Wimbledon R3: A. Roddick (5) def. P. Kohlschreiber (29) 7-5, 6-7, 6-3, 6-3 [Archive] - MensTennisForums.com

Wimbledon R3: A. Roddick (5) def. P. Kohlschreiber (29) 7-5, 6-7, 6-3, 6-3

River
06-25-2010, 07:01 PM
Good match. Kohl had a good chance until he started bashing the balls. Roddick stayed consistent and sometimes way too passive which he paid for. The ending was exciting! Kohl fought hard to the end.

Roddick advances to the Round of 16. Good Luck, Andy!

Good luck Kohl for the rest of the year, too!

Smoke944
06-25-2010, 07:02 PM
Far too passive, he's going to need to play better...

orangehat
06-25-2010, 07:02 PM
and I thought isner was one-dimensional.

The Magician
06-25-2010, 07:03 PM
Get's to play Lu next round :cool: Can't wait for Roddick/Hewitt 5 setter coming up :p

DuMa
06-25-2010, 07:05 PM
If only Roddick made that diving passing shot to close it out.

Tommy_Vercetti
06-25-2010, 07:05 PM
Thing about ball bashers is that whenever they know they are going to lose, they start hitting desperate shots to extend the matches and get praise. It's irritating, not exciting. Try and play to win sometime Kohl.

straitup
06-25-2010, 07:06 PM
Good win by Roddick, thought Kohlschreiber would make it go 5 but it was not to be.

HoistDaColors
06-25-2010, 07:09 PM
some good points here and there but most of the intensity was at the end of the match.

congrats to andy! He was the more consistent player and his serve is still his biggest asset.

why doesn't kohlschreiber believe in his own talent...only he knows the answer.

ORGASMATRON
06-25-2010, 07:17 PM
kohl clowned it up when he lost serve in the 1st game of the third. he also wasted 3 consecutive BPs on roddicks serve in the 3rd. the last two was unreturnable serves, but the first one was a second serve which he missed for no reason. thats a no-no vs roddick. he also wasted BP's on other occasions. cant expect to win that way against roddick.

TMJordan
06-25-2010, 07:18 PM
Ugly tennis wins agin. What a surprise. (NOT!)

Priam
06-25-2010, 07:20 PM
I actually thought it would go 5. Who knows what would've happened in the 5th.

mcnasty
06-25-2010, 07:26 PM
roddick took one on the chin in the 2nd set but got up like a champ.

marquez
06-25-2010, 07:28 PM
seriously, this roddick cant play

mcnasty
06-25-2010, 07:28 PM
If only Roddick made that diving passing shot to close it out.

and yeah that woulda been sweet.

MacTheKnife
06-25-2010, 07:39 PM
A-rod is playing his way into match shape. Stepped it up at the critical times, but a little to much waiting for kohli to miss.

Geo
06-25-2010, 07:49 PM
as has become Roddick's strategy in the last few years, he was mostly letting his opponent dictate the rallies. Luckily for Roddick, Kohlschreiber was not as consistent as when they played at the AO in 2008. This kind of play will allow Roddick to breeze to the QF. He might reach the SF but not the final :shrug: I don't see any improvements in his game-he's just trying to be consistent all the time and make his opponent play.

tangerine_dream
06-25-2010, 08:07 PM
Good win for Andy. He still gets too passive and comfortable though, allowing players into his game. The last two sets were much better from him.

Glad Llodra and Kohls have pushed him a bit, he needs it going into the second week.

Corey Feldman
06-25-2010, 08:08 PM
Kohlschreiber used to be good

star
06-25-2010, 08:09 PM
seriously, this roddick cant play

:hug: :hug: You are so clueless.

LleytonMonfils
06-25-2010, 08:09 PM
Roddick knows what he is doing fellas. You really think the Kohl from AO 2008 was going to show up? Andy knew he wasn't and played the proper tactics to win the match. He knew Kohl was going to make a handful of "Wow" shots but at the same time he was going to make a good chunk of errors going for those "Wow" shots. That is the type of player Kohl is on most days, inconsistent. If people can't see that Roddick's backhand has gotten better and better than I have nothing more to say to you. Not saying it is some elite weapon now, but it is at least a side he can actually hit a winner off of now.

What some of you are doing is making the mistake of letting his tactics from this match, lead you to believe this is what he is going to do for the whole tournament. Every match is played different and as long as Andy is serving well he'll give himself a chance in any match. I like his draw and really believe he gets past the ever declining Federer to reach the final when all is said and done.

HoistDaColors
06-25-2010, 08:09 PM
I don't see any improvements in his game-he's just trying to be consistent all the time and make his opponent play.

