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Nadal withdraws from Davis Cup

debby
06-26-2010, 08:12 PM
http://www.lequipe.fr/Tennis/breves2010/20100626_213937_nadal-renonce.html

He says he has a knee pain since Miami (against A-Rod), he felt it against in Monte-Carlo and at Wimbledon again.
As he wants to win the US Open, he wants to rest his right knee. He had some pain in the previous round too.
He says he didn't want to talk about it at Miami because he didn't want to make some excuses :lol:
He rested up his left knee between MC and Rome, it worked, but didn't have some time for his right one.

ORGASMATRON
06-26-2010, 08:17 PM
expected. i actually called this :angel:

elessar
06-26-2010, 08:18 PM
Just read that, apparently he said that if he played DC He'd never make it to the USO :hug:

The French suck ATM but they have a chance to go through now.

Topspin Forehand
06-26-2010, 08:18 PM
:( Nadal injured again.

DrJules
06-26-2010, 08:33 PM
http://www.lequipe.fr/Tennis/breves2010/20100626_213937_nadal-renonce.html

He says he has a knee pain since Miami (against A-Rod), he felt it against in Monte-Carlo and at Wimbledon again.
As he wants to win the US Open, he wants to rest his right knee. He had some pain in the previous round too.
He says he didn't want to talk about it at Miami because he didn't want to make some excuses :lol:
He rested up his left knee between MC and Rome, it worked, but didn't have some time for his right one.

If clay and grass are causing problems he can forget winning on hard courts and possibly needs to consider missing the hard court season as it physically is very hard on the knee.

FedFan
06-26-2010, 08:35 PM
Wow, he is a winner in any case.

If he wins Wimbledon he is a superman, a Spartan, if he loses it is because of his knees, his arms, the umpire not letting uncle phoney coaching him..............

If I am fit I can't lose a match, no?

Certinfy
06-26-2010, 08:36 PM
His knees fucking up again was NID.

dusan1610
06-26-2010, 08:36 PM
:sad:

TheBoiledEgg
06-26-2010, 08:42 PM
making excuses already so when he loses at Wimbledon he's already got an excuse :o :o

Castafiore
06-26-2010, 08:44 PM
http://www.lequipe.fr/Tennis/breves2010/20100626_213937_nadal-renonce.html

He says he has a knee pain since Miami (against A-Rod), he felt it against in Monte-Carlo and at Wimbledon again.
As he wants to win the US Open, he wants to rest his right knee. He had some pain in the previous round too.
He says he didn't want to talk about it at Miami because he didn't want to make some excuses :lol:
He rested up his left knee between MC and Rome, it worked, but didn't have some time for his right one.
He said that he had treatment on his left knee between MC and Rome and it worked really well because he hasn't felt any pain in that knee since then but now, it's his right knee that's bothering him (since the previous match) and they didn't have time between MC and Rome to treat both knees. I figure that they hoped it would hold until they had time to treat both knees. :shrug:

PiggyGotRoasted
06-26-2010, 08:52 PM
He said that he had treatment on his left knee between MC and Rome and it worked really well because he hasn't felt any pain in that knee since then but now, it's his right knee that's bothering him (since the previous match) and they didn't have time between MC and Rome to treat both knees. I figure that they hoped it would hold until they had time to treat both knees. :shrug:

How the hell can you have time to treat one knee but not the other?

As far as I know, you dont have to wait until one "injury" heals before healing the same "injury" on the other side of your body.

ShotmaKer
06-26-2010, 08:57 PM
He said that he had treatment on his left knee between MC and Rome and it worked really well because he hasn't felt any pain in that knee since then but now, it's his right knee that's bothering him (since the previous match) and they didn't have time between MC and Rome to treat both knees. I figure that they hoped it would hold until they had time to treat both knees. :shrug:

the thing is though, in severe cases of chronic tendonitis, no treatments whatsoever will do better than a long rest which would allow the knees to heal properly. although a 6 months break or so is probably out of question for Rafa, he might well end up be forced ton consider such an option.

ORGASMATRON
06-26-2010, 08:59 PM
making excuses already so when he loses at Wimbledon he's already got an excuse :o :o

or he wants to make his opponents relax in an attempt to win wimby :o

Ben.
06-26-2010, 09:04 PM
Stop being so cynical, he was never playing this after 4 solid months of tennis.

jcempire
06-26-2010, 09:06 PM
What a great decision!

The Magician
06-26-2010, 09:06 PM
How convenient he announces this now, when he's facing worldwide criticism for gamesmanship and unfair play. But I'm sure he's just been waiting and it's a total coincidence :rolleyes:

Castafiore
06-26-2010, 09:16 PM
How the hell can you have time to treat one knee but not the other?
I'm not a doctor and judging from your post, I take it that you aren't either, but they usually don't treat both knees at the same time. So, they treat one knee and give it time to properly heal before treating the next.


I do wish that he hadn't brought it up in this presser and just gave a blank statement when he was asked about it. As much as I hate to admit it, looking at it from the other side, it does come across as an excuse.

Corey Feldman
06-26-2010, 09:17 PM
faking it

he'll turn up at the last minute

Tonkie13
06-26-2010, 09:19 PM
HE really is changing his gameplay trying new things, hopefully he soons finds the right click to less kill his knees!

Persimmon
06-26-2010, 09:28 PM
How the hell can you have time to treat one knee but not the other?

As far as I know, you dont have to wait until one "injury" heals before healing the same "injury" on the other side of your body.

Agreed. :o

prafull
06-26-2010, 09:29 PM
Q. Was it fair to be warned about coaching? You looked very angry.

RAFAEL NADAL: Sometimes, yes. Not today, in my opinion. But, yes, sometimes in the past Toni talk maybe too much. And when it happened, and the referee or the umpire give me an advice, and if it is continuing, later a warning.

