01-2010, 07:32 PM
pressure and psychology are here in everyday life...there are many jobs with much higher pressure such as pyrotechnist who is tracking mines and risking their life out there every day...i colud easily make a list of 10 buisness with higher pressure margin and all of them are less payd then pro athlets

im sick with all their bitching about the pressure and expectations from them...they chose this by themselves...i feel fucking pressure as well in social situations or before i see the dentist...but it isnt and cannot be the reason of faliure

some people buy this shit how someone coludnt deliver as there were pressure..i dont...it was because he sucks or was beaten fair and square by the better player/team.

malisha
07-01-2010, 07:36 PM
i wont make any post about it in future..made my point with 2 posts in this thread

pro athletes sholud keep their ugly mouth shut and just play the game

Mateya
07-01-2010, 07:39 PM
I will pray for Muzza.

COME ON, win this fucking title and your first grand slam and shut your haters!!! :rocker2:
Muzza in 4, if it goes to 5 I don't see him winning.

ShotmaKer
07-01-2010, 07:44 PM
pressure and psychology are here in everyday life...there are many jobs with much higher pressure such as pyrotechnist who is tracking mines and risking their life out there every day...i colud easily make a list of 10 buisness with higher pressure margin and all of them are less payd then pro athlets

im sick with all their bitching about the pressure and expectations from them...they chose this by themselves...i feel fucking pressure as well in social situations or before i see the dentist...but it isnt and cannot be the reason of faliure

some people buy this shit how someone coludnt deliver as there were pressure..i dont...it was because he sucks or was beaten fair and square by the better player/team.

although you make some good points about jobs implying great level of pressure, it does exist in sports and it does affect players through their psychology. sometimes it might be overrated and used as an excuse, but if you've ever played tennis, or any other sports for that matter, at a competitive level, i'm sure you're aware that there's a great % of your game that depends on your psychological state.

tsonga12345
07-01-2010, 08:03 PM
Rain forecast for Friday, which means the roof should be on. Didn't Murray complain that about the roof last year against Wawrinka because he felt that the humidity slowed the court a lot?
http://2009.wimbledon.org/en_GB/news/articles/2009-06-29/200906291246291940671.html

dav abu
07-01-2010, 08:29 PM
I really think that the first set is vital. If Nadal wins it, it would really put him in charge and tension would grow inside centre from the crowd down to Murray....the other way around and it would be a huge boost for Murray. Oh I hope Rafa can win!

DuMa
07-01-2010, 08:34 PM
Murrary choke special in t-minus 1 day

M4RC
07-01-2010, 08:45 PM
this:worship:

i read somewhere that he wasn't even feeling the pain until that particular moment at 0-3 in the third.so murray's win should be considered as a well clean and a deserved one.

don't quite remember the situation in rotterdam final,but i'm sensing that if things go bad,rafa could eventually decide to save his knees.

muzza on the other hand has a lion heart.ppl who have watched him against soda in indian wells 2010 know it.

i really hope andy wins this,he deserves a major title,but rafa should be considered as a slight fav.

He barely could walk in the 3rd but he did not retire. He got bageled.

I tend to trust a player with chronic knee issues if he faces a situation in which he has to decide between risking his knees while playing or retire instead. But that's too much of an effort here in MTF.

Matt01
07-01-2010, 08:53 PM
:rolleyes: Of course this match is though, the way both their games match up with each other favors Murray quite a bit, as long as he plays the way he's played Nadal in the past (eg. AO 10, USO 08) then he'll win.


What? :lol:

yellowboy906
07-01-2010, 09:19 PM
The one with the phattest ass! In 5 sets.

then that mean murray will win in 5 cause nadal has muscular ass. fat and muscle are two different things.

Tom_Bombadil
07-01-2010, 09:21 PM
Don't dare to argue with Muzza fans here heheh. We'll see tomorrow who is better.

yellowboy906
07-01-2010, 09:24 PM
murray would not have beaten soderling

what makes you say that? cause soderling is gonna be future number 1? if soderling had trouble beating ferrer, what makes you think that he can beat murray?

nanoman
07-01-2010, 09:24 PM
Andy Murray wont have too much trouble breaking nadal's serve. If he could get a reasonable %(60-ish) and get his head to together he should win. 4 sets.

Bilbo
07-01-2010, 09:26 PM
im sick with all their bitching about the pressure and expectations from them...they chose this by themselves...i feel fucking pressure as well in social situations or before i see the dentist...but it isnt and cannot be the reason of faliure

:haha::haha: this is so fucking true. funny stuff, mate :yeah:

FormerRafaFan
07-01-2010, 10:20 PM
I'll give Nadal the slight advantage in this match up. I want to say Rafa in 4, but I'll say Rafa in 5 to be on the safe side.

Manequin75
07-01-2010, 10:32 PM
I'll give Nadal the slight advantage in this match up. I want to say Rafa in 4, but I'll say Rafa in 5 to be on the safe side.

all of you guys thinking Murray will stretch Rafa to 5 are gonna be very surprised. I dont think Murray can take a set off Rafa tomorrow. We shall see

Manequin75
07-01-2010, 10:33 PM
Andy Murray wont have too much trouble breaking nadal's serve. If he could get a reasonable %(60-ish) and get his head to together he should win. 4 sets.

and Rafa will have trouble breaking Murray after he was breaking Soderling left and right?

Certinfy
07-01-2010, 10:37 PM
and Rafa will have trouble breaking Murray after he was breaking Soderling left and right?Soderling was more like breaking himself :rolleyes:

Manequin75
07-01-2010, 10:38 PM
Soderling was more like breaking himself :rolleyes:

how can you serve to yourself, genius?

ossie
07-01-2010, 10:39 PM
Soderling was more like breaking himself :rolleyes:whats going to be your excuse for this one :rolleyes:

Certinfy
07-01-2010, 10:44 PM
how can you serve to yourself, genius?
I was basically saying that Soderling was spraying UE's everywhere to hand Rafa the breaks when Rafa really didn't do much in some of Robin's service games which he broke in.

Manequin75
07-01-2010, 10:54 PM
If Rafa didn't do anything why was Robin hitting UE's. Is he retarded? Try watching Rafa play sometimes without the hatred. He wins significant points from opponents making UE unlike Sod whose game is primarily built on hitting winners. You wree pretty vocal about Sod handing it to Rafa and you had to bite the dust. You will again tomorrow after the Murray match and yet again on Sunday because your prediction would still be for Rafa to lose in the finals to whoever he plays. Get used to Rafa winning most of the slams now. It starts with wimbledon on Sunday.

Certinfy
07-01-2010, 11:00 PM
We'll see, we'll see...

NadalSharapova
07-01-2010, 11:03 PM
murray v nadal = england b team v brazil

basically means nadal will smoke him

rocketassist
07-01-2010, 11:05 PM
murray v nadal = england b team v brazil

basically means nadal will smoke him

Keep spouting off. It will only make it sweeter if you're wrong.

United are better than Barca. England will win the World Cup.

NadalSharapova
07-01-2010, 11:10 PM
Keep spouting off. It will only make it sweeter if you're wrong.

United are better than Barca. England will win the World Cup.

england has more chance in a world cup than murray has in a major.

united were better than barca in 2008, barca better in 2009. no surprises whoever wins between the two.

WTF has this got to do with the fact murray can't produce the goods at majors?

rocketassist
07-01-2010, 11:21 PM
england has more chance in a world cup than murray has in a major.

united were better than barca in 2008, barca better in 2009. no surprises whoever wins between the two.

WTF has this got to do with the fact murray can't produce the goods at majors?

It's to do with the fact you keep making dickhead predictions and end up on your arse, and you don't have the guts to show yourself and admit you're wrong.

NadalSharapova
07-01-2010, 11:23 PM
It's to do with the fact you keep making dickhead predictions and end up on your arse, and you don't have the guts to show yourself and admit you're wrong.

i make correct predictions and i make wrong predictions just like everyone else. However I make more right that wrong thats why i have a big profit on my betfair account

angry1
07-01-2010, 11:36 PM
murray v nadal = england b team v brazil

basically means nadal will smoke him

You are an idiot.Murray could be beaten by any margin 3rd is better than 9th.

England's A team has 0 finals when they couldn't control the choice of officials,Murray's got 2 already.

Even at Euro 96 you lost to Spain,but we never hear about that injustice do we?

NadalSharapova
07-01-2010, 11:39 PM
You are an idiot.Murray could be beaten by any margin 3rd is better than 9th.

England's A team has 0 finals when they couldn't control the choice of officials,Murray's got 2 already.

Even at Euro 96 you lost to Spain,but we never hear about that injustice do we?

england have 1 world cup, murray no majors

if we lost to spain in euro 96, then it means we beat argies in world cup 98 and portugal in euro 04 :rolleyes:

angry1
07-01-2010, 11:39 PM
i make correct predictions and i make wrong predictions just like everyone else. However I make more right that wrong thats why i have a big profit on my betfair account

That's only necessarily true if all off your bets are at evens net of commission.

Otherwise you could get 45/50 wrong but the ones you get right are at long odds.Tipping Murray to lose every match at slams is hardly the road to riches.

angry1
07-01-2010, 11:41 PM
england have 1 world cup, murray no majors

if we lost to spain in euro 96, then it means we beat argies in world cup 98 and portugal in euro 04 :rolleyes:

No it doesn't it means they finished level,so you go to penalties.Spain scored a legitimate goal.

Maradonna cheated,Spain scored,and Terry fouled the goalie.

Forget Maradonna Shearer elbowed the goalie.

Clydey
07-01-2010, 11:42 PM
i make correct predictions and i make wrong predictions just like everyone else. However I make more right that wrong thats why i have a big profit on my betfair account

This coming from the idiot who just badrepped me, while telling me that Murray would struggle against the top WTA players. :lol:

tektonac
07-01-2010, 11:43 PM
hmmmm ... :scratch: ... rafa in 4 or 5.

NadalSharapova
07-01-2010, 11:45 PM
This coming from the idiot who just badrepped me, while telling me that Murray would struggle against the top WTA players. :lol:

i like murray in the way he has made me a lot of money

NadalSharapova
07-01-2010, 11:46 PM
No it doesn't it means they finished level,so you go to penalties.Spain scored a legitimate goal.

Maradonna cheated,Spain scored,and Terry fouled the goalie.

Forget Maradonna Shearer elbowed the goalie.

we scored perfect legitimate goals in the dying minutes in those matches. u get some decisions for and against u. we have far more against us than for us.