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River
06-28-2010, 08:18 PM
Who's Next for Andy Roddick?

I think since Miami I've felt that Stefanki's coaching has gone awry. Why? Because Andy won against Nadal by doing his old style or Serve Big and Hit Big.

It's obvious that all these coaches have given Andy something he can us to evolve. But Andy needs one more to complete the puzzle.

Who should be Andy's new coach if he decides to get one?

From today's commentary, I think Paul Annacone would be a great asset. He said everything that Andy needed to do perfectly at the right points.

tyruk14
06-28-2010, 08:19 PM
Roger Federer.

Byrd
06-28-2010, 08:20 PM
Lu

River
06-28-2010, 08:21 PM
There's no one out there that can turn around this no talent pusher.

This hack beat every top ten player before in convincing fashion.

Byrd
06-28-2010, 08:23 PM
This hack beat every top ten player before in convincing fashion.

Yea I'm sure he has :rolleyes:

Paylu2007
06-28-2010, 08:24 PM
Monica Seles

Johnny Groove
06-28-2010, 08:24 PM
Annacone would be a good choice.

But it really all matters on Roddick. He knows the game he needs to play, he just doesn't do it.

Serenidad
06-28-2010, 08:25 PM
There's nothing you can do to his game. He has no real ability relatively to the players above him. Roddick will never win another slam no matter who is coaching him. He simply isn't good enough.

He gets by most of the scrubs due to his serve, experience, and a little grit. Occasionally he feasts on out of form Top 10 players like Djokovic last year or a complete MM fall apart draw like the IW/Miami Masters 1000s this year. That is how he makes a living.

Selby
06-28-2010, 08:25 PM
Retirement, and if he doesn't retire then it has to be Gilbert again.

River
06-28-2010, 08:26 PM
Yea I'm sure he has :rolleyes:

Am I really going to have to list it to you, you idiot... or should I be the bigger man and walk away and leave you to your hallucinations.

Mike_Hunt
06-28-2010, 08:27 PM
Can't nobody help him now. He's OVA.

Byrd
06-28-2010, 08:28 PM
Am I really going to have to list it to you, you idiot... or should I be the bigger man and walk away and leave you to your hallucinations.

Go ahead fool, your the one disillusioned enough to actually think a new coach can help Roddick :lol:

Langers
06-28-2010, 08:31 PM
Who's Next for Andy Roddick?

I think since Miami I've felt that Stefanki's coaching has gone awry. Why? Because Andy won against Nadal by doing his old style or Serve Big and Hit Big.

It's obvious that all these coaches have given Andy something he can us to evolve. But Andy needs one more to complete the puzzle.

Who should be Andy's new coach if he decides to get one?

From today's commentary, I think Paul Annacone would be a great asset. He said everything that Andy needed to do perfectly at the right points.
Someone to force him into retirement hopefully.

River
06-28-2010, 08:33 PM
Go ahead fool, your the one disillusioned enough to actually think a new coach can help Roddick :lol:

Every coach has helped Roddick enter the finals at least once. Roddick also has been to more Grand Slam finals the past years than anyone on tour besides Rafa and Fed.

I'd like to know who the heck you'd root for, and if it's anyone besides Nadal or Federer, I'd probably spit my water out laughing. And if it Rafa or Federer... well.. no one likes a Rafatroll or a Fedtroll.

ShotmaKer
06-28-2010, 09:33 PM
i believe Raymond Domenech is free and looking for his next job.

Humerus
06-28-2010, 09:35 PM
Can't nobody help him now. He's OVA.

Scream it, gurl!!!!

So OVA. Not that even ever started.

Fierce:hearts:

Geo
06-28-2010, 10:29 PM
:lol: yeah I bet he'll be dumping Stefanki really soon. Wimbledon is the one Roddick really wants now :awww: :spit: the fact is Roddick was just outplayed today :shrug:

andylovesaustin
06-28-2010, 10:34 PM
Lu

:lol:

Maybe he needs to sort of gleen from all these coaches and his match experiences?

I just think he needs to play EVERY grand slam to win.. not just participate...

But you know... I guess life gets in the way sometimes..

Ozone
06-28-2010, 10:36 PM
Gilbert is at the top but Stefanki is higher

Rosa Luxembourg
06-28-2010, 10:42 PM
yeah Duck's fans, blame Stefanki :haha: :rolls:

andylovesaustin
06-28-2010, 10:53 PM
yeah Duck's fans, blame Stefanki :haha: :rolls:

No...we blame the Duck. I'm sure Stefanki didn't say, "Now Andy just push the ball back so your opponent will make a mistake rather than just take control of the match."