But not today, in my opinion. Yeah, no.

Q. After your incredible clay court season, now 13 sets in one week in Wimbledon, how are you feeling right now emotionally and physically?

RAFAEL NADAL: Emotionally perfect. I fighted a lot last two matches. I think I played very good tennis. But I told before the tournament, the draw gonna be difficult. That's what happen when you play against these player that they have very good serve. So all decide in a few points and everything is very difficult, no?

Physical, I have a little bit problem on the right knee. But, you know, I have one day and a half to get recovered. I happy to be in the fourth round. For me it very good news, having very tough matches and in the end winning. So that's a very positive thing mentally.

Q. Do you think it's taken you longer to settle in because it's been two years since you've been on grass?

RAFAEL NADAL: No.

Q. You were saying something from the baseline to the umpire, shouting at him, gesturing at him. What were you saying to him?

RAFAEL NADAL: I was saying, We gonna talk with the supervisor later.

Q. And did you?

RAFAEL NADAL: Not yet.

Q. Will you?

RAFAEL NADAL: I will, yeah. I will because today for me wasn't ‑‑ Toni wasn't give me any tip. He was only supporting me. When he put me warning, he said positive, you know.

Q. How much are you worried about your knee? Is there a risk you should skip the Davis Cup tie after Wimbledon?

RAFAEL NADAL: Yeah. Well, sure, I am a little bit scared about the knee. But, you know, it happen. I had a treatment after Monte‑Carlo. So I had the problem. I didn't say nothing before, but you know, guys, how is everything. I had the problem against Roddick in the semifinals of Miami.

I don't like to say nothing in that moment because when you lose, always looks like an excuse. But I can say now I had the problem after I played in Monte‑Carlo with a little bit of pain on the knee, on the left knee, because that's what happened there.

After Monte‑Carlo, I didn't play Barcelona because I had to do a treatment, new treatment. You know, I tried to play the clay season perfect because in that moment the right knee was better than the left. But at the same time I know the knees are not hundred percent recovered. But playing on clay and maybe on grass, if is not very long matches, can work well.

But the last treatments I did between Monte‑Carlo and Rome was perfect. I didn't have no one more problem on the left knee. But just I did one time, and I need to do three times.

I didn't have time to do it at the right knee before because I had to play. The clay season was my main goal of the season. After here I gonna do it another time, no? My goals for me is a big disappointment not be in the Davis Cup on France, you know. Some confrontations, if you play at home against some country, maybe you cannot play this one. But playing in France for me is a very special confrontation and a very big motivation for me.

But I talked with the captain, I talked with the president of the Federation a few days ago, and I said, Guys, I never arrive to the US Open with my hundred percent of conditions. I had last year broken abdominal, two years ago playing crazy here. After Olympics, I did arrive very tired. And I really want to try to go there with my best chances, no, to play, to play my hundred percent.

So I need to do this treatment after here. If I play Davis Cup, I don't have enough time to recover and play tournaments, Cincinnati. Everything was perfect for me last few months, and I need to be ready to finish the season well. My goal is try to keep having the chance to be No. 1 for the rest of the season. That's gonna be difficult. But if you are not in hundred percent of condition, is going to be impossible.

Q. Philipp said you were running exactly the same before and after the timeout. He said you could have played another two or three sets. He said it was a clever timeout because it broke his concentration. What do you think about that?

RAFAEL NADAL: No, everything is fair to think what they want. I never call a treatment ‑‑ I never call the physio when I don't have nothing, not one time in my career. If I call the physio today, it was because it was bothering me a lot, the knee, no?

The last day, it starts a little bit, and I didn't call the physio because I can't resist that. But today I needed to take little bit time. I have the quadriceps muscle very tight and I need to relax it a little bit. Maybe with this relaxation, the knee works a little bit better.

That's why I called the physio.

Q. How bad is your knee right now? You said you're scared. What are you scared of?

RAFAEL NADAL: My knee is like this. I don't know how bad is my knee. My knee, I can finish the match. We will see how is going the next day. But, you know, I am here to try my best and to try to keep in the tournament and playing well, no? I am not thinking about scared or retired or something like this. That's not going to happen.

Q. You did say a little while ago you were scared. What does scare you about the knee, maybe long term if not for this moment?

RAFAEL NADAL: No, no, I not scared, because I know what I have on the knee, is not something new, is something from the past. I know what I have to do to recover the knee. I didn't have time to do it before here. But after, I have the new treatment.

With the new treatment, the left knee works perfect. So when I going to do that to the right, hopefully that's going to be the same.

Q. What special treatment?

RAFAEL NADAL: For me I can't explain now, especially in English. Sorry.

Q. Can you finish the tournament? Do you feel physically strong enough you can really mount a challenge and beat Roger if the occasion comes?

RAFAEL NADAL: I play against Mathieu. Roger in the other part of the draw. I am focused on my part. I won a very important match for me today and I am focused on the next match against Mathieu and playing well. But Mathieu going to be very difficult match.

Q. Was there something with your arm as well that the trainer was looking at?

RAFAEL NADAL: Yes. I called the physio because after one serve I felt something here. But I told the physio I don't want to take out the medical treatment. So Petzschner must know that, too.

I didn't want to have the treatment because I feel it a little bit better after the game. I feel something after one serve. I said to the umpire, Please call the trainer for the next changeover. I can finish the game playing well. When I finish the game, I feel it well, so I don't need the trainer.

Q. Even the best players are involved in tough battles early on. Is this because it's very hot and it's hard to break serve? Is there any other reason the best players are having trouble?

RAFAEL NADAL: It's because we are playing in a very difficult tournament. We're playing in a Grand Slam, the fastest Grand Slam of the world.

If you play against players when they have very good serve, is very difficult to break, break the serve of these players. After that, if you have two bad points with your serve, the match will be very difficult.

Q. We know you're a big football fan, looking forward to Spain and Portugal. What do you think about England and Germany tomorrow?

RAFAEL NADAL: Close. Going to be close. Going to be very nice match, I think. Disappointing for the World Cup have these very strong teams at the Round of 16. But that's the sport. We will see what's happen. But I going to be in front of the TV.

Q. With all the ways your game depends on your legs, the power you get from your legs, with all these problems with your knees, does that affect you at all on court? Do you think about it?

RAFAEL NADAL: No. I was perfect mentally for all the year, no? I think that doesn't affect to my mind. Sometimes in the past, yes, when I don't know exactly what happen. I know right now exactly what happen and what I have to do to pull out this pain.

So I gonna do it after this tournament and try my best on this tournament. I definitely going to have a break to change that I hope for a long time.

Q. The player you played today said there are a lot of players coming up here better than they used to be. They give you a good chase at the moment. Is that what you feel? Are the players that challenge you now at the moment, are they better than they used to be?

RAFAEL NADAL: No. Philipp has very good potential, very good serve, very good forehand, very good slice backhand. He served well all the time, and especially in the difficult moments.

So, no, I think the players are playing similar like always. But on grass, especially everything is more difficult.

Q. Can you clarify about how your arm feels now?

RAFAEL NADAL: The arm is perfect. Work perfect. Perfect. Perfect is perfect.

Looks like all the focus this year is on winning the USO.

prima donna
06-26-2010, 09:32 PM
Such rubbish -- spare us, kid.

Persimmon
06-26-2010, 09:33 PM
Che cazzata.

That's something Fed won't say though.;)

prima donna
06-26-2010, 09:40 PM
That's something Fed won't say though.;)
Probably not, given Roger's complete absence of knowledge of the Italian language. He'd be more likely to describe Nadal's antics as "kuhscheiße".

Persimmon
06-26-2010, 09:43 PM
Probably not, given Roger's complete absence of knowledge of the Italian language. He'd be more likely to describe Nadal's antics as "kuhscheiße".

:lol:

Fed would say that's the price Rafa has to pay for playing one-dimensional tennis.

Ben.
06-26-2010, 09:44 PM
How the hell can you have time to treat one knee but not the other?

As far as I know, you dont have to wait until one "injury" heals before healing the same "injury" on the other side of your body.

Perhaps you must keep the weight off one leg?

Eden
06-26-2010, 09:44 PM
There's no need for Rafa to play the DC anyway as he has already won it several times and Spain is good enough without him as a team.

prima donna
06-26-2010, 09:47 PM
Never before has a greater threat been posed to Nadal's health -- excluding bananas.

Topspin Forehand
06-26-2010, 09:52 PM
Wimbledon is the fastest tournament says Rafa. He knows. He won it to. :) Now it's time to win US Open.

debby
06-26-2010, 10:03 PM
I'm not a doctor and judging from your post, I take it that you aren't either, but they usually don't treat both knees at the same time. So, they treat one knee and give it time to properly heal before treating the next.


I do wish that he hadn't brought it up in this presser and just gave a blank statement when he was asked about it. As much as I hate to admit it, looking at it from the other side, it does come across as an excuse.

Well, if the other knee is holding up, they don't treat both knees at the same time.
But if both knees aren't holding up, they do, because otherwise, Nadal would keep suffering for a few months with a sore knee and another good knee, and with high-level of tennis, it is not adviced at all.

I have a disease on both knees, so my kinesitherapeut advices me to get both knee operated and treated so I could be alright in 2 months even if it would difficult, because I will live alone on September, so to do shopping, to walk to the university, etc. :rolleyes: Nothing to do with tennis 5hours per day. So it surprises me Nadal hasn't even considered to treat both knees at the same time given how it is hard for knees to play a lot of hardcourts if his goal is to win the US Open.

Mjau!
06-26-2010, 10:13 PM
http://www.lequipe.fr/Tennis/breves2010/20100626_213937_nadal-renonce.html

He says he has a knee pain since Miami (against A-Rod), he felt it against in Monte-Carlo and at Wimbledon again.
As he wants to win the US Open, he wants to rest his right knee. He had some pain in the previous round too.
He says he didn't want to talk about it at Miami because he didn't want to make some excuses :lol:
He rested up his left knee between MC and Rome, it worked, but didn't have some time for his right one.

Rafa prefers to wait a few months before excusing his losses and/or just leave it to Tio Toni. :yeah:
Just like last year when it was of the utmost importance to let everyone know that he had been knee injured from Miami-RG, tummy injured from Montreal-USOpen and had a back injury at the YEC. Otherwise, some people may have thought that Nadal lost those matches fair & square and we can't have that, can we?

Zagor
06-26-2010, 10:39 PM
If I'm not mistaken Nadal very rarely plays DC ties when it's outside of Spain anyway so this is hardly a surprise.I think he's also bein extra careful because he's really gunning for that USO title this year.

osmonde
06-26-2010, 10:47 PM
He has played more matches since beginning of march than every other players...because he reached every semis or finals. The only top players to have done so.
One month resting at home will just do him good before hard court run.

And the spanish team is deep with talent, many players to chose from.

brent-o
06-26-2010, 10:48 PM
Ah, I love the smell of hate in the morning. Sorta smells like desperation and fear. Curious.

Anyway, wise decision from Rafa. He's managing his schedule loads better this year.

Mjau!
06-26-2010, 10:53 PM
Why on earth would anyone fear Nadal right now? :confused:

Bargearse
06-26-2010, 10:54 PM
Wish he'd withdraw from Wimbledon, too!;)

Sunset of Age
06-26-2010, 10:57 PM
Very wise decision indeed. :yeah:
It's not like the Spanish team actually needs him, plenty of good players around to take care of the Frenchies. Besides that, it's obvious that Rafa wants to take a serious chance of taking the USO this year, giving him the Career GS - it might well be his best chance up to date.
Whatever people will make out of this, getting a Career GS is a far more important achievement in tennis than winning the DC again, it being an obsolete format anyways...

Corey Feldman
06-26-2010, 10:59 PM
hope Verdasco gets abused to the high heavens again by French crowd

he's never been the same player since that Nice Final, so traumatized he didnt shave since

nobama
06-26-2010, 11:10 PM
Smart move. Who gives a shit about DC anyway.

Johnny Groove
06-26-2010, 11:13 PM
Smart move.

Har-Tru
06-27-2010, 12:38 AM
I've been saying for a long time now Nadal's knees are really fucked up, all this "he's healthy again" thing was bullshit. He'd do better just skipping the entire hard-court season and concentrate on clay and grass solely at this point.

Clay Death
06-27-2010, 12:47 AM
I've been saying for a long time now Nadal's knees are really fucked up, all this "he's healthy again" thing was bullshit. He'd do better just skipping the entire hard-court season and concentrate on clay and grass solely at this point.

it would seem that you and i were both right all along.

he won roland garros while playing at 70% capacity. it was clear that the movement was way off and has been way off for the last 15 months.

i am afraid the knee will only get worse unless he ends his infatuation with hard courts. he just need to make token appearances at the required hard court events and then get the hell out of there.

andy neyer
06-27-2010, 12:53 AM
I've been saying for a long time now Nadal's knees are really fucked up, all this "he's healthy again" thing was bullshit. He'd do better just skipping the entire hard-court season and concentrate on clay and grass solely at this point.

You're starting to sound like Everko, man. You have been saying this months and Nadal totally dominated the clay court season, winning even RG.

Mjau!
06-27-2010, 01:49 AM
He said he was fine until now and that it's "not a big problem"... :shrug:

ORGASMATRON
06-27-2010, 01:54 AM
He said he was fine until now and that it's "not a big problem"... :shrug:

exactly, the tards are just looking for excuses as always :retard:

coonster14
06-27-2010, 02:03 AM
yes that is the right decision by rafa. needs to make sure he is in great shape for the US Open, and i hope he can somehow win it! :)

thrust
06-27-2010, 02:06 AM
:lol:

Fed would say that's the price Rafa has to pay for playing one-dimensional tennis.

H-H: Rafa-14, Roger-7

Slam finals: Rafa-5, Roger-2

So one dimensional beats multi dimentional?

ATP RANKING: RAFA-1, ROGER-2

emotion
06-27-2010, 03:17 AM
I can't help but be incredibly skeptical here...

Machiavelli
06-27-2010, 07:47 AM
Thats utter shit with what he came out! Its his right to skip Davis cup(won it numerous times, spain has a good team anyway), but what a moment he chose? Who forced him to play Miami? Does he ever lose because the other guy was just better that day or is it always injuries that defeat Rafael Parera Nadal?

As soon as you step on the court you are healthy, no injured player goes out and plays...

Yesterday killing the momentum for Petzschner, getting coached during the match by the worst cheater of all UncleToni, he should man up once, yes his knees probably hurt him a lot, but if it is too much then go cure them and don't play, just don't piss on other players efforts when you lose to them....

By the way an injured player never would have demolished everybody during clay season like Rafito did; its just that he is so one-dimensional and beeing a moonballers does not help on grass or hard court, it is obviuos that on those surfaces he can even lose to mediocre players like Haase or Petzschner....

Aenea
06-27-2010, 08:41 AM
So many hatars in this thread :rolleyes:
Funny that when another player gets injured you show a lot of compassion, expressing your support and wishing speedy recovery but when Nadal gets injured you are full of hate and start insulting him as if he's not a human being like everyone else :awww: You are well aware that Rafa has a chronic injury in his knees yet you still accuse him of cheating. How could you be so hateful I don't understand.
As for withdrawing from DC, smart decision. His schedule is full enough and Spanish DC team doesn't really need him, they have a lot of strong players who will be happy to join the team.

Eden
06-27-2010, 08:46 AM
he won roland garros while playing at 70% capacity. it was clear that the movement was way off and has been way off for the last 15 months.


How was he able to win RG this year when he was having problems, just as he did last year, though he lost then?

What do the other players feel when someone who has just won a GS tournament without having lost a set and didn't lost a match in the whole clay season comes up with the stuff which Rafa has said now?

I think nobody is denying that Rafa has indeed chronical knee problems, but no other player on the tour talks as much about an injury problem as him and there are players around who surely suffer the same or even more with injury concerns.


P.S.: By the way Clay Death, would it be possible for you to reduce the size of your signature a bit? You use your signature in every of your posts and it is the biggest one in this forum.

Thanks :)

Dimitra
06-27-2010, 08:55 AM
If clay and grass are causing problems he can forget winning on hard courts and possibly needs to consider missing the hard court season as it physically is very hard on the knee.

yes it will very difficult,but by withdrawing at least he makes the best of the chance he has

If I'm not mistaken Nadal very rarely plays DC ties when it's outside of Spain anyway so this is hardly a surprise.I think he's also bein extra careful because he's really gunning for that USO title this year.

It's not like the DC team can't do without him anyway..;)
It's good to him aiming for the USO title but I really think it will be extremely hard imo,and with the chronic injuries that keep flaring up -as normal tendinitis does,it's going only to get harder.:shrug:

Dimitra
06-27-2010, 08:58 AM
How was he able to win RG this year when he was having problems, just as he did last year, though he lost then?

What do the other players feel when someone who has just won a GS tournament without having lost a set and didn't lost a match in the whole clay season comes up with the stuff which Rafa has said now?

I think nobody is denying that Rafa has indeed chronical knee problems, but no other player on the tour talks as much about an injury problem as him and there are players around who surely suffer the same or even more with injury concerns.


P.S.: By the way Clay Death, would it be possible for you to reduce the size of your signature a bit? You use your signature in every of your posts and it is the biggest one in this forum.

Thanks :)

yes it doesn't sound good,but on the other hand,Rafa is one of the players that are most interviewed and more on the spotlight so it's only normal that we hear more details about his injury.

And if he has it anyway and is in pain and suffering why would he want to keep it secret for other player's feelings?:shrug:

the world is not like mtf,everything gets exaggerated here ;)

Aenea
06-27-2010, 09:04 AM
How was he able to win RG this year when he was having problems, just as he did last year, though he lost then?

What do the other players feel when someone who has just won a GS tournament without having lost a set and didn't lost a match in the whole clay season comes up with the stuff which Rafa has said now?

I think nobody is denying that Rafa has indeed chronical knee problems, but no other player on the tour talks as much about an injury problem as him and there are players around who surely suffer the same or even more with injury concerns.

The fact is that no media cares when Vliegen or Rochus get injured. They are not getting PCs and they are not asked questions. Nadal and Federer are the players who get the most attention and Nadal is always being asked about his health. That’s why you have the impression he's the one who talks so much. The problem is that media only cares to interview the top two players and only writes about them.
As for Rafa finally admitting he’s playing hurt maybe he felt the moment for saying that has arrived as he cannot hide it anymore as it is too visible he's having problems. Had he denied he's injured some would call him a liar as it could be seen he's not well. He has said he's not fully fit and now some are calling him a cheater. Whatever he does is wrong

samanosuke
06-27-2010, 09:05 AM
Now when he won few tournaments tournaments who fucks DC . Last year at the ending of the season when he was ***** and ashamed time after time he was celebrating winning of DC like it means all to him . It's OK to me if someone doesn't want to play DC but then you don't need to play when you want to raise the form and when you in shits . Be the man and say who fucks the DC . No need to lie - the same thing happened with Barcelona tournament this year . He canceled tournament " which means all to him " due to injury and week after he was running like horse . Poor Rafa tards . All these people are living in blunder how he is nice and great

FedFan
06-27-2010, 09:07 AM
Thats utter shit with what he came out! Its his right to skip Davis cup(won it numerous times, spain has a good team anyway), but what a moment he chose? Who forced him to play Miami? Does he ever lose because the other guy was just better that day or is it always injuries that defeat Rafael Parera Nadal?

As soon as you step on the court you are healthy, no injured player goes out and plays...

Yesterday killing the momentum for Petzschner, getting coached during the match by the worst cheater of all UncleToni, he should man up once, yes his knees probably hurt him a lot, but if it is too much then go cure them and don't play, just don't piss on other players efforts when you lose to them....

By the way an injured player never would have demolished everybody during clay season like Rafito did; its just that he is so one-dimensional and beeing a moonballers does not help on grass or hard court, it is obviuos that on those surfaces he can even lose to mediocre players like Haase or Petzschner....

:worship: He has once again created a win win situation. If he loses poor Nadal is injured, if he wins he is a Spartan. ;)

Eden
06-27-2010, 09:32 AM
yes it doesn't sound good,but on the other hand,Rafa is one of the players that are most interviewed and more on the spotlight so it's only normal that we hear more details about his injury.

That's true of course that he gets more attention as he is the #1, but it's still up to the players to talk about such things.


And if he has it anyway and is in pain and suffering why would he want to keep it secret for other player's feelings?:shrug:

Of course he is allowed to talk about it, yet it sounds a bit weird a player mentioning having an injury when he has been so dominant in the past weeks and months...


the world is not like mtf,everything gets exaggerated here ;)

Yes, that's right.


The fact is that no media cares when Vliegen or Rochus get injured. They are not getting PCs and they are not asked questions. Nadal and Federer are the players who get the most attention and Nadal is always being asked about his health. That’s why you have the impression he's the one who talks so much. The problem is that media only cares to interview the top two players and only writes about them.

Of course these players get PCs as well, but you are right that the media more cares about the topplayers.


As for Rafa finally admitting he’s playing hurt maybe he felt the moment for saying that has arrived as he cannot hide it anymore as it is too visible he's having problems.

Had he denied he's injured some would call him a layer as it could be seen he's not well. He has said he's not fully fit and now some are calling him a cheater. Whatever he does is wrong

The point is when you bring up something about injuries. He didn't mentioned anything until yesterday as far as I know.

As I said it is no secret that Rafa has his knee problems which will surely never go away adding to this the fact that he is meanwhile a professional player for so many years and the body is paying the price for it.

He has learned to listen to his body as we have seen when he skipped Rotterdam, Dubai and Barcelona and it is surely the right decision not to play the DC.

Eden
06-27-2010, 09:37 AM
clay death is just in denial over his god. he cant stand the fact that nadal plays a game that was always going to lead to his downfall. so now hes whole world is disintegrating. and as his denial increases his sig gets bigger. poor old chap :awww:

There's no need for personal attacks in a post, whether one agrees with the opinion of someone or not ;)

ossie
06-27-2010, 09:44 AM
good idea, hes should skip every tournament after wimbly as well until the usopen

Dimitra
06-27-2010, 09:57 AM
Of course he is allowed to talk about it, yet it sounds a bit weird a player mentioning having an injury when he has been so dominant in the past weeks and months...

The point is when you bring up something about injuries. He didn't mentioned anything until yesterday as far as I know.

As I said it is no secret that Rafa has his knee problems which will surely never go away adding to this the fact that he is meanwhile a professional player for so many years and the body is paying the price for it.

He has learned to listen to his body as we have seen when he skipped Rotterdam, Dubai and Barcelona and it is surely the right decision not to play the DC.

Well it could be he was dominant in spite of his injury.:shrug:
After all such chronic tendonitis doesn't go away and it's going to come back always especially as he plays more and more.I know what you question really here is the timing of this statement however it would be imo too far fetched to get into paranoic excuse conspiracies etc,and we have to give him the "benefit of a doubt" that he's just being honest and felt like telling it just now.:shrug:

the haters and tards of both sides can say whatever they want if Rafa ends up losing or wining, it will be it,no matter if he's injured or not.:shrug: :wavey:

ORGASMATRON
06-27-2010, 09:59 AM
There's no need for personal attacks in a post, whether one agrees with the opinion of someone or not ;)

i realized its not worth it to go sink to clay deaths level, thats why i deleted it :rolleyes:

Aenea
06-27-2010, 10:04 AM
The point is when you bring up something about injuries. He didn't mentioned anything until yesterday as far as I know.

If it were you what moment would you choose to admit you are injured? Surely not while you still can cope with the pain. But when it is already clear you are having problems with your health it would be stupid to insist you are OK as everyone can see you are not OK. We can't know what Rafa's actual condition is.

Tutu
06-27-2010, 10:18 AM
How the hell can you have time to treat one knee but not the other?

As far as I know, you dont have to wait until one "injury" heals before healing the same "injury" on the other side of your body.
Agreed. :o
Stupid comments. :shrug: He said that one knee was bothering him around MC so he treated that one alone. If the other knee was perfect, why the hell would he treat it? It seems the other knee has flared up since then and he needs to rest it.

And people need to stop being so dramatic. Injuries happen, for example Venus and Serena have both been suffering from chronic knee tendonitis for the last 11 and 8 years respectively. Venus is still by far the fastest player on tour aged 30. He is going to have to be much more careful, play less events and have rest periods just like them, but it is manageable and he will manage.

Castafiore
06-27-2010, 10:22 AM
The point is when you bring up something about injuries. He didn't mentioned anything until yesterday as far as I know.
His right knee is only giving him problems since a couple of days, which is why he only brought it up recently. :shrug: You can't expect him to talk about future problems. He did add that it's not a major problem.
As I mentioned somewhere before in here, I wish he'd given a blank statement when asked about his knees, his physical state, instead of talking about his injury worries. I can understand how it comes across as an excuse.

However, I think that Rafa doesn't think it's fair to mention an injury when you've just lost because to him, that seems to come across as an excuse. Hence him not bringing it up after losing in Miami. He seems to think that it's not an excuse used by a poor loser when you bring it up after a victory.

I could be wrong, obviously, but that's my impression of his notion of "excuse".

paseo
06-27-2010, 10:45 AM
Nadal should have picked better timing for this kind of thing. This announcement feels like an attempt to distract or maybe justify the injury time out against Petzschner. It's like he's trying to get sympathy or understanding. Maybe he should've said this after his tournament ends. I don't know,

The disappointing thing is that now Nadal's making excuses himself. I really don't care when his uncle, his fans, or his tards here are making it for him. I still think that Nadal should have said this after he's out of the tournament, not while he's still in it. Especially not after a match that some tennis people thought he won by faking or gamesmanship.

Eden
06-27-2010, 10:53 AM
His right knee is only giving him problems since a couple of days, which is why he only brought it up recently. :shrug: You can't expect him to talk about future problems. He did add that it's not a major problem.
As I mentioned somewhere before in here, I wish he'd given a blank statement when asked about his knees, his physical state, instead of talking about his injury worries. I can understand how it comes across as an excuse.

Hilde, he mentioned in his presser yesterday that his knees haven't been recovered and that there was no time for treatment for the right knee. That means that he had played with problems during Rome, Madrid and Paris.



Q. How much are you worried about your knee? Is there a risk you should skip the Davis Cup tie after Wimbledon?

RAFAEL NADAL: Yeah. Well, sure, I am a little bit scared about the knee. But, you know, it happen. I had a treatment after Monte‑Carlo. So I had the problem. I didn't say nothing before, but you know, guys, how is everything. I had the problem against Roddick in the semifinals of Miami.

I don't like to say nothing in that moment because when you lose, always looks like an excuse. But I can say now I had the problem after I played in Monte‑Carlo with a little bit of pain on the knee, on the left knee, because that's what happened there.

After Monte‑Carlo, I didn't play Barcelona because I had to do a treatment, new treatment. You know, I tried to play the clay season perfect because in that moment the right knee was better than the left. But at the same time I know the knees are not hundred percent recovered. But playing on clay and maybe on grass, if is not very long matches, can work well.

But the last treatments I did between Monte‑Carlo and Rome was perfect. I didn't have no one more problem on the left knee. But just I did one time, and I need to do three times.

I didn't have time to do it at the right knee before because I had to play. The clay season was my main goal of the season.


However, I think that Rafa doesn't think it's fair to mention an injury when you've just lost because to him, that seems to come across as an excuse. Hence him not bringing it up after losing in Miami. He seems to think that it's not an excuse used by a poor loser when you bring it up after a victory.

I could be wrong, obviously, but that's my impression of his notion of "excuse".

I don't remember his presser from the match where he lost to Roddick, but it was the match where he hit on his knee whilst sitting on a chair and said something ;)

Ales_Alessandra
06-27-2010, 11:47 AM
Nadal should have picked better timing for this kind of thing. This announcement feels like an attempt to distract or maybe justify the injury time out against Petzschner. It's like he's trying to get sympathy or understanding. Maybe he should've said this after his tournament ends. I don't know,

The disappointing thing is that now Nadal's making excuses himself. I really don't care when his uncle, his fans, or his tards here are making it for him. I still think that Nadal should have said this after he's out of the tournament, not while he's still in it. Especially not after a match that some tennis people thought he won by faking or gamesmanship.

Maybe he decided to to it now because the official list for the Spanish team is coming on tuesday. So I guess better saying that while winning than byt the time he loses, or just to avoid explanations during Wimbly once the list would come out without his name.

Corey Feldman
06-27-2010, 11:52 AM
he cant seem to make up his mind how injured his knee's are.. he says 5 different things in one interview ffs

Castafiore
06-27-2010, 12:29 PM
Hilde, he mentioned in his presser yesterday that his knees haven't been recovered and that there was no time for treatment for the right knee. That means that he had played with problems during Rome, Madrid and Paris.
Doris, his knees will always be a problem. :shrug: It's not the sort of problem he can fully recover from.

So, the knees needed further treatment since he has the type of injury on his knees that is chronic which is why, I assume, he's looking for treatment on both his knees. When he talks about knee injuries, it's mostly not a new injury but an existing problem flaring up.

After and during Miami, it was his left knee that was bothering him and with not enough time, he had only his left knee treated and he skipped Barcelona.

His knees are always a bother, sadly, but the right knee only started to flare up a couple of days ago.

I don't remember his presser from the match where he lost to Roddick, but it was the match where he hit on his knee whilst sitting on a chair and said something ;)
So? He didn't use an excuse in his presser, did he?

PiggyGotRoasted
06-27-2010, 12:50 PM
Im not personally attacking anyone here, but it seems over the course of the last year here on mtf I have had 6 warnings for "Wishing death". If anyone else has had a warning before what on earth is that for? Most of them have been a thread I make such as WWW: Sampras V Dokic if Sampras used a wooden racket, which even if isnt the best topic is not wrong and I get a warning for it and thread deleted.

Dmitry Verdasco
06-27-2010, 12:57 PM
Stupid comments. :shrug: He said that one knee was bothering him around MC so he treated that one alone. If the other knee was perfect, why the hell would he treat it? It seems the other knee has flared up since then and he needs to rest it.

And people need to stop being so dramatic. Injuries happen, for example Venus and Serena have both been suffering from chronic knee tendonitis for the last 11 and 8 years respectively. Venus is still by far the fastest player on tour aged 30. He is going to have to be much more careful, play less events and have rest periods just like them, but it is manageable and he will manage.

Serena sucks bitch, get over it.

Har-Tru
06-27-2010, 12:59 PM
You're starting to sound like Everko, man. You have been saying this months and Nadal totally dominated the clay court season, winning even RG.

The fact that he won clay doesn't mean his knees were healthy. He won those tournaments playing far from his best, and I'm sure while clay gives his knees a breath, he's been troubled all along and the tear and wear is starting to show again.

He said he was fine until now and that it's "not a big problem"... :shrug:

Oh so if he said, it must be true then.

It's not like he's ever lied about the extent of his knee problems.

Castafiore
06-27-2010, 01:03 PM
The fact that he won clay doesn't mean his knees were healthy.
Sure. His knee problem is chronic. It goes without saying that it just doesn't disappear. No use pretending it.

You did say well before RG that he would never win another slam and he did so without dropping a set. :p
If you say enough things often enough, the chance that you'll be able to write on MTF "I told you so" will be high. Right?

Corey Feldman
06-27-2010, 01:04 PM
He's too important for DC like he's too important to meet Queen

Har-Tru
06-27-2010, 01:05 PM
Sure. His knee problem is chronic. It goes without saying that it just doesn't disappear. No use pretending it.

You did say well before RG that he would never win another slam and he did so without dropping a set. :p
If you say enough things often enough, the chance that you'll be able to wrote on MTF "I told you so" will be high. Right?

Finally someone that understands my tactics! :yeah:

Seriously now though, I just love to make predictions even if I'm often wrong, but all I say, I think.

Commander Data
06-27-2010, 01:23 PM
Clay season over = Rafas problems pilling up. nothing new here...

ORGASMATRON
06-27-2010, 03:33 PM
Clay season over = Rafas problems pilling up. nothing new here...

lol

Persimmon
06-27-2010, 03:40 PM
Clay season over = Rafas problems pilling up. nothing new here...

Agreed.

Johnny Groove
06-27-2010, 03:41 PM
I'd rather see him pull out of Davis Cup than struggle through yet another American hardcourt summer.

Dmitry Verdasco
06-27-2010, 03:42 PM
KEEP FIGHTING RAFA! SUCH A WARRIOR! DON'T LET THE HATERZ GET U DOWN! :hug:

Jomp1
06-27-2010, 04:25 PM
He should play Wimbledon, rest, warmup with some tournament and play USO and then rest until Australia.. He's looking to end his career early at this rate.

Tonkie13
06-27-2010, 04:27 PM
He should play Wimbledon, rest, warmup with some tournament and play USO and then rest until Australia.. He's looking to end his career early at this rate.

HE should just play only GS's, WTF, Masters 1000 and Rotterdam for 2 years and of course davis cup!

Commander Data
06-27-2010, 04:32 PM
He should focus on playstation for one year then comeback and take the CYGS.

Dmitry Verdasco
06-27-2010, 04:33 PM
They'll win without him anyway. Quit playin.

tektonac
06-27-2010, 04:39 PM
Clay season over = Rafas problems pilling up. nothing new here...

spot on + to much heat for his MTOs and coaching during matches at wimby.

ORGASMATRON
06-27-2010, 04:53 PM
its funny how tards like nadalsharapova said nadal would win 20+ slams after he won the FO. classic MTF.

Har-Tru
06-27-2010, 06:13 PM
HE should just play only GS's, WTF, Masters 1000 and Rotterdam for 2 years and of course davis cup!

So basically the same he's playing now.

Corey Feldman
06-27-2010, 06:27 PM
Clay season over = Rafas problems pilling up. nothing new here...

Agreed.Agree'd on what? he's faking ffs

guy doesnt know the true meaning of being injured

Fiberlight1
06-27-2010, 06:35 PM
its funny how tards like nadalsharapova said nadal would win 20+ slams after he won the FO. classic MTF.

Not this shit again :rolleyes:

Johnny Groove
06-27-2010, 06:35 PM
Agree'd on what? he's faking ffs

guy doesnt know the true meaning of being injured

I'm sure you know much more about injuries than Nadal.

ORGASMATRON
06-27-2010, 06:37 PM
Not this shit again :rolleyes:

what shit? that you tards never know when to stop?

Fiberlight1
06-27-2010, 06:42 PM
what shit? that you tards never know when to stop?

Didn't your ban just end? You should probably be careful what you say ;)

ORGASMATRON
06-27-2010, 06:50 PM
:kiss:

Commander Data
06-27-2010, 07:33 PM
Didn't your ban just end? You should probably be careful what you say ;)

Yeah, c'mon pull yourself together Ruanz. We need you here to keep the balance of the forces on MTF.

ORGASMATRON
06-27-2010, 07:38 PM
Yeah, c'mon pull yourself together Ruanz. We need you here to keep the balance of the forces on MTF.

Ru-an lol. i know these tards are trying to get me banned again cos im an expert at exposing them :devil:

Commander Data
06-27-2010, 07:46 PM
Ru-an lol. i know these tards are trying to get me banned again cos im an expert at exposing them :devil:

Yeah, I know, I mispelled you, sorry.

ORGASMATRON
06-27-2010, 07:48 PM
Yeah, I know, I mispelled you, sorry.

no worries :yeah:

Matt01
06-27-2010, 07:52 PM
Clay season over = Rafas problems pilling up. nothing new here...


That shows how hard it is to win all these clay tournaments ;)
Clay season is too much packed as well :angel:

Matt01
06-27-2010, 07:53 PM
Ru-an lol. i know these tards are trying to get me banned again cos im an expert at exposing them :devil:


:lol: Never laughed so hard.

ORGASMATRON
06-27-2010, 07:56 PM
:lol: Never laughed so hard.

im happy for you old sport. there is no faster way towards healing than through laughter :yeah:

Matt01
06-27-2010, 07:58 PM
im happy for you old sport. there is no faster way towards healing than through laughter :yeah:


Thanks. And I already thought I ended up on your ignore list :yeah:

Now cut your trolling (=Rafa bashing) and I won't report you :kiss:

ORGASMATRON
06-27-2010, 08:03 PM
:lol:

Sapeod
06-27-2010, 08:05 PM
Thanks. And I already thought I ended up on your ignore list :yeah:

Now cut your trolling (=Rafa bashing) and I won't report you :kiss:
You are such a grass :o Why do you report everyone and everything? :baby: :baby: You have insulted me a few times, and I never reported you :shrug:

Matt01
06-27-2010, 08:13 PM
You are such a grass :o Why do you report everyone and everything? :baby: :baby: You have insulted me a few times, and I never reported you :shrug:


Can't remember that I insulted you. :shrug:

And actually I haven't reported anyone here in ages. I just wanted to warn my good old friend Ruanz before he gets permabanned :angel:

Sapeod
06-27-2010, 08:15 PM
Can't remember that I insulted you. :shrug:

And actually I haven't reported anyone here in ages. I just wanted to warn my good old friend Ruanz before he gets permabanned :angel:
A lot of the time I see you, you're threatening to report someone :o

ORGASMATRON
06-27-2010, 08:15 PM
You are such a grass :o Why do you report everyone and everything? :baby: :baby: You have insulted me a few times, and I never reported you :shrug:

i never reported him either. the tards like to play it dirty because they cant stand up for own tardish posts when confronted. its the way of the tard :smash:

tangerine_dream
06-27-2010, 08:15 PM
Rafa has proven his commitment to DC time and again, and has helped his team win it, so I think he deserves to take a break every now and then and focus on being 100% healthy for US Open. At this point he doesn't owe anyone anything.

Arkulari
06-27-2010, 09:41 PM
Expected, the team has proven they can win without him and he needs the rest after all he's played :)

born_on_clay
06-27-2010, 10:10 PM
good decision from Rafa
he needs to do the theraphy on his right knee just after Wimbledon

Corey Feldman
06-27-2010, 10:28 PM
i'm sure Spartanicus will turn up for the final and take all the glory again :rolleyes:

star
06-27-2010, 10:29 PM
i'm sure Spartanicus will turn up for the final and take all the glory again :rolleyes:

Trying the jinxing again. :rolleyes:

Nadal's not getting past the quarters.

DrJules
06-27-2010, 10:44 PM
You are such a grass :o Why do you report everyone and everything? :baby: :baby: You have insulted me a few times, and I never reported you :shrug:

It is the grass season what do you expect.

Pirata.
06-28-2010, 03:06 PM
i know these tards are trying to get me banned again cos im an expert at exposing them :devil:

:worship: You legend.


Trying the jinxing again. :rolleyes:

Nadal's not getting past the quarters.

They're talking about the Davis Cup finals, where just like last year, Rafa showed up to play in the final and got all the praise from the media and Zapatero and the rest of the team's accomplishments were belittled or ignored.