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Why isn't Isner more successful on grass?

Navratil
06-26-2010, 02:34 PM
With his serve grass should be his favorite surface. But it obviously isn't. John Isner had a fantastic season, broke into the top 20 but he still never won two matches in a row on grass. He was seeded lower than his ranking is in Wimbledon. Isn't that weired?

Why doesn't he feel more comfortable on grass? Are the balls to heavy? At least he broke the record of aces in his last match. ;)

Action Jackson
06-26-2010, 02:36 PM
Return.

ORGASMATRON
06-26-2010, 02:37 PM
cos he plays matches that goes till 70-68 in the 5th ;)

DartMarcus
06-26-2010, 02:37 PM
He always comes to grass court season being injured, ill or dead tired.

Jomp1
06-26-2010, 02:38 PM
Still a limited player, serve means a lot but not everything. Has big problems winning return games for one.

Johnny Groove
06-26-2010, 02:39 PM
He always comes to grass court season being injured, ill or dead tired.

That was definitely the case this year.

Insanely long clay season.

philosophicalarf
06-26-2010, 02:39 PM
Same reason he didn't do well in most of the indoor season: he struggles to get into position, and can't return for crap. He's actually better on slower surfaces cos his serve is only marginally less effective - he can just use wider angles and higher bounce instead of pace. However, his ground game and especially returns benefit hugely, more than compensating for the minimal hit on his serve numbers.

When you have a forehand that can easily clear 100mph, and sometimes 110mph, the speed of the surface basically doesn't matter. Unfortunately for him, the conditions in Miami and Aus are harsh on a big guy, which mainly just leaves Indian Wells.

Navratil
06-26-2010, 02:40 PM
But his groundstrokes including return are not weaker than Karlovic's for example!

Jimnik
06-26-2010, 02:44 PM
Because grass isn't just about serving.

philosophicalarf
06-26-2010, 02:46 PM
But his groundstrokes including return are not weaker than Karlovic's for example!

Yes. Karlovic is all serve though, so is better the faster the court. Isner is more than serve, but he can't use the rest of his game on grass or faster hard.

Anderson is the same, he's said he prefers a midpace high bounce hard court. It's also true for some normal-sized guys like Tsonga, who does best in Australia (sf/qf/final last 3 years) cos he can actually make some returns there.

juan77
06-26-2010, 04:25 PM
Maybe 10-15 years ago he would have done well on grass. Back then big servers used to go deep on the strength of their serve alone.

DrJules
06-26-2010, 04:27 PM
Return.

And movement on grass.

Probably both linked.

fran70
06-26-2010, 04:51 PM
Return.

I agree with you. Inspite of he improved a lot on his game on the past year and a half his return of serve is still his weakness point.

If he can improve on that department he definitely has the game to make some damage on this kind of surface

BigJohn
06-26-2010, 05:04 PM
He's heavy and tall.

GasquetFan
06-26-2010, 05:21 PM
No stamina?

Priam
06-26-2010, 05:39 PM
I'd have fancied him to go deeper this year had 70-68 not happened.

shadows
06-26-2010, 05:55 PM
Poor movement and a poor return game.

thrust
06-26-2010, 06:29 PM
Because grass isn't just about serving.

Without his great serving, he would not have won that match. A great serve is a huge asset on grass. It could be that John's body is just a bit too large for tennis.

DrJules
06-26-2010, 08:03 PM
No stamina?

:lol::lol::lol:

Topspin Forehand
06-26-2010, 08:07 PM
Awful return. Movement being part of that. He's just another Karlovic.

jcempire
06-26-2010, 08:38 PM
Agree. Return is huge...but he not play his best which means he's very inconsistent

straitup
06-26-2010, 08:42 PM
He'll be good I think on it...he hasn't really played much on it at all, if I'm right, he lost to Gulbis in 2008 (first Wimbledon), and then didn't play last year. He's got the game for it, obviously this year he wasn't going to do too much after 70-68. Hard courts will always be his best surface though

laurie-1
06-26-2010, 09:20 PM
With his serve grass should be his favorite surface. But it obviously isn't. John Isner had a fantastic season, broke into the top 20 but he still never won two matches in a row on grass. He was seeded lower than his ranking is in Wimbledon. Isn't that weired?

Why doesn't he feel more comfortable on grass? Are the balls to heavy? At least he broke the record of aces in his last match. ;)

The other chaps here have put all of the answers together:

- Too tall so lack of movement and lack of athleticism
- Return of serve, he needs to improve that drammatically by thinking more tactically when returning serve.

I sound like a broken record but I will say it again (for the 1000th time on various forums and articles) As Sampras has always said, its not the serve that wins Wimbledon, its the return of serve that wins Wimbledon.

Perhaps the Media is at fault for drumming into peroples heads that if you have a great serve that automatically makes you a contender at Wimbledon and you don't have to be good at anything else. That couldn't be further from the truth and people need to stop focusing on the big serve to determine how good a player is.

Zagor
06-26-2010, 10:34 PM
The other chaps here have put all of the answers together:

- Too tall so lack of movement and lack of athleticism
- Return of serve, he needs to improve that drammatically by thinking more tactically when returning serve.

I sound like a broken record but I will say it again (for the 1000th time on various forums and articles) As Sampras has always said, its not the serve that wins Wimbledon, its the return of serve that wins Wimbledon.

Perhaps the Media is at fault for drumming into peroples heads that if you have a great serve that automatically makes you a contender at Wimbledon and you don't have to be good at anything else. That couldn't be further from the truth and people need to stop focusing on the big serve to determine how good a player is.

Completely agree,I'm also a bit tired from reading all the time how if grass was returned to its 90s speed we'd see Isner or Karlovic winning or reaching the finals at Wimbledon or something(which is pure nonsense IMO).

Sure serve is a big part of success on grass,however return of serve and athleticism can count for almost as much.I think for example Goran's athleticism is underrated,people only talk about his serve but forget how well he could move for a big guy.