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WWW Wimby QF: Soderling vs Nadal

andy neyer
06-28-2010, 07:03 PM
Be warned that the poll is public.

Sapeod
06-28-2010, 07:04 PM
Nadull is still playing against Mathieu :retard:

andy neyer
06-28-2010, 07:05 PM
Nadull is still playing against Mathieu :retard:

sorry, I'm getting ahead of myself. Let this thread rest for a couple of hours.

ChuckNorrisFan
06-28-2010, 07:05 PM
Imminent fail

.-Federers_Mate-.
06-28-2010, 07:07 PM
nadal is obviously beating phm

FedEXpress91
06-28-2010, 07:07 PM
Nadull is still playing against Mathieu :retard:

Nadull won the first set already mathieu isn't coming back and winning so this thread is fine

andy neyer
06-28-2010, 07:09 PM
Imminent fail

I'm 100% sure Nadal will win, though. I'd be willing to retire from this site for good if Nadal doesn't win the match.

arm
06-28-2010, 07:10 PM
you have got to be kidding :smash: clownish

SectionX
06-28-2010, 07:10 PM
nadal will win against Mathieu. Everyone bends over for nadull except for like 1-2 players in the world.

Sapeod
06-28-2010, 07:11 PM
sorry, I'm getting ahead of myself. Let this thread rest for a couple of hours.
You are probably right that Nadull will win, but if he doesn't, you are gonna look like one huge idiot. Nadull will win though, so your safe. But then again, will he? Won't know until he does win.

Fedicilous
06-28-2010, 07:11 PM
After watching today's muggery from Soderling, I predict a repeat of Roland Garros final.
Soderling is a treat only in theory.

Cheatdal in straights.

Bilbo
06-28-2010, 07:16 PM
R. Nadal in 4

philosophicalarf
06-28-2010, 07:41 PM
Yeah, Sod and Nadal's performances today are the polar opposites of their previous rounds.

Not sure if Sod is 100% fit either.

Topspin Forehand
06-28-2010, 07:41 PM
The match isn't over. Nice jinx attempt. :(

Persimmon
06-28-2010, 07:44 PM
sorry, I'm getting ahead of myself. Let this thread rest for a couple of hours.

Clown.

Langers
06-28-2010, 07:48 PM
Nadull is still playing against Mathieu :retard:
And what a Titanic struggle it's proving to be. :yeah:

Fedicilous
06-28-2010, 07:49 PM
Nadal leads 6-4 6-2 against his main bitch. Definitely we should not speak about the quartefinal against Soderling.

Langers
06-28-2010, 07:51 PM
After watching today's muggery from Soderling, I predict a repeat of Roland Garros final.
Soderling is a treat only in theory.

Cheatdal in straights.
Such amazing level of humour, incredible even. :worship:

henke007
06-28-2010, 07:53 PM
After watching today's muggery from Soderling, I predict a repeat of Roland Garros final.
Soderling is a treat only in theory.

Cheatdal in straights.

After Nadull's pathetic displays against Haase and Petzhner i would say its pretty even. Robin had his "bad" day at the office today hopefully he plays better on Wednesday and serves as big as he has!!:cool:

Robin wins in 5 sets :wavey:

Fedicilous
06-28-2010, 07:54 PM
Yes , he is not a cheater, you are right. Today's great performance is an effect of spells thrown by Gandalf the Grey, the trainer at Wimbledon.

ossie
06-28-2010, 07:59 PM
rafa in 3

andy neyer
06-28-2010, 08:02 PM
The match isn't over. Nice jinx attempt. :(

Believe it or not I actually started this thread by mistake. I was so sure that PHM was going to lose that somehow I thought that he had already lost.

That being said, I don't believe in jinxes at all. I don't see how a thread on an internet forum can influence the outcome of a match. It's strange to see how superstitious people are around here.

tumbak
06-28-2010, 08:09 PM
Nadal of course ... even though I'd be pleased if Sod takes it.

Commander Data
06-28-2010, 08:14 PM
Since Rafas knees are fine again, Nadal in 4. I think Sods tank will be too empty, just enough to get one set. This Nadal is intense, it needs a 100% performance to beat him.

Persimmon
06-28-2010, 08:16 PM
Soderling in 4.

Fedicilous
06-28-2010, 08:18 PM
Since Rafas knees are fine again, Nadal in 4. I think Sods tank will be too empty, just enough to get one set. This Nadal is intense, it needs a 100% performance to beat him.

Why his tank will be empty? He played one 5-setter after 3 rounds in office. He is not Djokovic or Melzer, he proved that he can stand a lot.
A man which defeated Nadal on clay has definitely a huge condition.

lazybear
06-28-2010, 08:19 PM
Söder in 4, or Nadal in 5. Voted Söder in 4. He's still a bad matchup for Nadal, and he should have his chances on a fast surface. He played pretty well up until today, and even today he had his chances to beat Ferrer much easier. He'll have his chances, if he'll be able to take them or not... That's a different story. Nadal is serving great though, that's the only part of his game that's clicking consistently, and that sliced serve to Söder's backhand could end up as the difference maker, funny as it probably sounds.

Chiakifug
06-28-2010, 08:19 PM
If Soderling plays like he did today he won win. But I dont think he will.

Rafaspin
06-28-2010, 08:20 PM
Now we can talk haha.

Gonna be epic.

Horatius
06-28-2010, 08:20 PM
Easy pick really - Nadal

rubbERR
06-28-2010, 08:20 PM
If Soderling plays like he did today he won win. But I dont think he will.

no he wont, he will play even worse and will b bagelled.

Topspin Forehand
06-28-2010, 08:21 PM
Grass is starting to play more like clay. Favor to Nadal. :)

Commander Data
06-28-2010, 08:22 PM
Why his tank will be empty? He played one 5-setter after 3 rounds in office. He is not Djokovic or Melzer, he proved that he can stand a lot.
A man which defeated Nadal on clay has definitely a huge condition.

I don't say that his tank will be completly empty, just not 100%. I believe it needs 100% to beat Nadal. But hey, I might be wrong. The match is certainly hard to predict. :wavey:

henke007
06-28-2010, 08:25 PM
Sod has been on court for 8hrs in 4 matches thats not much!!

Topspin Forehand
06-28-2010, 08:25 PM
I don't say that his tank will be completly empty, just not 100%. I believe it needs 100% to beat Nadal. But hey, I might be wrong. The match is certainly hard to predict. :wavey:
It was only 3 hours. Grass is not like clay. Not too tiring unless you have an extended 5 set match with no breaks.

RagingLamb
06-28-2010, 08:28 PM
If Soderling gets off to an early start (first set), he can run away with it.

And please do not start WWW threads before matches are finished.

Jomp1
06-28-2010, 08:29 PM
Robin will be just fine physically, but obviously needs to play more like in the early rounds. Back on a main court too.

Persimmon
06-28-2010, 08:30 PM
If Soderling gets off to an early start (first set), he can run away with it.

And please do not start WWW threads before matches are finished.

This.

Chiakifug
06-28-2010, 08:30 PM
no he wont, he will play even worse and will b bagelled.

Your posts are always full of infinite wisdom rubber. Its truly great to see such an intellectual such as yourself post here.

Clay Death
06-28-2010, 08:32 PM
there is no escape for soderling. none.

he will be lucky to get a set. its just that simple.

Elena.
06-28-2010, 08:33 PM
Soderling .Go Robin !

ShotmaKer
06-28-2010, 08:33 PM
i think Rafa in 4. hope to see a great fight from both in any case though.

straitup
06-28-2010, 08:36 PM
Amazing how the view here at MTF changes in one day...Soderling hates the heat and Ferrer was definitely going to be no pushover on grass. Meanwhile, Nadal beat Mathieu, and he might've looked impressive, but Mathieu looked pretty dang bad after the first few games. I have no idea who will win, but I'm going to say Soderling rebounds strong and takes Nadal out in 4

saniapower
06-28-2010, 08:44 PM
This is not red clay. Rafa be afraid.
Btw if it was Fed vs Soda i would have gone for Fed in BigW.

prafull
06-28-2010, 08:45 PM
If soderling plays his best then Nadal wins in 4 else Nadal wins in 3. So in short, Nadal wins.

tennisace28
06-28-2010, 08:48 PM
there is no escape for soderling. none.

he will be lucky to get a set. its just that simple.

Once again CD is all positive for KING RAFA, but this is grass CD, where the toad's monster serve and groundstrokes will penetrate the court much better. In the French Open final 3 weeks ago, rafa did a lot of retrieving and stayed defensive for the first one and the half sets which frustrated the big swede. Rafa cannot afford to campout 3 meters behind the baseline and retrieve shots as he just wont have the time on grass. I just dont see how rafa can hurt the toad with rafa's injured knees and not to mention he is looking slightly fatigued today in his fourth round encounter.

Arkulari
06-28-2010, 08:52 PM
Rafa in 4 or 5

vn01
06-28-2010, 08:55 PM
Rafa in 3

Veronique
06-28-2010, 08:56 PM
there is no escape for soderling. none.

he will be lucky to get a set. its just that simple.

I'm feeling bullish on Rafa as well, perhaps in 4 sets. I was encouraged by both their matches today. Here's hoping for a very, very hot and humid day on Wednesday. LOL

MrChopin
06-28-2010, 08:59 PM
Nadal in 5+ 2x MTO

tennisace28
06-28-2010, 08:59 PM
I can understand how rafa's fans want him to win, but to predict a victory for rafa in 3 straight sets is surely unrealistic. He is clearly suffering in his knees as he is not bending down to the low shots and is moving around rather gingerly in terms of rafa levels anyways. What realistic chance does he have against maybe the hardest hitter in mens tennis aka the swedish toad??? this is not clay, rafa cant stand 3 meters behind the baseline and defend until the toads mishits! thats not gonna happen for sure! for rafa to win this match, he firstly had to be 100% fit, secondly he would need some serious reserves in his tank which he has already used up in the first week.

Manequin75
06-28-2010, 09:01 PM
Grass is starting to play more like clay. Favor to Nadal. :)

what makes you say that? which matches were you watching today?

Manequin75
06-28-2010, 09:04 PM
does it matter if Rafa-sod match is on Center court or Court 1 ?

top four seeds are through to the quarters - 2 of them will be in center and 2 on court 1....

I think Fed and Rafa will be put on center court and Djkovich and Andy on Court 1.........


or Fed & andy on Center and Djko and Rafa on Court 1 just like today...

ALthough I think the former....

Sapeod
06-28-2010, 09:04 PM
Hopefully Soderling gets the upset and knocks out that cheating mug Nadull.

R.Federer
06-28-2010, 09:06 PM
The matchup I love most. Nothing like a pure grudge match. :lick:

Corey Feldman
06-28-2010, 09:07 PM
i have this feeling Soderling will implode

he wasnt handling Ferrer getting alot of balls back into play today, and Nadal will get 10 x more back than him

cutesteve22
06-28-2010, 09:11 PM
come on Robin

nanoman
06-28-2010, 09:21 PM
Soderking has turned into Sodapop just in time to lose to Nadal. Murray will be the one to do the roast.

tennisace28
06-28-2010, 09:25 PM
rafa is playing on court 1, him and djokovic. Andy murray and fed on center court

ZakMcCrack
06-28-2010, 09:30 PM
Grass is starting to play more like clay. Favor to Nadal. :)


...coming from the same guy who a few hours ago was obviously disappointed that Melzer had not been able to give Federer a run for his money and therefore complained about the draw which had Federer facing Melzer who's more of a clay specialist according to his august opinion...on the same day Nadal was about to play PHM on grass...and what comes next? such a statement as seen above...I am mightily amused :worship:

Manequin75
06-28-2010, 09:33 PM
rafa is playing on court 1, him and djokovic. Andy murray and fed on center court

thats what happened today. They wont do the same.

Putting both Fed and Andy on one court would make the other court weak. Today the henin vs clisters gave it soem star power.

On wednesday with only 4 mens matches on thes e2 courts I think you will have Rafa and Fed on center with Murray and Djoko on Court 1. That will balance things out - Rafs/Fed or home town favorite Murray.

ORGASMATRON
06-28-2010, 09:39 PM
its gonna be a close one. i dont know what happened to sod today but the important thing is he won. i think he can for sure upset nadal.

HDW
06-28-2010, 09:48 PM
Soder in 4

Humerus
06-28-2010, 09:48 PM
This will be fierce:hearts:. One of these bitches will be OVA!

Manequin75
06-28-2010, 09:49 PM
rafa's weakness is his inability to return first serves tis tournamnt for the most part. If sod makes a high percentage first serves pressure is going to be on the Rafa serve. Problem isRafa has been serving one breakable game every set which will also include a double fault. If Sod holds vi a high first serve % and manges to take advantage of that one weak rafa service game per set , Soda has a great chance.

shocked that Sod-Ferre game was so close 7-5 in the fifth. I saw first few games of sod blowing ferrer of the court and breaking him and I thought it would be a washout and didnt care about it.

Well done Ferrer. Rafa get inspired by your buddy and stop creating too much drama.

Manequin75
06-28-2010, 09:51 PM
rafa should get some tips on playing soda from Ferrer tonight.

ORGASMATRON
06-28-2010, 09:55 PM
This will be fierce:hearts:. One of these bitches will be OVA!

:silly::retard:

RIboy
06-28-2010, 09:56 PM
no chance for Rafa, Robin in 3

Humerus
06-28-2010, 10:03 PM
:silly::retard:

Y'all just gelis, hatah!

Everko
06-28-2010, 10:06 PM
Soderfluking is still scarred from his latest shredding at the hands of Rafa, he will lose again

tyruk14
06-28-2010, 10:07 PM
Heart: Sod. Head: Mugboar.

Nadal in four, but I'd love Soder to prove me wrong.

tealeaves
06-28-2010, 10:07 PM
Please soderling in 5

ossie
06-28-2010, 10:28 PM
the grass will take away sods time to hit those huge shots, its his serve thats going to win him the match while its the return of serve thats going to win it for rafa because rafa will take the points in the rallies

Certinfy
06-28-2010, 10:29 PM
Soderling in 4. No way should he lose this.

Geo
06-28-2010, 10:31 PM
If Soderling serves and returns well he's got this :shrug: it's just a question of if he can keep it up for the whole match :p

ORGASMATRON
06-28-2010, 10:41 PM
i think sod just had a bad day against ferrer or its a bad match up. he likes to play against nadal on faster surfaces.

Dyraise
06-28-2010, 10:41 PM
Nadal in three. If Soda plays perfect, Rafa in four.

Orka_n
06-28-2010, 10:50 PM
Nadal in three. If Soda plays perfect, Rafa in four.If Soderling plays perfect, he'll win in straights. :o

I believe it'll go to 5, though, with Soderling as the winner hopefully.

born_on_clay
06-28-2010, 10:53 PM
Nadal in 3 maybe 4

The Pro
06-28-2010, 10:56 PM
Take this down. Nadal's pissed off this year and Toad is next in line. Rafa will crush him. BE AFRAID.

Remember I told you. ;)

Topspin Forehand
06-28-2010, 10:57 PM
what makes you say that? which matches were you watching today?
Courts are drying and the sand underneath the grass is coming through slowly. The courts will be less predictable on the bounce but play slower overall. You can slide now unlike the first week when the grass was still slick. No one is slipping now.

Jagermeister
06-28-2010, 10:57 PM
Hopefully Nadal will prevail against the lumbering toolbag.

ORGASMATRON
06-28-2010, 10:59 PM
if petzschner and haase took nadal to 5 soderling will crush nadal.

Topspin Forehand
06-28-2010, 11:00 PM
if petzschner and haase took nadal to 5 soderling will crush nadal.
Luckily, Nadal's knee is feeling better again. That is key in this matchup. Soderling only beats Nadal when Nadal is injured.

rocketassist
06-28-2010, 11:01 PM
Luckily, Nadal's knee is feeling better again. That is key in this matchup. Soderling only beats Nadal when Nadal is injured.

Even if RG had any connection to the injury, TMC 09 didn't. :wavey:

ORGASMATRON
06-28-2010, 11:02 PM
Luckily, Nadal's knee is feeling better again. That is key in this matchup. Soderling only beats Nadal when Nadal is injured.

oh yeah, how could i forget. nadal only loses when hes injured. nice one tard.

ps. so you admit kneedal was faking against petz?

Topspin Forehand
06-28-2010, 11:03 PM
Even if RG had any connection to the injury, TMC 09 didn't. :wavey:
It did according to Darren Cahill.

rocketassist
06-28-2010, 11:03 PM
It did according to Darren Cahill.

And Darren Cahill is the gospel round here?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/8375032.stm

Topspin Forehand
06-28-2010, 11:05 PM
And Darren Cahill is the gospel round here?
He was watching Nadal practice and Nadal was being very cautious.

Andi-M
06-28-2010, 11:05 PM
The Sod in 4. Although he would be the trickier player for Murray should he reach the sf's so not sure who to support but i think sods power will prevail over Nadal as he is not on top of his game right now.

Gladiator
06-28-2010, 11:08 PM
RAFAEL NADAL [1] in 3

Sophocles
06-28-2010, 11:11 PM
The match is on Soderling's racquet. If he plays well, he'll win in 4. If he doesn't, he'll lose in 3 or 4.

Veronique
06-28-2010, 11:47 PM
if petzschner and haase took nadal to 5 soderling will crush nadal.

Following that logic, if Ferrer took Soderling to 5 sets, then Nadal....... Fortunately that's not how things work. It's about match-ups and the form and conditions on the day.

ORGASMATRON
06-28-2010, 11:56 PM
Following that logic, if Ferrer took Soderling to 5 sets, then Nadal....... Fortunately that's not how things work. It's about match-ups and the form and conditions on the day.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_edJU4TzoBT4/SrffIV7PDkI/AAAAAAAAB6Q/lAlRTrMDA-Y/s200/monkey.png

Orka_n
06-29-2010, 12:03 AM
Luckily, Nadal's knee is feeling better again. That is key in this matchup. Soderling only beats Nadal when Nadal is injured.Actually, according to Nadulltard logic, no one beats Nadal unless Nadal is injured. This statement is of course absurd and retarded. Soderling can beat a healthy Nadal on any surface if he's at his best, and this match is on grass. Robin's got a great shot here.
Plus, there was no such thing as Nadal feeling the knee hurting against Petz. That injury was so obviously fake it's not even funny. The post-match interviews only confirms it. "It's not so bad, don't worry about it, no?" :o

M4RC
06-29-2010, 01:01 AM
The match is on Soderling's racquet. If he plays well, he'll win in 4. If he doesn't, he'll lose in 3 or 4.

Yeah, it was on Soderling's racquet on clay too. The thing is that Soderling and his racquet got demoslished and packed off the court.

Actually, according to Nadulltard logic, no one beats Nadal unless Nadal is injured. This statement is of course absurd and retarded. Soderling can beat a healthy Nadal on any surface if he's at his best, and this match is on grass. Robin's got a great shot here.
Plus, there was no such thing as Nadal feeling the knee hurting against Petz. That injury was so obviously fake it's not even funny. The post-match interviews only confirms it. "It's not so bad, don't worry about it, no?" :o

Of course. Undenyable and absolutely.

Topspin Forehand
06-29-2010, 01:24 AM
Yeah, it was on Soderling's racquet on clay too. The thing is that Soderling and his racquet got demoslished and packed off the court.



Of course. Undenyable and absolutely.
Owned. :worship:

jackieglover
06-29-2010, 01:29 AM
Actually think Robin is going to win this one.

@Sweet Cleopatra
06-29-2010, 01:54 AM
Scared!! hope Rafa doesn't lose bad.

Sunset of Age
06-29-2010, 01:55 AM
It will depend on which Sod will enter the court. Based on his performance today, I'd say Nadal has the better odds to win this, but then again, Sod might well recover and find back his best form. Not counting on it, based on the trouble he had with Ferrer today, who in fact is a ' Poor Man's Rafa' on grass.

Nadal in four.

helloicanseeu
06-29-2010, 01:55 AM
Actually think Robin is going to win this one.

could go either way, but it'll sure be a long match....good to watch :cool:

Johnny Groove
06-29-2010, 02:01 AM
It all depends on how Soderling serves. If he serves out of his mind, he's got a shot.

If he serves anything lower than 60%, Nadal will win.

Clay Death
06-29-2010, 02:11 AM
It all depends on how Soderling serves. If he serves out of his mind, he's got a shot.

If he serves anything lower than 60%, Nadal will win.

negative. it doesnt matter what soderling does or what he has to do.

all clay warrior has to do is play his game and snatch the few critical points.

clay warrior in straight sets or 4 sets at best.

Clay Death
06-29-2010, 02:12 AM
It will depend on which Sod will enter the court. Based on his performance today, I'd say Nadal has the better odds to win this, but then again, Sod might well recover and find back his best form. Not counting on it, based on the trouble he had with Ferrer today, who in fact is a ' Poor Man's Rafa' on grass.

Nadal in four.



affirmative old sport. high priest of death in straight sets or 4 sets at best.

Art&Soul
06-29-2010, 02:16 AM
All depends on Soderking ;)

MacTheKnife
06-29-2010, 02:19 AM
This match is squarely on soderling's racquet.. If he serves big and has that BH DLT working he should take this. If he's working off second serves and bombs on the winner/UE ratio, it's a short day for the toad..

malisha
06-29-2010, 02:23 AM
Nadal

Murray will fancy him to win as well

Topspin Forehand
06-29-2010, 02:35 AM
This match lies squarely on Nadal's knees. If they are working well, there's nothing Soderling can do.

Clay Death
06-29-2010, 02:42 AM
This match is squarely on soderling's racquet.. If he serves big and has that BH DLT working he should take this. If he's working off second serves and bombs on the winner/UE ratio, it's a short day for the toad..



negative old sport.

the burden of proof is on soderling`s shoulders, not on nadal`s.

one is as superior to the other as the living are to the dead. its nadal who has 7 slams on all surfaces. its nadal who is the game`s greatest player.

translation: clay warrior in straight sets of 4 at best.

you can make book on it.

and who the hell is soderling again?

Clay Death
06-29-2010, 02:43 AM
This match lies squarely on Nadal's knees. If they are working well, there's nothing Soderling can do.



by far the best post of the month.

there is absolutely nothing sodelring can do except play reckless, go for broke tennis.

Manequin75
06-29-2010, 03:00 AM
It will depend on which Sod will enter the court. Based on his performance today, I'd say Nadal has the better odds to win this, but then again, Sod might well recover and find back his best form. Not counting on it, based on the trouble he had with Ferrer today, who in fact is a ' Poor Man's Rafa' on grass.

Nadal in four.

great to see the belief in fedal coming back ;) by the way if destiny doesnt want any of the fedal to win this year i dont mind lu ;) So I guess for this tournament i am a supporter of FEDALU lol....better lu then murray :)

federernadalfan
06-29-2010, 03:00 AM
hopefully rafa in three so he could be fresh enough for a muzza matchup

MacTheKnife
06-29-2010, 03:01 AM
negative old sport.

the burden of proof is on soderling`s shoulders, not on nadal`s.

one is as superior to the other as the living are to the dead. its nadal who has 7 slams on all surfaces. its nadal who is the game`s greatest player.

translation: clay warrior in straight sets of 4 at best.

you can make book on it.

and who the hell is soderling again?

:lol: this one's not on nadal's racquet. You best hope he is not discounting soderling like you are. ;)

abraxas21
06-29-2010, 03:04 AM
one is as superior to the other as the living are to the dead.

:worship: funny stuff.

Clay Death
06-29-2010, 03:07 AM
:lol: this one's not on nadal's racquet. You best hope he is not discounting soderling like you are. ;)

actually it is on nadal`s knees. if the knees are better then soderling is toast.

you can save this post. soderling is toast even if the knees are not well and 100%.

again why be so quick to compare an all time great to basically a nobody old sport?

you know what i call that? it is wishful thinking.

the federereeeeeeeeesians all over the planet are on their knees hoping and praying that somehow somebody can take out the clay warrior. it is not rocket science. i can see that pretty clearly.

well guess what? he is not going down that easy.

if ferru with zero weapons other than some speed and movement can push soderling to 5 then you know bloody
well what nadal can do it him.

again, people are free to save this post. i give soderling ZERO chance to win this match.

if any player retires due to injury then all bets are off obviously.

emotion
06-29-2010, 03:09 AM
Nadal's knees may be slightly hurt, but not what he's making it out to be.
Soderling did suck today though. It'll be tough

Clay Death
06-29-2010, 03:13 AM
dont get me wrong. i have come to like soderling over time. he is showing proper respect for the game`s greatest players and he talks more intelligently and responsibly these days.


and he has made great strides in his game. but to compare him to fed or nadal is sheer madness.

Quadruple Tree
06-29-2010, 03:31 AM
It's weird how Nadal is struggling with injuries nearly every year from January to April and then again from July to December. It's as if he's not dominant on surfaces other than clay and there are more players who are able to give him trouble. Just imagine what he could accomplish if he stayed healthy. 20 Slams wouldn't be out of the question.

HKz
06-29-2010, 03:55 AM
actually it is on nadal`s knees. if the knees are better then soderling is toast.

you can save this post. soderling is toast even if the knees are not well and 100%.

again why be so quick to compare an all time great to basically a nobody old sport?

you know what i call that? it is wishful thinking.

the federereeeeeeeeesians all over the planet are on their knees hoping and praying that somehow somebody can take out the clay warrior. it is not rocket science. i can see that pretty clearly.

well guess what? he is not going down that easy.

if ferru with zero weapons other than some speed and movement can push soderling to 5 then you know bloody
well what nadal can do it him.

again, people are free to save this post. i give soderling ZERO chance to win this match.

if any player retires due to injury then all bets are off obviously.

Wow just leave already.

bayvalle
06-29-2010, 04:23 AM
All depends on Soderking ;)

Based on the law of averages, Soderling will win. But as far as motivations are concerned, I see that Nadal has more than what Robin possibly has. For one, Nadal is in the process of climbing up the ladder of most number of GS titles won (he now has 7). If Rafa wins Wimbledon and, afterwards, the US Open, he will have 9GS titles by yearend, just 5 to go to equal Sampras' 14.

For another, Rafa might also be setting the stage for targetting a calendar slam next year. If Fed goes zero next year, it is just a matter of time before Nadal begins compiling more GS titles. This however will be a tall order for the Mallorca native since Soderling and company 'will' not allow such total domination by one player (like what Fed did the last 4 or 5 years).

The current objective for Nadal, I believe, is to get as much GS titles as he can and while he can, with or without Uncle Tony's on-court coaching (which, from all angles, was illegal and which should be resolved by the organizers as soon as possible). As for Soderling, I see him just buying his time, a not-in-a-hurry guy. Nadal in 3.

coonster14
06-29-2010, 04:46 AM
rafael nadal in 4!

osmonde
06-29-2010, 05:08 AM
Nadal reads Soderling's services...Sod does not.
Nadal is constructing points with strategy...Sod does not.
Nadal can pick-up very low balls, even Roddick after practicing with him said so... Sod has problems with that
I saw most of the game today: Ferrer gave him trouble and Sod was very lucky to win, he said so.
Ferrer is not a good server, but he returns like hell, and sustains long exchanges. Soderling lacks of accuracy on a long period.
So I would put Nadal in 3, maybe 4. mostly because of his shots'accuracy and his speed on court.

HarryMan
06-29-2010, 05:14 AM
This one will be epic. Nadal is not going to give Soderling anything easy. Soderling will have to serve big, and hit his trademark forehands and backhands to win this match.

Very tough to predict but this one should be great if Soderling plays great tennis. Nadal will surely be there at his very best.

dabeast
06-29-2010, 06:36 AM
hopefully Robin. in 4 pls.

ZakMcCrack
06-29-2010, 07:32 AM
This match lies squarely on Nadal's knees. If they are working well, there's nothing Soderling can do.

by far the best post of the month.

there is absolutely nothing sodelring can do except play reckless, go for broke tennis.


Indeed, what a truly unprecedented and groundbreaking proposition - wouldn't you agree, Bubo?

http://www.d2.dion.ne.jp/~takanomo/LOVELOG_IMG/bubo01.jpg

NADALbULLS
06-29-2010, 08:00 AM
Nadal probably in straight sets over Soderling but I'll be praying that it goes to 5 sets after the disappointingly one-sided Math match, though at least the Math match allowed Nadal to hit baseline rallies for a change with his trademark 36 winners 9 unforced errors.

ossie
06-29-2010, 08:20 AM
rafa will have a much easier time against sod than he had against petzschner, sod will have to be serving pretty well if he wants to hit as many aces as petz did and he doesnt have the backhand (slice) petz had which was pretty effective

Guille.
06-29-2010, 08:26 AM
Get your revenge Robin:sobbing:

henke007
06-29-2010, 08:36 AM
Hope that Robin serves big and with a high first serve and 2nd serve speed and keeps the UE down but he has to go for the lines against Rafa!!

Anyway i'm confident in another top 10 loss for Nadull before the finals anyway!!

NADALbULLS
06-29-2010, 08:50 AM
I didn't see a top 10 loss for Nadal at RG, and Soderling is actually a better player on clay than grass.

ossie
06-29-2010, 09:13 AM
Get your revenge Robin:sobbing:its gonna be a fun rematch :crazy:

ORGASMATRON
06-29-2010, 09:39 AM
Indeed, what a truly unprecedented and groundbreaking proposition - wouldn't you agree, Bubo?

http://www.d2.dion.ne.jp/~takanomo/LOVELOG_IMG/bubo01.jpg

:haha::haha::haha:

ImmzB
06-29-2010, 10:22 AM
Nadal in 3

ShotmaKer
06-29-2010, 10:42 AM
So just like last year, Soderling runs into the FO winner to whom he had lost in straights in the final, at Wimbledon. Last year he lost his Wimbledon match against the then FO winner in straights. That was in the R16 though, this time round it's a QF.

NADALbULLS
06-29-2010, 10:42 AM
I think Soderling was subconsciously trying to lose to Ferrer because he really doesn't want to face Nadal again.

Rafa#Uno:-)
06-29-2010, 10:51 AM
:devil::):rolleyes::eek:

the match of the tournament so far maybe.....

söderling is hot but so are rafa

both are winners but rafa is better

Norman says söderling hits too hard for rafa.
Well prove it now!!!

Ferrer is not as good as rafa and Robin had problems with Ferrer.
Then what a problem he will have with Rafa.

Sophocles
06-29-2010, 10:52 AM
Yeah, it was on Soderling's racquet on clay too. The thing is that Soderling and his racquet got demoslished and packed off the court.

Er, yes, Soderling played shit. Now come back after your brain transplant & tell me how that shows the match wasn't on his racquet.

Rafa#Uno:-)
06-29-2010, 10:55 AM
Nadal reads Soderling's services...Sod does not.
Nadal is constructing points with strategy...Sod does not.
Nadal can pick-up very low balls, even Roddick after practicing with him said so... Sod has problems with that
I saw most of the game today: Ferrer gave him trouble and Sod was very lucky to win, he said so.
Ferrer is not a good server, but he returns like hell, and sustains long exchanges. Soderling lacks of accuracy on a long period.
So I would put Nadal in 3, maybe 4. mostly because of his shots'accuracy and his speed on court.

agree :) rafa is a hell of competitior and robin will have problems with all balls coming back....
and rafa will know he cant be short in the court....:eek::devil:

big match

NADALbULLS
06-29-2010, 10:58 AM
Soderling can't win a set unless he gets a high% of first serves in, he needs to up his game. Nadal doesn't have to change his game, he's been playing great against big servers anyway, even when they get over 80% of 1st serves in. Also Nadal is going to be really confident because of the French Open Final. You can say Soderling is more dangerous on grass, but it'd be hard to prove considering he's made 2 straight French Open Finals.

Foxy
06-29-2010, 10:58 AM
Soda lacks variety. Nowadays it is difficult to beat Rafa without using dropshots and coming to the net occasionally. 10-20% serve and volley is absolutely compulsory in order to keep the pressure over Rafa. None of these things will implement Soda in his gameplan.

That said the match will depend on Rafa's ROS and knees.

Commander Data
06-29-2010, 11:34 AM
If Nadal beats Sod again, thata would impress me. We should then just accept that he has the Söderling-issue sorted out.

Nolby
06-29-2010, 11:35 AM
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Corey Feldman
06-29-2010, 11:51 AM
That said the match will depend on Rafa's ROS and knees.:lol: of course

how could any NadaL match not

paseo
06-29-2010, 11:59 AM
I've been waiting for this encounter since the first day. I hope the tennis will be great. Bring it on!!!

green25814
06-29-2010, 12:03 PM
Probably Rafa.

green25814
06-29-2010, 12:04 PM
Soderling can't win a set unless he gets a high% of first serves in, he needs to up his game. Nadal doesn't have to change his game, he's been playing great against big servers anyway, even when they get over 80% of 1st serves in. Also Nadal is going to be really confident because of the French Open Final. You can say Soderling is more dangerous on grass, but it'd be hard to prove considering he's made 2 straight French Open Finals.

Its not about Soderling being more dangerous on grass, its about nadal being much less effective on grass.

NADALbULLS
06-29-2010, 12:15 PM
Its not about Soderling being more dangerous on grass, its about nadal being much less effective on grass.

Soderling doesn't move well on grass at all compared to how he moves on clay. Nadal is the same on clay and grass, just that the big servers benefit from grass so Nadal loses sets at Wimbledon (but he still makes the Wimbledon Final every year). Nadal's serve is far better on grass than it is on clay that is for sure. Soderling can't afford to go for broke on every baseline shot, because he knows Nadal is going to win free points on serve. Harder for Soderling to break Nadal on grass than it is on clay. Whereas I wouldn't say Nadal struggles to break Soderling's serve on grass. Nadal has been earning a plethora of breakpoints on guys like Petz and Haase even though he didn't read their serves. He reads Soderling's serve better whereas, so he will have even more success on the Soderling serve. Plus Soderling tends not to get his first serve in at a high% compared to Petz and Haase (when they played Nadal).

FlameOn
06-29-2010, 12:16 PM
Soderling in 4.

MacTheKnife
06-29-2010, 12:22 PM
Er, yes, Soderling played shit. Now come back after your brain transplant & tell me how that shows the match wasn't on his racquet.

For some reason nadal fans appear insulted when people say the match in on soderling's racquet. It's like they can't or don't want to admit that.

It's not rocket science, the match is on soderling's racquet in almost every match he plays. He is a top 10 player and when he is right on top of his game he has the ability to beat anyone.
Yes, even nadal and federer. He had beaten both of them IN slams.
He plays high risk, high reward tennis and when on, he dictates play the majority of the time in his matches.

Will the guy every be in the GOAT discussion, of course not, but he deserves some respect as the dangerous opponent that he is..

NADALbULLS
06-29-2010, 12:42 PM
For some reason nadal fans appear insulted when people say the match in on soderling's racquet. It's like they can't or don't want to admit that.

It's not rocket science, the match is on soderling's racquet in almost every match he plays. He is a top 10 player and when he is right on top of his game he has the ability to beat anyone.
Yes, even nadal and federer. He had beaten both of them IN slams.
He plays high risk, high reward tennis and when on, he dictates play the majority of the time in his matches.

Will the guy every be in the GOAT discussion, of course not, but he deserves some respect as the dangerous opponent that he is..

Not at all true. Soderling needed a tie-break in the 4th set to beat a very weak Nadal (poor movement and no depth, because he truly played the entire clay season with painkillers and major tendonitis pain). Even that Nadal may well have won the 5th set had he won that tie-breaker. And that was Soderling at his best, and on his very best surface.

Sophocles
06-29-2010, 12:48 PM
For some reason nadal fans appear insulted when people say the match in on soderling's racquet. It's like they can't or don't want to admit that.

It's not rocket science, the match is on soderling's racquet in almost every match he plays. He is a top 10 player and when he is right on top of his game he has the ability to beat anyone.
Yes, even nadal and federer. He had beaten both of them IN slams.
He plays high risk, high reward tennis and when on, he dictates play the majority of the time in his matches.

Will the guy every be in the GOAT discussion, of course not, but he deserves some respect as the dangerous opponent that he is..

I guess the problem is that Rafatards don't understand tennis. Saying the match is on Soderling's racquet is NOT the same as saying he's a better player. Of course he's not. But when he's at his best, he can blow anyone off the court, with the possible exception of peak (2004-7) Federer. And perhaps peak Nadal on clay.

Il Primo Uomo
06-29-2010, 12:49 PM
I know it's gonna be a HOT match! I think Rafa's got the edge.

Priam
06-29-2010, 01:40 PM
Hopefully Sod isn't too affected by his medical problems from last match. In the FO final, the Berdy match before really took a lot out of him.

Nadal in 4 probably.

Orka_n
06-29-2010, 02:04 PM
Yeah, it was on Soderling's racquet on clay too. The thing is that Soderling and his racquet got demoslished and packed off the court.Every sane tennis fan on the planet saw that Soderling self-destructed. He does that sometimes, it happens when you have a game that is high-risk. Of course, Nadal makes it more difficult for Soderling because he gets more balls back into play, but it's still Soderling that's making the UEs (or winners).

Owned. :worship::haha:

Not at all true. Soderling needed a tie-break in the 4th set to beat a very weak Nadal (poor movement and no depth, because he truly played the entire clay season with painkillers and major tendonitis pain). Even that Nadal may well have won the 5th set had he won that tie-breaker. And that was Soderling at his best, and on his very best surface.Just wow. Firstly, clay is NADAL'S very best surface, Robin doesn't really care which surface it is (though he's obviously pretty good on clay). Soderling destroyed Nadal in the tour finals too, but Nadaltards tend to forget that. Secondly, have you watched that RG match? Nadal might have been in pain, but he was moving fine. The reason he played short was because Soderling put pressure on him almost all the time. Thirdly, Soderling played even better against Federer in this year's FO than he did against Nadal in 09, so that wasn't a once in a lifetime match from Robin. And he can do it again.

I don't really understand what the problem is for the Nadalfans. Just because Soderling won't win 7 slams, that means he has 0 chance of winning when he plays against a 7-time champion? This is retarded in every possible way. Soderling is soon a top 5-player, and he's a bad match-up for Nadal. In tennis, everyone can lose. It doesn't matter how many slam titles you've won before, it's a man vs. man sport, and that's why I love it.

allpro
06-29-2010, 02:58 PM
this is the one we've all been waiting for and i fully expect toad to offer more resistance than at rg. anything short of an EPIC five setter and i'll be sorely disappointed.

el conquistador en cinco http://www.cosgan.de/images/midi/froehlich/h020.gif

swebright
06-29-2010, 03:03 PM
Rafa no longer has the injury; so be ware.

I think he just want to beat the heck out of Robin.

l_mac
06-29-2010, 03:31 PM
edit: not worth it. This l_mac is wiser.

My own personal feeling is that Rafa won't win this match tomorrow. He hasn't played well at all this tournament, and Soderling has been playing incredibly well (apart from yesterday's atempted meltdown vs Ferrer) Sod's form >>> Rafa's form currently. But neither result will surprise me, it's the only QF without a clear favourite.

Loving these new Rafa "fans". What a marvellous addition to General Messages!

Clay Death
06-29-2010, 04:05 PM
Soda lacks variety. Nowadays it is difficult to beat Rafa without using dropshots and coming to the net occasionally. 10-20% serve and volley is absolutely compulsory in order to keep the pressure over Rafa. None of these things will implement Soda in his gameplan.

That said the match will depend on Rafa's ROS and knees.

affirmative. it is far safer to say that the match is on clay warrior`s racquet. that is what an informed tennis insider would say.

to say that the match is on sodelring`s racquet is total and reckless madness. it is wishful thinking for the federereeeeeeesians and we have honorable federereeeeeeeeesians here as well.

they are all terrified of nadal and they should be.

it is really quite amusing. i am laughing my ass off.

it does matter who is on the other side of the net. it is not some average joe blow who is standing across the net from you. its nadal.

that alone changes a lot of things. give soderling a set at best. i dont even think nadal is going to allow that one set unless soderling serves at 90% in the first set.

there is no way at all he can serve his way to a win in a 5 set match against a relatively healthy and fit nadal.

you dont have to break sodelring every single game. you take care of your own serve and you take advantage of just a couple or 3 break point opportunities.

tennis is all about a few critical points and nobody plays them better that guys like fed and the clay warrior.

M4RC
06-29-2010, 04:26 PM
:worship: funny stuff.

Funny or not, it is a fact, not an opinion. You just have to compare both careers, records and stats on ALL SURFACES.

Oh, and Nadal is the only player on tour who is not a pigeon of any other player and the only player who has not a gap of -2 in his H2H against any other player (just -1 against Davy and I don't know who else, if any) Do you know what those stats mean? Those stats mean that Nadal is probably one of the three toughest players to beat, ever. Do you think he is gonna lose THAT easy? :haha:

allpro
06-29-2010, 04:29 PM
Sod's form >>> Rafa's form currently.

did you watch yesterday's matches? :confused:

My own personal feeling is that Rafa won't win this match tomorrow.

traitor! :mad:


they are all terrified of nadal and they should be.

there is no way at all he can serve his way to a win in a 5 set match....

tennis is all about a few critical points and nobody plays them better that guys like fed and the clay warrior.

well said http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss7/highdudester/congrats.gif

l_mac
06-29-2010, 04:30 PM
did you watch yesterday's matches? :confused:




Yes. :confused:

Action Jackson
06-29-2010, 04:33 PM
It's weird how Nadal is struggling with injuries nearly every year from January to April and then again from July to December. It's as if he's not dominant on surfaces other than clay and there are more players who are able to give him trouble. Just imagine what he could accomplish if he stayed healthy. 20 Slams wouldn't be out of the question.

Conservative Slam estimate there.

Foxy
06-29-2010, 04:47 PM
affirmative. it is far safer to say that the match is on clay warrior`s racquet. that is what an informed tennis insider would say.

to say that the match is on sodelring`s racquet is total and reckless madness. it is wishful thinking for the federereeeeeeesians and we have honorable federereeeeeeeeesians here as well.

they are all terrified of nadal and they should be.

it is really quite amusing. i am laughing my ass off.

it does matter who is on the other side of the net. it is not some average joe blow who is standing across the net from you. its nadal.

that alone changes a lot of things. give soderling a set at best. i dont even think nadal is going to allow that one set unless soderling serves at 90% in the first set.

there is no way at all he can serve his way to a win in a 5 set match against a relatively healthy and fit nadal.

you dont have to break sodelring every single game. you take care of your own serve and you take advantage of just a couple or 3 break point opportunities.

tennis is all about a few critical points and nobody plays them better that guys like fed and the clay warrior.

What I've learned for the last 5 years regarding Rafa's injuries is that his condition turns out to be always worse than he describes. He is hiding quite a few details almost every time. So no, I don't think he is relatively healthy this time, but hopefully he will be for the masters series in US and the US Open.

Clay Death
06-29-2010, 05:06 PM
Funny or not, it is a fact, not an opinion. You just have to compare both careers, records and stats on ALL SURFACES.

Oh, and Nadal is the only player on tour who is not a pigeon of any other player and the only player who has not a gap of -2 in his H2H against any other player (just -1 against Davy and I don't know who else, if any) Do you know what those stats mean? Those stats mean that Nadal is probably one of the three toughest players to beat, ever. Do you think he is gonna lose THAT easy? :haha:

ultra affirmative M4RC.

well said old sport.

Clay Death
06-29-2010, 05:07 PM
What I've learned for the last 5 years regarding Rafa's injuries is that his condition turns out to be always worse than he describes. He is hiding quite a few details almost every time. So no, I don't think he is relatively healthy this time, but hopefully he will be for the masters series in US and the US Open.



agreed. most warriors do not really give too many details of their injuries away to their adversaries.

we all know he plays with a great deal of pain.

Mechlan
06-29-2010, 05:12 PM
Will depend on day form. They both know what they need to do to win.

rocketassist
06-29-2010, 05:18 PM
Least we know the injury excuse is lined up should he lose.

Sophocles
06-29-2010, 06:08 PM
affirmative. it is far safer to say that the match is on clay warrior`s racquet. that is what an informed tennis insider would say.

to say that the match is on sodelring`s racquet is total and reckless madness. it is wishful thinking for the federereeeeeeesians and we have honorable federereeeeeeeeesians here as well.

they are all terrified of nadal and they should be.

it is really quite amusing. i am laughing my ass off.

it does matter who is on the other side of the net. it is not some average joe blow who is standing across the net from you. its nadal.

that alone changes a lot of things. give soderling a set at best. i dont even think nadal is going to allow that one set unless soderling serves at 90% in the first set.

there is no way at all he can serve his way to a win in a 5 set match against a relatively healthy and fit nadal.

you dont have to break sodelring every single game. you take care of your own serve and you take advantage of just a couple or 3 break point opportunities.

tennis is all about a few critical points and nobody plays them better that guys like fed and the clay warrior.

Oh come on C.D., we all know Nadal is a better player than Soderling overall, & a better player on grass - their respective records leave no doubt about that - AND that he's mentally stronger as well. But we also know Nadal is vulnerable to tall hard flat hitters with double-handed backhands, more so on hard courts perhaps, but on other surfaces to some extent as well. Soderling hits the ball harder than anybody else, & if he has one of his best days, he beats anybody, except, as I said, peak Federer & peak Nadal on clay. In matches against Nadal, he is the aggressor. If he doesn't miss, he wins, however many balls Nadal makes him hit. That's what I mean when I say the match is on his racquet. Of course, he's more likely to miss against a great defender such as Nadal, but if he consistently hits the lines, he will wear down Rafa rather than vice versa. Admittedly that's a big if, judging by his last match, but judging by their matches in the tournament as a whole, you could be forgiven for agreeing with l_mac that Soderling's in better form.

ORGASMATRON
06-29-2010, 06:19 PM
agreed. most warriors do not really give too many details of their injuries away to their adversaries.

we all know he plays with a great deal of pain.

if this is true then federer is a much bigger warrior than nadal.

ORGASMATRON
06-29-2010, 06:27 PM
Oh come on C.D., we all know Nadal is a better player than Soderling overall, & a better player on grass - their respective records leave no doubt about that - AND that he's mentally stronger as well. But we also know Nadal is vulnerable to tall hard flat hitters with double-handed backhands, more so on hard courts perhaps, but on other surfaces to some extent as well. Soderling hits the ball harder than anybody else, & if he has one of his best days, he beats anybody, except, as I said, peak Federer & peak Nadal on clay. In matches against Nadal, he is the aggressor. If he doesn't miss, he wins, however many balls Nadal makes him hit. That's what I mean when I say the match is on his racquet. Of course, he's more likely to miss against a great defender such as Nadal, but if he consistently hits the lines, he will wear down Rafa rather than vice versa. Admittedly that's a big if, judging by his last match, but judging by their matches in the tournament as a whole, you could be forgiven for agreeing with l_mac that Soderling's in better form.

clay death is much to concerned with the federeeeeeeeeeeesians(:o) to allow for any clear thinking. he is filled with hate for those who love beauty and fair play as opposed to those who like gamesmanship and ugly pusher tennis.

its pretty obvious that this is close if soderling plays his best, and i agree totally with your viewpoint. nadal has shown time and time again that he is vulnerable to hard, flat hitting. we need to look no further than the last two rounds where he could hardly beat players of the caliber of haase and petz. therefor if soderling serves big and is on from the back of the court nadal is certainly in trouble.

you cant compare guys like petz and haase with soderling. soderling is better than them at flat hitting and he is more experienced. he wont cave in like those other tow boys when he goes up two sets to one. he will push home the advantage. you can be certain of that.

Edith09
06-29-2010, 06:40 PM
It´s Robin time. Soda wins in 4 sets.

NADALbULLS
06-29-2010, 06:49 PM
That would be funny if Nadal THUMPS Soderling like he's a loser, that'd be funny to watch, I really like this match-up it should be great to record on dvd. I have only recorded GS Finals so far though, but I might make an exception this time.

Orka_n
06-29-2010, 07:00 PM
I give you a classic:

vUuVU03lY1c

Nadal's face at 1:02 :haha:

M4RC
06-29-2010, 07:07 PM
Nadal's motion of serve has definitely improved.

Start da Game
06-29-2010, 07:14 PM
I give you a classic:

vUuVU03lY1c

Nadal's face at 1:02 :haha:

that is all what left for you to feel better after the french final bashing.......

nadal to win it in 4 easy sets.......

Clay Death
06-29-2010, 07:18 PM
Oh come on C.D., we all know Nadal is a better player than Soderling overall, & a better player on grass - their respective records leave no doubt about that - AND that he's mentally stronger as well. But we also know Nadal is vulnerable to tall hard flat hitters with double-handed backhands, more so on hard courts perhaps, but on other surfaces to some extent as well. Soderling hits the ball harder than anybody else, & if he has one of his best days, he beats anybody, except, as I said, peak Federer & peak Nadal on clay. In matches against Nadal, he is the aggressor. If he doesn't miss, he wins, however many balls Nadal makes him hit. That's what I mean when I say the match is on his racquet. Of course, he's more likely to miss against a great defender such as Nadal, but if he consistently hits the lines, he will wear down Rafa rather than vice versa. Admittedly that's a big if, judging by his last match, but judging by their matches in the tournament as a whole, you could be forgiven for agreeing with l_mac that Soderling's in better form.


good post sophocles.

i still maintain that soderling is not going to given much of a chance in this match.

what you are saying does come with a "big if" attatched to it by your own admission.

there is as you know the concept of central tendency. a soderling win would constitute an outlier of the highest order and that is why it is so unlikely.

how often can one really expect lesser pros to beat guys like fed and nadal at slams in the best of 5 sets foremats these days anyway?

soderling said a few weeks ago that clay is his best surface. so suddenly grass is not going to be his best surface. he is not the mover the top guys like fed, nadal, and djokovic are.

essentially soderling has no choice but to go for broke. one just has to play his game while the other has to take most of the risks. that does not work on the average against somebody like clay warrior in the best of 5 sets match.

you can hit 85 winners against him or 95 as verdasco did at Oz in 2008. it is just not good enough. nadal finds a way to win the critical points.

accordingly, soderling will have to play a match of his life for 5 sets to win.

NADALbULLS
06-29-2010, 07:23 PM
LOL watching that youtube, there is no doubt, Nadal will never lose motivation in this match-up, let alone the fact Soderling beat him at RG! Soderling must represent SATAN to Nadal.

Corey Feldman
06-29-2010, 07:27 PM
:lol: Nadal in that match

shaking his head coz Soderling changed the racquet, not like he's one to ever hold up play is he

Start da Game
06-29-2010, 07:31 PM
For some reason nadal fans appear insulted when people say the match in on soderling's racquet. It's like they can't or don't want to admit that.

It's not rocket science, the match is on soderling's racquet in almost every match he plays. He is a top 10 player and when he is right on top of his game he has the ability to beat anyone.
Yes, even nadal and federer. He had beaten both of them IN slams.
He plays high risk, high reward tennis and when on, he dictates play the majority of the time in his matches.

Will the guy every be in the GOAT discussion, of course not, but he deserves some respect as the dangerous opponent that he is..

for some reason, you seem to come out and argue only when nadal fans put forward their point and you never say a word when innumerable fedtards talk all kinds of bullshit.......i don't know how a so called neutral fan like you is doing this........

soderling doesn't have a prayer on any surface when nadal starts playing on his own terms........he crushed him on the new year day on one of the fastest hardcourts and he crushed him in the french final on clay........going to be same story tomorrow if rafa is not bothered too much by the pain.......

MrChopin
06-29-2010, 07:34 PM
that is all what left for you to feel better after the french final bashing.......

nadal to win it in 4 easy sets.......


And this (highlight at 3:20):

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And this (highlight at 7:20):

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Commander Data
06-29-2010, 07:38 PM
for some reason, you seem to come out and argue only when nadal fans put forward their point and you never say a word when innumerable fedtards talk all kinds of bullshit.......i don't know how a so called neutral fan like you is doing this........

soderling doesn't have a prayer on any surface when nadal starts playing on his own terms........he crushed him on the new year day on one of the fastest hardcourts and he crushed him in the french final on clay........going to be same story tomorrow if rafa is not bothered too much by the pain.......

The question is more to be why a sain neutral fan of tennis would have a discussion with a crazy Ratatard like you.

Tutu
06-29-2010, 07:40 PM
Kill him, Rafa. Cut his body into 97 pieces, fry them and then feed him to the pidgeons. :)

Start da Game
06-29-2010, 07:40 PM
The question is more to be why a sain neutral fan of tennis would have a discussion with a crazy Ratatard like you.

even better question - how a tard like you can call others tards?

Noleta
06-29-2010, 07:42 PM
Rafa in 5:)

Commander Data
06-29-2010, 07:47 PM
even better question - how a tard like you can call others tards?

Lets make a public poll on MTF: "who is the bigger tard: Commander Data or Start da Game?"

I bet 1000 real dollars that I win.

philosophicalarf
06-29-2010, 07:48 PM
Tards calling other tards tards is the tardiest thing about MTF.

gusavo
06-29-2010, 09:27 PM
there is no escape for soderling. none.

he will be lucky to get a set. its just that simple.
how much have you bet?

tennisace28
06-29-2010, 10:06 PM
Have a bad feeling rafa is gonna be blown away by sod tomorrow, rafa has been looking ripe for the taking since his first match and the sod looked mighty impressive yesterday at the end of his match against ferrer. Sod's serve has been on fire and his forehands have been massive! How on earth will rafa return those massive serves and huge forehands??

ORGASMATRON
06-29-2010, 10:21 PM
well one things is for sure, its gonna be fun to come back to this thread if soderling wins...

Sophocles
06-29-2010, 10:36 PM
good post sophocles.

i still maintain that soderling is not going to given much of a chance in this match.

what you are saying does come with a "big if" attatched to it by your own admission.

there is as you know the concept of central tendency. a soderling win would constitute an outlier of the highest order and that is why it is so unlikely.

how often can one really expect lesser pros to beat guys like fed and nadal at slams in the best of 5 sets foremats these days anyway?

soderling said a few weeks ago that clay is his best surface. so suddenly grass is not going to be his best surface. he is not the mover the top guys like fed, nadal, and djokovic are.

essentially soderling has no choice but to go for broke. one just has to play his game while the other has to take most of the risks. that does not work on the average against somebody like clay warrior in the best of 5 sets match.

you can hit 85 winners against him or 95 as verdasco did at Oz in 2008. it is just not good enough. nadal finds a way to win the critical points.

accordingly, soderling will have to play a match of his life for 5 sets to win.

Thanks C.D. It's good to have a discussion with a rational Nadal fan. The way I see it is this. If Soderling plays badly & Nadal plays well, Nadal wins. If both play badly, Nadal wins. If Soderling plays badly & Nadal plays averagely, Nadal wins. If Soderling plays averagely & Nadal plays badly, edge to Nadal on mental strength. If both play averagely, Nadal wins. If Nadal plays well & Soderling plays averagely, Nadal wins. If Soderling plays well & Nadal plays averagely, Soderling wins. If Soderling plays well & Nadal plays badly, Soderling wins. If both play well, edge to Soderling as the aggressor. This means Nadal is more likely to win, but IF Soderling plays well, he's more likely (though not guaranteed) to win whatever Nadal does. I take your point about the Verdasco A.O. match, but Soderling is a tougher match-up than Verdasco.

Clay Death
06-29-2010, 10:40 PM
Thanks C.D. It's good to have a discussion with a rational Nadal fan. The way I see it is this. If Soderling plays badly & Nadal plays well, Nadal wins. If both play badly, Nadal wins. If Soderling plays badly & Nadal plays averagely, Nadal wins. If Soderling plays averagely & Nadal plays badly, edge to Nadal on mental strength. If both play averagely, Nadal wins. If Nadal plays well & Soderling plays averagely, Nadal wins. If Soderling plays well & Nadal plays averagely, Soderling wins. If Soderling plays well & Nadal plays badly, Soderling wins. If both play well, edge to Soderling as the aggressor. This means Nadal is more likely to win, but IF Soderling plays well, he's more likely (though not guaranteed) to win whatever Nadal does. I take your point about the Verdasco A.O. match, but Soderling is a tougher match-up than Verdasco.



thanks sophocles. you are one of the most articulate and also one of the most intelligent persons here. you keen analytical sense of it all is admirable.

keep up the good work old sport.

gusavo
06-29-2010, 11:04 PM
Thanks C.D. It's good to have a discussion with a rational Nadal fan. The way I see it is this. If Soderling plays badly & Nadal plays well, Nadal wins. If both play badly, Nadal wins. If Soderling plays badly & Nadal plays averagely, Nadal wins. If Soderling plays averagely & Nadal plays badly, edge to Nadal on mental strength. If both play averagely, Nadal wins. If Nadal plays well & Soderling plays averagely, Nadal wins. If Soderling plays well & Nadal plays averagely, Soderling wins. If Soderling plays well & Nadal plays badly, Soderling wins. If both play well, edge to Soderling as the aggressor. This means Nadal is more likely to win
lol
nadal averaging better play makes him more likely to win

thanks sophocles. you are one of the most articulate and also one of the most intelligent persons here. you keen analytical sense of it all is admirable.

keep up the good work old sport.
so, you have not bet anything?

ORGASMATRON
06-29-2010, 11:12 PM
lol

Sapeod
06-29-2010, 11:14 PM
If Soderling wins, I'm gonna quote so many posts :D

ORGASMATRON
06-29-2010, 11:28 PM
If Soderling wins, I'm gonna quote so many posts :D

:lol: i know of one person im certainly gonna quote :devil:

michellej
06-29-2010, 11:32 PM
Be warned that the poll is public.


Does that mean anyone who posts here can vote? That is truly frightening.

allpro
06-30-2010, 12:34 AM
Kill him, Rafa. Cut his body into 97 pieces, fry them and then feed him to the pidgeons. :)

Tards calling other tards tards is the tardiest thing about MTF.

Does that mean anyone who posts here can vote? That is truly frightening.

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emotion
06-30-2010, 01:30 AM
delete post

abraxas21
06-30-2010, 01:42 AM
Soderling won't win tomorrow. He will give a good fight and possibly win a set but I'm positive he won't win. Things will not click for him tomorrow and that's necessary to beat Nadal.

NADALbULLS
06-30-2010, 02:07 AM
Like I keep saying, even when Soderling beat Nadal last year at RG it wasn't a blowout, it was a tie-break in the 4th set. Lose that tie-break and the win likely goes to Nadal considering his 5-set record. And this was Nadal in his worst form. And then look at the 2010 RG Final, so one-sided that even if Soderling played his best I don't see how he could suddenly thrash Nadal. So I don't think Soderling is the threat some people think he is. He's mentally very weak, and that hurts him a lot because Nadal is getting every ball back and that really plays on Soderling's mind until he makes an "unforced" error. And add to that the fact that Nadal gets plenty of free points on his serve on grass, Nadal in a way is more benefited by grass than Soderling, because Nadal's serve is suddenly a weapon (not just because of speed, but slice too). Soderling's serve is great on all surfaces, but he misses a lot of 1st serves so it's not a big weapon in reality.

marvin0211
06-30-2010, 02:46 AM
if soderling serves very well he has a big chance of winning, still i think its a toss up

swebright
06-30-2010, 03:11 AM
Nadal is no longer injured; so he will win!

gusavo
06-30-2010, 03:39 AM
again, people are free to save this post. i give soderling ZERO chance to win this match.
how much did you bet?
anything but every piece of money you could get your hands on and we have perfect proof of you not trusting what youre saying

ORGASMATRON
06-30-2010, 03:46 AM
how much did you bet?
anything but every piece of money you could get your hands on and we have perfect proof of you not trusting what youre saying

clay death is nothing but a sorry excuse for a man. if nadal loses he wont be seen in GM for months, just like when nadal was owned for the most part of last year by just about every opponent. clay death has only come out of his hole in the ground since nadal won the FO. if soderling beat nadal he will crawl back into his hole and wont be seen in GM again until nadal wins next years RG. you can bet real money on that old sport.

gusavo
06-30-2010, 03:55 AM
I think Soderling was subconsciously trying to lose to Ferrer because he really doesn't want to face Nadal again.
sure looks like that, they way he won and all.
its just absurd, these things you people constantly come up with, theyre not what you think, it pretty much cant be. you just find the most positive things you could possibly come up with for nadl and the most negative you can for his opponents



Oh, and Nadal is the only player on tour who is not a pigeon of any other player and the only player who has not a gap of -2 in his H2H against any other player (just -1 against Davy and I don't know who else, if any) Do you know what those stats mean? Those stats mean that Nadal is probably one of the three toughest players to beat, ever. Do you think he is gonna lose THAT easy? :haha:
wow, thats not what it means

Sophocles
06-30-2010, 04:10 AM
wow, thats not what it means

Indeed not. He IS very tough to beat on a consistent basis & owns everybody on clay, but what it really reveals is that he matured early as a player & has yet to suffer a major decline.

bad gambler
06-30-2010, 06:41 AM
Rafa in 4

Smoke944
06-30-2010, 07:04 AM
I really liked Soderling's chances until he lost two sets to David Ferrer. That's not encouraging and now I'm not so sure. I still think I give him a pretty good chance, though.

Audacity
06-30-2010, 07:05 AM
Nadal in 4.

Priam
06-30-2010, 07:33 AM
Nadal needs to return well, serve great, and get as many balls back in play. That seems to frustrate the hell out of Sod.

For Sod he just needs to play his game and hope it clicks.

Expect a good match.

cardio
06-30-2010, 08:32 AM
I really liked Soderling's chances until he lost two sets to David Ferrer. That's not encouraging and now I'm not so sure. I still think I give him a pretty good chance, though.

He had his bad day in the office, but he got thru. Nadal so far had 2 bad days and he got thru also. In Ferrer match weather and low bouncing outside court were important factors also. Soda doesnt like heat ( once in Miami he even retired because it was so hot) and he doesnt like low bounce + Ferrer is tough opponent for everyone.
Today is kinda hot day too (forecast is up to 27 C in afternoon), but match is scheduled 2nd in court 1 and I hope Joker and Lu play a long match before they can start.
My money ( real euros) are on Soda 3-1.

Mimi
06-30-2010, 09:04 AM
clay death is nothing but a sorry excuse for a man. if nadal loses he wont be seen in GM for months, just like when nadal was owned for the most part of last year by just about every opponent. clay death has only come out of his hole in the ground since nadal won the FO. if soderling beat nadal he will crawl back into his hole and wont be seen in GM again until nadal wins next years RG. you can bet real money on that old sport.
clay death may be is too daring for his bold prediction, but he is no coward, he seldom posts in GM ever since early last year where Rafa was still dominating, its not that he only comes out when rafa is winning, but however i do admit that there are some rafa fans who did that, there are also some rafa haters who only post in the threads and jeered him where Rafa was losing, but did not dare to post in the threads when he was winning ......

ORGASMATRON
06-30-2010, 09:11 AM
clay death may be is too daring for his bold prediction, but he is no coward, he seldom posts in GM ever since early last year where Rafa was still dominating, its not that he only comes out when rafa is winning, but however i do admit that there are some rafa fans who did that, there are also some rafa haters who only post in the threads where Rafa was losing, but did not dare to post in the threads when he was winning ......

its good that you are honest and come up for someone else. i like that. i guess the outcome of this match will tell us a lot about clay deaths integrity.

samanosuke
06-30-2010, 09:35 AM
Nadal in 4

Action Jackson
06-30-2010, 09:42 AM
If Nadal loses, there will be plenty of excuses about some injury. If he wins, then there will be excuses as well.

In other words, the result thread will get very catty.

acionescu
06-30-2010, 10:44 AM
No need for excuses, Nadal's game wasn't very convincing so far in this tournement imo :shrug:

Diprosalic
06-30-2010, 11:13 AM
Nadal will beat the Soderking off the court in straights. something like 6:2 6:4 6:0

rafa_maniac
06-30-2010, 11:56 AM
I'm a little confused as to why Nadal's form in this tournament is being so downplayed by the vast majority. He had two very convincing wins over Nishikori and Mathieu, both of them aggresive players capable of doing some damage. I didn't watch the Petzschner match, but I did watch the Haase one and while he lost two sets, they basically hinged on two untimely double faults and some hit and hope good fortune for Haase at the right time. There was little Nadal could do to get into Haase's service games in those two sets and he clearly dominated the other three. I imagine the Petzschner match was along the same lines.

In other words while he is, and always has been vulnerable to nothing-to-lose big hitters on the slick grass of Wimbledon's first week, this doesn't mean he's playing poor tennis by any means. In fact I think he's playing really well, the conditions out there suit him nicely now and Soderling will have his work cut out for him for sure. I can see it going either way, but I hope and trust that Rafa will find a way, somehow, eventually.

Foxy
06-30-2010, 12:33 PM
I'm a little confused as to why Nadal's form in this tournament is being so downplayed by the vast majority. He had two very convincing wins over Nishikori and Mathieu, both of them aggresive players capable of doing some damage. I didn't watch the Petzschner match, but I did watch the Haase one and while he lost two sets, they basically hinged on two untimely double faults and some hit and hope good fortune for Haase at the right time. There was little Nadal could do to get into Haase's service games in those two sets and he clearly dominated the other three. I imagine the Petzschner match was along the same lines.

In other words while he is, and always has been vulnerable to nothing-to-lose big hitters on the slick grass of Wimbledon's first week, this doesn't mean he's playing poor tennis by any means. In fact I think he's playing really well, the conditions out there suit him nicely now and Soderling will have his work cut out for him for sure. I can see it going either way, but I hope and trust that Rafa will find a way, somehow, eventually.

Spot on. In fact Rafa looks as good as ever form-wise. Haase had 2/2 BP won and Pets had 1/2 BP won and yet Rafa lost 2 sets to each of them. Believe it or not Rafa had been broken only 4 times so far and BP won against him are 4/9.

Action Jackson
06-30-2010, 12:34 PM
No need for excuses, Nadal's game wasn't very convincing so far in this tournement imo :shrug:

Stop it, they will come out you know it and I know it.

Tenn1sAdd1ct
06-30-2010, 12:42 PM
Sod in 4. Sod had troubles with low bouncing ball against Ferrer but Nadals topspin will be just perfect for Soderling on grass court. Also how healthy is Nadal? He has received some medical treatment in few matches lately (wimbledon and queens). Also PHM played like crap so that wasn't a test really.

Veronique
06-30-2010, 12:52 PM
its good that you are honest and come up for someone else. i like that. i guess the outcome of this match will tell us a lot about clay deaths integrity.

And yours as well! I can't wait to read your posts when Soderling loses. You'll probably say he didn't play his best.

ORGASMATRON
06-30-2010, 01:30 PM
And yours as well! I can't wait to read your posts when Soderling loses. You'll probably say he didn't play his best.

this is utter BS. i never said anywhere that soderling is winning this for sure. learn to read old sport.

ossie
06-30-2010, 07:35 PM
Hope that Robin serves big and with a high first serve and 2nd serve speed and keeps the UE down but he has to go for the lines against Rafa!!

Anyway i'm confident in another top 10 loss for Nadull before the finals anyway!!mtf never disappoints :worship:

ossie
06-30-2010, 07:37 PM
Rafa in 4no wonder you got the most vcash :worship::worship::worship: