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How important is it for tennis that Soderling beats Nadal tomorrow?

ORGASMATRON
06-29-2010, 07:30 PM
The head-to-head currently stands at 4-2 for Nadal after he just gave Soderling a good old schooling in the FO final. But lets be honest, Nadal should beat Soderling on clay most of the time, and the 2009 FO is more like an anomaly.

But I feel like Soderling are always in with a good chance against Nadal on faster surfaces due to his big serve and flat hitting. Its the kind of game that gives Nadal trouble. Add to that Soderling cant be intimidated by Nadal, and you can see why this has been such an interesting rivalry.

But I am afraid if Nadal wins tomorrow one of the few interesting rivalries left in the game will become less interesting. If Soderling wins however, he would have stopped Nadal from possibly winning another slam, and the rivalry will be as intense as ever.

In a sport where there is few really interesting rivalries left, what do you think is the best result for tennis itself tomorrow?

Sapeod
06-29-2010, 07:32 PM
That Soderling wins. This is Wimbledon, not Roland Garros, so Nadull shouldn't be in the semi-final playing clay tennis.

Fedicilous
06-29-2010, 07:35 PM
Nadal overcame more grass suited(?) players for countless times. So there will be no surprise if he deals with Soderling.

I doubt tennis suffer from Nadal's win, because Soderling isn't a technique magician. Of course I support the Swede.

Jomp1
06-29-2010, 07:37 PM
For tennis per se it's not important imo, but yeah Rafa beating Robin in back-to-back Slams would surely make the rivalry less thrilling for the average fan.

ORGASMATRON
06-29-2010, 07:42 PM
For tennis per se it's not important imo, but yeah Rafa beating Robin in back-to-back Slams would surely make the rivalry less thrilling for the average fan.

well that is kind of what i mean. tennis will become less interesting for the average fan. isnt that what its all about?

Certinfy
06-29-2010, 07:43 PM
Tennis wins.

Noleta
06-29-2010, 07:45 PM
We can ask the same question,but replace Nadal with Federer:)

prafull
06-29-2010, 07:47 PM
Soderling proved that he is a clown against Ferrer, he will reconfirm this in the final. I hope one dimensional /one plan players like him never get past GS quarter final again.

Andre'sNo1Fan
06-29-2010, 07:51 PM
Players like Soderling who just serve ace after ace don't deserve to win anything. They are boring to watch and if you took away their serve they would be nothing. I hope Rafa destroys him.

ORGASMATRON
06-29-2010, 07:52 PM
That Soderling wins. This is Wimbledon, not Roland Garros, so Nadull shouldn't be in the semi-final playing clay tennis.

fair point old friend. if this was normal grass im sure this would have been much more straight forward for soderling.

Certinfy
06-29-2010, 07:53 PM
fair point old friend. if this was normal grass im sure this would have been much more straight forward for soderling.
If this was 'normal grass' Nadal wouldn't of even made it this far.

Ben.
06-29-2010, 07:56 PM
I highly doubt you are going to get an objective opinion to your question here, thought I doubt you want one.

For the rivalry between them, if there is one, then yes a Rafa win might put it to bed, but then again a player like Soderling will always have a chance to trouble Nadal if he can stay consistent, but it might have lost some of its buzz.

Better for tennis? All depends who you ask. For an average tennis fan it is probably important for Nadal to win, they want to see a Federer - Nadal final, or at least a Nadal - Murray semifinal, that goes double for the fans at Wimbledon. For this board, the majority will want a Soderling win as they see him or Murray as an easier opponent for Federer and dislike Nadal. Personally, I don't think it matters all that much, at least not in comparison to Federer's matches. I'm sure if he failed to make the final then viewership would drop significantly, especially if Rafa did too.

Fedicilous
06-29-2010, 07:57 PM
I think in completely different way. Classic grass would interrupt Soderling's timing so largely, that it would be a one sided game.
Semi-fast grass guarantees a quite even game, maybe won by Robin.

Ben.
06-29-2010, 08:02 PM
I think that however the grass at Wimbledon plays is normal grass, by default, being the only significant grass court event. Players can only play on the surface they stand on.

Jagermeister
06-29-2010, 08:09 PM
Not very important for tennis. Average fan would rather see another Fed/Nadal final. Soderling fans, Swedes, and assorted goons in these message boards would rather have Soderling win tho.

I think Soderling is better on clay than grass but he stands a better chance here than RG (especially since it's not a final).

ORGASMATRON
06-29-2010, 08:10 PM
I highly doubt you are going to get an objective opinion to your question here, thought I doubt you want one.

For the rivalry between them, if there is one, then yes a Rafa win might put it to bed, but then again a player like Soderling will always have a chance to trouble Nadal if he can stay consistent, but it might have lost some of its buzz.

Better for tennis? All depends who you ask. For an average tennis fan it is probably important for Nadal to win, they want to see a Federer - Nadal final, or at least a Nadal - Murray semifinal, that goes double for the fans at Wimbledon. For this board, the majority will want a Soderling win as they see him or Murray as an easier opponent for Federer and dislike Nadal. Personally, I don't think it matters all that much, at least not in comparison to Federer's matches. I'm sure if he failed to make the final then viewership would drop significantly, especially if Rafa did too.

i have been impressed with your objective posting, knowing how difficult it is to stay objective in a place where there is so much hate and bias. i do want an objective opinion, although for me the sodal rivalry is a very interesting one and i would like to see it stay competitive. that does not mean if nadal win its the end for tennis. murray/nadal and fedal will still be interesting. for me the result is not important in terms of wimby itself. its just important for the rivalry. i am a fedfan but i dont personally mind if nadal makes the final. i think it will provide a huge opportunity for federer. if he wins he will lead the h2h off clay 6-4 and the GS h2h 3-2.

ad-out
06-29-2010, 08:12 PM
I don't know if it is important for tennis.. but it is important for me! Vamos Sod.

Jagermeister
06-29-2010, 08:12 PM
I don't know if it is important for tennis.. but it is important for me! Vamos Sod.

Your honesty is refreshing :)

marvin0211
06-29-2010, 08:16 PM
who is soderling? he is not popular so it is not important soderling win= tennis loses

Rafaspin
06-29-2010, 08:25 PM
i have been impressed with your objective posting, knowing how difficult it is to stay objective in a place where there is so much hate and bias. i do want an objective opinion, although for me the sodal rivalry is a very interesting one and i would like to see it stay competitive. that does not mean if nadal win its the end for tennis. murray/nadal and fedal will still be interesting. for me the result is not important in terms of wimby itself. its just important for the rivalry. i am a fedfan but i dont personally mind if nadal makes the final. i think it will provide a huge opportunity for federer. if he wins he will lead the h2h off clay 6-4 and the GS h2h 3-2.

Huh?

GS head to head stands at 6-2 Nadal.

Oh you mean off clay GS h2h.

viruzzz
06-29-2010, 08:26 PM
Well... Before this last match, Nadal didn't deserve to be in Wimbledon.
But in this match he show us so very good tennis.
I think tennis wins if Soda beats Rafa. Soderling deserves more than Rafa beeing in the SF.

ORGASMATRON
06-29-2010, 08:28 PM
Huh?

GS head to head stands at 6-2 Nadal.

Oh you mean off clay GS h2h.

yes. i dont care much for the clay h2h. to me nadal is expected to win most of those.

marvin0211
06-29-2010, 08:30 PM
Well... Before this last match, Nadal didn't deserve to be in Wimbledon.
But in this match he show us so very good tennis.
I think tennis wins if Soda beats Rafa. Soderling deserves more than Rafa beeing in the SF.

Dont deserve? who are you to say a player is not deserving to play in wimbledon? he is no #1 player in the world so he is the first player deserving to play in wimbedon:rolleyes:

Topspin Forehand
06-29-2010, 08:38 PM
It's very important that Soderling loses actually. Tennis will take a big hit otherwise.

r2473
06-29-2010, 08:42 PM
We can ask the same question,but replace Nadal with Federer:)

Soderling has to play Nadal and Federer tomorrow? Talk about a tough draw.

FEDERERBEAUTY
06-29-2010, 08:43 PM
Personally I love that for the last 3 years people have talked excitedly about the men's Wimbledon final on Monday in their offices, on their way to work etc, that tv ratings have been high, that tennis has made the headlines on the front pages of newspapers as well as the back etc etc.
Since two of those 3 finals have involved Nadal and Federer, I would say tennis, the sport, wins if Nadal wins and then gets to the final v Fed. Otherwise it's a question of whose tennis playing style one prefers.

viruzzz
06-29-2010, 08:45 PM
Dont deserve? who are you to say a player is not deserving to play in wimbledon? he is no #1 player in the world so he is the first player deserving to play in wimbedon:rolleyes:

I mean, he doesn't deserve to stay in the tournament after his 2R and 3R matches, I think the most fair result was a lose in those.

straitup
06-29-2010, 08:53 PM
One match isn't going to ruin tennis. It's not going to make tennis bad if Nadal beats Soderling. On the other hand, it's not going to make tennis amazing if Soderling beats Nadal. What makes it amazing is an amazing performance from either player (or both) and an excellent match

Andre'sNo1Fan
06-29-2010, 08:54 PM
I mean, he doesn't deserve to stay in the tournament after his 2R and 3R matches, I think the most fair result was a lose in those.
Shall we say the same about Federer then?

scoobs
06-29-2010, 08:56 PM
It's not remotely important for tennis.

It might be desirable for his fans and undesirable for Rafa fans, but that's about it.

Tennis is bigger than one match.

ORGASMATRON
06-29-2010, 09:05 PM
It's not remotely important for tennis.

It might be desirable for his fans and undesirable for Rafa fans, but that's about it.

Tennis is bigger than one match.

this is wrong imo. its probably the most interesting rivalry in tennis unless nadal wins tomorrow. therefor you cant say its not remotely important to tennis. many tennis fans, serious and casual alike, would love to see this rivalry remain intense.

scoobs
06-29-2010, 09:11 PM
this is wrong imo. its probably the most interesting rivalry in tennis unless nadal wins tomorrow. therefor you cant say its not remotely important to tennis. many tennis fans, serious and casual alike, would love to see this rivalry remain intense.
So it's only interesting if one player wins?

Not much of a rivalry then is it?

ORGASMATRON
06-29-2010, 09:16 PM
So it's only interesting if one player wins?

Not much of a rivalry then is it?

well the point is if nadal wins it wont help to make the rivalry more interesting. there would still be a rivalry of he wins, but it would lose much of its importance, especially after what happened at the FO this year. however if soderling wins tomorrow he has cancelled that loss out and things are back on even terms.

marvin0211
06-29-2010, 09:16 PM
I mean, he doesn't deserve to stay in the tournament after his 2R and 3R matches, I think the most fair result was a lose in those.

Really? he deserves it coz he win that rounds. Did his opponents reach matchpoint? if his opponents reach multiple matchpoints and nadal won via a lot of lucky net cords i will say nadal is not deserving but they didnt even serve for the match:confused:

FormerRafaFan
06-29-2010, 09:16 PM
I voted nothing because it's a stupid question. I can't stand Soderling and I hope Rafa wins tomorrow. Sure, Soda is usually better on grass, but who knows.. Lately it looks like Nadal has the mental advantage.

Topspin Forehand
06-29-2010, 09:18 PM
Sure, Soda is usually better on grass, but who knows.
Who won Wimbledon again?

marvin0211
06-29-2010, 09:19 PM
well the point is if nadal wins it wont help to make the rivalry more interesting. there would still be a rivalry of he wins, but it would lose much of its importance, especially after what happened at the FO this year. however if soderling wins tomorrow he has cancelled that loss out and things are back on even terms.

lol why did you make a poll out of this if you want soderling to win? soderling is not very important person in tennis anyway in terms of accomplishment so nothing to gain if he wins

ORGASMATRON
06-29-2010, 09:27 PM
I voted nothing because it's a stupid question. I can't stand Soderling and I hope Rafa wins tomorrow. Sure, Soda is usually better on grass, but who knows.. Lately it looks like Nadal has the mental advantage.

why is it a stupid question old sport? you could have said its not important at all if you didnt think it was. are you a tard by any chance?

straitup
06-29-2010, 09:31 PM
lol why did you make a poll out of this if you want soderling to win? soderling is not very important person in tennis anyway in terms of accomplishment so nothing to gain if he wins

He isn't? I think giving Rafa his first RG loss and ending Roger's semi streak is pretty noteworthy.

ossie
06-29-2010, 09:32 PM
the only good thing for tennis is that the more consistent player (rafa) wins

Persimmon
06-29-2010, 09:37 PM
For tennis per se it's not important imo, but yeah Rafa beating Robin in back-to-back Slams would surely make the rivalry less thrilling for the average fan.

Yeah like when Fed beat Robin in back-to-back Slams last year at the FO and then at Wimbledon. That was anything but thrilling. :o

marvin0211
06-29-2010, 09:38 PM
He isn't? I think giving Rafa his first RG loss and ending Roger's semi streak is pretty noteworthy.

so he did but did he won the championship? in order to be relevant in any sport you have to win the championships in tennis terms it means the grand slam event which he has not yet won(he still has time to win a GS)? being a runnerup is not worthy enough

Soliloque
06-29-2010, 09:51 PM
As much important as your thread.

marvin0211
06-29-2010, 09:56 PM
i think its as important when berdych wins against federer, lu wins against djokovic and tsonga wins against murray

ORGASMATRON
06-29-2010, 10:02 PM
As much important as your thread.

i think its more important than that old sport.

Sophocles
06-29-2010, 10:05 PM
Hard to say. Nadal plays mind-numbingly boring negative tennis boosted by freaky modern strings that should be banned, so in every conceivable way he is bad for tennis, & that's passing over his revolting on-court behaviour, BUT compared to a lumbering 1-dimensional touchless ball-basher such as Soderling, he's quite a talent. There is no more nightmarish vision of the future of the sport than a production line of Soderlings, Berdychs, Del Potros slugging out every G.S. final. But as it would be awful if either won the tournament, & as Nadal is more likely to win if he beats Soderling, & as I dislike Nadal & quite like Soderling, & as I'm not convinced Soderlings are the future, & as he will at least be the player going for his shots & trying to WIN it, I have to root for Soderling.

Matt01
06-29-2010, 11:54 PM
Who won Wimbledon again?


... and reached the finals here twice more? :yeah:

Lots of cluessless people in this thread, not only the thread starter.

And to answer the question: it is not important for tennis. May the better player win.

peribsen
06-29-2010, 11:59 PM
Why on earth should it be bad for tennis that the better, more talented and more positive players make the big finals? Never heard such rubbish.

paseo
06-30-2010, 12:08 AM
Not important who wins, actually. Tennis will be just fine either way.
But, for MTF on the other hand.. Personally, I would just love the result thread for this match if Soderling upsets Nadal :devil:

marvin0211
06-30-2010, 12:09 AM
lol coz the threadstarter is a tard

ORGASMATRON
06-30-2010, 12:51 AM
Why on earth should it be bad for tennis that the better, more talented and more positive players make the big finals? Never heard such rubbish.

who said that?

Not important who wins, actually. Tennis will be just fine either way.
But, for MTF on the other hand.. Personally, I would just love the result thread for this match if Soderling upsets Nadal :devil:

exactly my thoughts.

tealeaves
06-30-2010, 12:59 AM
Nadal wins = tennis loses

Topspin Forehand
06-30-2010, 01:04 AM
Nadal wins = tennis loses
Translation. Nadal wins = you lose

ORGASMATRON
06-30-2010, 01:08 AM
Nadal wins = tennis loses

fair point old sport. i dont necessarily agree with you, but in this case i just may. the fact that all courts have been slowed down so much has not been great for tennis, and of course nadal has been the beneficiary.

gusavo
06-30-2010, 01:18 AM
Soderling proved that he is a clown against Ferrer, he will reconfirm this in the final. I hope one dimensional /one plan players like him never get past GS quarter final again.
nadl proved he is a clown against petchzner, haase, he will never get past gs fourth round again.

NADALbULLS
06-30-2010, 01:23 AM
nadl proved he is a clown against petchzner, haase, he will never get past gs fourth round again.

Oh yeah clowning with that injury timeout. The Davis Cup withdrawal was also clowning, right? Or do you just mean his level of play? If you can find another player who wins while his opponent makes 80% of first serves at over 200km/h average, let me know.

Last time I checked Nadal is about 100 times more popular than Soderling. Maybe 1000 times considering most sports fans don't know who Soderling is.

Clay Death
06-30-2010, 01:26 AM
fair point old friend. if this was normal grass im sure this would have been much more straight forward for soderling.



right. since soderling cannot dance, the bloody floor must be crooked.

right orgasmoron?

get on your damn knees and stay on your knees. i want you to pray all night. remember orgasmoron that you will be praying for a miracle.

it is not about soderling anyway. even a hapless blind lady on the side of the ditch outside who cannot see and has never heard of tennis can see right through you.

you are terrified that nadal will get into the final and undress your hero with his deadly topspin cyclones of death.

yes you are that simple orgasmoron.

allpro
06-30-2010, 01:35 AM
Soderling proved that he is a clown against Ferrer, he will reconfirm this in the final. I hope one dimensional /one plan players like him never get past GS quarter final again.
Players like Soderling who just serve ace after ace don't deserve to win anything. They are boring to watch and if you took away their serve they would be nothing. I hope Rafa destroys him.
Translation. Nadal wins = you lose
Soderling isn't good for the game of tennis, he's scum and should be destroyed.

:yeah:
http://www.bloodydecks.com/forums/images/smilies/beerchug.gif

Clay Death
06-30-2010, 01:35 AM
memo to mods:

mods i shall be most grateful if you can drag this pathetic and totally useless thread outside instantly and have a large spotted hyena piss on it repeatedly.

thanks.

emotion
06-30-2010, 01:35 AM
For sportsmanship
For fluidity
For decency
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2009/11/23/1258993985350/Robin-Soderling-celebrate-001.jpg

ORGASMATRON
06-30-2010, 01:35 AM
right. since soderling cannot dance, the bloody floor must be crooked.

right orgasmoron?

get on your damn knees and stay on your knees. i want you to pray all night. remember orgasmoron that you will be praying for a miracle.

it is not about soderling anyway. even a hapless blind lady on the side of the ditch outside who cannot see and has never heard of tennis can see right through you.

you are terrified that nadal will get into the final and undress your hero with his deadly topspin cyclones of death.

yes you are that simple orgasmoron.

was with all the insults old sport? cant have a decent tennis discussion like a normal grown-up? unlike you my world wont fall apart if nadal beats federer. but what i would enjoy immensely is if federer beats nadal for a third time in the final. no, old sport, im not gonna insult you back as i find your insults quite amusing. just do me one favor, dont become so scarce in GM again if your hero loses. i will miss you way too much.

Waterfox
06-30-2010, 01:38 AM
Nothing>!!!

Totally UTTER NONSENSE!!!

@Sweet Cleopatra
06-30-2010, 01:42 AM
!!!

I just cant believe what you posted, are you really a Rafa fan? I am already scared from the match and a *fan* wants him to lose to "save tennis"???????????

I want Rafa to win.

Clay Death
06-30-2010, 01:47 AM
was with all the insults old sport? cant have a decent tennis discussion like a normal grown-up? unlike you my world wont fall apart if nadal beats federer. but what i would enjoy immensely is if federer beats nadal for a third time in the final. no, old sport, im not gonna insult you back as i find your insults quite amusing. just do me one favor, dont become so scarce in GM again if your hero loses. i will miss you way too much.



i dont insult anybody. i have standards at mtf and i maintain those standards.

is your name orgasmoron?

if not then you need not worry. i was just trying to tell some poster called orgasmoron that these types of threads are worthless and it says a lot about that poster. he or she must be dense as shit.

now that is not in insult. that is a statement of fact.

ORGASMATRON
06-30-2010, 01:47 AM
!!!

I just cant believe what you posted, are you really a Rafa fan? I am already scared from the match and a *fan* wants him to lose to "save tennis"???????????

I want Rafa to win.

no im not a fan. like his press conferences though :hug::secret::smooch:

@Sweet Cleopatra
06-30-2010, 01:55 AM
no im not a fan. like his press conferences though :hug::secret::smooch:

Okay then fine, you are another hater who can't stand Nadal winning.

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,next http://smiles.mmuz.com/data/15/a6rb_135.gif

ORGASMATRON
06-30-2010, 01:55 AM
i dont insult anybody. i have standards at mtf and i maintain those standards.

is your name orgasmoron?

if not then you need not worry. i was just trying to tell some poster called orgasmoron that these types of threads are worthless and it says a lot about that poster. he or she must be dense as shit.

we need to inform this poster that it is not really cool to crowd the gm page with garbage threads.

now that is not in insult. that is a statement of fact.

oh and you get to decide which threads are garbage and which are not? last time i checked that was the job of the mods ;) frankly i couldnt care less about your standards. they are called YOUR standards for a reason. if the mods deemed this thread garbage and deleted it i would be fine with that, but the last time i checked they did not and there were quite a few responses as well. this thread was a question, and there were several different answers if you bothered to go look at the poll. therefor you are not only calling me dense as shit, but the whole board. i think you have some issues to work through. good luck with that.

Clay Death
06-30-2010, 01:58 AM
oh and you get to decide which threads are garbage and which are not? last time i checked that was the job of the mods ;) frankly i couldnt care less about your standards. they are called YOUR standards for a reason. if the mods deemed this thread garbage and deleted it i would be fine with that, but the last time i checked they did not and there were quite a few responses as well. this thread was a question, and there were several different answers if you bothered to go look at the poll. therefor you are not only calling me dense as shit, but the whole board. i think you have some issues to work through. good luck with that.



again who the hell are you again old sport?

i could have sworn i was talking to some poster who calls himself orgasmoron.

just move on if you are not orgasmoron.

Pirata.
06-30-2010, 01:59 AM
Personally I love that for the last 3 years people have talked excitedly about the men's Wimbledon final on Monday in their offices, on their way to work etc, that tv ratings have been high, that tennis has made the headlines on the front pages of newspapers as well as the back etc etc.
Since two of those 3 finals have involved Nadal and Federer, I would say tennis, the sport, wins if Nadal wins and then gets to the final v Fed. Otherwise it's a question of whose tennis playing style one prefers.

No one will care about the final this year, it's all about Isner-Mahut :wavey:

ORGASMATRON
06-30-2010, 02:03 AM
again who the hell are you again old sport?

i could have sworn i was talking to some poster who calls himself orgasmoron.

just move on if you are not orgasmoron.

lolz

Clay Death
06-30-2010, 02:04 AM
lolz

post something intelliegence for once.

and dispense with the hate and the hypocritical semantical smoke.do it. now.

i should not have to say it again.

Matt01
06-30-2010, 02:09 AM
!!!

I just cant believe what you posted, are you really a Rafa fan? I am already scared from the match and a *fan* wants him to lose to "save tennis"???????????

I want Rafa to win.


Orgasma-guy is not a Rafa fan :lol:

NADALbULLS
06-30-2010, 02:13 AM
LOL O-guy a rafa fan hahaha that's cute cleo. Nice font too.

marvin0211
06-30-2010, 02:13 AM
Orgasma-guy is not a Rafa fan :lol:


correct he/she is a fedtard obviously :rolleyes:

Clay Death
06-30-2010, 02:21 AM
Orgasma-guy is not a Rafa fan :lol:

that is putting it mildly old sport.

he lives and dies to spread the word of his hate for the high priest of death---the clay warrior.

his very existence is consumed by it.

Matt01
06-30-2010, 02:31 AM
that is putting it mildly old sport.

he lives and dies to spread the word of his hate for the high priest of death---the clay warrior.

his very existence is consumed by it.


Yep. Quite creepy that guy.

Sophocles
06-30-2010, 02:54 AM
Yep. Quite creepy that guy.

Splendid irony.

NADALbULLS
06-30-2010, 02:57 AM
correct he/she is a fedtard obviously :rolleyes:

I agree new sport.

ORGASMATRON
06-30-2010, 03:37 AM
post something intelliegence for once.

and dispense with the hate and the hypocritical semantical smoke.do it. now.

i should not have to say it again.

that is putting it mildly old sport.

he lives and dies to spread the word of his hate for the high priest of death---the clay warrior.

his very existence is consumed by it.

i thought we had come to a satisfactory truce. apparently not. you are on my bad side now and nothing can change that. i only offer my hand only once and you refused. live with the consequences.

ORGASMATRON
06-30-2010, 03:40 AM
Orgasma-guy is not a Rafa fan :lol:

LOL O-guy a rafa fan hahaha that's cute cleo. Nice font too.

correct he/she is a fedtard obviously :rolleyes:

i have owned you clowns enough for one day. your pain shall compound in the days that follow. but thanks for keeping my thread up while i was away.

octatennis
06-30-2010, 03:44 AM
it is very important.

bad gambler
06-30-2010, 03:57 AM
that is putting it mildly old sport.

he lives and dies to spread the word of his hate for the high priest of death---the clay warrior.

his very existence is consumed by it.

The OP is obviously on a fishing expedition by creating this thread old sport

Don't take the bait

Clay Death
06-30-2010, 04:00 AM
The OP is obviously on a fishing expedition by creating this thread old sport

Don't take the bait

affirmative old friend. will do as you advise.

and damn good to see you around. take care.

Jagermeister
06-30-2010, 04:14 AM
Hard to say. Nadal plays mind-numbingly boring negative tennis boosted by freaky modern strings that should be banned, so in every conceivable way he is bad for tennis, & that's passing over his revolting on-court behaviour, BUT compared to a lumbering 1-dimensional touchless ball-basher such as Soderling, he's quite a talent. There is no more nightmarish vision of the future of the sport than a production line of Soderlings, Berdychs, Del Potros slugging out every G.S. final. But as it would be awful if either won the tournament, & as Nadal is more likely to win if he beats Soderling, & as I dislike Nadal & quite like Soderling, & as I'm not convinced Soderlings are the future, & as he will at least be the player going for his shots & trying to WIN it, I have to root for Soderling.

Holy Jeebus, spare us the verbal diarrhea and just say "Good for tennis".

Serenidad
06-30-2010, 04:22 AM
Tennis wins for sure. It is an embarrassment that Nadal continues to win due to pushing. My Philipp won't let it happen again. :sad:

Arkulari
06-30-2010, 04:22 AM
haters would rejoice, tards would enter suicide watch, fans would be sad and other people won't really give a damn about it

will it make tennis more popular? will it improve the ratings? will it change where tennis is now? No

Serenidad
06-30-2010, 04:24 AM
Shut up. You are the worst type of person on this board a Federer AND Nadal fan.

Arkulari
06-30-2010, 04:30 AM
:lol: long time no see Serenity ;)

Clay Death
06-30-2010, 04:44 AM
Shut up. You are the worst type of person on this board a Federer AND Nadal fan.

lets be respectful and thoughtful to one of the most respected posters here serenidad.

grab a drink and chill.

gusavo
06-30-2010, 07:57 AM
Oh yeah clowning with that injury timeout. The Davis Cup withdrawal was also clowning, right? Or do you just mean his level of play? If you can find another player who wins while his opponent makes 80% of first serves at over 200km/h average, let me know.

Last time I checked Nadal is about 100 times more popular than Soderling. Maybe 1000 times considering most sports fans don't know who Soderling is.
I could find other matches where nadal played horribly. saying any player is a clown because of one match they played badly is...
he said soderling was a clown because of that match despite nadal going five sets twice against much worse players. also nadal has played worse than him in this tournament so he must be a bigger clown.
and there is no way in hell you would ever care how good his opponents played if it were soderling going five with those two.
also, you have proof of 80% first serves, all over 200?

djb84xi
06-30-2010, 08:34 AM
It would be somewhat important, but not all that much. To be honest, it might mean more to Robin himself, to walk away with a victory. It won't be easy for either guy to win this. As long as they both compete well and give an honest effort, tennis automatically gains something good from it.

_Shonen_
06-30-2010, 08:54 AM
It seems like no one has figured out how to beat Nadal on a consistent basis, so it makes it easier to claim that all his losses are due to injury or fatigue.

If Soderling or Murray beat him, then they further legitimise themselves as credible threats, which I think would make things more interesting.

However, it's not that crucial for Tennis. In terms of public profile and raising awareness, Nadal v Federer is the final that would benefit Tennis the most.

ORGASMATRON
06-30-2010, 09:00 AM
The OP is obviously on a fishing expedition by creating this thread old sport

Don't take the bait

you are a moderator and thats youre only contribution to this thread where several people have given an honest and interesting opinion? whats the deal old sport?

ORGASMATRON
06-30-2010, 09:05 AM
Shut up. You are the worst type of person on this board a Federer AND Nadal fan.

please have the dignity not to post on my thread if you dont have anything useful or thoughtful to contribute.

i will only ask this once.

_Shonen_
06-30-2010, 09:42 AM
Why does everyone keep calling each other old sport?

nalbyfan
06-30-2010, 09:47 AM
Soderling could avoid us another boring Federer/Nadal final...déja vue !!!

kooties
06-30-2010, 12:23 PM
I hope Nadal loses, but Federer should lose as well.

All I ask is for a non-walkover final PLEASE!

Orka_n
06-30-2010, 12:31 PM
Why does everyone keep calling each other old sport?Because of a troll poster called Clay Death. It's not funny in the least, so please don't you start too.

Regarding the poll, well, you all already know where I stand in this issue.

JolánGagó
06-30-2010, 12:55 PM
No one cares about that loser Soderprick, win or lose the world bar some poster wankers won't give a flying f*ck :shrug:

MacTheKnife
06-30-2010, 01:01 PM
This match will have no significant impact on tennis unless it goes 71-69 in the 5th. I'm not holding my breath.

ORGASMATRON
06-30-2010, 01:22 PM
This match will have no significant impact on tennis unless it goes 71-69 in the 5th. I'm not holding my breath.

all matches have significance for tennis, especially quarter finals at slams between sworn enemies.

MacTheKnife
06-30-2010, 01:31 PM
all matches have significance for tennis, especially quarter finals at slams between sworn enemies.

Ah, no, they don't. It might seem that way to fans like us on message board forums. But we are an insignificant number of total tennis fans.
By the time the US Open arrives, the vast majority of average tennis fans will not even remember who was in the quarters here.

ORGASMATRON
06-30-2010, 01:43 PM
Ah, no, they don't. It might seem that way to fans like us on message board forums. But we are an insignificant number of total tennis fans.
By the time the US Open arrives, the vast majority of average tennis fans will not even remember who was in the quarters here.

if it had no significance then why play?

MacTheKnife
06-30-2010, 01:51 PM
if it had no significance then why play?

You need to be clear then about what you are asking. This match is significant to who moves on in this event, but the outcome will yield no significant impact on tennis as a whole.

Either that, or we just have completely different views on what "significant to tennis" means.
Isner-Mahut had significant impact on tennis and tennis history. The winner of this match will just move on to the semi's.
That is unless of course someone wins it 71-69 in the 5th. Then we'd be talking "significant" impact on tennis.

If you want to believe tennis' future hangs in the balance of the outcome of this match, then have at it.

ORGASMATRON
06-30-2010, 01:54 PM
You need to be clear then about what you are asking. This match is significant to who moves on in this event, but the outcome will yield no significant impact on tennis as a whole.

Either that, or we just have completely different views on what "significant to tennis" means.
Isner-Mahut had significant impact on tennis and tennis history. The winner of this match will just move on to the semi's.
That is unless of course someone wins it 71-69 in the 5th. Then we'd be talking "significant" impact on tennis.

If you want to believe tennis' future hangs in the balance of the outcome of this match, then have at it.

where did i say that?

MacTheKnife
06-30-2010, 02:22 PM
where did i say that?

Where did I say you did..

ORGASMATRON
06-30-2010, 02:28 PM
Where did I say you did..

:lol:

Everko
06-30-2010, 03:12 PM
The people of Wimbledon love Nadal, the were pulling for him hard to beat Federer in 2008 final. I think they matter a bit more than bitter toadtards

ORGASMATRON
06-30-2010, 05:25 PM
you see what soderling did against nadal now? this is why this is a great rivalry.

born_on_clay
06-30-2010, 06:14 PM
That Soderling wins. This is Wimbledon, not Roland Garros, so Nadull shouldn't be in the semi-final playing clay tennis.

:lol:
:haha:
hater :o

TennisOnWood
06-30-2010, 06:17 PM
The Earth will stop spinning :devil:

Jagermeister
06-30-2010, 06:17 PM
I just saw an asteroid land on my backyard. Yep, guess we're screwed now.

The Magician
06-30-2010, 06:22 PM
It's bad that Soda has lost his magic against Nadull, but it's not that important compared to the match on Friday. If Nadull beats Murray and goes on to win it will make what could be the most historic Wimby of all time into another clown GS :o

ORGASMATRON
06-30-2010, 06:26 PM
It's bad that Soda has lost his magic against Nadull, but it's not that important compared to the match on Friday. If Nadull beats Murray and goes on to win it will make what could be the most historic Wimby of all time into another clown GS :o

yeah i cant say itll be great for tennis if nadal wins wimby for a second time. everything is too slow these days.

marvin0211
06-30-2010, 06:30 PM
yeah i cant say itll be great for tennis if nadal wins wimby for a second time. everything is too slow these days.

excuses again pawned

marvin0211
06-30-2010, 06:30 PM
you see what soderling did against nadal now? this is why this is a great rivalry.

pawned

joplin
06-30-2010, 06:34 PM
It's bad that Soda has lost his magic against Nadull, but it's not that important compared to the match on Friday. If Nadull beats Murray and goes on to win it will make what could be the most historic Wimby of all time into another clown GS :oyou´re a clown

allpro
06-30-2010, 06:38 PM
today's victory just reaffirms the fact that rg '09 was a fluke and that rafa's knees were indeed fucked.

suck it haters http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/figuren/n020.gif

Sapeod
06-30-2010, 06:39 PM
All hope rests on Murray now.

Sapeod
06-30-2010, 06:41 PM
:lol:
:haha:
hater :o
Terrible for Wimbledon imo, claycourt junkballer gets to a semi yet again. Only Murray stands in his way to a final.

Jagermeister
06-30-2010, 06:43 PM
Terrible for Wimbledon imo, claycourt junkballer gets to a semi yet again.

Your commitment to recycling (as in recycling the same tired bullcrap from 2008) is commendable.

Sapeod
06-30-2010, 06:43 PM
excuses again pawned
He hasn't won yet, Murray and Berdych/Fakervic stand in his way still.

Sapeod
06-30-2010, 06:44 PM
Your commitment to recycling (as in recycling the same tired bullcrap from 2008) is commendable.
I wasn't here in 2008 thank God. 2009 was a great year for Wimbledon.

Priam
06-30-2010, 06:45 PM
It was just another match and win for the better player on the day.

ORGASMATRON
06-30-2010, 06:46 PM
this rivalry has gone to sleep after today.

joplin
06-30-2010, 06:51 PM
Terrible for Wimbledon imo, claycourt junkballer gets to a semi yet again. Only Murray stands in his way to a final.

the Wimbly win is probably the most prestigious in the calendar and should be awarded to the player with the best and most beautiful game. and Nadal currently has both

peribsen
06-30-2010, 07:35 PM
this rivalry has gone to sleep after today.

Regarding you signature (16>7).. has it ever struck you how telling it is?

Tards like you (and please don't deny that, it's plain obvious from most of your posts, you are not going to convince me) think that this is about Nadal vs Fed (and now Soderling, or Murray, or whoever stands for the 0 you've just added).

In fact, when Nadal won his 7th, most Nadal fans didn´t think 'haaaa he's one closer to Fed', but 'hey, he just tied McEnroe'. And when he wins his 8th, we'll center on his catching Lendl.

Now the fun part is that Rafa having the same nr of majors as McEnroe does not mean he is as good as McEnroe. Tennis is -happily- far more complicated than that and there are too many issues involved to compare two players so easily. Likewise, if Rafa gets a 9th, he won't necessarily be superior to Lendl or Connors.

The fun part is that haters like you will need to spend a lifetime arguing the point. No one would waste that much spit comparing McEnroe to Roddick, for example, the difference is just too plain obvious.

But if Rafa gets 8, guys like you will spend a lifetime trying to make sure newcomers understand that McEnroe was far better.

That's where the fun is, in seeing just how ridiculous your arguments are sure to keep becoming.

marvin0211
06-30-2010, 07:48 PM
He hasn't won yet, Murray and Berdych/Fakervic stand in his way still.

read the thread tard its soderling vs nadal

Persimmon
07-01-2010, 12:58 AM
playing clay tennis

Wimbledon is green clay:wavey:

allpro
07-01-2010, 01:06 AM
Wimbledon is green clay:wavey:

a myth. grass still rewards aggressive play.

ORGASMATRON
07-01-2010, 01:13 AM
Regarding you signature (16>7).. has it ever struck you how telling it is?

Tards like you (and please don't deny that, it's plain obvious from most of your posts, you are not going to convince me) think that this is about Nadal vs Fed (and now Soderling, or Murray, or whoever stands for the 0 you've just added).

In fact, when Nadal won his 7th, most Nadal fans didn´t think 'haaaa he's one closer to Fed', but 'hey, he just tied McEnroe'. And when he wins his 8th, we'll center on his catching Lendl.

Now the fun part is that Rafa having the same nr of majors as McEnroe does not mean he is as good as McEnroe. Tennis is -happily- far more complicated than that and there are too many issues involved to compare two players so easily. Likewise, if Rafa gets a 9th, he won't necessarily be superior to Lendl or Connors.

The fun part is that haters like you will need to spend a lifetime arguing the point. No one would waste that much spit comparing McEnroe to Roddick, for example, the difference is just too plain obvious.

But if Rafa gets 8, guys like you will spend a lifetime trying to make sure newcomers understand that McEnroe was far better.

That's where the fun is, in seeing just how ridiculous your arguments are sure to keep becoming.

i dont need to convince sewer rats of anything. dont ever address me on this forum again. i will not say this again.

Topspin Forehand
07-01-2010, 01:25 AM
a myth. grass still rewards aggressive play.
So does clay. ;) See Soderling. The higher bounce makes it easier to play aggressive baseline style while the lower and bad bounces makes it easier to serve and volley.

guptaji
07-01-2010, 01:40 AM
The head-to-head currently stands at 4-2 for Nadal after he just gave Soderling a good old schooling in the FO final. But lets be honest, Nadal should beat Soderling on clay most of the time, and the 2009 FO is more like an anomaly.

But I feel like Soderling are always in with a good chance against Nadal on faster surfaces due to his big serve and flat hitting. Its the kind of game that gives Nadal trouble. Add to that Soderling cant be intimidated by Nadal, and you can see why this has been such an interesting rivalry.

But I am afraid if Nadal wins tomorrow one of the few interesting rivalries left in the game will become less interesting. If Soderling wins however, he would have stopped Nadal from possibly winning another slam, and the rivalry will be as intense as ever.

In a sport where there is few really interesting rivalries left, what do you think is the best result for tennis itself tomorrow?

Nadal-Soderling "rivalry".. funny. Soderling mimicked picking his ass and now he's getting that ass kicked big time. Anyways, I bet you were just watching out for poor tennis.

guptaji
07-01-2010, 01:47 AM
i dont need to convince sewer rats of anything. dont ever address me on this forum again. i will not say this again.

Ooh scary. And classy. Just like a certain "injured" tennis player.

bad gambler
07-01-2010, 02:55 AM
you see what soderling did against nadal now? this is why this is a great rivalry.

What is your definition of rivalry fella?

AgassiFan588
07-01-2010, 04:26 AM
Nadal rules.

Manequin75
07-01-2010, 04:40 AM
this rivalry has gone to sleep after today.

soderling isnt consistent enough to have a great rivalry with anybody. He wont do much between now and the next french open.

Rafa = Fed Killa
07-01-2010, 04:49 AM
This....

Is....

Spartaaaaaa!!!

henke007
07-01-2010, 10:06 AM
soderling isnt consistent enough to have a great rivalry with anybody. He wont do much between now and the next french open.

Actually Robin's best surfaces are yet to come :wavey:

Tom_Bombadil
07-01-2010, 10:14 AM
Tennis is dead right now. In fact they're thinking about suspending Wimbledon and move to paddle.

ORGASMATRON
07-01-2010, 11:10 AM
soderling isnt consistent enough to have a great rivalry with anybody. He wont do much between now and the next french open.

nadal is just much better. thats all.

Tennis is dead right now. In fact they're thinking about suspending Wimbledon and move to paddle.

dont quit your day job old sport.

born_on_clay
07-01-2010, 11:16 AM
read the thread tard its soderling vs nadal

+1

:haha:

born_on_clay
07-01-2010, 11:21 AM
Terrible for Wimbledon imo, claycourt junkballer gets to a semi yet again. Only Murray stands in his way to a final.

first of all I'm wondering when you will show some respect to Nadal. He's a 7 time Grand Slam champion. Here at SW19 he's won, made 3 finals in a row and 4 consecutive semis
What has "your" beloved Andy done :confused: :rolleyes:

secondly watching Rafa is far more better than this pushmug Murray :wavey:

peribsen
07-01-2010, 05:02 PM
i dont need to convince sewer rats of anything. dont ever address me on this forum again. i will not say this again.

Dear poor Anorgasmictroll,

I don't take orders from poor beggars like you. I wonder if you ever think about the image of yourself that you give others with your messages. Perhaps it's better for you if you don´t find out.

Just how old are you, 13?

There's one thing on which you may be right, though. If it wasn´t in places like this forum, your like and my like would probably never meet. You're just not up to it.

Bye, bye tard. Do yourself a favour and get an education.

Sapeod
07-01-2010, 05:08 PM
read the thread tard its soderling vs nadal
And my post has Nadull in it, and I'm saying he's not winning the tournament :wavey:
This....

Is....

Spartaaaaaa!!!
This....

Is....

MTF!!!
first of all I'm wondering when you will show some respect to Nadal. He's a 7 time Grand Slam champion. Here at SW19 he's won, made 3 finals in a row and 4 consecutive semis
What has "your" beloved Andy done :confused: :rolleyes:

secondly watching Rafa is far more better than this pushmug Murray :wavey:

I will never show respect to Nadull. He plays a claycourt game and is ugly to watch. He is a cheater and a faker, and acts so humble yet that's just an act. Plus his tards and the never ending excuses for his losses are just too stupid.
And in no way is he better to watch than Murray :spit:

born_on_clay
07-01-2010, 05:58 PM
I will never show respect to Nadull. He plays a claycourt game and is ugly to watch. He is a cheater and a faker, and acts so humble yet that's just an act. Plus his tards and the never ending excuses for his losses are just too stupid.
And in no way is he better to watch than Murray :spit:


Really I had nothing against Murray but people like you make me hate the Scot. Are you proud of it ? You should have been doing something to atrract people to Murray as he's not so beloved as Rafa is ...

And your harsh words just speaks for you
Discussing with you has no point at all :wavey:

star
07-01-2010, 06:37 PM
you see what soderling did against nadal now? this is why this is a great rivalry.

:lol: :lol:

:worship:

That was an important post for my MTF reading pleasure. :hatoff: