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Officials fine Nadal $2,000 for receiving coaching

abraxas21
06-29-2010, 03:56 AM
http://www.tennis.com/articles/templates/news.aspx?articleid=6292&zoneid=4

Guess that meeting with the tournament supervisor didn't go too well.

Clay Death
06-29-2010, 04:04 AM
http://www.tennis.com/articles/templates/news.aspx?articleid=6292&zoneid=4

Guess that meeting with the tournament supervisor didn't goo too well.

he was never really coached. and tony is not exactly an authority on winning tennis matches.

this will serve to piss off the clay warrior.

Veronique
06-29-2010, 04:41 AM
Carlos rodriguez blatantly coached Justine during her losing effort to Kim yesterday. The commentators talked about it the whole match.

crude oil
06-29-2010, 04:52 AM
for so many years rafatards have been defending rafalita disputing the coaching accusations...yet even now rafa admits that "toni talks too much".

it is about time the ATP & Grand Slams realize the blatant cheating.

docking34
06-29-2010, 04:56 AM
2000? this it all.. i mean cmon this is just a drop in the bucket for nadul

martinatreue
06-29-2010, 05:20 AM
Gosh I hope he can afford his flight home. :(

Audacity
06-29-2010, 05:25 AM
Tough blow for Nadal.

Fedicilous
06-29-2010, 05:57 AM
Probably this fine will destroy Nadal's finances and he is forced to work in McDonalds.

tektonac
06-29-2010, 06:01 AM
wow, toni's tip worth 2K$; how much does he make per hour then :angel:

*bunny*
06-29-2010, 06:17 AM
Carlos rodriguez blatantly coached Justine during her losing effort to Kim yesterday. The commentators talked about it the whole match.
Yup. It's been always like this but Henin never gets warning for some reason.

Toni might have cheered Rafa on a bit too much in the past but I hope officials will be atleast impartial in giving out warnings and penalties.

Polikarpov
06-29-2010, 06:25 AM
Yup. It's been always like this but Henin never gets warning for some reason.

Toni might have cheered Rafa on a bit too much in the past but I hope officials will be atleast impartial in giving out warnings and penalties.

I think the difference is that Carlos gives hand signals (they have an intricate hand signal system), while Toni actually talks to Rafa.

Tonkie13
06-29-2010, 06:28 AM
Fuck you stupid atp or wimby thing whatever it is, he never actually talked in tips just saying'vamos rafa you can do it?

Ad Wim
06-29-2010, 06:31 AM
Yeah, like he cares about 2K. He should have received a warning and a penalty point if it happened again. Like everybody else. But ofcourse the big guys get protected...

straitup
06-29-2010, 06:31 AM
Carlos rodriguez blatantly coached Justine during her losing effort to Kim yesterday. The commentators talked about it the whole match.

Yeah I'm glad commentators are finally speaking up a little about it...at least on ESPN they are. Never really used to hear much about coaching until this year, but I think seeing Henin back and relying on Carlos more than ever has made the commentators here talk more...freely.

bokehlicious
06-29-2010, 06:44 AM
They should warn him and give penalties on court, that fine won't change anything :yawn: :zzz:

paseo
06-29-2010, 06:48 AM
Probably this fine will destroy Nadal's finances and he is forced to work in McDonalds.

:lol:

careergrandslam
06-29-2010, 08:03 AM
hopefully this will motivate him even more to win the title.
that fat french umpire should be banned from umpiring nadal matches again, he was the same tool that told davyydenko to try harder.
french egos are bruised after being humiliated in the world cup.

bokehlicious
06-29-2010, 08:12 AM
hopefully this will motivate him even more to win the title.

Motivation has always been there :shrug:, abilities to do it? No so much... :)

Hewitt =Legend
06-29-2010, 08:12 AM
The punishment should have been to let Soderling place his water bottles at the start of their match.

As for the $2000, well that is really gonna hit him hard.

BackhandMissile
06-29-2010, 08:15 AM
Has anyone got clips of Toni coaching, by any chance? I've heard of it happening a few times but always seem to miss it for some reason.

oematoema
06-29-2010, 08:21 AM
I find it hard to see how anything that Uncle Toni says is going to stimulate a professional tennis player. But I guess OCD won't let Nadal dump this creep.

MariaV
06-29-2010, 08:24 AM
Motivation has always been there :shrug:, abilities to do it? No so much... :)

He has already won Wimbledon. :D :shrug: Unlike some other oh-so-talented players that sadly never will. :)

ORGASMATRON
06-29-2010, 08:30 AM
its about time they started doing something. this shit needs to stop.

bokehlicious
06-29-2010, 09:10 AM
Unlike some other oh-so-talented players that sadly never will. :)

Really? :scratch: I think those who deserved to win Wimbledon actually did it, don't know what you're talking about :awww: :hug:

green25814
06-29-2010, 09:13 AM
Like that will change anything.

They should've banned uncle Toni from courtside for his next match.

aloniv
06-29-2010, 09:32 AM
What percentage of Nadal's earnings is 2000 dollars? Isn't it like 5 dollars for 'regular' people?

Acer
06-29-2010, 09:37 AM
Haters.

Who hate cheating. Absolutely.

born_on_clay
06-29-2010, 10:39 AM
"Vamos Rafa" is a coaching ? :o

bokehlicious
06-29-2010, 10:40 AM
"Vamos Rafa" is a coaching ? :o

:lol: that's indeed all tio Toni's saying during a match....... :rolleyes:

born_on_clay
06-29-2010, 10:43 AM
:lol: that's indeed all tio Toni's saying during a match....... :rolleyes:

or "great shot Rafa" :haha:

bokehlicious
06-29-2010, 10:48 AM
or "great shot Rafa" :haha:

Sure sure... You rafatards know it better, I guess ATP fined Nadal over nothing just because they hate him... :( :awww: :hug: :hug:


:lol:

careergrandslam
06-29-2010, 11:52 AM
Who hate cheating. Absolutely.

U are a hater.

superslam77
06-29-2010, 11:57 AM
Just look at Toni's face!!!

2fYDIUOU0ns
guilty written all over it

andylovesaustin
06-29-2010, 12:00 PM
Maybe it's a "broad" definition of "coaching" and up to the supervisor?

I attended a boxing event this weekend, and this one boxer's corner was getting a bid "loud." One of the guys--the boxer's main trainer-- wasn't coaching necessarily, but he was just loudly supporting his boxer. We had ringside seats, so we could hear the guy.

One of the officials eventually warned the trainer to keep it down. He pulled back a little bit, but he was still pretty loud.

Of course, in boxing the trainer would have just been escorted out!

So maybe it was the supervisor's call? Apparently, Rafa talked to the supervisor, then decided to just accept the fine. I would imagine he could appeal if he wanted to...:shrug:

Henin is another story. I just don't understand why she isn't more confident on her own. Doesn't make any sense.

Chiakifug
06-29-2010, 12:32 PM
Does he think his name is Henin?

Mateya
06-29-2010, 12:51 PM
It was about time :lol:

Henin is a joke, looking at her coach all the time, like a 5 year old baby who cannot handle anything on her own. Dementieva is in her league as well. What a headcases.

You are there on your own, you make your own decitions. That's the point of tennis, if you can't play without a help of others, you are brainless or a mental midget. :wavey:

JolánGagó
06-29-2010, 12:58 PM
Total rubish. Uncle Toni would never coach, it's against his multiple religions.

Dimitra
06-29-2010, 01:13 PM
About time something is done about it,better than nothing and good decision from the ATP:yeah:

as for the idiots who say this is a small amount,the money doesn't matter.:rolleyes:
This is a huge blow for Nadal's ego imo.

brent-o
06-29-2010, 01:16 PM
Yeah, like he cares about 2K. He should have received a warning and a penalty point if it happened again. Like everybody else. But ofcourse the big guys get protected...

That's what I don't understand though, didn't he just get one warning in the match? What brought on the fine, did the officials review the match and determine he did it again? Confused :confused:

Orka_n
06-29-2010, 01:18 PM
This is all just funny :lol:

Dimitra
06-29-2010, 01:35 PM
That's what I don't understand though, didn't he just get one warning in the match? What brought on the fine, did the officials review the match and determine he did it again? Confused :confused:

I think Rafa was going to complaing to supervisor about that?:shrug: maybe the meeting didn't turn out as well as he planned.

Pirata.
06-29-2010, 01:47 PM
What percentage of Nadal's earnings is 2000 dollars? Isn't it like 5 dollars for 'regular' people?

Probably more like five cents.

allpro
06-29-2010, 01:52 PM
Just look at Toni's face!!!

2fYDIUOU0ns
guilty written all over it

:haha::haha:

:worship: rafa & co. :worship:

swebright
06-29-2010, 01:57 PM
I think he was fined for pointing the finger at the umpire.:devil:

Even when he got the warning, he had to communicate with Uncle Toni.

Commander Data
06-29-2010, 01:57 PM
Total rubish. Uncle Toni would never coach, it's against his multiple religions.

Exactly, like Christians would never kill anybody, oh wait...

careergrandslam
06-29-2010, 02:05 PM
god nadal is pretty calm in these situations.
if it was me i would drag the umpire down from the chair and punch his lights out.

SheepleBuster
06-29-2010, 02:07 PM
http://www.tennis.com/articles/templates/news.aspx?articleid=6292&zoneid=4

Guess that meeting with the tournament supervisor didn't go too well.

Does the money go to Patzh who lost unfairly when Nadal cheated? Uncle Toney must think we are still living in 1900s and nobody knows Spanish. He was telling him to hit a backhand down the line (according to my translator).

The Magician
06-29-2010, 02:18 PM
I love how the ATP has officially declared Nadal a cheater and tards are still saying it's not true. Looks like the facts are against you this time :wavey:

Jagermeister
06-29-2010, 02:21 PM
2,000 clams is not going that much...kind of a silly fine. but maybe it'll finally get Uncle Toni to shut the hell up. He's annoying and I don't think Rafa needs the help anyway.

ChuckNorrisFan
06-29-2010, 02:32 PM
Should have been a warning. Fed and Nadal always get away.

kindling
06-29-2010, 02:51 PM
Tarnished run at Wimbledon for Nadal….

M4RC
06-29-2010, 03:09 PM
I love how the ATP has officially declared Nadal a cheater and tards are still saying it's not true. Looks like the facts are against you this time :wavey:

Looks like tomorrow you'll suddenly disappear after Nadal's match. We'll miss you :bigcry:

Does the money go to Patzh who lost unfairly when Nadal cheated? Uncle Toney must think we are still living in 1900s and nobody knows Spanish. He was telling him to hit a backhand down the line (according to my translator).

Spanish? Do you think they communicate in Spanish? :haha: According to your translator, OMG.

"Positiu" is what Toni said. PO-SI-TI-U. The french umpire up there should try to learn Spanish first, then he could try to get a clue about Catalan. He just embarrassed himself.

MoiNonPlus
06-29-2010, 03:13 PM
I'm no Nadal hater and I don't think he has ever been blatantly disrespectful to anybody on court, but this coaching episode was one too many. Mourier was right to give him a warning, but a $2,000 fine won't change anything.

I was a bit surprised at Nadal's reaction, I had never seen him wagging his finger at an umpire. But I loved the way Toni tried to save face, nodding as if in agreement with the warning.

your_valentine
06-29-2010, 03:14 PM
At last :worship:

blanky987
06-29-2010, 03:23 PM
hopefully this will motivate him even more to win the title.
that fat french umpire should be banned from umpiring nadal matches again, he was the same tool that told davyydenko to try harder.
french egos are bruised after being humiliated in the world cup.

The umpire that gave Davydenko a warning for lack of effort in that match against Cilic was the belgian Jean-Philippe Dercq according to a quick google search :wavey:

Sapeod
06-29-2010, 03:25 PM
Only 2k? He should be fined 10k atleast :rolleyes: Cheater, and Uncle Toni is an idiot too. They are both idiots. Hopefully Nadull will be knocked out by Soderling :o Don't want that cheating idiot going any further :o

Snoo Foo
06-29-2010, 03:29 PM
The umpire that gave Davydenko a warning for lack of effort in that match against Cilic was the belgian Jean-Philippe Dercq according to a quick google search :wavey:

that was a different incident, this was when kolya hit 10 double faults against baghdatis in paris (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/7073200.stm), according to a quick google search :wavey:

Saumon
06-29-2010, 03:40 PM
Only 2k? He should be fined 10k atleast :rolleyes: Cheater, and Uncle Toni is an idiot too. They are both idiots. Hopefully Nadull will be knocked out by Soderling :o Don't want that cheating idiot going any further :o

You prefer this cheater?

3CnX6k0snxA

:lol:

blanky987
06-29-2010, 03:49 PM
that was a different incident, this was when kolya hit 10 double faults against baghdatis in paris (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/7073200.stm), according to a quick google search :wavey:

I admit defeat :sad:

r2473
06-29-2010, 04:29 PM
"$2K fine? I ain't got TIME for this shit."

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/7123/slide_7123_94075_large.jpg?1277828882985

Sapeod
06-29-2010, 04:31 PM
You prefer this cheater?

3CnX6k0snxA

:lol:
That did look like cheating by Soderling there, I admit, but that was a year ago. This is now, and Nadull cheated just a few days ago.

nsidhan
06-29-2010, 04:37 PM
A $2K fine to help him win $1M if he wins Wimbledon? Good business strategy by Nadal :yeah:

Win-win situation.

KoOlMaNsEaN
06-29-2010, 04:43 PM
About time. He's not the only one so hopefully they catch the other coaching incidents as well

Pfloyd
06-29-2010, 04:48 PM
You prefer this cheater?

3CnX6k0snxA

:lol:

:haha: :haha:

:yeah:

Lleyton_
06-29-2010, 04:56 PM
Well deserved:worship:

samanosuke
06-29-2010, 04:58 PM
he was never really coached. and tony is not exactly an authority on winning tennis matches.

this will serve to piss off the clay warrior.



true warrior doesn't bring white flag time after after on the battlefield

tangerine_dream
06-29-2010, 04:59 PM
Carlos rodriguez blatantly coached Justine during her losing effort to Kim yesterday. The commentators talked about it the whole match.
Justine is the worst offender of all of them, men and women. Somebody's gotta grow some balls and call her out on it during a match.

Arkulari
06-29-2010, 05:08 PM
Justine is the worst offender of all of them, men and women. Somebody's gotta grow some balls and call her out on it during a match.

Dinara was really bad as well :o

Toni DOES coach Rafa sometimes (when to call a challenge for example, Rafa usually looks at his box for that), you gotta be blind not to notice, but this time he wasn't doing it

ORGASMATRON
06-29-2010, 05:13 PM
You prefer this cheater?

3CnX6k0snxA

:lol:

:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:

this is not cheating this is just hilarious. when nadal cheats its cheating, when soderling cheats is just funny.

R.Federer
06-29-2010, 05:22 PM
$2000 is nothing... more effective would be to show uncle toni the door..

Acer
06-29-2010, 05:29 PM
U are a hater.

Again, yes, who hates cheating.

Good GRIEF.

Sapeod
06-29-2010, 05:31 PM
:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:

this is not cheating this is just hilarious. when nadal cheats its cheating, when soderling cheats is just funny.
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: Robin is funny, I was laughing so much when he started imitating Nadull at Wimby 2007. Hilarious stuff :lol:

cutesteve22
06-29-2010, 05:50 PM
Well deserved

Castafiore
06-29-2010, 05:57 PM
Toni DOES coach Rafa sometimes (when to call a challenge for example, Rafa usually looks at his box for that), you gotta be blind not to notice, but this time he wasn't doing it
A LOT of players do that. :shrug:

According to the rules, no communication - audible or visible - is allowed so the warning and fine is justified but if they would actually apply those rules consistently, they would have to warn just about every player out there.

The fact that this rule is a vague one and is only applied once in a while makes it unjust to those who get fined. Either apply it or don't and change the rules to something that's easier to apply.

Commander Data
06-29-2010, 06:03 PM
A LOT of players do that. :shrug:

According to the rules, no communication - audible or visible - is allowed so the warning and fine is justified but if they would actually apply those rules consistently, they would have to warn just about every player out there.

The fact that this rule is a vague one and is only applied once in a while makes it unjust to those who get fined. Either apply it or don't and change the rules to something that's easier to apply.

Not Federer ;)

Castafiore
06-29-2010, 06:08 PM
Not Federer ;)
He's cunning. He doesn't have an official coach so Mirka can encourage her little heart out without getting a fine for it.

That rule needs to be adjusted.

M4RC
06-29-2010, 06:09 PM
:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:

this is not cheating this is just hilarious. when nadal cheats its cheating, when soderling cheats is just funny.

Obvious is obvious.

Snoo Foo
06-29-2010, 06:14 PM
god is roger's coach

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c145/solekat205/Catholic%20Kitsch/jesus_is_my_coach.jpg

Commander Data
06-29-2010, 06:15 PM
He's cunning. He doesn't have an official coach so Mirka can encourage her little heart out without getting a fine for it.

That rule needs to be adjusted.

I thinks Fed's "coach" that Lüthi guy, can not even coach him in training :lol:
The rules must be ajusted that way that Fed is not allowed to talk to himself during matches...

Ububub
06-29-2010, 09:03 PM
Is Nadal's $2K fine for receiving coaching on the court the first time that a reigning #1 player was punished for cheating? Will they start turning on the serve clock?

(I'm sorry if there is already a thread on this subject started back in the 1932 when Jimmy Von So-and-so did something or other . . . )

RafaTheBest
06-29-2010, 09:26 PM
I don't care what the rules say, anyone who actually thinks on-court coaching is cheating is a fucking idiot. Every single sport in the world except for tennis allows coaching during a match. This is a fucking retarded rule.

Sapeod
06-29-2010, 09:30 PM
I don't care what the rules say, anyone who actually thinks on-court coaching is cheating is a fucking idiot. Every single sport in the world except for tennis allows coaching during a match. This is a fucking retarded rule.
But it is cheating. You are not allowed giving on court coaching. Therefore Nadull was cheating :shrug:

RafaTheBest
06-29-2010, 09:31 PM
But it is cheating. You are not allowed giving on court coaching. Therefore Nadull was cheating :shrug:

It's a retarded rule and so many players/coaches do it without punishment that is shows the rule is a joke.

Sapeod
06-29-2010, 09:33 PM
It's a retarded rule and so many players/coaches do it without punishment that is shows the rule is a joke.
It is not a joke, it is a rule, and rules cannot be broken by the players. Nadull broke it, therefore he deserved the fine he got. Not a joke, Nadull cheated and got what he deserved :shrug:

Fed=ATPTourkilla
06-29-2010, 09:33 PM
Does make Nadal's post-match claims that he was going to report the umpire to the supervisor look a bit silly. Like he's getting too big for his boots.

Sunset of Age
06-29-2010, 09:37 PM
I don't care what the rules say, anyone who actually thinks on-court coaching is cheating is a fucking idiot. Every single sport in the world except for tennis allows coaching during a match. This is a fucking retarded rule.

One of the great things about tennis (well at least at the ATP and the GSs) is that it is a purely individual sport. You are out there on your own, you yourself will have to come up with a proper tactic to beat your opponent, adjust to the circumstances, etc. For me, that's part of the beauty of it, and abandoning this rule will have a debilitating effect on the sport just like it had at the WTA, where, apparently, a sexist idea rules that women are too stupid to think for themselves and 'need coaching'.

On-court coaching is still against the rules of the game, and doing so is breaking those rules. I personally wouldn't call it 'cheating', but it is a breach of rules and should be dealt with accordingly. Abandoning a rule because it doesn't seem to fit your favourite player seems a highly immature reaction to me. Rather enforce it better, so all culprits get caught.

Fed Fan
06-29-2010, 09:38 PM
Regardless of whether or not other players have escaped punishment, it does not make what Nadal repeatedly does right. Personally, I'd like to see umpires enforce the rules more strictly. Time wasting, calling out the trainer to disrupt the rhythm of an opponent and needless grunting is becoming frustrating.

JMG
06-29-2010, 09:44 PM
What's the point of the threads anyway? If you get a warning, you get fined. It was obvious that Nadal has no chance to avoid a fine.

Ivanatis
06-29-2010, 09:46 PM
I don't care what the rules say, anyone who actually thinks on-court coaching is cheating is a fucking idiot. Every single sport in the world except for tennis allows coaching during a match. This is a fucking retarded rule.

This.

abraxas21
06-30-2010, 12:25 AM
A LOT of players do that. :shrug:

According to the rules, no communication - audible or visible - is allowed so the warning and fine is justified but if they would actually apply those rules consistently, they would have to warn just about every player out there.

The fact that this rule is a vague one and is only applied once in a while makes it unjust to those who get fined. Either apply it or don't and change the rules to something that's easier to apply.

Must be some type of conspiracy against Rafa then.

Face it, Rafa gets more coaching than most players. Many times the coaching rule isn't enforced but when the umpire sees a player being coached time an time again then he's more bound to do something about it.

Arkulari
06-30-2010, 03:34 AM
One of the great things about tennis (well at least at the ATP and the GSs) is that it is a purely individual sport. You are out there on your own, you yourself will have to come up with a proper tactic to beat your opponent, adjust to the circumstances, etc. For me, that's part of the beauty of it, and abandoning this rule will have a debilitating effect on the sport just like it had at the WTA, where, apparently, a sexist idea rules that women are too stupid to think for themselves and 'need coaching'.

On-court coaching is still against the rules of the game, and doing so is breaking those rules. I personally wouldn't call it 'cheating', but it is a breach of rules and should be dealt with accordingly. Abandoning a rule because it doesn't seem to fit your favourite player seems a highly immature reaction to me. Rather enforce it better, so all culprits get caught.

the issue here isn't the rule itself, I couldn't give a damn if it exists or not, but if there is a rule, then it has to be followed, is as simple as that

I don't like Nole's timewasting, Soda's cheating, etc

Rafa is a part of the Players Council, so he could propose the change of a rule, he can work on that instead of getting the rule broken by using his security blanket aka Toni's coaching

I don't believe there was coaching at THIS particular time, but the team was already under scrutiny for everything that has happened in the past :shrug:

Castafiore
06-30-2010, 07:25 AM
Must be some type of conspiracy against Rafa then.
:confused: No. :shrug:
More of a fuss is being made over it when Rafa gets a warning, that's all.

It's not the first time that Rafa is under scrutiny. Toni is too talkative whether he's actually giving clues or just shouting vamos. The rules state "no communication" so if you follow those rules strictly, the warning and the fine is justified.
In this case, even Petzschner - the opponent - stated in his presser that he doesn't believe Rafa was being coached. However, even if Toni was just encouraging, that's already breaking the rule so I'm okay with the warning and fine.

Having said that, it's an arbitrary rule, that's all.
For example, I find it ludicrous that, when looking at the player's box: the physio, the manager, the girlfriend, the father, ....can shout encouragements but the coach can't.

Turquoise
06-30-2010, 08:29 AM
But it is cheating. You are not allowed giving on court coaching. Therefore Nadull was cheating :shrug:

You are aware that not too long ago (was it last year?) Murray got a coaching code violation because Miles was "moving his lips several times"? :lol: Didn't improve his mood, but just like Nadal, it spurred him on to play better and win the match.

waka
06-30-2010, 09:18 AM
One of the great things about tennis (well at least at the ATP and the GSs) is that it is a purely individual sport. You are out there on your own, you yourself will have to come up with a proper tactic to beat your opponent, adjust to the circumstances, etc. For me, that's part of the beauty of it, and abandoning this rule will have a debilitating effect on the sport just like it had at the WTA, where, apparently, a sexist idea rules that women are too stupid to think for themselves and 'need coaching'.

On-court coaching is still against the rules of the game, and doing so is breaking those rules. I personally wouldn't call it 'cheating', but it is a breach of rules and should be dealt with accordingly. Abandoning a rule because it doesn't seem to fit your favourite player seems a highly immature reaction to me. Rather enforce it better, so all culprits get caught.

I agree.

Nadal,Sharapova, Henin,Dementieve,who play tennis under the guidance of gardian:p are likely to rely on their coarch too much.Once you step into a court you are on your own to fight with opponent.Especially looking at the Box and asking if they should challenge is worst thing to do. I feel like saying how dare you can ask someone the ball was in or out.You are the one playing on the court,Judge by yourself.