I still don't like his game but compare to what he was able to do in 2008 AO, this version of Roddick is a lot better. His reaction up at the net is quicker; his shots are deeper. Yes, maybe he's still passive in terms of construction of points but he's good enough to hold his ground to make his opponents miss and hit a few winners along the way. The 2008 AO match, Kohli had over 100 winners but a lot had to do with Roddick's shots landing well within the court and sitting up for easy winners.

Smoke944
06-25-2010, 08:14 PM
seriously, this roddick cant play

unexpected one from a knowledgeable poster such as yourself

marquez
06-25-2010, 08:20 PM
:hug: :hug: You are so clueless.

you are the star obviously :worship:

not when it comes to tennis though :wavey:

TMJordan
06-25-2010, 08:22 PM
Gets Lu in the next round....the joke continues.

LleytonMonfils
06-25-2010, 08:26 PM
Gets Lu in the next round....the joke continues.

HAHAHA Driving Drunk... CLASSIC!!!

marquez
06-25-2010, 08:30 PM
unexpected one from a knowledgeable poster such as yourself

just dont like his game, dont even think it is smart to play the way he does

it has been said so often, but its still true
pushing might lead him to the semis but if he went for his shots he could be so much better
its not like the serve doesn't give him enough free points to risk a bit more in the rallies
in Miami/IW he was going for his shots, so much better then

so yeah, at this moment from what he has shown in the past few weeks, I have to say that he is nowhere near a top10 player, I'm even risking more bad blood here by saying he is not even top50 when the ball is in play(sela match in queens showed it clearly imo)

serve helps him a lot on this surface, thats okay as it is a part of the game
but if he played a player like hewitt or someone else who can read his serve better than kohli, he would lose probably(I even believe gaba could have done better than kohli today)
doesn't need to be that way, but it looks like roddick has decided a long time ago that this is the perfect style for him and is not willing to change

you americans are still allowed to be proud of him, he is your best player and a banker for the qfs in every slam apart from RG

I would probably see him differently if he was from my country too

Roamed
06-25-2010, 08:34 PM
Watched the fourth set only, but there were some nice shots especially by Kohlschreiber. Kohli rather gifted the break then with errors but no doubt Roddick would have won the set anyway, he was very good on serve.

Selby
06-25-2010, 08:51 PM
just dont like his game, dont even think it is smart to play the way he does

it has been said so often, but its still true
pushing might lead him to the semis but if he went for his shots he could be so much better
its not like the serve doesn't give him enough free points to risk a bit more in the rallies
in Miami/IW he was going for his shots, so much better then

so yeah, at this moment from what he has shown in the past few weeks, I have to say that he is nowhere near a top10 player, I'm even risking more bad blood here by saying he is not even top50 when the ball is in play(sela match in queens showed it clearly imo)

serve helps him a lot on this surface, thats okay as it is a part of the game
but if he played a player like hewitt or someone else who can read his serve better than kohli, he would lose probably(I even believe gaba could have done better than kohli today)
doesn't need to be that way, but it looks like roddick has decided a long time ago that this is the perfect style for him and is not willing to change

you americans are still allowed to be proud of him, he is your best player and a banker for the qfs in every slam apart from RG

I would probably see him differently if he was from my country too

But why are you so sure that's the way he's going to play against Hewitt/Djokovic? Didn't he already prove he can change his style and tactics in the big matches?
There is a long list of matches of him in the last 18 months(under Stefanki) where he did anything but pushing, just not in the last few weeks, so what? He's playing himself into form so in the big games he can play like you and I think he should play in big games.

marquez
06-25-2010, 08:53 PM
But why are you so sure that's the way he's going to play against Hewitt/Djokovic? Didn't he already prove he can change his style and tactics in the big matches?
There is a long list of matches of him in the last 18 months(under Stefanki) where he did anything but pushing, just not in the last few weeks, so what? He's playing himself into form so in the big games he can play like you and I think he should play in big games.

dont see it happening

it's not like kohli wasn't dangerous, he had 7 bps
no reason to save the big shots for later imo
and kohli was far from his best

Selby
06-25-2010, 09:01 PM
dont see it happening

it's not like kohli wasn't dangerous, he had 7 bps
no reason to save the big shots for later imo
and kohli was far from his best

How can you not see something that has happened plenty of times before happening again?
You gave Miami as an example, you do realize he was pushing like hell in the entire tournament until the 2nd set against Nadal?
Wimbledon last year, just like today he played like he pusher with a big serve, then against Hewitt played a little bit better and then against Murray came to the net often and went for some shots, and the same against Federer.
I'm not saying he was saving anything, he's just not ready to do that but that's exactly the benefit of matches like this. Passing tough tests like Llodra and Kohli does miracles to your confidence in your game and from now on he should get much better.
This is only the 3rd round, he came to this match with specific tactics, no need to generalize anything and to say that this match reflects what Roddick is capable of. It's just premature.

marquez
06-25-2010, 09:37 PM
This is only the 3rd round, he came to this match with specific tactics, no need to generalize anything and to say that this match reflects what Roddick is capable of. It's just premature.

indeed, using exactly the tactics that made him lose the match against kohli in 2008
could have been the same here if kohli played better

I'm not saying that he is not able to step it up in the next matches, never said that
just saying he looked clueless in the rallies(like he did in many matches this year apart from few in miami/IW, so this match did reflect quite well what roddick is capable of these days)

called premature by a roddick fanboy because I dont agree, shall I be impressed?

Smoke944
06-25-2010, 09:55 PM
just dont like his game, dont even think it is smart to play the way he does

it has been said so often, but its still true
pushing might lead him to the semis but if he went for his shots he could be so much better
its not like the serve doesn't give him enough free points to risk a bit more in the rallies
in Miami/IW he was going for his shots, so much better then

so yeah, at this moment from what he has shown in the past few weeks, I have to say that he is nowhere near a top10 player, I'm even risking more bad blood here by saying he is not even top50 when the ball is in play(sela match in queens showed it clearly imo)

serve helps him a lot on this surface, thats okay as it is a part of the game
but if he played a player like hewitt or someone else who can read his serve better than kohli, he would lose probably(I even believe gaba could have done better than kohli today)
doesn't need to be that way, but it looks like roddick has decided a long time ago that this is the perfect style for him and is not willing to change

you americans are still allowed to be proud of him, he is your best player and a banker for the qfs in every slam apart from RG

I would probably see him differently if he was from my country too

Great post, I completely agree with almost everything you said. As it's been said many times before, he was more aggressive at the beginning of his career but yet unfortunately at some point he decided to play far more conservatively. He doesn't seem to readily acknowledge this, so maybe it was more of an unconscious thing over time. As you said though the fact of the matter on this is that it allows lesser players such as Sela to dictate play against him when they get returns into play. So yeah, maybe it is fair to say that his groundgame is that of a top-50 player when he is just pushing and rolling the ball back into play. The one thing you said that I disagree with is that he can't adjust his game. Maybe it's the optimist in me, but I hope he will come to the realization that he will need to actually hit the ball if he wants to really do serious damage late in the second week of slams. I think, as Selby said, that he has showed a willingness to make adjustments in some matches. The next few matches should be interesting in this regard, and I hope Stefanki will try and force him to play more aggressively.

mcnasty
06-25-2010, 10:27 PM
just dont like his game, dont even think it is smart to play the way he does

it has been said so often, but its still true
pushing might lead him to the semis but if he went for his shots he could be so much better
its not like the serve doesn't give him enough free points to risk a bit more in the rallies
in Miami/IW he was going for his shots, so much better then

so yeah, at this moment from what he has shown in the past few weeks, I have to say that he is nowhere near a top10 player, I'm even risking more bad blood here by saying he is not even top50 when the ball is in play(sela match in queens showed it clearly imo)

serve helps him a lot on this surface, thats okay as it is a part of the game
but if he played a player like hewitt or someone else who can read his serve better than kohli, he would lose probably(I even believe gaba could have done better than kohli today)
doesn't need to be that way, but it looks like roddick has decided a long time ago that this is the perfect style for him and is not willing to change

you americans are still allowed to be proud of him, he is your best player and a banker for the qfs in every slam apart from RG

I would probably see him differently if he was from my country too


the way i see it, roddick's playing low risk, percentage tennis -- if it works. and if it works, there's no reason to change, ergo the 'passiveness' though i would characterize it as smart.

why show your hand when you don't have to? why show all your tactics, when the conservative, passive one will get the job done?

i don't think roddick's forehand will ever be as effective as it was at the beginning of his career. but he's more than compensated for it with an improved backhand, a better understanding of how to attack the net, and a level of fitness equal to the best of players.

still, this might not be enough. but the fact that he's given himself a fighting chance is admirable which is why roddick has his fans.

FEDERERBEAUTY
06-25-2010, 11:00 PM
I was at the match, crowd enjoyed it. Roddick did what was needed to win and go into the 2nd week where he'll adapt as required.

Awesome tournament so far, would be ideally topped by an emotional Roddick victory.

rhinooooo
06-25-2010, 11:16 PM
Completely agree with Marquez.

It can be difficult to switch to an attacking game when you're stuck playing 5 feet behind the baseline, slicing and pushing. Kohli donated the first set to him. It will not happen against the better players.

Perfect example where Roddick should have stepped in is the 2nd set tiebreak, when he was ahead at 5-4. He insists on hitting these shithouse forehand slice returns, and being passive on 2nd serve returns. It cost him the set.

coonster14
06-25-2010, 11:28 PM
sweet revenge for andy after last time when kohli ousted him 8-6 in the 5th set.

mcnasty
06-25-2010, 11:34 PM
Completely agree with Marquez.

It can be difficult to switch to an attacking game when you're stuck playing 5 feet behind the baseline, slicing and pushing. Kohli donated the first set to him. It will not happen against the better players.

Perfect example where Roddick should have stepped in is the 2nd set tiebreak, when he was ahead at 5-4. He insists on hitting these shithouse forehand slice returns, and being passive on 2nd serve returns. It cost him the set.


kohlscreiber donate the first set? he did no such thing. he lost fair and square.

and it won't be tactics that'll lose roddick the match if he loses playing his best. bad luck (a bad bounce, a net cord winner) will be his undoing.

Jimnik
06-26-2010, 12:40 AM
Glad Andy is being tested, dropping sets. It was exactly the same last year.

And yes, he's more than capable of playing shit passive tennis and then turning on in the crucial stages.

born_on_clay
06-26-2010, 07:39 AM
good fight from both plyers

djb84xi
06-26-2010, 07:46 AM
Kohly is a good player, but I wish he would believe in himself a bit more. He should be top 10 with the kind of talent and game he has. He hasn't learned to be consistent enough and that has really hurt him.

As for Roddick, he did fine to put away Kohlschreiber. The result would've been different if his opponent was on his game. But, Roddick moves on. Things get trickier from here on.

rhinooooo
06-26-2010, 08:17 AM
kohlscreiber donate the first set? he did no such thing. he lost fair and square.

and it won't be tactics that'll lose roddick the match if he loses playing his best. bad luck (a bad bounce, a net cord winner) will be his undoing.

Brooklyn... is that you?

mcnasty
06-26-2010, 11:18 AM
Brooklyn... is that you?

don't bet on it.

Viky-cro
06-26-2010, 11:25 AM
Probably all players on tour let Andy win, wonder how he is in top for so many then with that average game, and how on Earth did he make 3 Wimbledon finals, while other masters of the game, who are not one dimensional like Andy struggle to make top 10 or top 15. Damn that Roddick he should be banned for playing tennis

Jimnik
06-26-2010, 01:39 PM
3 down, 4 to go.

You can do it Andy.

fran70
06-26-2010, 05:24 PM
just dont like his game, dont even think it is smart to play the way he does

it has been said so often, but its still true
pushing might lead him to the semis but if he went for his shots he could be so much better
its not like the serve doesn't give him enough free points to risk a bit more in the rallies
in Miami/IW he was going for his shots, so much better then

so yeah, at this moment from what he has shown in the past few weeks, I have to say that he is nowhere near a top10 player, I'm even risking more bad blood here by saying he is not even top50 when the ball is in play(sela match in queens showed it clearly imo)

serve helps him a lot on this surface, thats okay as it is a part of the game
but if he played a player like hewitt or someone else who can read his serve better than kohli, he would lose probably(I even believe gaba could have done better than kohli today)
doesn't need to be that way, but it looks like roddick has decided a long time ago that this is the perfect style for him and is not willing to change

you americans are still allowed to be proud of him, he is your best player and a banker for the qfs in every slam apart from RG

I would probably see him differently if he was from my country too

I agree with you all the facts that you mentioned about his game. But inspite of all the issues that you are mentioning I think that you are forgetting that he is one of the best active grass court players and all the results he achieved in this surface. Along with Roger, Rafa and Murray he is one of my favourites to win this year.

fran70
06-26-2010, 05:26 PM
the way i see it, roddick's playing low risk, percentage tennis -- if it works. and if it works, there's no reason to change, ergo the 'passiveness' though i would characterize it as smart.

why show your hand when you don't have to? why show all your tactics, when the conservative, passive one will get the job done?



Are you saying that he is not giving his best? Maybe Wimbledon officials would fine him for it :)

mcnasty
06-26-2010, 06:11 PM
Are you saying that he is not giving his best? Maybe Wimbledon officials would fine him for it :)

i'm saying if plan A work, there's no reason to go to plan B.

fran70
06-26-2010, 06:17 PM
i'm saying if plan A work, there's no reason to go to plan B.

I was just being ironic. I agree with u. :yeah: