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Federer the new #3 next week

Ivo#1Fan
06-30-2010, 04:00 PM
With today's results I believe this in correct.

Jaz
06-30-2010, 04:03 PM
Expected, doesn't really matter any more. I don't think Roger has what it takes in the tank to climb back up without the USO and AO, and frankly I don't think it's possible for him with his current form.

andy neyer
06-30-2010, 04:11 PM
Wow.

samanosuke
06-30-2010, 04:12 PM
He doesn't deserve to be in top 10

DorianGray7
06-30-2010, 04:16 PM
Roger should retire. He has nothing left.

I can't believe it's the end of an ERA. I wish I watched him when he was JesusFed - only started watching in 2008. Terrible

Silvester
06-30-2010, 04:20 PM
why should he retire? because he's not #1 anymore, in that case every single player should retire to leave just one player at #1. There's no reason for him to retire unless he wants to, unless he wants to spend the extra time with his family instead of travelling all over the place bringing his twins along. I'm sure it's not easy going around to different countries with 1 year old twins.

Matt01
06-30-2010, 04:22 PM
I guess Rafa and Nole are #1 and #2 then? Good. :lick:

coonster14
06-30-2010, 04:28 PM
I guess Rafa and Nole are #1 and #2 then? Good. :lick:

this is awesome, my 2 favourite players as well. :yeah:

tennis2tennis
06-30-2010, 04:29 PM
does he care :shrug:

Sapeod
06-30-2010, 04:30 PM
End of an era, but he should stay top 10 for a while. There is no need for the GOAT to retire when he can still make good money and do well in tournaments. He's not completely done, and he could still win another slam. Anyway, Federer doesn't care about rankings, just a shame he'll lose the no.2 spot to Fakervic :o

Langers
06-30-2010, 04:31 PM
this is awesome, my 2 favourite players as well. :yeah:
Ditto. :yeah:

JolánGagó
06-30-2010, 04:33 PM
I hope he manages to break the weeks at n.3 ATP record.

MagicMilan
06-30-2010, 04:34 PM
this is awesome, my 2 favourite players as well. :yeah:
:D

tennis2tennis
06-30-2010, 04:35 PM
I don't hate nole but i'd much rather murray or robin take the no 2 slot

moonxyz
06-30-2010, 04:46 PM
Time to retire before being beaten in the 1st rounds...

rafa the best
06-30-2010, 04:50 PM
It really doesn't matter, he needs to rest and bring back the focus.

Paylu2007
06-30-2010, 04:53 PM
well, with all what he has done, the ranking doesnt matter anymore, if he is not the #1 he cant break that record, so it doesnt matter if he is #16... I think he can still win more GS (at least one) but im sure he wont ever be #1 again, his game is not there anymore...

Maybe he should be retiring after AO11 when he is not able to defend it :(

R.Federer
06-30-2010, 05:13 PM
heh heh... haven't seen those kinds of numbers next to Fed's name in soooooooo long.
Ladies and Gentlemen, the ex-number 1, the ex-number 2....Roger Federer!

federernadalfan
06-30-2010, 05:14 PM
federer is still the fav. for us open...

djb84xi
06-30-2010, 05:14 PM
I think even if Fed does go down to No. 3 next week, to me, he will still feel like a No. 2 player. Djokovic hasn't done squat all year, so even if he goes up to No. 2, I will still see him as No. 3.

Ariadne
06-30-2010, 05:39 PM
federer is still the fav. for us open...

LOL!

brent-o
06-30-2010, 05:42 PM
Deserved. He's certainly not playing like the world number 1 he used to be.

jenanun
06-30-2010, 05:45 PM
according to roger himself, there is only no.1 and the rest.... so that's no difference to him whether he is no .2 , 3, 10 or 99.....

tangerine_dream
06-30-2010, 05:50 PM
Federer the new #3 next week
Congrats, Roger. :hatoff:

abraxas21
06-30-2010, 05:53 PM
Too much schadenfraude in this forum.

You people are pathetic.

born_on_clay
06-30-2010, 05:55 PM
this is awesome, my 2 favourite players as well. :yeah:

my too :)
great news
It's a shame Roger couldn'e beat the record established by Sampras :mad:

Fedexex
06-30-2010, 05:56 PM
Well done:yeah:

acionescu
06-30-2010, 06:14 PM
This sucks, tbh :(

MrChopin
06-30-2010, 06:15 PM
Good. Hope he draws Rafa at the USO SF if he's still #3/#4, otherwise QF/R4.

Ad Wim
06-30-2010, 06:17 PM
6,5 years ago that he was below top 2 :sad:

heya
06-30-2010, 06:17 PM
He'd be #2 if Roddick accommodates
him every tournament.

Frooty_Bazooty
06-30-2010, 06:17 PM
he's still number 2 in the race. djokovic has a lot of points to defend after wimbledon

alter ego
06-30-2010, 06:19 PM
He'll be back. Just needs to be healthy and train hard this next weeks before the Us Open series. I really think that lung infection affected him hard because he couldn't get the all important Dubai training sesion. There is no way in hell isn't winning other slams.

BlueSwan
06-30-2010, 06:25 PM
After the AO next year he'll be low top 10.

Ben.
06-30-2010, 06:26 PM
This is a shock to me, didn't realise this was mathematically possible short of Djokovic winning the title.

lurker
06-30-2010, 06:28 PM
I guess Rafa and Nole are #1 and #2 then? Good. :lick:

Yes!!! At last!:)

Mike_Hunt
06-30-2010, 06:29 PM
Still overranked. :rolleyes:

Chair Umpire
06-30-2010, 06:34 PM
With today's results I believe this in correct.

Orgasmatroll must be devastated. Tennis will be dead for him anymore if Federer doesn't own all the tournaments and all the rankings.

missvarsha
06-30-2010, 06:36 PM
Well to be fair the way Federer has played post Australia, it's deserved - and barring a miracle turnaround, he might be out of the top 5 once the Cinci and USO points come off as well.

andylovesaustin
06-30-2010, 06:40 PM
Hewitt is still playing and competitive. :shrug:

I just don't understand why people WANT Roger to retire--just because he MAY have other INTERESTS in his life now.

I personally don't think it's his body letting him down--even though he might have an injury or two. I just think it's difficult for him to get motivated..

Roger has nothing to prove. He's going to be on the cover of vogue. He looked terrific when shaking hands with the Queen. I'm just saying... Roger might not be looking at tennis as a "live or die" situation anymore which I think is a lot healthier.

I even like Roger was "Andy Roddick" like in his presser.
Too bad Andy can't be more Roger-like in his tennis. But... you know, Andy seems like he has fun and is pretty happy. So...why can't Roger have some fun for a change?

The Magician
06-30-2010, 06:48 PM
After years and years the wheels are finally falling off the Fed bandwagon. When he loses MTF's favorite player contest that's when you really know he's done :haha:

heya
06-30-2010, 06:58 PM
Federer should retire because he's celebrating
as he sees a choking big server.
Roddick gets free money &
has fun even when a plane slams down his
short bus, with his entire family inside.
Players use sarcasm when they have light conversations.
They don't bitch with bitterness
after they did nothing to prepare for tournaments.

Deivid23
06-30-2010, 07:12 PM
Being #3 in the world is very good! Roger :yeah:

TennisOnWood
06-30-2010, 07:14 PM
After long 347 weeks

Xristos
06-30-2010, 07:16 PM
End of an era.

andylovesaustin
06-30-2010, 07:16 PM
Federer should retire because he's celebrating
as he sees a choking big server.
Roddick gets free money &
has fun even when a plane slams down his
short bus, with his entire family inside.
Players use sarcasm when they have light conversations.
They don't bitch with bitterness
after they did nothing to prepare for tournaments.

At least Roger wasn't sobbing with disappointment. I'll take bitching with bitterness after today's loss over sobbing uncontrollably any time.

It ain't all that serious to be sobbing uncontrollably during an awards presentation, but a little bitchiness at a presser on occasion is understandable, particularly from Roger Federer after today's match.

In fact, his bitchiness was more in support of the OTHER players including but not limited to Rafa.. more than himself. It's as if the media forgot Birdie, Rafa, Murray, Nole..etc., were all contenders.

:ras:

About Andy and his free money? Well.. the truth is a lot of top professional athletes get free money. How do you think they become so rich?

Other than that, no comment.

Persimmon
06-30-2010, 07:17 PM
How the mighty have fallen.

andylovesaustin
06-30-2010, 07:24 PM
How the mighty have fallen.

Well like they say, it's better to be a "has-been" than nothing at all. Whatever the future holds, no one can ever say Roger was an underachieving nobody, never fulfilling his potential; that's for sure. :shrug:

Fed=ATPTourkilla
06-30-2010, 07:24 PM
Poor Roger. I may be extremely biased but the Wimbledon final won't feel like the Wimbledon final without him there. It's inevitable, though - happens to everyone and will happen to all the guys still in the draw in time.

philosophicalarf
06-30-2010, 08:07 PM
The real problem will be when del potro gets back, fed could fall outside top4, and starts losing much earlier in slams as a result.

hurricanejeanne
06-30-2010, 08:17 PM
He always had to come down eventually. :shrug:

Roger is the GOAT and he doesn't need or half to retire until he either loses all desire to play or starts to get beat by random challenger scrubs in the first rounds.

nastoff
06-30-2010, 08:20 PM
He looked like an old man who was relieved that the ordeal was over when shaking hands with giant Berdych...I hope he recovers somehow but it doesn't look likely.

Rafaspin
06-30-2010, 08:23 PM
What was the most ranking points Fed ever held at one time?

scarecrows
06-30-2010, 08:24 PM
it's the curse of the razor

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01203/CONSUMER_Adverts_T_1203733c.jpg

Arakasi
06-30-2010, 08:52 PM
What was the most ranking points Fed ever held at one time?

It was some ridiculous figure near the end of 2006. Back then they used the old point scoring system so I'm not sure what it would be if we converted it to the new point system. My guess would be around 16-17000 points. Unsuprisingly, this is by far and away the most points ever held at one time by a world #1.

Arkulari
06-30-2010, 08:56 PM
He had 8370 at the end of 2006 with the old system, that would be 16740 points with the current system :eek:

ShotmaKer
06-30-2010, 08:57 PM
it's the curse of the razor

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01203/CONSUMER_Adverts_T_1203733c.jpg

:lol: undoubtedly.

careergrandslam
06-30-2010, 09:00 PM
im really sad, we wont get anymore fedal finals if they end up in the same side of the draw.
i hate this sport.

Aenea
06-30-2010, 09:26 PM
It is sad to see players moving up in the rankings without having done anything to achieve that themselves but only benefiting on others losing points. I would hate for my fav to rise up in rankings that way and I am very happy for Rafa that whenever he grabbed the #1 spot he has always backed that up by winning big tournaments and majors.
As for Fed being at #3, it doesn't really matter. No one can take from him his 16 Slams and that is what remains, ranking is temporary and often changes.

Sunset of Age
06-30-2010, 09:28 PM
im really sad, we wont get anymore fedal finals if they end up in the same side of the draw.
i hate this sport.

What makes you conclude they will end up in the same side of the draw? Chances of that to happen are still 50%.

Aenea
06-30-2010, 09:35 PM
im really sad, we wont get anymore fedal finals if they end up in the same side of the draw.
i hate this sport.

What makes you conclude they will end up in the same side of the draw? Chances of that to happen are still 50%.

That's why s/he said "If" :wavey:

careergrandslam
06-30-2010, 09:45 PM
What makes you conclude they will end up in the same side of the draw? Chances of that to happen are still 50%.

with other players starting to win more against roger and rafa, there is less and less finals between the 2 champions.
when they face off one on one, its sports at its very best, pretty much everyone is watching all over the planet.

now they are both struggling, both are not playing well at the same time.

i dont want to see roger and rafa struggle like this, it looks like their era is ending.
i am so very sad.
tennis will NEVER be the same without these 2 guys on tour playing in finals against eachother ranked number 1 and number 2.

:sobbing::sobbing:

please god give us one more fedal 5-set thriller in a slam final like 2008 wimbledon final.
i want to see the greatest rivalry in sports history go one more time.

this is a sad time for fans of this iconic rivalry.:sobbing:

Bargearse
06-30-2010, 10:54 PM
Federer has been such a dominate player for so many years, especially at Wimbledon, that no one ever expects him to lose - Federer included. Other dominant players like Nadal could lose or slip down the rankings and it isn't such a big deal, but Federer isn't allowed to lose. This loss didn't shock me - I'm shocked he didn't go out in the first round, but the loss has shocked the world - like the 911 of sport.

Maybe a drop in the rankings will be just the thing to get him motivated & work on his game but I doubt it. He treats lesser events with disrespect, hasn't had a coach in eons & has become too accustomed to winning matches courtesy of his opponents choking. Not happening so much these days. I think a lot of his problems are mental - he can't break serve & isn't playing the big points well anymore. Perhaps a sports psychologist could help him or just some good old fashioned shock treatment.:eek:

Filo V.
06-30-2010, 11:01 PM
With the way Roger has played outside of slams this year and in recent years, those results at Basel, Cincinnati are definitely up for challenge too, and his rank could fall further, especially since Murray lost early at US Open last year and he made the final. His ranking accurately reflects his overall level this year. I still think he's a top 5 player, but he simply isn't good enough anymore to dominate the tour. It's age catching up to him naturally as it does with everyone. He's not completely done and shouldn't retire, as he is still one of the main threats to win at any event he shows up in, and can still potentially win majors. He's just become increasingly vulnerable to losing to any player having a hot day at this point.

Nole fan
06-30-2010, 11:07 PM
You're all crying babies. :lol:

jonas
06-30-2010, 11:08 PM
With the way Roger has played outside of slams this year and in recent years, those results at Basel, Cincinnati are definitely up for challenge too, and his rank could fall further, especially since Murray lost early at US Open last year and he made the final. His ranking accurately reflects his overall level this year. I still think he's a top 5 player, but he simply isn't good enough anymore to dominate the tour. It's age catching up to him naturally as it does with everyone. He's not completely done and shouldn't retire, as he is still one of the main threats to win at any event he shows up in, and can still potentially win majors. He's just become increasingly vulnerable to losing to any player having a hot day at this point.

:lol: He won a GS five months ago, for crying out loud.

Lee
06-30-2010, 11:08 PM
it's the curse of the razor

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01203/CONSUMER_Adverts_T_1203733c.jpg

:haha:

dabeast
06-30-2010, 11:08 PM
yeah i keep waiting for his wakeup calls to sink in, Fed already mentioned that he got them after IW, Miami and Roma disasters, now this qf loss to Berdych in his fave tourney, getting further away from his #1 spot, just want his head to get out of denial and work on his game. He's so damn stubborn, i know he can still do it, he's still motivated and has the biggest passion for tennis, just complete loss of confidence in all aspects of his game, esp his fh. Bloody shame that fh.

we'll see what happens after his 2 week hols with mirka

Sunset of Age
06-30-2010, 11:13 PM
with other players starting to win more against roger and rafa, there is less and less finals between the 2 champions.
when they face off one on one, its sports at its very best, pretty much everyone is watching all over the planet.

Less finals, but the chances they might meet may go up, as it's no longer mandatory for both of them to reach the final for that to happen.
"Always look at the bright side of life!"

And btw, I vaguely remember that Rafa has been doing pretty well lately. :scratch:

yeah i keep waiting for his wakeup calls to sink in, Fed already mentioned that he got them after IW, Miami and Roma disasters, now this qf loss to Berdych in his fave tourney, getting further away from his #1 spot, just want his head to get out of denial and work on his game. He's so damn stubborn, i know he can still do it, he's still motivated and has the biggest passion for tennis, just complete loss of confidence in all aspects of his game, esp his fh. Bloody shame that fh.

He's had plenty of those wake-up calls already, and I honestly don't believe anyone can be that stubborn for comfort, but who knows. ;)
I think it's Sampras Route from now on, perhaps one of two more slams in the coming two years, but that's it. Nothing to be ashamed about btw. :)

Bargearse
06-30-2010, 11:14 PM
it's the curse of the razor

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01203/CONSUMER_Adverts_T_1203733c.jpg

:rolls: he who lives by the razor dies by the razor I guess. edit: I can think of a few other players I wish Gilette would sponsor!

star
06-30-2010, 11:22 PM
He doesn't deserve to be in top 10

:rolleyes: You are delusional.

End of an era, but he should stay top 10 for a while. There is no need for the GOAT to retire when he can still make good money and do well in tournaments. He's not completely done, and he could still win another slam. Anyway, Federer doesn't care about rankings, just a shame he'll lose the no.2 spot to Fakervic :o

Federer cares intensely about rankings. Who are you kidding?

well, with all what he has done, the ranking doesnt matter anymore, if he is not the #1 he cant break that record, so it doesnt matter if he is #16... I think he can still win more GS (at least one) but im sure he wont ever be #1 again, his game is not there anymore...

Maybe he should be retiring after AO11 when he is not able to defend it :(

He said he wants to play until he's in his mid 30s.

I think even if Fed does go down to No. 3 next week, to me, he will still feel like a No. 2 player. Djokovic hasn't done squat all year, so even if he goes up to No. 2, I will still see him as No. 3.

It doesn't matter where you see him. It matters where he ends up in the draw.

he's still number 2 in the race. djokovic has a lot of points to defend after wimbledon

True. I'd forgotten what a gaudy year end Djoko had. I guess this year wiped that out of my mind. It sort of comes down to how they perform at the USO.

emotion
06-30-2010, 11:28 PM
Nole is deserving. People have such short memories. Remember the end of '09?

Silvester
07-01-2010, 12:17 AM
people are ridiculous. You make it sound like #3 in the world is terrible, how many of the players in the top 10 would love to be sitting at #3. Did everyone expect him to keep at #1 or #2 till he's 40? Give me a break. Nadal was at #4 not all too long ago I beleive.

tektonac
07-01-2010, 12:26 AM
6,5 years ago that he was below top 2 :sad:

and as we are witnessing, tards are not acknowledging this extraordinary achievement :rolleyes:

KarlyM
07-01-2010, 01:05 AM
#3 is a bit shocking to see at first, but not surprising given his results in the past year.

Anyone who thinks Federer should retire obviously hasn't learned anything the last 2 years. Things can change drastically very quickly when you think so-and-so is "finished." It's not over until it's over. ;)

it's the curse of the razor

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01203/CONSUMER_Adverts_T_1203733c.jpg Yup, that's exactly it! :haha:

ORGASMATRON
07-01-2010, 01:08 AM
im glad this is happening. the worse it gets for the GOAT the more likely he is to drop his arrogance.

tennishero
07-01-2010, 01:15 AM
federer should retire, or at least plan to... (maybe 2012), hes achieved almost everything and broken every record, he deserves to end his career on a high.

guptaji
07-01-2010, 01:34 AM
im glad this is happening. the worse it gets for the GOAT the more likely he is to drop his arrogance. But Nadal is far from being arrogant.

ORGASMATRON
07-01-2010, 01:38 AM
But Nadal is far from being arrogant.

talking about wishful thinking..

guptaji
07-01-2010, 01:45 AM
talking about wishful thinking..

Lol.. no - you were. I was just making fun of you. I don't see being "GOAT" as a listed achievement on any tennis player's wikipedia page.

bad gambler
07-01-2010, 04:31 AM
Federer should retire because he's celebrating
as he sees a choking big server.
Roddick gets free money &
has fun even when a plane slams down his
short bus, with his entire family inside.
Players use sarcasm when they have light conversations.
They don't bitch with bitterness
after they did nothing to prepare for tournaments.

Wow that random even for your standards!

Manequin75
07-01-2010, 04:38 AM
when fed wins the US open all you guys will shut up.

bark away for now.

Go Fed!!!!!!!!!!!

Priam
07-01-2010, 04:51 AM
Shocking to see him as #3 at USO if it happens. Maybe Roddick can finally beat him.

Kip
07-01-2010, 04:53 AM
IMO, a challenge for Roger.

Will he step up or flame out?

I think he will step up but we shall see.

Johnny Groove
07-01-2010, 05:11 AM
Federer will be 29 in early August. He's still got a few more years to win slams, but he severely needs to get his act together.

Wow that random even for your standards!

heya, the poet well ahead of her time.

Quite bizarre indeed.

Roddickominator
07-01-2010, 05:27 AM
I think Federer will have a Rocky moment and make a comeback....but he still has to hit bottom first.

.-Federers_Mate-.
07-01-2010, 09:22 AM
sounds horrible. Novak does not deserve this, he has beeen playing shit all year

bayvalle
07-01-2010, 10:25 AM
IMO, a challenge for Roger.

Will he step up or flame out?

I think he will step up but we shall see.

For all his prized possessions in life at present (twins, family, true friends, foundations he set up for poor and hungry children of Africa, not to mention material things such as a number of villas he owns around the world, money in the bank, yachts, etc.), I don't think the new ranking will ever bring about a loss of face for Roger. Ranking is just a piece of scrap paper. Congrats to the new No. 1 and No. 2.

tennisfaNo1
07-01-2010, 10:48 AM
Lol.. no - you were. I was just making fun of you. I don't see being "GOAT" as a listed achievement on any tennis player's wikipedia page.

Roger Federer (born 8 August 1981) is a Swiss professional tennis player. As of 28 June 2010, he is ranked World No. 2 by the Association of Tennis Professionals (ATP). He previously held the number one position for a record 237 consecutive weeks[3] and 285 total weeks, one week behind record holder Pete Sampras.

Considered by many to be the greatest tennis player of all time,[4][5][6][7][8] Federer has won a male record 16 Grand Slam singles titles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Federer

BK 201
07-01-2010, 11:01 AM
Wouldn't that be something; Djokovic, who has not beaten a top 10 opponent this year is #2. Federer with 16 slams is #3 and Murray with 0 slams at 4.

The only person who actually deserves that Ranking is Nadal, who is the best player in the world. Djokovic managed to get the luckiest breaks ever this tournament and the two guys who owned him (Fed and Rod) both got KO'd.

Johnny_Bravo
07-01-2010, 11:31 AM
He doesn't deserve to be in top 10

completely agree:worship:

Gillete got them all :cool:

andylovesaustin
07-01-2010, 02:20 PM
But Nadal is far from being arrogant.

Are you being sarcastic?

For the record, Rafa is arrogant, too. In fact, he's gotten more arrogant, but he has the success to back it up. :shrug: It's not like his arrogance his misplaced. It's not like he's delusional.

I don't think Rafa is the same guy he was before his lay-off.
Rafa doesn't take a lot bs anymore. Like in his presser when the media asked about Sodapop's time-out--trying to stir the pot, Rafa answered,"It's in the rules, so it's up to him when he wants to take a MTO, not me."

I like the fact he defended his Uncle Toni. I like the fact he told his uncle to be quiet while at the same time taking-up for him, too.

I like the fact Rafa has gotten more... arrogant for lack of a better word. I like that he states "his claim," as in wanting to be considered the GOAT.

I don't think Rafa is the same seemingly humble guy if he ever was, but that doesn't mean he's not to going sign autographs or hug a crazy fan profressing his love for Rafa on the court :unsure:

He knows what he wants in tennis though. And he speaks his mind whether one agrees with him or not at least he's not all "saintlike." I like the fact he realizes he has earned all the accolades he's gotten in tennis and should be proud of it.

star
07-01-2010, 02:22 PM
Are you being sarcastic?

For the record, Rafa is arrogant, too. In fact, he's gotten more arrogant, but he has the success to back it up. :shrug: It's not like his arrogance his misplaced. It's not like he's delusional.

I don't think Rafa is the same guy he was before his lay-off.
Rafa doesn't take a lot bs anymore. Like in his presser when the media asked about Sodapop's time-out--trying to stir the pot, Rafa answered,"It's in the rules, so it's up to him when he wants to take a MTO, not me."

I like the fact he defended his Uncle Toni. I like the fact he told his uncle to be quiet while at the same time taking-up for him, too.

I like the fact Rafa has gotten more... arrogant for lack of a better word. I like that he states "his claim," as in wanting to be considered the GOAT.

I don't think Rafa is the same seemingly humble guy if he ever was, but that doesn't mean he's not to going sign autographs or hug a crazy fan profressing his love for Rafa on the court :unsure:

He knows what he wants in tennis though. And he speaks his mind whether one agrees with him or not at least he's not all "saintlike." I like the fact he realizes he has earned all the accolades he's gotten in tennis and should be proud of it.

Aren't you mixing up "arrogant" and "confident?" There's a difference.

MIMIC
07-01-2010, 02:48 PM
Wouldn't that be something; Djokovic, who has not beaten a top 10 opponent this year is #2. Federer with 16 slams is #3 and Murray with 0 slams at 4.

And Sampras, with 14 slams, isn't even ranked! :eek:

vn01
07-01-2010, 02:48 PM
Congratulations Roger! You deserve the no.3 spot.

MacTheKnife
07-01-2010, 02:56 PM
I don't recall meeting a humble man wearing a half million dollar watch.. Maybe I have and just forgot.. :lol: After all it's really important to know what time it is when you're in the 5th set..

andylovesaustin
07-01-2010, 02:56 PM
Aren't you mixing up "arrogant" and "confident?" There's a difference.

NO. arrogant- overbearingly proud; haughty.(American Heritage Dictionary) For some people Rafa or Roger is "overbearingly proud." :lol: I just think they have every reason to be.

I mean I think it's all a matter of degree and personal interpretation. Some would say Rafa daring to state he's wants to be consider GOAT is "overbearingly proud, or haughty" as in "arrogant," for example. And it might be, but the point is that's what he wants. He's already achieved greatness, so in a way, what's to stop him from achieving more if he puts his mind to it, injuries notwithstanding?

It might also be a bit arrogant for him or Roger to admit injuries might have affected their games. The truth is we have all seen Rafa and Roger play at their best when injuries weren't affecting their games, and they usually win. It might be arrogance for Rafa or Roger to admit to having a "bad day." A lot people think it's demeaning to their opponents. Well it might be, but it also might be true, too. :shrug: They believe if they play their best, they can and should win.

What I'm saying they've EARNED the right to be a little arrogant. They have high expectations of themselves, and why shouldn't they?It's not like they skip-out on entire surfaces. Roger and Rafa are always out there trying at least. They are always putting themselves in contention for every slam. It's not like they put their "needs" over the needs of the sport, in other words. :shrug:

As I said in another thread, I think it's detrimentally arrogant of Andy Roddick to just dismiss clay year after year, for example. I really never realized it until this year.. that the clay season wasn't very important to Andy. Considering he's a professional athlete and a top ten tennis player, I think it's a slap in the face to tennis for Andy to have this attitude.

I like Andy. I want to support him. But I can't support getting paid to just go through the motions year after year, never even trying to have a chance to win the French as if it doesn't matter. To me, that's pretty "haughty," "aloof," or "arrogant." I don't see Roger or Rafa just throwing their hands-up, admitting that a surface has defeated them, have you? What if they just skipped-out at the U.S. Open or put-in a half-assed effort to win it because that surface isn't their "thing." People would be all over them about it.

So neither Rafa nor Roger may not be able to handle the press as well as Andy in defeat, but then again, they aren't in the position of losing close matches all the time either. ;) I mean... Andy has it down to a science! He's had enough practice knowing how to be a good loser. I wonder if Andy would be so gracious if he ever achieved the same amount of success as Roger or Rafa?

Conversely, Rafa and Roger go out there because they believe they can win while acknowledging their competition. If they play up to their potential, they just think they're better than their competition on most days. And on most days, they're correct as their records indicate. If it's arrogance, so be it, but I just think it's a mindset of champion.

Ouragan
07-01-2010, 03:21 PM
It's time for the Senior Tour, old dude. Good luck against the likes of Henman, Leconte et al.

nalbyfan
07-01-2010, 03:53 PM
Only logical, he plays like a top 10 not like a n°2

mark73
07-01-2010, 04:03 PM
He's finished, winning the AO and two QF in grand slams means you suck. :retard:

The Oracle
07-01-2010, 05:40 PM
It is not his fault that he is not playing well, age does play a factor.
My prediction is that he will never become #1 and his embarassing French Open QF finish will be the nail in the coffin for his #1 ranking run. It is however time for a new rivlary however as Federer fades away.

Veronique
07-01-2010, 10:56 PM
It's the end of an era. It now depends on how much he wants to keep going and adding to his current already stellar achievements. As a parent, I know how children grab your heart and make you face what's more important in your life.
If he keeps going down in the rankings, he's going to be such a headache for higher ranked players who will have to face him in early rounds. It'll be interesting to see if he'll give it another push next year when he has relatively less points to defend and try and capture that elusive week at # 1 to match Pete and eventually surpass him. Stay tuned!

FormerRafaFan
07-01-2010, 11:20 PM
I think Fed being #3 is about right. He's not at the high level he used to be and other players are better than him right now. Nadal deserves to be #1 with all that he has accomplished the last few months. Same with Djokovic who has not had a terrible few months either, though not great. Fed on the other hand, well, it's only going down hill for him.

I hope Fed will look into himself, see what he has to work on, what he has to change to keep playing as good tennis as he did before. At least I hope he will, if his ego and stubborness don't get in the way. He needs some time to get his game together and maybe he should consider hiring a trainer/coach. He is not 24 years old anymore. The older you get, the harder it gets to play, and therefore takes more effort.

I hope he can get back the #1 and maybe even win a slam or two more before retiring. But I have to admit that it's not looking good right now.

Topspin Forehand
07-01-2010, 11:27 PM
He's finished, winning the AO and two QF in grand slams means you suck. :retard:
Exactly. He should retire. :wavey:

ORGASMATRON
07-01-2010, 11:35 PM
I don't recall meeting a humble man wearing a half million dollar watch.. Maybe I have and just forgot.. :lol: After all it's really important to know what time it is when you're in the 5th set..

he doesnt wear it when hes in the 5th set though ;)

Nole fan
07-02-2010, 12:48 AM
NO. arrogant- overbearingly proud; haughty.(American Heritage Dictionary) For some people Rafa or Roger is "overbearingly proud." :lol: I just think they have every reason to be.

I mean I think it's all a matter of degree and personal interpretation. Some would say Rafa daring to state he's wants to be consider GOAT is "overbearingly proud, or haughty" as in "arrogant," for example. And it might be, but the point is that's what he wants. He's already achieved greatness, so in a way, what's to stop him from achieving more if he puts his mind to it, injuries notwithstanding?

It might also be a bit arrogant for him or Roger to admit injuries might have affected their games. The truth is we have all seen Rafa and Roger play at their best when injuries weren't affecting their games, and they usually win. It might be arrogance for Rafa or Roger to admit to having a "bad day." A lot people think it's demeaning to their opponents. Well it might be, but it also might be true, too. :shrug: They believe if they play their best, they can and should win.

What I'm saying they've EARNED the right to be a little arrogant. They have high expectations of themselves, and why shouldn't they?It's not like they skip-out on entire surfaces. Roger and Rafa are always out there trying at least. They are always putting themselves in contention for every slam. It's not like they put their "needs" over the needs of the sport, in other words. :shrug:

As I said in another thread, I think it's detrimentally arrogant of Andy Roddick to just dismiss clay year after year, for example. I really never realized it until this year.. that the clay season wasn't very important to Andy. Considering he's a professional athlete and a top ten tennis player, I think it's a slap in the face to tennis for Andy to have this attitude.

I like Andy. I want to support him. But I can't support getting paid to just go through the motions year after year, never even trying to have a chance to win the French as if it doesn't matter. To me, that's pretty "haughty," "aloof," or "arrogant." I don't see Roger or Rafa just throwing their hands-up, admitting that a surface has defeated them, have you? What if they just skipped-out at the U.S. Open or put-in a half-assed effort to win it because that surface isn't their "thing." People would be all over them about it.

So neither Rafa nor Roger may not be able to handle the press as well as Andy in defeat, but then again, they aren't in the position of losing close matches all the time either. ;) I mean... Andy has it down to a science! He's had enough practice knowing how to be a good loser. I wonder if Andy would be so gracious if he ever achieved the same amount of success as Roger or Rafa?

Conversely, Rafa and Roger go out there because they believe they can win while acknowledging their competition. If they play up to their potential, they just think they're better than their competition on most days. And on most days, they're correct as their records indicate. If it's arrogance, so be it, but I just think it's a mindset of champion.

+1.

It never ceases to amaze me how people –even fans of a player– can dismiss someone so quickly and with such cruelty. Fed is the former AO champion, don't forget that. He crashed at QF in the last two slams... so what? :shrug:
I understand that Fed's greatness is so legendary that we expect him to be a genius all the time, invincible. But he's just human and he's not, invincible. Don't get ahead of yourselves. Federer will win again, but the only difference is that he won't be as dominant as before. More players will be in the equation and that can only be a good thing.

star
07-02-2010, 12:58 AM
NO. arrogant- overbearingly proud; haughty.(American Heritage Dictionary) For some people Rafa or Roger is "overbearingly proud." :lol: I just think they have every reason to be.

I mean I think it's all a matter of degree and personal interpretation. Some would say Rafa daring to state he's wants to be consider GOAT is "overbearingly proud, or haughty" as in "arrogant," for example. And it might be, but the point is that's what he wants. He's already achieved greatness, so in a way, what's to stop him from achieving more if he puts his mind to it, injuries notwithstanding?

It might also be a bit arrogant for him or Roger to admit injuries might have affected their games. The truth is we have all seen Rafa and Roger play at their best when injuries weren't affecting their games, and they usually win. It might be arrogance for Rafa or Roger to admit to having a "bad day." A lot people think it's demeaning to their opponents. Well it might be, but it also might be true, too. :shrug: They believe if they play their best, they can and should win.

What I'm saying they've EARNED the right to be a little arrogant. They have high expectations of themselves, and why shouldn't they?It's not like they skip-out on entire surfaces. Roger and Rafa are always out there trying at least. They are always putting themselves in contention for every slam. It's not like they put their "needs" over the needs of the sport, in other words. :shrug:

As I said in another thread, I think it's detrimentally arrogant of Andy Roddick to just dismiss clay year after year, for example. I really never realized it until this year.. that the clay season wasn't very important to Andy. Considering he's a professional athlete and a top ten tennis player, I think it's a slap in the face to tennis for Andy to have this attitude.

I like Andy. I want to support him. But I can't support getting paid to just go through the motions year after year, never even trying to have a chance to win the French as if it doesn't matter. To me, that's pretty "haughty," "aloof," or "arrogant." I don't see Roger or Rafa just throwing their hands-up, admitting that a surface has defeated them, have you? What if they just skipped-out at the U.S. Open or put-in a half-assed effort to win it because that surface isn't their "thing." People would be all over them about it.

So neither Rafa nor Roger may not be able to handle the press as well as Andy in defeat, but then again, they aren't in the position of losing close matches all the time either. ;) I mean... Andy has it down to a science! He's had enough practice knowing how to be a good loser. I wonder if Andy would be so gracious if he ever achieved the same amount of success as Roger or Rafa?

Conversely, Rafa and Roger go out there because they believe they can win while acknowledging their competition. If they play up to their potential, they just think they're better than their competition on most days. And on most days, they're correct as their records indicate. If it's arrogance, so be it, but I just think it's a mindset of champion.


Lotta words there.

You have a point about Andy, but I don't think it's the entire thing. Andy isn't always gracious in defeat -- with the press, but he rarely makes any excuses and nearly always says it's his game that was lacking. I suppose it's possible that neither Fed or Rafa feel that way. It's not worth disputing.

However, I disagree that Rafa is arrogant as in haughty or overbearingly proud. I think he shows the utmost respect for his colleagues. I do see him a bit more impatient with the press than he used to be, but still not arrogant with them. I don't think it is arrogant to state what your ambitions are.

For me, I don't think anyone EARNS the right to be arrogant. If I were close to Rafa, I would remind him that humble and kind is the way to be. So far, Rafa has done that. We will see how he carries on.

Persimmon
07-02-2010, 01:00 AM
If he wins a couple more slams, the ranking will be irrelevant.

star
07-02-2010, 01:05 AM
If he wins a couple more slams, the ranking will be irrelevant.

:lol:

If he wins a couple more slams, the ranking will revive.

Persimmon
07-02-2010, 01:09 AM
:lol:

If he wins a couple more slams, the ranking will revive.

If he only wins 1 slam next year and loses early everywhere else, doubt he will be #1.

star
07-02-2010, 01:17 AM
If he only wins 1 slam next year and loses early everywhere else, doubt he will be #1.

Sorry. I thought you meant two slams in a year. I see that you didn't.

I got to thinking about the ages of GS winners and found this site. http://www.tennis28.com/slams/agerecords_winners.html

It's kind of interesting. 24 seems to be the age with the greatest numbers of winners. certainly there is a bulge from 23 through 26. But there are a select few that win at 29,30,31. I had forgotten Arthur Ashe was 31 when he won Wimbledon -- bit of a different game then. Rosewall 37 when he won the AO for the umpty ump time. Different times as well.

jadey
07-02-2010, 02:27 AM
Lotta words there.

You have a point about Andy, but I don't think it's the entire thing. Andy isn't always gracious in defeat -- with the press, but he rarely makes any excuses and nearly always says it's his game that was lacking. I suppose it's possible that neither Fed or Rafa feel that way. It's not worth disputing.

However, I disagree that Rafa is arrogant as in haughty or overbearingly proud. I think he shows the utmost respect for his colleagues. I do see him a bit more impatient with the press than he used to be, but still not arrogant with them. I don't think it is arrogant to state what your ambitions are.

For me, I don't think anyone EARNS the right to be arrogant. If I were close to Rafa, I would remind him that humble and kind is the way to be. So far, Rafa has done that. We will see how he carries on.

agree , no one , no matter how great they are at something has earned the right to be arrogant. When I heard Roger say Im a great player and people love to see me , I cringed . If he were my son , even at 28 , Id be having a little talk with him, and reminding him that arrogance is never attractive.

bokehlicious
07-02-2010, 11:37 AM
However, I disagree that Rafa is arrogant as in haughty or overbearingly proud. I think he shows the utmost respect for his colleagues. I do see him a bit more impatient with the press than he used to be, but still not arrogant with them. I don't think it is arrogant to state what your ambitions are.


:hug: of course Rafito isn't arrogant, just like he doesn't waste time on court or never grunts either :cool: saint kid is way above all this :yeah: :hug:

andylovesaustin
07-02-2010, 02:51 PM
Lotta words there.

You have a point about Andy, but I don't think it's the entire thing. Andy isn't always gracious in defeat -- with the press, but he rarely makes any excuses and nearly always says it's his game that was lacking. I suppose it's possible that neither Fed or Rafa feel that way. It's not worth disputing.

However, I disagree that Rafa is arrogant as in haughty or overbearingly proud. I think he shows the utmost respect for his colleagues. I do see him a bit more impatient with the press than he used to be, but still not arrogant with them. I don't think it is arrogant to state what your ambitions are.

For me, I don't think anyone EARNS the right to be arrogant. If I were close to Rafa, I would remind him that humble and kind is the way to be. So far, Rafa has done that. We will see how he carries on.

No more than you've used on occasion. ;) And here comes another one.

It just seems to me, you just have some resentment about Roger.. and the way his fans have sort of hogged the forum from what I've read in your various discussions about Roger's arrogance.

You just don't like Roger (or his fans apparently), but you like Rafa. So you see Rafa as being confident and Roger as being arrogant. I see them both as arrogant at times but always confident.

It's not like Roger didn't give the Birdman credit. Roger gives as much credit in defeat as Rafa does. :shrug:

Look, I thought Roger sobbing throughout the entire AO trophy ceremony nearly two years ago was a bit much. I thought that was a little arrogant--as in overbearingly proud--so proud he couldn't accept defeat. Instead of sort of honoring Rafa's success, Roger made it all about Roger's his loss and own disappointment.

I've read Roger give less credit to his opponents, too. :shrug: As a matter of fact, I thought he was a little patronizing to Andy last year after his Wimbledon victory, but I'm a fan of Andy's, believe it or not, so maybe my perception was a bit skewed. The truth is, given all the success he's had, it's a little difficult for Roger NOT to appear patronizing. I was pissed at him when he beat Rafa in Spain, too, saying something to the fans like, "Sorry to disppoint you." For some reason, I just thought he was a little patronizing; at the same time, the remark was innocent enough, considering he beat Rafa AT HOME.

In this particular presser, some might say Roger is overbearingly proud by mentioning his injuries, but he also gives credit to the Birdman for playing well--"taking it to him." Rafa has done the same thing, so what's the difference?

And.. btw.. yeah.. what's up with Rafa pushing the limits of tennis rules? Is that NOT arrogant? Why does he take so much time before he serves? Is that not arrogant? Why should Rafa be allowed to do that, and the other players just accept this is the way he is? :shrug:

So...I just don't think Rafa APPEARS that much less arrogant than Roger and would be even more so if he had Roger's kind of success. I don't recall Roger ever making a public declaration that he'd like to be considered the GOAT, so... You don't think that's a little arrogant of Rafa?

It doesn't bother me. But it does bother some people, giving them even more reason not to be one of his fans. :shrug:

TennisAddicted
07-02-2010, 02:55 PM
congrats u champ!
hope u can get your #4 soon!

heya
07-02-2010, 07:38 PM
Federer believes he deserves more respect than he gets
just because big chokers
such as Roddick, Agassi, Baghdatis, Haas, Kiefer & Andreev
and occasional tankers Del Potro, Berdych & even Nadal gifted him trophies.
When I called :retard: Roddick the Fed apologist,
Roddick replied with his predictable, cowardly Federer ass kissing again.
He tattled to the British reporter that his supporters were "difficult". :lol: :spit:
Roddick's so silent, now that daddy Fed couldn't "win as many Slams as possible",
as Roddick wished for Federer.

Polikarpov
07-02-2010, 07:39 PM
Undoubtedly, the best World No.3 in history -- Federror.

GOAT.

thegreendestiny
07-05-2010, 07:41 AM
This is the first time since 2004 that Roger dipped below No. 2.

As of July 5, 2010:
1 Nadal, Rafael (ESP) 10,745
2 Djokovic, Novak (SRB) 6,905
3 Federer, Roger (SUI) 6,885
4 Murray, Andy (GBR) 5,155

Nadal is now sure to end the season as No.1 :worship:

coonster14
07-05-2010, 08:17 AM
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/11/09/2414397.htm

Roger hated being introduced as world #2, wonder how he feels about being introduced as world #3.
but i think Roger could get back to #2 before the US Open provided Djokovic loses early in Toronto and Cincinnati and Roger does not have any early exits at those two MS tournaments.

BackhandMissile
07-05-2010, 08:22 AM
This might mean Fedal semifinals.

n8
07-05-2010, 08:29 AM
This is the first time since 2004 that Roger dipped below No. 2.

As of July 5, 2010:
1 Nadal, Rafael (ESP) 10,745
2 Djokovic, Novak (SRB) 6,905
3 Federer, Roger (SUI) 6,885
4 Murray, Andy (GBR) 5,155

Nadal is now sure to end the season as No.1 :worship:

Forgive my franticness, but Federer hasn't been below #2 since November 2003 and Nadal is not sure to end the season as #1 (although extremely likely).

bokehlicious
07-05-2010, 08:31 AM
Roger hated being introduced as world #2, wonder how he feels about being introduced as world #3.

Oh yes, he "hated" that for sure, pretty sure he lost sleep over it and that was the beginning of him going downhill... :yeah:


:retard:

paseo
07-05-2010, 09:16 AM
Only 20 points? If Fed was to win just one more round at any of the MS he clowned, he would still be #2.

A_Skywalker
07-05-2010, 09:37 AM
Only 20 points? If Fed was to win just one more round at any of the MS he clowned, he would still be #2.

depends how much Djokovic and him have to defend during the american hard court season.

Acer
07-05-2010, 09:56 AM
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/11/09/2414397.htm

Roger hated being introduced as world #2, wonder how he feels about being introduced as world #3.
but i think Roger could get back to #2 before the US Open provided Djokovic loses early in Toronto and Cincinnati and Roger does not have any early exits at those two MS tournaments.

I remember him clearly saying that #2, 3 or whatever are pretty much the same coz it's only #1 that matters, or something to that effect. I doubt he feels any different about his ranking now than he did before Wimbledon.

.-Federers_Mate-.
07-05-2010, 11:11 AM
Novak needs his confidence back. Roger knows it

NadalSharapova
07-05-2010, 03:52 PM
There is the King nadal......and there is the rest who seem irrelevant for now

rocketassist
07-05-2010, 03:53 PM
Nole above Roger is so, so wrong.

philosophicalarf
07-05-2010, 04:06 PM
Fed could fall further - 60% of his points are from Cinci, US Open and Aus. If he only makes the semis in all three and equals his other results, he'll drop behind Murray/Sod/Davy.