The truth is Andy will blame Stefanki more than likely... just like he's getting his knickers in a twist in his presser! The media is just so mean to the Duck... not!

bluefork
06-28-2010, 11:20 PM
What makes you think it's Stefanki and not Roddick who makes the decision for Roddick to play pushing tennis? Roddick started playing like that during his stint with Jimmy Connors and he seems to have gotten comfortable doing it.

River
06-28-2010, 11:32 PM
What makes you think it's Stefanki and not Roddick who makes the decision for Roddick to play pushing tennis? Roddick started playing like that during his stint with Jimmy Connors and he seems to have gotten comfortable doing it.

Roddick's stupid stubborness has cost him time and time again. If not a new coach, then someone to tell him "You know what? You're f*cking stupid." for all the times that he himself has cost him the match.

I put up Paul Annacone as a candidate merely because Paul was able to articulate Andy's game on television as best as possible, all the while giving us viewers who watch the sport religiously what he's really thinking, and that was "Andy's being a moron who should know better than to keep falling back on pressure plays."

I don't put /all/ the blame on Stefanki; Andy's the one playing the game, after all. However, it seems Andy's falling into the Stefanki curse where the players peak real high, then suddenly do very very bad. Gonzo, for example, peaked at the AO with Stefanki but dropped. Ever since they parted, Gonzo seems to have returned to a good form.

Andy needs a voice to slap him back to reality, and Stefanki's positivity isn't helping anymore; he needs someone to tell him what he's doing WRONG, not what he's doing RIGHT. He has his wife for that, lol.

HKz
06-28-2010, 11:36 PM
So many disrespectful haters zzzzz

heya
06-28-2010, 11:52 PM
He's lucky to be living his free lifestyle.
Roddick'd be locked in prison if
he had suffered from a turbulent life.
Lu managed to play calmly & intelligently
after dealing with
his father's death.

BK 201
06-29-2010, 10:08 AM
Darren Cahill.


He's the only person who has actually addressed Roddick's missing 'flat forehand'. However Stefanki is the best coach so i hope A-rod doesn't get rid of him.

MacTheKnife
06-29-2010, 12:38 PM
Coaches are not roddicks problem. Listening to them seems to be an issue.

nobama
06-29-2010, 12:39 PM
Darren Cahill.


He's the only person who has actually addressed Roddick's missing 'flat forehand'. However Stefanki is the best coach so i hope A-rod doesn't get rid of him.Who hasn't addressed his powder puff FH. :lol: I guess anyone here on MTF could be his next coach then.

Il Primo Uomo
06-29-2010, 12:48 PM
This is the end of the road for him. He needs to let it go and call it a career.

betowiec
06-29-2010, 12:49 PM
This is the end of the road for him. He needs to let it go and call it a career.

maybe not the end but top 10 that's all he can be, forget about top5

BK 201
06-29-2010, 01:35 PM
Who hasn't addressed his powder puff FH.

Tell that to Nadal. He got the worst of Roddick's powder puff forehand. Cahill is the only commentator who says that Roddick doesn't hit flat enough. It's true.

Priam
06-29-2010, 01:45 PM
Maybe a European coach can fix him.

adee-gee
06-29-2010, 01:47 PM
Goldfine was the worst imo. Maybe it's just a coincidence, but that's when his forehand really regressed.

Stefanki got him into good shape at one point and tried to get him coming to the net more. It was a decent idea, but it hasn't quite worked.

leng jai
06-29-2010, 02:04 PM
Coaches are not roddicks problem. Listening to them seems to be an issue.

Coaches are overrated when you get to this level. At the end of the day it doesn't matter what ultimate advice the coach has, its up to the player.

Sophocles
06-29-2010, 02:34 PM
Goldfine was the worst imo. Maybe it's just a coincidence, but that's when his forehand really regressed.

Stefanki got him into good shape at one point and tried to get him coming to the net more. It was a decent idea, but it hasn't quite worked.

The trouble is that Roddick has one of the worst transition games of any top player. He has poor approach shots & no instinct about when, how, or where to approach the net, & is passed more often & more easily than just about any player you regularly see on T.V. He has arguably the best smash on the tour, & his volleying skills, while modest, aren't as shitty as people make out, but they can't compensate for his ineptitude on the approach.

swebright
06-29-2010, 03:01 PM
He's just not that good. Not the coaches' fault.

Annacone and Cahill better not waste their time and energy on Andy. May be he should go coachless for a while.

allpro
06-29-2010, 03:19 PM
Coaches are not roddicks problem. Listening to them seems to be an issue.

agreed. you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

cutesteve22
06-29-2010, 06:56 PM
Decker

BK 201
06-29-2010, 07:06 PM
The trouble is that Roddick has one of the worst transition games of any top player. He has poor approach shots & no instinct about when, how, or where to approach the net, & is passed more often & more easily than just about any player you regularly see on T.V. He has arguably the best smash on the tour, & his volleying skills, while modest, aren't as shitty as people make out, but they can't compensate for his ineptitude on the approach.

Yep, unfortunately all of Roddick's flaws and weaknesses on court can't be taught or learnt. He just needs to play aggressive. When Roddick plays aggressive, he's normally in a slam final or winning another big title. Also, he beats the top players when he flattens out his shots.

River
06-29-2010, 07:48 PM
My problem with Andy Roddick is that, for a lack of a better term, Andy's a Glass Cannon. He has a wide variety of offensive shots (Serve, Forehand if hit flat, a now decent backhand, netplay, offensive slice, etc), but lacks any way to adapt when put on the defensive. As stated before by someone, he lacks good approaches and when he /does/ hit an approach shot, it's such terrible placement that it automatically puts him in a bad position.

Lu's gameplan was perfect because he kept Roddick in a total defensive state. But because Roddick is all about offense, he did pisspoor trying to transition back into AT LEAST a neutral grounding.

Andy also admitted it; he served fine, but his Return of Serve was just absolutely atrocious. He couldn't even hit back 90+mph serves. I don't recall Stefanki being any good in that department.

And guess what? Andy would be okay if he just learned to freakin flatten his damn ball. It's THAT SIMPLE for him now. There about 20+ - 30+ times in that Lu match where he placed the ball at a great angle and would have had that as a winner if he had just a little more pace. Lu was kept off balance a good number of times and Andy could have put it away, but idk what Larry told him or what Andy told himself, but this pisspoor passiveness failed. His backhand has now become his most reliable groundstroke; and it's not even THAT good.

Sophocles
06-30-2010, 12:49 AM
My problem with Andy Roddick is that, for a lack of a better term, Andy's a Glass Cannon. He has a wide variety of offensive shots (Serve, Forehand if hit flat, a now decent backhand, netplay, offensive slice, etc), but lacks any way to adapt when put on the defensive. As stated before by someone, he lacks good approaches and when he /does/ hit an approach shot, it's such terrible placement that it automatically puts him in a bad position.

Lu's gameplan was perfect because he kept Roddick in a total defensive state. But because Roddick is all about offense, he did pisspoor trying to transition back into AT LEAST a neutral grounding.

Andy also admitted it; he served fine, but his Return of Serve was just absolutely atrocious. He couldn't even hit back 90+mph serves. I don't recall Stefanki being any good in that department.

And guess what? Andy would be okay if he just learned to freakin flatten his damn ball. It's THAT SIMPLE for him now. There about 20+ - 30+ times in that Lu match where he placed the ball at a great angle and would have had that as a winner if he had just a little more pace. Lu was kept off balance a good number of times and Andy could have put it away, but idk what Larry told him or what Andy told himself, but this pisspoor passiveness failed. His backhand has now become his most reliable groundstroke; and it's not even THAT good.

He should have carried on playing the way he played in the 2004 Wimbledon. He might have had less consistent results but he'd have been more likely to win another slam. He lost that day only because he was against peak Fed, who was badly rattled but clutch, not because he "overplayed" as he said later.

Serenidad
06-30-2010, 04:19 AM
People still think Roddick can do anything significant? Move on. Now that his serve isn't even as good as it was in terms of speed and direction, he's just waiting to hit rock bottom.

River
06-30-2010, 07:57 AM
People still think Roddick can do anything significant? Move on. Now that his serve isn't even as good as it was in terms of speed and direction, he's just waiting to hit rock bottom.

I've lurked here for a good 2 years, and I swear you said that 2 years ago.

BK 201
06-30-2010, 09:41 AM
It was John Roddick, and also a little help from Goldfine who messed up Roddick's game completely. That is why his game is passive now. Connors and Stefanki have tried to fix Roddick the best they could but.....

nalbyfan
06-30-2010, 10:07 AM
Raymond Domenech is a good choice but can he speak english ? It's not the coach who plays but the player...if the player is not in a good day, no coach can help him.
A new coach for Andy would be usless in my opinion...

River
07-02-2010, 07:42 PM
It was John Roddick, and also a little help from Goldfine who messed up Roddick's game completely. That is why his game is passive now. Connors and Stefanki have tried to fix Roddick the best they could but.....

I think Roddick would change anything in his game just to stay in contention.

But I think someone who is able to take the old school style he used to have and merge it with his passive play to make a more complete player would make Andy much more dangerous.

But the majority is right in saying that Andy's mindset has to have a serious check.

heya
07-02-2010, 08:09 PM
He married the model to prepare for
retirement & impress his mother.
He hired his brother John. John lost 10 pounds,
but Roddick gained 15 pounds.
Federer actually thought Roddick was playing in peak condition
& good mental health.
Anyone who takes tennis seriously doesn't hire a loser to
manipulate & promote a fake story about 'caring & loving to win".