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Who still believes in a Fedal Wimbledon final

Diprosalic
06-27-2010, 08:58 PM
i don't. but i hope i'm wrong.

BK 201
06-27-2010, 09:00 PM
Roddick v Nadal will be the final IMO.

Diprosalic
06-27-2010, 09:02 PM
Roddick v Nadal will be the final IMO.

you sure? i think roger has the higher chances of advancing to the final. but there is a good chance that none of them will be there.

Topspin Forehand
06-27-2010, 09:04 PM
Federer vs. Soderling is my prediction with Soderling winning.

Certinfy
06-27-2010, 09:07 PM
No way can I see Nadal making the final, with Federer I think he has a slight chance. So no.

Roddick vs Soderling Final IMO.

ORGASMATRON
06-27-2010, 09:09 PM
i used to believe in it but what i have seen from nadal has not been very encouraging. its either fedal or Soderer i think. id love to see nadal in the final so the GOAT can beat the snot out of him though.

Jimnik
06-27-2010, 09:10 PM
Berdych-Soderling final

These ball-bashers are unstoppable.

Roamed
06-27-2010, 09:14 PM
I'd be more surprised than not if it happens. I can envision a whole load of others getting there, Roddick, Robin, Murray... Djokovic or Hewitt wouldn't be too much of a surprise. I think it's pretty likely at least one of them will to be honest given past successes, their proper form will probably become obvious after tomorrow I think. Federer has a more difficult match and Rafa, an easier one, so we should be able to tell from how they deal with that.

Persimmon
06-27-2010, 09:16 PM
Federer-Murray final.

ORGASMATRON
06-27-2010, 09:19 PM
Federer-Murray final.

are you sure? murrays form has been shocking of late. and i dont know if his easy draw ill help him when he faces tsonga or soderling or nadal.

Persimmon
06-27-2010, 09:21 PM
are you sure? murrays form has been shocking of late. and i dont know if his easy draw ill help him when he faces tsonga or soderling or nadal.

Yes, I'm sure. He's playing at the same level as he was at the AO this year.

ORGASMATRON
06-27-2010, 09:23 PM
Yes, I'm sure. He's playing at the same level as he was at the AO this year.

how can you say that? he hasnt played one tough player and hes lost twice to fish since the AO already.

Matt01
06-27-2010, 09:23 PM
It's 50/50 I think. It could be a Fedal final but it also could be a Sodwitt (Söderking vs. Hewitt) final :o

I just hope the final will a good one and not a chokefest like last year :o :yeah:

Persimmon
06-27-2010, 09:24 PM
how can you say that? he hasnt played one tough player and hes lost twice to fish since the AO already.

Right now Murray and Soderling are playing the best tennis at Wimbledon.

Matt01
06-27-2010, 09:24 PM
Yes, I'm sure.


:spit:

Federer hasn't been very convincing, either. And Murray :o

Persimmon
06-27-2010, 09:27 PM
I don't see any player in Fed's half stopping him. All his biatches are there. :o

The Spartans like Soderling and Murray are in Rafa's half.:wavey:

Topspin Forehand
06-27-2010, 09:29 PM
I don't see any player in Fed's half stopping him. All his biatches are there. :o

The Spartans like Soderling and Murray are in Rafa's half.:wavey:
Yep. :(

Manequin75
06-27-2010, 09:31 PM
if not fedal final then a Naderer final for sure ;)

Seriously, I think You will see a new and improved Rafa next week. Tough matches in the early rounds in wimbledon on fresh grass in week one has always been the case with Rafa. But he steps it up in week two when he faces known opponents and the grass wears out.

Fed is arguably the best ever and he has only lost one match at wimbleodn in like 6-7 years? Thats insane. You think Fed will have a tough time against Melzer, Berdych and roddick? Oh boy- he will chew them up. Watch the mighty Fed play himself into form too next week.

The Fedal-Naderer final is very much on. And on the fourth of July you will see another of the clash of the titans.

Sunset of Age
06-27-2010, 09:32 PM
Nope, hard time believing either will reach the finals here, but if they do, I'll surely be happy about it.

I don't see any player in Fed's half stopping him. All his biatches are there. :o

The Spartans like Soderling and Murray are in Rafa's half.:wavey:

Yep. :(

Yes, as everybody can see, Federer is still the same player as two years ago, and those 'biatches' of his still don't have any chance of beating him.
Oh, wait. :rolleyes:

nanoman
06-27-2010, 09:34 PM
Murray should beat Nadal, unless he chokes badly.
Fed on the other hand, I still don't know what to think of his form. A Sampras era leftover(Clement) bending over doesn't convince me.

ORGASMATRON
06-27-2010, 09:35 PM
Right now Murray and Soderling are playing the best tennis at Wimbledon.

ok we need to agree to disagree. you dont play the best tennis at wimby by beating clowns. we'll see what happens against tsonga, soderling, or nadal. if he beats them then we can agree to agree. soderling is something different because hes been on form of late. murray has clearly not been.

superslam77
06-27-2010, 09:40 PM
Roddick beats Soderling or something like that.

tangerine_dream
06-27-2010, 09:40 PM
Soderling-Hewitt final. :scared:

Manequin75
06-27-2010, 09:44 PM
Right now Murray and Soderling are playing the best tennis at Wimbledon.

Sure they are. But this was the first week of wimbledon. No one ever won WIMBLEDON in the first week. You can only lose it in the first week. Fedal will play themselves into form and peak when they play quality known opposition.

Fed ALWAYS rises to the occasion, and,
Rafa's knees are ok ;). He just played two free-swinging blokes who played "crazy".

Manequin75
06-27-2010, 09:54 PM
Nope, hard time believing either will reach the finals here, but if they do, I'll surely be happy about it.

Yes, as everybody can see, Federer is still the same player as two years ago, and those 'biatches' of his still don't have any chance of beating him.
Oh, wait. :rolleyes:


None of these 'biateches' beaten mighty FED on grass...or have they? Fed is a LOCK for the final. If the fedal final doesnt happen it will be because Rafa didn't keep his date imo. And Rafa Nadal is in no mood to not keep his date. He will do WHATEVER it would take to get to that final.

NEVER UNDERESTIMATE A CHAMPIONS HEART. Only two champions in the draw - Fed and Rafa. The rest have always been challengers.

ApproachShot
06-27-2010, 09:54 PM
As long as Fedal remain in the draw, I will always root for them to make it to the final. I don't think it is going to happen though. A while ago I speculated on a possible Rafa-Djoko final but Fed, Murray, Roddick, Soderling or Hewitt could also be in the running. It seems very difficult to call this year.

Manequin75
06-27-2010, 09:58 PM
Challengers emerge and appear strong....
Fickle fans doubt....
Situations turn difficult...
Thats when the inevitable happens....
Champions rise & RESTORE ORDER...........

:worship:

Helevorn
06-27-2010, 10:05 PM
Berdych-Soderling final

These ball-bashers are unstoppable.

THIS.

anyway, soderling's gonna win

born_on_clay
06-27-2010, 10:08 PM
I still believe :D

Orka_n
06-27-2010, 10:20 PM
No such thing as a Fedal final here.

Corey Feldman
06-27-2010, 10:25 PM
it wont be a Fedal final because Fed wont make it, Nadal i can see there

00923
06-27-2010, 10:26 PM
A Djokovic-Murray final is what nightmares are made of. Anyone but them....anyone...

Sunset of Age
06-27-2010, 10:26 PM
None of these 'biateches' beaten mighty FED on grass...or have they? Fed is a LOCK for the final. If the fedal final doesnt happen it will be because Rafa didn't keep his date imo. And Rafa Nadal is in no mood to not keep his date. He will do WHATEVER it would take to get to that final.

You seem to believe that great runs by a great champion go on "forever". I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but they don't. Hewitt already convincingly beat him at Halle a couple of weeks ago, and quite a few other players were close to taking sets from him (including Petzschner). He ISN'T unbeatable anymore, and I'm sure the other candidates have noticed this very well indeed.

I have yet to see Rafa beat either Soderling or Murray, who imho have been far more impressive than him so far.

NEVER UNDERESTIMATE A CHAMPIONS HEART. Only two champions in the draw - Fed and Rafa. The rest have always been challengers.

I may be wrong about this, but there's also Hewitt, Roddick and Djokovic around - aren't they champions, too?
And there's Soderling, Murray and Berdych around, all playing well so far, and I'm sure they are ready to make a mark as well.
I'm not underestimating either Fed or Raf, I'm just witnessing the undeniable. :shrug:

Anyways, I will be very happy to be proven wrong. :)

Bagelicious
06-27-2010, 10:29 PM
Soderling-Hewitt final. :scared:

:lol: I'd be pretty okay with this, or Roddick-Soderling.

I'm not convinced in a Fedal final - neither of them are playing particularly convincing tennis right now. Right from the beginning of the tournament I doubted it would happen and I still doubt. Even the 'heart of a champion' :rolleyes: can get beaten by a player who is better on the day.

ORGASMATRON
06-27-2010, 10:31 PM
it wont be a Fedal final because Fed wont make it, Nadal i can see there

:awww:

andy neyer
06-27-2010, 10:34 PM
I don't see any player in Fed's half stopping him. All his biatches are there. :o

Berdych in the QF?

Manequin75
06-27-2010, 10:36 PM
it wont be a Fedal final because Fed wont make it, Nadal i can see there


either this post was a jinx or you are some contrarian. Prior to last week and maybe even prior to the draw I might have agreed. Now, I think fed imo is a lock for the final. Rafa has his work cut out for him.

Sunset of Age
06-27-2010, 10:37 PM
Berdych in the QF?

A very possible candidate to pull off the upset, indeed.

DrJules
06-27-2010, 10:37 PM
You seem to believe that great runs by a great champion go on "forever". I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but they don't. Hewitt already convincingly beat him at Halle a couple of weeks ago, and quite a few other players were close to taking sets from him (including Petzschner). He ISN'T unbeatable anymore, and I'm sure the other candidates have noticed this very well indeed.

I have yet to see Rafa beat either Soderling or Murray, who imho have been far more impressive than him so far.



I may be wrong about this, but there's also Hewitt, Roddick and Djokovic around - aren't they champions, too?
And there's Soderling, Murray and Berdych around, all playing well so far, and I'm sure they are ready to make a mark as well.
I'm not underestimating either Fed or Raf, I'm just witnessing the undeniable. :shrug:

Anyways, I will be very happy to be proven wrong. :)

Federer lead Hewitt 6-4, and was lve 40 at 4-4 in second set and failed to convert 3 break points to enable him to serve for match.

It could easily have been a normal straight set match.

Hewitt is the only other Wimbledon champion.

kindling
06-27-2010, 10:40 PM
wouldn't be interesting in the slightest.

Sunset of Age
06-27-2010, 10:40 PM
Federer lead Hewitt 6-4, and was lve 40 at 4-4 in second set and failed to convert 3 break points to enable him to serve for match.

I happen to disagree. Federer got the break in that 1st set by a very lucky netcord. From that moment on, it was all Hewitt, except for that one game you mention - but when Feds couldn't convert, it was NID to me who would end up being the winner. Hewitt actually toyed him around in the 3rd, Fed had no answer whatsoever.

All matches 'could' have gone the other way, but coulda-woulda-shoulda don't count. :)

ORGASMATRON
06-27-2010, 10:43 PM
I happen to disagree. Federer got the break in that 1st set by a very lucky netcord. From that moment on, it was all Hewitt, except for that one game you mention - but when Feds couldn't convert, it was NID to me who would end up being the winner. Hewitt actually toyed him around in the 3rd, Fed had no answer whatsoever.

All matches 'could' have gone the other way, but coulda-woulda-shoulda don't count. :)

not true.

Sunset of Age
06-27-2010, 10:45 PM
not true.

I was THERE, and yes, it is very true indeed.

Manequin75
06-27-2010, 10:45 PM
You seem to believe that great runs by a great champion go on "forever". I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but they don't. Hewitt already convincingly beat him at Halle a couple of weeks ago, and quite a few other players were close to taking sets from him (including Petzschner). He ISN'T unbeatable anymore, and I'm sure the other candidates have noticed this very well indeed.



I have yet to see Rafa beat either Soderling or Murray, who imho have been far more impressive than him so far.



I may be wrong about this, but there's also Hewitt, Roddick and Djokovic around - aren't they champions, too?
And there's Soderling, Murray and Berdych around, all playing well so far, and I'm sure they are ready to make a mark as well.
I'm not underestimating either Fed or Raf, I'm just witnessing the undeniable. :shrug:

Anyways, I will be very happy to be proven wrong. :)


I am surprised you are basing stuff on Halle. That is a small club tournament and it is a best of three format. Fed has a much better record in best of 5 matches for obvious reasons. If the Halle final was 5 sets you think Hewitt would have won it for sure? Fed doesnt lose much in grand slams if at all. Sure he is not the same but I think still good enough for this field.

Rafa beat Sod in FO and also in an exho on a fast court. Sure Sod is tough but the favorite for that Match will be Rafa by a mile. SOd plays low margin tennis and high risk shots. Sure if the roulette machine is on he has a very good chance. But I pick consistent high margin rafa over sod in a best of 5 in the second week in wimbledon.


Other names you mention are challenegers at best. Roddick has a lot to prove really. Djokovich hpefully will prove one day that he is not a 1 slam wonder. And mUrray will prove that he can win a slam one day. Hewitt is almost from yesteryear and still capable but dont think he has it in him to win a slam any more. So yeah in thsi curent field I think fed and rafa are champions and the rest challengers.

ANd I am not saying fedal dominance is going to last forever . JUst wimbleodn 2010 is what we are talking about. I hear yoru reasons but I still think you are being pre-emptive in writing down their chances based on Halle and 2 Rafa five setters this week.

Manequin75
06-27-2010, 10:49 PM
A very possible candidate to pull off the upset, indeed.


If a 3 set match maybe berdych could beat Fed. Not a 5 setter playing his first match on Center court against the bEST there ever was. Very low probability event.

HKz
06-27-2010, 10:54 PM
how can you say that? he hasnt played one tough player and hes lost twice to fish since the AO already.

Yeah I like Murray's chances. I mean his caliber of opponents weren't that great, but he has shown some nice improvements to his game, especially with the first serve. It should be a Murray vs. Soderling semifinal. I don't know who would come out as the winner if such a matchup took place.

Sunset of Age
06-27-2010, 10:55 PM
I am surprised you are basing stuff on Halle. That is a small club tournament and it is a best of three format. Fed has a much better record in best of 5 matches for obvious reasons. If the Halle final was 5 sets you think Hewitt would have won it for sure? Fed doesnt lose much in grand slams if at all. Sure he is not the same but I think still good enough for this field.

I am not basing my opinion on what happened in Halle (a tournament which is very dear to him and which he's won 5 times, btw), but on Federer's current level of playing. He's lost a step in overall speed, his ROS is In Absentia, his strokes miss the 'punch' they used to have some 18 months ago, just to name a few things. Still a fine player, but surely not the force he once used to be, and it's been going on for a while now.
BTW, I never believed the 'he doesn't care for smaller tournaments anymore'-excuse - I do believe that he's just lost a step and that he's in a very natural decline. Happens to all players, sooner or later.

Rafa beat Sod in FO and also in an exho on a fast court. Sure Sod is tough but the favorite for that Match will be Rafa by a mile. SOd plays low margin tennis and high risk shots. Sure if the roulette machine is on he has a very good chance. But I pick consistent high margin rafa over sod in a best of 5 in the second week in wimbledon.

It could be, of course. Sod has this tendency to be 'off' at times, and in that case, Rafa will take his rightful advantage. But somehow I don't see it happening this time. BTW, the opponent might also be Murray, and he's doing fine as well lately.

Other names you mention are challenegers at best. Roddick has a lot to prove really. Djokovich hpefully will prove one day that he is not a 1 slam wonder. And mUrray will prove that he can win a slam one day. Hewitt is almost from yesteryear and still capable but dont think he has it in him to win a slam any more. So yeah in thsi curent field I think fed and rafa are champions and the rest challengers.

I personally think we're about to see a Change of the Guard - it's been a very strange period in tennis, where we could literally pencil in the names of the finalists in the majority of important tournaments for about five years. Unseen before and I doubt we'll ever see it happening again.
Murray, Soderling, Berdych cum suis are all very talented players, and would surely like to grab their chances now that Fedal seems to be slightly 'off'.

ANd I am not saying fedal dominance is going to last forever . JUst wimbleodn 2010 is what we are talking about. I hear yoru reasons but I still think you are being pre-emptive in writing down their chances based on Halle and 2 Rafa five setters this week.

Like I said, I'm not basing my opinion on what happened in Halle, nor on Rafa having to play 2 5-setters this week - I just think the top player candidates are now closer to eachother than we've ever seen before in the past five years, and anything might happen.

And I'd LOVE to be proven wrong, of course! :)

andy neyer
06-27-2010, 10:57 PM
If a 3 set match maybe berdych could beat Fed. Not a 5 setter playing his first match on Center court against the bEST there ever was. Very low probability event.

i'm almost 100% sure Berdych has played quite a few matches on Wimby CC before.

Tomas will definitely be a tough test for Fed in the QF. A hard server with a good baseline game and fairly decent volleys who has beaten Federer before in important matches. He's got what it takes. Question is: can he pull it off?

Manequin75
06-27-2010, 11:04 PM
i'm almost 100% sure Berdych has played quite a few matches on Wimby CC before.

Tomas will definitely be a tough test for Fed in the QF. A hard server with a good baseline game and fairly decent volleys who has beaten Federer before in important matches. He's got what it takes. Question is: can he pull it off?

I meant Berdych's first match this year on center court. AFter playing on court numbers 12, 18, 5400 and 160006654343 he will be dumped on CC against FED.

Sure a tough test for fed- which I dont deny. But him winning against fed is a low probability event (im sure if you bet on him winning you will get a 700% return or so on your money - even more.

HKz
06-27-2010, 11:05 PM
i'm almost 100% sure Berdych has played quite a few matches on Wimby CC before.

Tomas will definitely be a tough test for Fed in the QF. A hard server with a good baseline game and fairly decent volleys who has beaten Federer before in important matches. He's got what it takes. Question is: can he pull it off?

I wouldn't say the 2004 Olympics and 2010 Miami were really important. Aside from their 2009 Australian Open encounter, Roger has won all their best-of-5-set matches in straight sets.

Regardless, he will certainly be a fair test to see where Federer's game lies.

ORGASMATRON
06-27-2010, 11:09 PM
Yeah I like Murray's chances. I mean his caliber of opponents weren't that great, but he has shown some nice improvements to his game, especially with the first serve. It should be a Murray vs. Soderling semifinal. I don't know who would come out as the winner if such a matchup took place.

dont get me wrong. i want murray to be in the best possible form in case he plays nadal in the semis. but im not convinced. he's been a mess since the AO but maybe this will be the tourney where he turns things around. if he is to make the final and meet the GOAT again i feel sorry for him. losing a 3rd time to the GOAT in a slam final may just be the final nail in the coffin for murrays slam chances.

Manequin75
06-27-2010, 11:10 PM
And I'd LOVE to be proven wrong, of course! :)


oh trust me you will be proven wrong ;)

maybe there is a possibility a fedal final wont happen this year. But to think anyone other than FED or RAFA lifting that trophy on July 4th is outrageous :).

ORDER was RESTORED on CLAY this year not for IT to be DISRUPTED on GRASS ;)

Unless FED gets beaten in wimbledon he is the #1 favorite. He ONLY has to beat ONE out of these three - Rafa, Sod, Murray. Unulike my poor Rafito who has to beat Sod then Murray and Then Fed consecutively :shrug:

Diprosalic
06-27-2010, 11:18 PM
i just can't see rafa beating soderling and murray. if neither of them make it to the QF or SF rafa will make it to the finals
i think a roger roddick match up would be 50:50 but im not sure if roddick will make it to the Semis.

my prediction. roger goes to the final and plays either murray or soderling, will win against murray will lose against soderling.

ossie
06-27-2010, 11:20 PM
cant wait to bump this on july 4th

Sunset of Age
06-27-2010, 11:22 PM
oh trust me you will be proven wrong ;)

Heh heh. I will buy you a Virtual Beer should that happen. :p

Unless FED gets beaten in wimbledon he is the #1 favorite. He ONLY has to beat ONE out of these three - Rafa, Sod, Murray. Unulike my poor Rafito who has to beat Sod then Murray and Then Fed consecutively :shrug:

You are comfortably forgetting a few very fierce candidates on Roger's side of the draw - Berdych, Roddick, Djokovic. Don't make the mistake to underrate this players... although I know very well that it is a kind of habit here on MTF. ;)

DrJules
06-27-2010, 11:26 PM
I happen to disagree. Federer got the break in that 1st set by a very lucky netcord. From that moment on, it was all Hewitt, except for that one game you mention - but when Feds couldn't convert, it was NID to me who would end up being the winner. Hewitt actually toyed him around in the 3rd, Fed had no answer whatsoever.

All matches 'could' have gone the other way, but coulda-woulda-shoulda don't count. :)

The shocking thing was how badly Federer played the 3 break points; first 2 he lost with his own unforced errors and then Hewitt had a lucky net cord. Against Falla Federer remembered to keep the ball in play and let the other player make the error which was a key change and what Federer historically has always done on key points.

ORGASMATRON
06-27-2010, 11:27 PM
I was THERE, and yes, it is very true indeed.

no one has ever toyed with roger lol, thats just silly. i dont care if he told you that.

Sophocles
06-27-2010, 11:33 PM
Unlikely to happen and tennis can do without such a predictable borefest anyway.

Bagelicious
06-27-2010, 11:33 PM
Soderling-Hewitt final. :scared:

:lol: I'd be pretty okay with this, or Roddick-Soderling.

I'm not convinced in a Fedal final - neither of them are playing particularly convincing tennis right now. Right from the beginning of the tournament I doubted it would happen and I still doubt. Even the 'heart of a champion' :rolleyes: can get beaten by a player who is better on the day.

Fed=ATPTourkilla
06-27-2010, 11:35 PM
One of them might make it but not both. If one of them does make it I'd say 65-35 it will be Fed. Not because Fed is playing better (he isn't) but because he has a softer draw. I really struggle to see Nadal going through both Soderling and Murray, especially after two five-setters.

NB A final between two giant robo-bashers would be very bad for tennis.

Sunset of Age
06-27-2010, 11:38 PM
I'm not convinced in a Fedal final - neither of them are playing particularly convincing tennis right now. Right from the beginning of the tournament I doubted it would happen and I still doubt. Even the 'heart of a champion' :rolleyes: can get beaten by a player who is better on the day.

This.
People have been 'spoilt' by what's been happening the past five years or so, a domination by two players so strong, that you could pencil in the finalists at about every important tournament. When looking further back at the history of the game, one should find out that such is a very rare exception, and not at all the 'rule'. I feel like we're slowly-but-steadily returning to the 'normal' state of things, which is... see the bolded part.

DrJules
06-27-2010, 11:39 PM
Unlikely to happen and tennis can do without such a predictable borefest anyway.

I assume it is the Nadal bit you do not want.

I actually think Murray will take Nadal out if Soderling does not do it.

Manequin75
06-28-2010, 01:10 AM
This.
People have been 'spoilt' by what's been happening the past five years or so, a domination by two players so strong, that you could pencil in the finalists at about every important tournament. When looking further back at the history of the game, one should find out that such is a very rare exception, and not at all the 'rule'. I feel like we're slowly-but-steadily returning to the 'normal' state of things, which is... see the bolded part.

slowly but steadily means not thsi wimbledon atleast :p

Manequin75
06-28-2010, 01:12 AM
I assume it is the Nadal bit you do not want.

I actually think Murray will take Nadal out if Soderling does not do it.


i think if sod fails to take rafa out i think rafa is a lock for the final too. Only a big server can pose problems for rafa here. He will chew murray up. Not worried about Murray one bit on this surface.

Johnny Groove
06-28-2010, 01:14 AM
As long as Roddick wins it all, I could care less how the rest of it pans out.

andy neyer
06-28-2010, 01:21 AM
I meant Berdych's first match this year on center court. AFter playing on court numbers 12, 18, 5400 and 160006654343 he will be dumped on CC against FED.

Sure a tough test for fed- which I dont deny. But him winning against fed is a low probability event (im sure if you bet on him winning you will get a 700% return or so on your money - even more.

I agree with you that Fed will be the fave but I'd put his odds something like 65-35 or 70-30 at most. If Federer isn't in a good day, then things will get ugly. He already almost lost against Falla. Berdych is a much better player and who knows what it takes to win a match against Federer.

andy neyer
06-28-2010, 01:26 AM
I wouldn't say the 2004 Olympics and 2010 Miami were really important. Aside from their 2009 Australian Open encounter, Roger has won all their best-of-5-set matches in straight sets.

Regardless, he will certainly be a fair test to see where Federer's game lies.

The Olypmics were very important. It's no secret that Federer actually places a pretty high value on the Olyimpics.

Most of the straight set matches Federer won were in the time in which he was in his prime and Berdych wasn't playing that well.

I dunno, I just kind of expect a very hard fought match on both players. It will be crucial for Federer to take care of the break points he can generate and it will be crucial for Tomas to keep a positive attitude throughout the match. I was kind of surprised at how well he held his nerves this year in Miami. I thought it was a great effort.

Mjau!
06-28-2010, 01:40 AM
Mr Gamesmanship certainly isn't getting anywhere near the final while Mr Arrogant might.

MacTheKnife
06-28-2010, 01:54 AM
As long as Roddick wins it all, I could care less how the rest of it pans out.

This. ;)

Clay Death
06-28-2010, 02:03 AM
As long as Roddick wins it all, I could care less how the rest of it pans out.


roddick is not taking this title old sport. fed will get rid of him.

bayvalle
06-28-2010, 02:12 AM
With the resurgence of Soderling and Berdych (never mind Murray and Djokovic), a Fed-Nadal final may now be a thing of the past. I am a Fed fan, but I think Fed's game is on a serious decline. And I mean decline, not just an off-day case. From my vantage point, there is no longer fire in Fed's eyes. In contrast, Rafa's game appears to be on an upswing. (What drives this guy crazy anyway?) It is time Fed woke up, or Nadal could be hoisting his 10th GS trophy in no time, getting past Sampras' record of 14, and ultimately getting a shot at equalling (or surpassing) Fed's record of 16. Was it McEnroe who predicted Nadal could get 13 or 14? Let us see if this prediction will hold water three or four years from now.

Topspin Forehand
06-28-2010, 02:38 AM
As long as Roddick wins it all, I could care less how the rest of it pans out.
lol the irony. I'm from America and I hate Roddick. He is a jerk to the umpires.

moon language
06-28-2010, 02:51 AM
I'm thinking we might see Roddick - Soderling in the final.

Priam
06-28-2010, 02:55 AM
Nadal vs djoker in the finals for a change.

paseo
06-28-2010, 03:09 AM
Nobody for Lu vs Benneteau final?

Paylu2007
06-28-2010, 03:27 AM
Nobody for Lu vs Benneteau final?

tempting.. if they end up kissing and touching each other, i will support ur idea :rolleyes:


...and i mean a long tongue kiss :)

abraxas21
06-28-2010, 04:43 AM
I hope we don't get another Fedal final.

tektonac
06-28-2010, 04:48 AM
i don't think fed wants to play nadal cheater-doubles (rafa + uncle :cool:).

Topspin Forehand
06-28-2010, 05:03 AM
i don't think fed wants to play nadal cheater-doubles (rafa + uncle :cool:).
Getting old. :o

djb84xi
06-28-2010, 05:13 AM
I think it's still somewhat possible. Never say never. The way men's tennis tends to play out sometimes, the rest of this year could end up with these two playing in several more finals, although I doubt that'll happen.

It will be a tough 2nd week, and I'm not as sure as I was at the start that Fed and Rafa will meet in the final. But if they do, I won't be surprised.

tektonac
06-28-2010, 05:25 AM
Getting old. :o

like an old wine, the older the better ;)

Bargearse
06-28-2010, 05:43 AM
I would be all for this scenario if I believed Federer had a chance, but the way he's playing, I question if he'll even make it to the final. Maybe neither one of them will. But if for some reason both do end up in the final, Nadal will win for sure. It's like Clubber Lang vs Rocky. Total beatdown.:sad:

pica_pica
06-28-2010, 05:59 AM
By their performances and others' performances so far, I don't believe in a Fedal final. Even a final without any of the duo will not surprise me. Roger has better chance than Nadal in reaching final IMO

pica_pica
06-28-2010, 06:01 AM
Nadal vs djoker in the finals for a change.
I sincerely hope so, unlikely tho

coonster14
06-28-2010, 06:11 AM
Nadal vs djoker in the finals for a change.

i would so love to see this happen, but it is looking very unlikely...im personally hoping for roddick vs nadal.

back to the original topic, there are 2 players in mens tennis u can never underestimate and they are roger federer and rafael nadal. however this time around, i dont see BOTH of them reaching the wimbledon 2010 final.

Art&Soul
06-28-2010, 06:12 AM
No way

Its FedGoat vs Murray in the final

tennisfaNo1
06-28-2010, 08:29 AM
http://sports.betfair.com/
Mens Tournament - To Reach The Final

28.06.2010 - 10:29

Roger Federer 1.7
Rafael Nadal 2.6

Andy Murray 3.55
Robin Soderling 3.8

Andy Roddick 5.3

Novak Djokovic 12
Tomas Berdych 12
Lleyton Hewitt 14

this is objective. but I still have some doubts in nadal, if he plays robin and murray

careergrandslam
06-28-2010, 08:37 AM
nadal wont hold his end of the deal if u want a fedal final.
think rafa is going out in the QF or SF.

abraxas21
06-28-2010, 08:45 AM
this is objective

It isn't.

abraxas21
06-28-2010, 08:46 AM
think rafa is going out in the QF or SF.

hopefully. the sooner the better.

tennisfaNo1
06-28-2010, 08:58 AM
It isn't.

are u suggesting that we are smarter than bookies? plz go ahead and play at someone else. I as well expressed my doubts in rafa, but how can you say that bookies are not objective?:rolleyes:

nanoman
06-28-2010, 09:44 AM
are u suggesting that we are smarter than bookies? plz go ahead and play at someone else. I as well expressed my doubts in rafa, but how can you say that bookies are not objective?:rolleyes:

Bookies don't make a prediction on the match outcome. They make a prediction on the betting behaviour of the gamblers.

allpro
06-28-2010, 09:51 AM
not happening.

tennisfaNo1
06-28-2010, 09:52 AM
Bookies don't make a prediction on the match outcome. They make a prediction on the betting behaviour of the gamblers.

even 3 months ago?:worship:

toby1526
06-28-2010, 09:53 AM
Gonna be Fed v nadal or fed v murray and if so fed beats murray and nadal beat fed.

Mimi
06-28-2010, 09:56 AM
not that i am doing anti-jinxing, but don't really see rafa can get to the final, roger may be :scratch:

nanoman
06-28-2010, 10:09 AM
even 3 months ago?:worship:

Yes
The odds have changed, haven't they ? :worship:

Elena.
06-28-2010, 11:06 AM
no way :D

Commander Data
06-28-2010, 12:02 PM
Both are highly questionable. But with Fedal you never know.....

Andi-M
06-28-2010, 12:51 PM
Murray/Soderling Vs Roddick

viruzzz
06-28-2010, 12:56 PM
Federer - Soderling

Manequin75
06-28-2010, 01:48 PM
Both are highly questionable. But with Fedal you never know.....


well this match from fed should shut the doubters for atleast Fed getting through. Nobody can stop him. Now lets see if Rafa responds to the challenge for his spot on JUly 4th. Fed is a LOCK.

Go FED!!!!

Manequin75
06-28-2010, 01:50 PM
This.
People have been 'spoilt' by what's been happening the past five years or so, a domination by two players so strong, that you could pencil in the finalists at about every important tournament. When looking further back at the history of the game, one should find out that such is a very rare exception, and not at all the 'rule'. I feel like we're slowly-but-steadily returning to the 'normal' state of things, which is... see the bolded part.


Bonnie :)

The para above makes sense on most eras. Not when you talk aboyt FED. He is the man. Watch him bull doze everybody now and get back to the finals. I think he will win this tournament again.

Now gotta cheer Rafa to stop making me pull all my hair out.

Manequin75
06-28-2010, 01:52 PM
Murray/Soderling Vs Roddick


any final prediction that excludes both Fed and Rafa is just a pipedream on crack.

Manequin75
06-28-2010, 01:53 PM
http://sports.betfair.com/
Mens Tournament - To Reach The Final

28.06.2010 - 10:29

Roger Federer 1.7
Rafael Nadal 2.6

Andy Murray 3.55
Robin Soderling 3.8

Andy Roddick 5.3

Novak Djokovic 12
Tomas Berdych 12
Lleyton Hewitt 14

this is objective. but I still have some doubts in nadal, if he plays robin and murray



doubters will doubt...
haters will hate...
challengers will challenge..
champions will prevail.....

Sunset of Age
06-28-2010, 01:53 PM
Bonnie :)

The para above makes sense on most eras. Not when you talk aboyt FED. He is the man. Watch him bull doze everybody now and get back to the finals. I think he will win this tournament again.

Now gotta cheer Rafa to stop making me pull all my hair out.

:lol: - I am as happy as you are, finally a convincing performance from Fed.
But still - too early to already start counting the chickens. ;)

Commander Data
06-28-2010, 01:56 PM
well this match from fed should shut the doubters for atleast Fed getting through. Nobody can stop him. Now lets see if Rafa responds to the challenge for his spot on JUly 4th. Fed is a LOCK.

Go FED!!!!

My doubts are certainly dimished now.. Roddick on a good day is the only real danger I now see.

Manequin75
06-28-2010, 01:56 PM
:lol: - I am as happy as you are, finally a convincing performance from Fed.
But still - too early to already start counting the chickens. ;)


counting the chickens? You kidding me?? my chickens have grown and become hens and are producing more chickens. ALl this dilly dallying with chickens and eggs making me dizzy.

Manequin75
06-28-2010, 01:57 PM
My doubts are certainly dimished now.. Roddick on a good day is the only real danger I now see.


roddick had his chance last year. Not getting another one. This time fed will see him off in max 4 sets.

ORGASMATRON
06-28-2010, 02:02 PM
roddick had his chance last year. Not getting another one. This time fed will see him off in max 4 sets.

i like you. you seem to know your tennis old sport.

Persimmon
06-28-2010, 03:43 PM
Fed will be in the final and win.

Topspin Forehand
06-28-2010, 03:46 PM
Fed will be in the final and win.
Federer will lose to Soderling. Just like the French and losing to a similar player in Del Potro. :wavey:

ORGASMATRON
06-28-2010, 03:47 PM
Federer will lose to Soderling. Just like the French and losing to a similar player in Del Potro. :wavey:

:haha:

Ouragan
06-28-2010, 04:18 PM
Now that Melzer has gracefully tanked to let Fed through, there's nothing to stop a Fedal final from happening again.

Diprosalic
06-28-2010, 04:29 PM
Now that Melzer has gracefully tanked to let Fed through, there's nothing to stop a Fedal final from happening again.

except for soderling and murray in rafas half
and djokovic or hewitt and roddick in rogers half.

tennisace28
06-28-2010, 07:52 PM
fed is getting to the final thanks to his cakewalk draw, but rafa is gonna be beaten by the toad or murray, MARK MY WORDS!!!!!!

vn01
06-28-2010, 07:57 PM
The final is Nole vs. Murray, or Berdych vs. Murray

Persimmon
06-28-2010, 08:19 PM
fed is getting to the final thanks to his cakewalk draw, but rafa is gonna be beaten by the toad or murray, MARK MY WORDS!!!!!!

This.

Manequin75
06-28-2010, 08:56 PM
if neither of Rafa and Fed were to win wimbleodn this year I hope Lu wins it :) dont mind that guy at all. Big heart in a tiny body. What an effort. Hats off!. Go Lu begin chewing on Djkovich now :)

Manequin75
06-30-2010, 09:00 PM
rough day today :(

didn't expect Fed to go out like that.

My weekend wimbledon plans are semi ruined.

Thank God Rafa survived the Sod avalanche.

Now take it to Murray, do you hear rafito? Austrlian open as a heartbreaker.

Sunset of Age
06-30-2010, 09:02 PM
A lot of folks in here who haven't actually seen Federer play since the AO.

Manequin75
06-30-2010, 09:24 PM
yes they have....
just that people find it hard to believe that it would spill into wimbledon
the guy's game is made for grass.

He was playing injured so I excuse him:)

Rafa will step up now and take this. IN all he will play six further sets this tournament :)

star
07-01-2010, 12:35 PM
yes they have....
just that people find it hard to believe that it would spill into wimbledon
the guy's game is made for grass.

He was playing injured so I excuse him:)

Rafa will step up now and take this. IN all he will play six further sets this tournament :)

I wouldn't count on that. Murray is a tough opponent for Rafa. His speed combined with his arsenal of shots, present a challenge.

Priam
07-01-2010, 01:53 PM
Perhaps we'll never see another Fedal GS final.

peribsen
07-03-2010, 02:15 AM
Mr Gamesmanship certainly isn't getting anywhere near the final while Mr Arrogant might.

:rolleyes:
:devil: