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Federer's last 3 losses at Grand Slams

Leo
06-30-2010, 02:47 PM
Del Potro
Soderling
Berdych

Notice a trend?

LEGENDOFTENNIS
06-30-2010, 02:48 PM
He just hasn't got the tools to deal with these monsters anymore.

tennis2tennis
06-30-2010, 02:48 PM
Del Potro
Soderling
Berdych

Notice a trend?

it was bound 2 happen sooner or later!

Young 8
06-30-2010, 02:48 PM
He's 29

BlueSwan
06-30-2010, 02:51 PM
Del Potro
Soderling
Berdych

Notice a trend?
Absolutely. He used to dominate those type of players by playing faster than them and controlling their powershots tremendously well. He doesn't have the game to do that anymore - or at least he hasn't in a while. Furthermore, his return of serve has gotten progressively worse over the last couple of years.

Unless Federer works REALLY hard at his game, I think we've seen the last of JesusFed.

FNT
06-30-2010, 02:52 PM
The dude is old. Everything ends sometime... It's sad, but it's the only way it could've happened. RIP, JesusFed. Welcome, Grandpa Fed, bringing back the memories sometimes.

scoobs
06-30-2010, 02:53 PM
Huge hitters.

And it's because he moves less well and returns less well. He's just not putting them under service pressure, he chips back all the returns and they just smack the ball away or put him on the defence.

They can just hit through him as a result.

austyphoon
06-30-2010, 02:54 PM
He shanks his forehand a lot more then the past but what is really killing him is not converting break point chances...

Once upon a time he was supreme on those points but now....he's, to put it nicely, really bad.

Mechlan
06-30-2010, 02:54 PM
Funny, Federer used to have his way with these guys. They've finally turned the tables on him. His returns and defensive slices just aren't going to get it done against that kind of power anymore.

Har-Tru
06-30-2010, 02:54 PM
Del Potro
Soderling
Berdych

Notice a trend?

The future of tennis.

:zzz:

tennis2tennis
06-30-2010, 02:54 PM
Roger needs to do martina navratilova or andre agassi regroup work on fitness and power; he has the natural skills its not that the other guys are outplaying him; but his game is so error ridden right that he geniunley needs to sit down and ask what he wants to do!

kobulingam
06-30-2010, 02:55 PM
I noticed him limping and stretching his lower body a lot (by doing squats).

Paylu2007
06-30-2010, 02:57 PM
lol

if soderling defeats nadal, i declare his fan officially :D

and damm he is really hot!

stebs
06-30-2010, 02:57 PM
The big hitters were Federer's bread and butter in his prime but he isn't that player anymore. Still going to be a threat at slams but there are a lot of players who have the tools to take out Federer circa '10 on a good day.

tennis2tennis
06-30-2010, 02:58 PM
his tennis so laissez faire/carefree he needs a really good hardcourt season to get his game back in time for the US Open; he needs to use the masters-shields as stepping stone not because he needs them to buff up his resume but because gone are the days when he can play sloppy in the other tournaments and play killer tennis in the slams.

rubbERR
06-30-2010, 02:58 PM
he could have lost to falla who is biggest hitter in this planet :lol:

holagirl56
06-30-2010, 03:01 PM
The thing is, he's not getting blown off the court. He's winning 1, 2 sets with good tennis -- it's just that he's unable to keep it up. I can't say what's caused the complete and utter deterioration of his forehand, but one thing I do think he could is work on fitness.

DorianGray7
06-30-2010, 03:07 PM
I truly think Federer is done. Finished. Crushed.

I can't believe it. I first got into watching ATP tennis when I was 15 because of this hero. It's now the end of an era.

Roger is never gonna win a grand slam! ugh, I feel like there is nothing to live for anymore. My only regret is those Rafa-tards get the last laugh and get to pretend Roger is a useless cheating hack who plays weak slice tennis when Rafa is nothing but a brainless ball basher who pounds the ball as hard as he can.

ugh, there is no justice. GOD WILL GIVE US JSUTICE! for the love of GODDD WHY?

andy neyer
06-30-2010, 03:12 PM
He's slower. Can't return serve as good as he used to and can't move as fast as he used to. Age comes to everyone.

ORGASMATRON
06-30-2010, 03:12 PM
Del Potro
Soderling
Berdych

Notice a trend?

ive said this in my blog before. its old news. im not even surprised he lost today, even though i thought he would win.

Leo
06-30-2010, 03:18 PM
ive said this in my blog before. its old news. im not even surprised he lost today, even though i thought he would win.

Oh you've said on your blog before that Berdych beat Federer in the QF of Wimby 2010? Interesting.

It's more impressive when they do it in best-of-5.

DorianGray7
06-30-2010, 03:19 PM
I hope either Berdych or Murray wins this now.

Don't let the Rafa-tards win! PLEASE. Don't let Roger's death be in vain. Berdych YOU NEED TO GO ALL THE WAY or you've crushed millions of hearts for NOTHING.

kooties
06-30-2010, 03:20 PM
it's kinda sad. Fed used to be the best person to take out a ballbasher.

Who has the game to kill the bashers now? slice, we need you :sad:

abraxas21
06-30-2010, 03:35 PM
im not even surprised he lost today, even though i thought he would win.

That's putting it mildly :lol:

Let me remind you your comments from the WWW thread.

hilarious some of the predictions here. federer in 3 or 4.

the GOAT will show everyone just what a fluke that miami win was. no chance for berdych.

should be another routine win for the GOAT. they might as well put him in the final now. ah what the hell, just give him the trophy already.

this more or less. if birdshit is lucky he will get a set. and you know i dont get it wrong often...

:lol:

Sunset of Age
06-30-2010, 03:38 PM
That's putting it mildly :lol:

Let me remind you your comments from the WWW thread.

:lol:

I sometimes wonder whether Orgasmatron and Clay Death are secretely the same person, playing the perfect impersonification of both a Fedtard and a Rafaworshipper... :lol:

viruzzz
06-30-2010, 03:40 PM
Oh, shut up...

brent-o
06-30-2010, 03:42 PM
I sometimes wonder whether Orgasmatron and Clay Death are secretely the same person, playing the perfect impersonification of both a Fedtard and a Rafaworshipper... :lol:

They are certainly two sides of the same coin aren't they? lol

phelbyn
06-30-2010, 03:48 PM
Absolutely. He used to dominate those type of players by playing faster than them and controlling their powershots tremendously well. He doesn't have the game to do that anymore - or at least he hasn't in a while. Furthermore, his return of serve has gotten progressively worse over the last couple of years.

Unless Federer works REALLY hard at his game, I think we've seen the last of JesusFed.

My God people: You condemn and bash Federer as though he is playing like a pathetic moron. He's 29. I think he truly is one of the oldest VERY STRONG players of the open era.

I do think it's safe to say that any Grand Slam win from here on will likely be his last. His dominance is officially over. His running records are coming to an end. I think he'll put in another solid year or two, but I think we've seen the best already.

swisht4u
06-30-2010, 04:02 PM
Fed can still handle these players if he makes his normal routine shots and his serve is decent.
In todays loss Fed's forhand missfired quite a bit and missed some routine shots. The hard hitters give him a tough time but if he's playing at his normal level he'll win most of the time.
These players are showing no fear now so Fed will miss out on a few free points now and then.
He's slowed down just a little but it makes a difference with power players, Fed has a little less time to set up a good shot.
The consistency has dropped some.
Put all these together and his game is not that untouchable as before.

The power hitters have a book on Fed now, they know what works. Before the only book on Roger was to hit to his backhand, and only Rafa could do it the right way with topspin.

So there are more areas to hurt Fed than before.

rubbERR
06-30-2010, 04:02 PM
federer cant b 29 before his birthday so hes 28 until that

Paylu2007
06-30-2010, 04:05 PM
it's kinda sad. Fed used to be the best person to take out a ballbasher.

Who has the game to kill the bashers now? slice, we need you :sad:

agree.. ballbasher are the killers of tennis.. look at what williams sisters did to WTA

nanoman
06-30-2010, 04:13 PM
Federer is getting old. Instead of working harder to compensate, the guy gets lazier and lazier.

heya
06-30-2010, 04:55 PM
"Old" Roddick inappropriately/selfishly
tried to bait the usual
players into padding Federer's record.
Look what happened to Roddick &
see what good things came for Nadal, Djokovic & even Del Potro.

jenanun
06-30-2010, 04:59 PM
similar to nadal...

Soderling, Del Potro, Murray (retired) ....

chenx15
06-30-2010, 05:01 PM
He has a family now too. he can't just be in the tennis court all day everyday every night. his kids will come first before his tennis. if he is still single then he can devout more time for practice and workouts

NYCtennisfan
06-30-2010, 05:16 PM
There's a lot going on here and it's not a sudden thing. It's always been interesting to hear the refrain, "Federer eats up big hitters for breakfast," and other comments that allude to an inherent favorable matchups for Federer. In reality, the only reason that Federer had so much success against these big hitters is because he did so many things well against them. It was never an inherent matchup issue like Robredo has against Federer or Nadal where Robredo simply can't hurt either. Nobody likes playing big hitters because your margin for error is so small if the big hitter is playing well, a few mistakes and you lose. You have to play incredibly well and consistently to avoid losing to the power hitters, something Federer has done better than anyone ever.

1. Federer's serve has lost power and direction and he is unable to come up with big confidence serves when breakpoint down. He no longer hits the screwdriver up the T on the AD side, a serve that netted him dozens of aces at Wimbledon alone last year. His serve out wide on the deuce court is not as reliable as well. One of the reasons Federer was able to neutralize big servers is that he served really well himself and held quite easily in most games and could then apply pressure himself on the server. Big hitter gains confidence here.

2. Federer's FH is not what it used to be. If you want to beat big hitters, you have to move them with your FH and Federer can't do it anymore. It first started out as him losing movement on the run to the FH side where the best he could to is get the ball back to neutral. In his glory days, he could catch up to the ball and slash it CC or go DTL, turning a neutral or defensive position into an offensive situation. This year, he not only has difficulty moving to his FH side, he also isn't generating the same racket speed and power on easy FH's. This severly limits how he wants to play and win points. If you look at the tournaments he's played this season, he's had a difficult time winning points the way he used to with his classic combinations which has made him rely a lot on dropshots for one thing. There were times against Falla and at RG where he couldn't do anything other than end a point with a dropshot attempt. It's made him passive and not the same player. He loses rallies that take him to 30-all instead of 40-30 or break point. Every point adds up and his opponent gets more and more confident.

3. His BH is off and on. He was hitting it well CC the past two matches, but overall, he hits it short and can't hit DTL at all and that doesn't even mean for winners or to take over rallies--it means he doesn't hit it DTL at all, even conservatively so his opponent has less territory to defend. His slice doesn't have as much bite on it so he's not able to neutralize his opponents' power as well. If he can't move his opponent with the FH nor can he neutralize shots with his BH, how is he going to win rallies?

4. He doesn't return as well, simple as that. Doesn't get as many big serves back, doesn't hit good slice returns that start the point at neutral. Even if he does, starting at neutral is not longer in his favor as was covered above. You could tell that he was trying to hit out on his BH return because he doesn't believe he can defend off his opponents' first shot as well anymore. His opponents are more confident in their first shots against him now.

5. His movement overall. It doesn't work to slice anymore knowing that he can't run around the returned slice like he used to. He's been trying to hit the off-FH after running around slices all year and very few of them go in. His inside-out after running around isn't working either.

This means that most of the ways that he has previously won rallies have deserted him. He no longer has any advantages over a big hitter unless they're spraying balls. He had to play at an incredibly high level for all those years to dismantle the big hitters and as you can see, little chinks here and there add up and you go from being invincible to being like everyone else on tour, basically at 50-50 going into most matches.

Persimmon
06-30-2010, 06:13 PM
Tall ballbashers he used to own....

Waterfox
07-01-2010, 04:03 AM
WHat TrenD??
ME no see TreanD

Action Jackson
07-01-2010, 04:08 AM
He has a lost a step in movement and it all goes from there. Can't get to the ball as quickly, therefore out of position to hit the groundies, which become shorter and shorter. The big guys can take advantage of this.

Priam
07-01-2010, 04:15 AM
Federer should himself become a basher to counter this trend. He can do it!

DuMa
07-01-2010, 04:55 AM
Roddick shouldve been #4 :(

leng jai
07-01-2010, 05:46 AM
Huge hitters.

And it's because he moves less well and returns less well. He's just not putting them under service pressure, he chips back all the returns and they just smack the ball away or put him on the defence.

They can just hit through him as a result.

He tries to beat them at their own game and in most cases it doesn't work anymore.

coonster14
07-01-2010, 05:49 AM
There's a lot going on here and it's not a sudden thing. It's always been interesting to hear the refrain, "Federer eats up big hitters for breakfast," and other comments that allude to an inherent favorable matchups for Federer. In reality, the only reason that Federer had so much success against these big hitters is because he did so many things well against them. It was never an inherent matchup issue like Robredo has against Federer or Nadal where Robredo simply can't hurt either. Nobody likes playing big hitters because your margin for error is so small if the big hitter is playing well, a few mistakes and you lose. You have to play incredibly well and consistently to avoid losing to the power hitters, something Federer has done better than anyone ever.

1. Federer's serve has lost power and direction and he is unable to come up with big confidence serves when breakpoint down. He no longer hits the screwdriver up the T on the AD side, a serve that netted him dozens of aces at Wimbledon alone last year. His serve out wide on the deuce court is not as reliable as well. One of the reasons Federer was able to neutralize big servers is that he served really well himself and held quite easily in most games and could then apply pressure himself on the server. Big hitter gains confidence here.

2. Federer's FH is not what it used to be. If you want to beat big hitters, you have to move them with your FH and Federer can't do it anymore. It first started out as him losing movement on the run to the FH side where the best he could to is get the ball back to neutral. In his glory days, he could catch up to the ball and slash it CC or go DTL, turning a neutral or defensive position into an offensive situation. This year, he not only has difficulty moving to his FH side, he also isn't generating the same racket speed and power on easy FH's. This severly limits how he wants to play and win points. If you look at the tournaments he's played this season, he's had a difficult time winning points the way he used to with his classic combinations which has made him rely a lot on dropshots for one thing. There were times against Falla and at RG where he couldn't do anything other than end a point with a dropshot attempt. It's made him passive and not the same player. He loses rallies that take him to 30-all instead of 40-30 or break point. Every point adds up and his opponent gets more and more confident.

3. His BH is off and on. He was hitting it well CC the past two matches, but overall, he hits it short and can't hit DTL at all and that doesn't even mean for winners or to take over rallies--it means he doesn't hit it DTL at all, even conservatively so his opponent has less territory to defend. His slice doesn't have as much bite on it so he's not able to neutralize his opponents' power as well. If he can't move his opponent with the FH nor can he neutralize shots with his BH, how is he going to win rallies?

4. He doesn't return as well, simple as that. Doesn't get as many big serves back, doesn't hit good slice returns that start the point at neutral. Even if he does, starting at neutral is not longer in his favor as was covered above. You could tell that he was trying to hit out on his BH return because he doesn't believe he can defend off his opponents' first shot as well anymore. His opponents are more confident in their first shots against him now.

5. His movement overall. It doesn't work to slice anymore knowing that he can't run around the returned slice like he used to. He's been trying to hit the off-FH after running around slices all year and very few of them go in. His inside-out after running around isn't working either.

This means that most of the ways that he has previously won rallies have deserted him. He no longer has any advantages over a big hitter unless they're spraying balls. He had to play at an incredibly high level for all those years to dismantle the big hitters and as you can see, little chinks here and there add up and you go from being invincible to being like everyone else on tour, basically at 50-50 going into most matches.

well said. :yeah:

Action Jackson
07-01-2010, 05:54 AM
He tries to beat them at their own game and in most cases it doesn't work anymore.

The ego is too proud.

leng jai
07-01-2010, 06:09 AM
There's a lot going on here and it's not a sudden thing. It's always been interesting to hear the refrain, "Federer eats up big hitters for breakfast," and other comments that allude to an inherent favorable matchups for Federer. In reality, the only reason that Federer had so much success against these big hitters is because he did so many things well against them. It was never an inherent matchup issue like Robredo has against Federer or Nadal where Robredo simply can't hurt either. Nobody likes playing big hitters because your margin for error is so small if the big hitter is playing well, a few mistakes and you lose. You have to play incredibly well and consistently to avoid losing to the power hitters, something Federer has done better than anyone ever.

1. Federer's serve has lost power and direction and he is unable to come up with big confidence serves when breakpoint down. He no longer hits the screwdriver up the T on the AD side, a serve that netted him dozens of aces at Wimbledon alone last year. His serve out wide on the deuce court is not as reliable as well. One of the reasons Federer was able to neutralize big servers is that he served really well himself and held quite easily in most games and could then apply pressure himself on the server. Big hitter gains confidence here.

2. Federer's FH is not what it used to be. If you want to beat big hitters, you have to move them with your FH and Federer can't do it anymore. It first started out as him losing movement on the run to the FH side where the best he could to is get the ball back to neutral. In his glory days, he could catch up to the ball and slash it CC or go DTL, turning a neutral or defensive position into an offensive situation. This year, he not only has difficulty moving to his FH side, he also isn't generating the same racket speed and power on easy FH's. This severly limits how he wants to play and win points. If you look at the tournaments he's played this season, he's had a difficult time winning points the way he used to with his classic combinations which has made him rely a lot on dropshots for one thing. There were times against Falla and at RG where he couldn't do anything other than end a point with a dropshot attempt. It's made him passive and not the same player. He loses rallies that take him to 30-all instead of 40-30 or break point. Every point adds up and his opponent gets more and more confident.

3. His BH is off and on. He was hitting it well CC the past two matches, but overall, he hits it short and can't hit DTL at all and that doesn't even mean for winners or to take over rallies--it means he doesn't hit it DTL at all, even conservatively so his opponent has less territory to defend. His slice doesn't have as much bite on it so he's not able to neutralize his opponents' power as well. If he can't move his opponent with the FH nor can he neutralize shots with his BH, how is he going to win rallies?

4. He doesn't return as well, simple as that. Doesn't get as many big serves back, doesn't hit good slice returns that start the point at neutral. Even if he does, starting at neutral is not longer in his favor as was covered above. You could tell that he was trying to hit out on his BH return because he doesn't believe he can defend off his opponents' first shot as well anymore. His opponents are more confident in their first shots against him now.

5. His movement overall. It doesn't work to slice anymore knowing that he can't run around the returned slice like he used to. He's been trying to hit the off-FH after running around slices all year and very few of them go in. His inside-out after running around isn't working either.

This means that most of the ways that he has previously won rallies have deserted him. He no longer has any advantages over a big hitter unless they're spraying balls. He had to play at an incredibly high level for all those years to dismantle the big hitters and as you can see, little chinks here and there add up and you go from being invincible to being like everyone else on tour, basically at 50-50 going into most matches.

This is all true. At the end of the day every player goes through this transition to varying degrees after their peak. The more successful players are the ones who recognise this period and adjust their games accordingly. To me it seems that Federer hasn't come to terms with his decline or just refuses to do so. All Wimbledon he has been at the baseline pounding groundies as hard as he can while leaving the slice backhand and volleys in the closet. If you ask me he deserved to lose to Falla in round one.

Acer
07-01-2010, 07:48 AM
The loss of speed I can understand, through why the returns of serve have become so shit? Surely age doesn't explain that?

Jills
07-01-2010, 06:26 PM
And thank the lord for all three of these guys.

Hope they keep taking Fed and Rafa out every chance they get.

NYCtennisfan
07-01-2010, 08:29 PM
This is all true. At the end of the day every player goes through this transition to varying degrees after their peak. The more successful players are the ones who recognise this period and adjust their games accordingly. To me it seems that Federer hasn't come to terms with his decline or just refuses to do so. All Wimbledon he has been at the baseline pounding groundies as hard as he can while leaving the slice backhand and volleys in the closet. If you ask me he deserved to lose to Falla in round one.

I agree with a lot of this, but I think he's slowly coming to terms and is going to change some things up. He's already trying to hit out on his BH returns now because he doesn't believe he can defend the first shot off of his slice returns anymore as many of his opponents are hurting him with their first shot because Federer can't defend as well.

Lastly, Federer's opponents aren't going for as much on their shots and consequently aren't making as many errors. I would bet that there's a statistical significance in the difference of errors made by Federer's opponents over the past 1.5 years because Federer can't

(a) defend as well
(b) can't control the points with the FH as well
(c) can't hit as many 'miracle' shots to win rallies

His opponents are winning more and more of the rallies and they know they don't just have one shot at winning a rally before it gets to Federer's FH because that FH is not closing out points anymore. Why take as much risk? Just keep pounding away at the BH knowing that Federer's not going to run around it and hit FH's as well as before.

FormerRafaFan
07-01-2010, 08:38 PM
And thank the lord for all three of these guys.

Hope they keep taking Fed and Rafa out every chance they get.

I hope Rafa continues to take out Soderling like in the last two slams.