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Any seurf-and-volley-players left???

Navratil
06-22-2010, 07:43 AM
Back in the 90-ies everybody was saying that there are no seurf-and-volley players left. But at least on grass (with the old balls and the faster grass then) many guys seurf-and-volleyed with 1st and 2nd seurf! Sampras, Rafter, Henman, Ivanisevic, Becker, Stich, Krajicek ........

But today? Even Roger Federer is not coming to the net at all! Did they make the courts and the balls to slow? What happend?

Is there any player in the main draw you would call a seurf-and-volley-player?
At least on grass?

:confused:

Maybe Llodra? Dent? ...

Nidhogg
06-22-2010, 07:54 AM
With the rackets and strings today it's too easy to get a clean connection on the ball for serve & volley to work as anything but an element of surprise. The slower balls and surfaces today doesn't help either. Even the best and most natural volleyers such as Llodra and Dent can't S&V anywhere near as often as Borg did 30 years ago, and he was no natural volleyer. He did it cause the surface required him to do so at the time.

The techichal development in tennis is all about making it as easy as possible to hit the ball well, and that doesn't necessarily translate to improving the quality of the actual tennis being played.

ossie
06-22-2010, 08:23 AM
its an archaic, suicidal form of tennis so its no surprise there arent many serve-and-volley-and-choke players left

allpro
06-22-2010, 08:42 AM
the only ones i can think of are radek and maybe llodra. dent too.

Loftra
06-22-2010, 08:59 AM
I saw Kevin Anderson, Dustin Brown and Rajeev Ram playing lots of s&v yesterday too. They all lost though. Happy the better s&v'ers Llodra and Dent went through.

Navratil
06-22-2010, 09:24 AM
I would consider Ancic as a seurf-and-volley-player on grass - but he's still injured. The same with Joachim Johansson.

FairWeatherFan
06-22-2010, 09:47 AM
No, there aren't, the simple reason being that this is a pathetic era of tennis, the weakest both in quality of play and entertainment value in the sport's history.

kooties
06-22-2010, 11:33 AM
LaLo! :rocker2:

Tsonga ought to, but no one ever knows what goes on up there (his brain).

oranges
06-22-2010, 11:37 AM
Mahut will give you that treat later today

ossie
06-22-2010, 12:23 PM
Mahut will give you that treat later todaytoo bad he will lose

gorgo1986
06-22-2010, 12:25 PM
I guess you can call Feli Lopez a serve and volley player at least on grass.

mcnasty
06-22-2010, 12:28 PM
imo, the last serve and volleyer was patrick rafter. sampras served and volleyed, but his serve was so good, that he rarely had to volley skillfully to win a point.

these days with everyone ripping their groundstrokes a serve and volleyer like rafter (average serving at around 110mph) wouldn't stand a chance. a sampras like serve and volleyer would succeed, but i doubt we'll see the likes of sampras' serve for a very long time.

dweijnen
06-22-2010, 12:54 PM
Ivan Navarro?

kooties
06-22-2010, 12:57 PM
Kubot as well

Stepanek though seems to be the best one (to watch) currently, shame about his injuries though.

Haelfix
06-22-2010, 01:05 PM
You would need to find a player with Rafter's movement, a Roddick like serve and hands on the level of Henman or Federer. Eg not easy.

Watching Taylor Dent S/V after he came back from injury was painful. It wasn't that he wasn't doing it correctly either. Dropping 145 mph bombs, followed by a crisp setup volley and still losing the point is juts not something you used to see in other eras.

borracho
06-22-2010, 01:22 PM
Brendan Evans was playing serve & volley non-stop yesterday on both 1st and 2nd serve. During receiving games he was playing chip 'n charge most of the times. HERO

kooties
06-22-2010, 02:16 PM
Brendan Evans was playing serve & volley non-stop yesterday on both 1st and 2nd serve. During receiving games he was playing chip 'n charge most of the times. HERO

I need a video of that.

Navratil
06-22-2010, 04:11 PM
Didn't Federer used to seurf-and-volley much more in the past??

HKz
06-22-2010, 04:18 PM
No, there aren't, the simple reason being that this is a pathetic era of tennis, the weakest both in quality of play and entertainment value in the sport's history.

http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx250/Liteskin18/2hcja04.jpg

Har-Tru
06-22-2010, 04:19 PM
OK no big deal, but seurf? :lol:

The only player I can think of who S&Vs on ALL serves is Ivan Navarro.

kooties
06-22-2010, 05:17 PM
Didn't Federer used to seurf-and-volley much more in the past??

Then he found out that he had the best FH of all time. It didn't help that the courts slowed down though.

Sham Kay
06-22-2010, 05:45 PM
As others have already said, only a handful of players actually serve and volley nowadays. Some like Fed do S&V occasionally depending on the quality of their serve. Btw Navratil, its spelled serve.

Navratil
06-23-2010, 07:39 AM
I guess you can call Feli Lopez a serve and volley player at least on grass.

Not really - just like most of the other guys. Comes in on a first serve once in a while. Nothing more...

collo1978
06-23-2010, 09:50 AM
I love the s/v players and miss it heaps. We need players with more flair. What was better than watching Rafter come in to the net in the US open or boris beckers dives

borracho
06-23-2010, 09:57 AM
I need a video of that.

http://nos.nl/artikel/166308-federer-nipt-door-huta-galung-niet.html


there you go, highlights are at the right of the article.

Har-Tru
06-23-2010, 10:06 AM
Not really - just like most of the other guys. Comes in on a first serve once in a while. Nothing more...

He doesn't come in often enough to be considered a classic S&Ver, but he certainly does more than "most of the other guys".

gorgo1986
06-23-2010, 10:07 AM
He doesn't come in often enough to be considered a classic S&Ver, but he certainly does more than "most of the other guys".


Exactly and especially on grass.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
06-23-2010, 11:51 AM
in the current top 10 the only players who would get to the second week in the 90s would be Federer and (possibly) Roddick

nadal, murray, joker etc wouldn't be able to play on real grass (not this fake slow green clay shit that passes as grass)

collo1978
06-23-2010, 11:59 AM
He doesn't come in often enough to be considered a classic S&Ver, but he certainly does more than "most of the other guys".

That video of yours in your signature is gold, he should be in hollywood

borracho
06-23-2010, 12:30 PM
in the current top 10 the only players who would get to the second week in the 90s would be Federer and (possibly) Roddick

nadal, murray, joker etc wouldn't be able to play on real grass (not this fake slow green clay shit that passes as grass)

couln't agree more, also Lendl would've taken multiple titles on this green clay.

Ivanatis
06-23-2010, 12:48 PM
I saw Kevin Anderson, Dustin Brown and Rajeev Ram playing lots of s&v yesterday too. They all lost though. Happy the better s&v'ers Llodra and Dent went through.

I wouldn't say Dent is better than these guys. He just had a weaker opponent. And yeah, Rampras is the epitome of S&V these days. Unfortunately he can be really bad at times.

kooties
06-23-2010, 01:24 PM
watch the match now, it's a treat!

Navratil
06-23-2010, 01:34 PM
What match? Llodra vs Roddick?

kooties
06-23-2010, 01:56 PM
^^^

Yes, but perhaps I spoke too soon. Llodra's head went to the crapper at 5-4* in the second

Navratil
06-23-2010, 03:22 PM
Too soon :-D

Roddick won in 4!

Start da Game
06-23-2010, 04:32 PM
mahut, nicolas mahut.......

melzer too can s n v if he wants to.......

Navratil
06-24-2010, 07:30 AM
Brendan Evans was playing serve & volley non-stop yesterday on both 1st and 2nd serve. During receiving games he was playing chip 'n charge most of the times. HERO

... but he lost to Montanes in the 2nd round :D

laurie-1
06-24-2010, 01:11 PM
Is "seurf" German for serve?

laurie-1
06-24-2010, 01:17 PM
What I've found interesting throughout the noughties is that many players we would consider as Journeymen were the serve and volleyers. Players like Myrni, Wesley Moody, Dent, Llodra, Rampras, Karlovic and others. Players who will always have limited success because they have deficiencies in their game and normally are not good returners.

In the past, a lot of the more talented players were attracted to serve and volley and players who were willing to change from baseline to serve and volley as teenagers - players like Edberg and Sampras did that. Then there were players like Becker and Krajicek and Stich who were all very talented who could serve and return well.

I just wonder if we will see the more talented players coming through ever adapting serve and volley again in future? Its the talented players who change the game - not the tactic itself and certainly not the journeymen.

Har-Tru
06-24-2010, 01:25 PM
Is "seurf" German for serve?

No, it's Aufschlag. I guess the OP didn't know how to spell it and took a guess. :lol:

mcnasty
06-24-2010, 06:27 PM
Its the talented players who change the game - not the tactic itself and certainly not the journeymen.


that's true but still if you've got a big serve and big forehand, you'll be a factor in the atp as it stands.

kooties
06-24-2010, 06:38 PM
that's true but still if you've got a big serve and big forehand, you'll be a factor in the atp as it stands.

Only logical as those are the two biggest weapons a tennis player can have.

Kraxths
06-24-2010, 06:45 PM
Navarro