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On changeovers, Nadal

blknoc
06-30-2010, 03:42 PM
On the changeover when players must cross the net, Nadal always crosses after his opponent Why is that all of his opponents oblige his habit? I'm sure they've taken note. Call me petty but I'd force him to cross before me on occasion.

abraxas21
06-30-2010, 03:45 PM
Nadal seems to be a very superstitious person in regards to his habits during a match...

@Sweet Cleopatra
06-30-2010, 03:45 PM
How can any one find this important?

brent-o
06-30-2010, 03:45 PM
Burn him at the stake?

rafa the best
06-30-2010, 03:48 PM
It's because he's a gentleman and always let's the opponent go first, just like he lets them shake the umpire's hand first when he wins.:)

RafaTheBest
06-30-2010, 03:49 PM
Pathetic hater thread, this.

Big_Juicy
06-30-2010, 03:51 PM
On the changeover when players must cross the net, Nadal always crosses after his opponent Why is that all of his opponents oblige his habit? I'm sure they've taken note. Call me petty but I'd force him to cross before me on occasion.

He's got issues. The way he picks at his bum, arranges his water bottles, handles himself exactly the same during every changeover, clearly there is something wrong with this guy.

blknoc
06-30-2010, 03:57 PM
How can any one find this important?

Well, if it's a behavior that he performs routinely, it must be important to him. He's done it enough that as a viewer I have noticed. I would imagine his opponents notice it as well. It's one of many rituals he performs on court but one of a few that his opponents can disrupt. It makes me wonder why none of them force him to do something different.

blknoc
06-30-2010, 03:59 PM
It's because he's a gentleman and always let's the opponent go first, just like he lets them shake the umpire's hand first when he wins.:)

Riiiiiiight!!!!! That explains it.

allpro
06-30-2010, 04:00 PM
On the changeover when players must cross the net, Nadal always crosses after his opponent Why is that all of his opponents oblige his habit? I'm sure they've taken note. Call me petty but I'd force him to cross before me on occasion.

get a life. seriously.

scarecrows
06-30-2010, 04:00 PM
Ocd

AndyNonomous
06-30-2010, 04:04 PM
I think he does it because he wants to give himself time to recuperate.

His style of play is hard on a person'e respiratory system (although I have never seen him breath hard). He takes more time between points, and on changeovers, to ensure he will be as fresh as possible on his next point.

Nadal does everything for a practical reason. I am sure this delaying tactic, is just another way to improve his chances of winning.

blknoc
06-30-2010, 04:10 PM
I think he does it because he wants to give himself time to recuperate.

His style of play is hard on a person'e respiratory system (although I have never seen him breath hard). He takes more time between points, and on changeovers, to ensure he will be as fresh as possible on his next point.

Nadal does everything for a practical reason. I am sure delaying tactic, is just another way to improve his chances of winning.

I was actually speaking of the crossover at the net that occurs just after 2 games have been played following the change of ends. You'll notice that he'll stand at the net and wait for his opponent to cross before he does even when he's arrived at the net first.

TennisAddicted
06-30-2010, 04:11 PM
Pathetic hater thread, this.

+1
and i add to that... Pathetic Poster ;)

moonlightdance
06-30-2010, 04:14 PM
how dare he have personal tics, preferences, and habits. arrogant prick.

The Pro
06-30-2010, 04:45 PM
I was actually speaking of the crossover at the net that occurs just after 2 games have been played following the change of ends. You'll notice that he'll stand at the net and wait for his opponent to cross before he does even when he's arrived at the net first.

It's courtesy. If he insisted on going first there'd be a V.Williams/Spirlea moment and no one wants that.

Well, actually everyone does, but it's probably also superstition. I wonder if Nadal thinks he has to turn his bathroom light on and off twenty times when he goes to bed or his family will die. :eek::sad:

andylovesaustin
06-30-2010, 04:47 PM
Burn him at the stake?

:rolls:

born_on_clay
06-30-2010, 04:49 PM
It's because he's a gentleman and always let's the opponent go first, just like he lets them shake the umpire's hand first when he wins.:)

this one express my thoughts :worship:

missvarsha
06-30-2010, 05:43 PM
how dare he have personal tics, preferences, and habits. arrogant prick.

Sigh - that wasn't the OPs question.
The question was WHY don't players exploit these tics to make a mental advantage for themselves.

Tom_Bombadil
06-30-2010, 05:46 PM
:D:D:D Great post, you just solved the Nadal equation. That bastard was lucky noone had realized that before.

Stefanos13
06-30-2010, 05:48 PM
On the changeover when players must cross the net, Nadal always crosses after his opponent Why is that all of his opponents oblige his habit? I'm sure they've taken note. Call me petty but I'd force him to cross before me on occasion.

When you get the opportunity let us know

Priam
06-30-2010, 05:49 PM
The match isn't decided by who goes first on the changeover, obviously.

It would be interesting if someone: a) "accidentally" kicked the bottles, b) made him wait on the lead-up to the coin-toss, c) copied his sprint to the baseline after the toss.

The Magician
06-30-2010, 05:55 PM
From the way Nadal handles the coin toss, the way he handles changing sides, the way he forces his opponents to come out to the court first, to the time delays, coaching, injury timeouts, etc, everything he does is designed to get under his opponents skin and take them out of their comfort zone. He's basically the same as Crazy Dani but he uses subtle actions he can get away with rather than trash talking and fighting. As long as the ATP and the umps refuse to enforce the rules, a player like Nadal will be very successful.

@Sweet Cleopatra
06-30-2010, 05:56 PM
Well, if it's a behavior that he performs routinely, it must be important to him. He's done it enough that as a viewer I have noticed. I would imagine his opponents notice it as well. It's one of many rituals he performs on court but one of a few that his opponents can disrupt. It makes me wonder why none of them force him to do something different.

Rituals? :scared:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZxgtUANXpU&feature=related

River
06-30-2010, 05:57 PM
The dude has a ritual and it works.

We all knew since 2005-2006 that Rafa was very obsessive-compulsive about a bunch of stuff on-court.

M4RC
06-30-2010, 06:03 PM
From the way Nadal handles the coin toss, the way he handles changing sides, the way he forces his opponents to come out to the court first, to the time delays, coaching, injury timeouts, etc, everything he does is designed to get under his opponents skin and take them out of their comfort zone. He's basically the same as Crazy Dani but he uses subtle actions he can get away with rather than trash talking and fighting. As long as the ATP and the umps refuse to enforce the rules, a player like Nadal will be very successful.

I'm sure that if you had to play this Friday against him you could use all of his "subtle (cheating --- no?) actions" against him and you'd win easily.

blknoc
06-30-2010, 07:02 PM
Sigh - that wasn't the OPs question.
The question was WHY don't players exploit these tics to make a mental advantage for themselves.

Thanks! I'm glad someone understood my question.

careergrandslam
06-30-2010, 07:12 PM
rafa doesnt step on the lines as well.
ever notice that?

but now he doesnt pull his socks up like he used to do in 2005-2006.
remember that habit?

peribsen
06-30-2010, 07:22 PM
From the way Nadal handles the coin toss, the way he handles changing sides, the way he forces his opponents to come out to the court first, to the time delays, coaching, injury timeouts, etc, everything he does is designed to get under his opponents skin and take them out of their comfort zone. He's basically the same as Crazy Dani but he uses subtle actions he can get away with rather than trash talking and fighting. As long as the ATP and the umps refuse to enforce the rules, a player like Nadal will be very successful.

Probably Nadal's biggest strenght is his capacity to keep cool in the really important points. That's why he saves so many BP and is not easy to break despite his serve not being that good.

All his routines are focused on that target: concentration. Before each serve, when he places his hair locks behind his ears, he is putting all else aside and centring only on that particular point.

You choose to think it's all about getting his rivals nervous because you are a hater, simple as that. No player who gives his full attention to the rival gets very far, it's the ball and your own attitude that you need to think of if you are going to win really big matches.

A fortunate side-effect of his rituals is that they make the other guy feel uneasy, but not so much because he plays slowly as because he seems impossible to unruffle. When you are winning, you expect the other guy to signal he is nervous, to change his pace, to make mistakes, to show anxiety. Rafa just keeps his cool and goes own behaving his way.

It obviously not always works, Rafa is human.

But since when staying cool under fire and sticking to your own way of doing things is a defect in a sportsman instead of it being a virtue?

latso
06-30-2010, 08:33 PM
It's courtesy. If he insisted on going first there'd be a V.Williams/Spirlea moment and no one wants that.

Well, actually everyone does, but it's probably also superstition. I wonder if Nadal thinks he has to turn his bathroom light on and off twenty times when he goes to bed or his family will die. :eek::sad:

:haha::rolls:

Veronique
06-30-2010, 10:08 PM
Nadal must have won an important match today.

Har-Tru
06-30-2010, 10:12 PM
How can any one find this important?

Colouring your posts is clearly more important.

DuMa
06-30-2010, 10:34 PM
i think you have to be more concerned with his bottles placement rather than letting the opponent change over first.