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Federer top seed at Wimbledon; No. 1 Nadal second

Bijoux0021
06-16-2010, 02:50 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/wimbledon10/news/story?id=5291740

Updated: June 16, 2010, 10:29 AM ET

Federer top seed; No. 1 Nadal second

Associated Press

WIMBLEDON, England -- Roger Federer was the No. 1 seed for Wimbledon ahead of Rafael Nadal in a reverse of their world rankings.

Federer, the defending champion and six-time Wimbledon winner, received the top seed Wednesday even though Nadal recently supplanted him as No. 1 in the world rankings.

Nadal moved into the top spot after winning the French Open, while Federer slipped to No. 2 after losing in the quarterfinals in Paris.

Wimbledon uses its discretion to seed players based on their grass-court record.

"While the seeding positions of Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal are reversed from their current rankings, there is no practical effect since they remain the leading seeds in their respective halves of the draw," Wimbledon referee Andrew Jarrett said.

The draw will be held Friday, with the two-week Grand Slam tournament starting Monday.

There were no surprises in the women's seedings, with Serena Williams at No. 1 and sister Venus at No. 2.

Federer has won a record 16 Grand Slam titles, including this year's Australian Open. However, he has not won a tournament since Australia and will be coming into Wimbledon in something of a slump. He fell to Lleyton Hewitt in Sunday's final in Halle, Germany, for only his second loss on grass in more than seven years.

Nadal beat Federer in the 2008 Wimbledon final but was injured and unable to defend his title last year. The Spaniard won his fifth French Open earlier this month, but lost to Feliciano Lopez last week in the quarterfinals of the Wimbledon grass-court tuneup at Queen's Club.

Novak Djokovic is seeded No. 3 and Andy Murray No. 4, in line with their rankings.

Three-time Wimbledon runner-up Andy Roddick was seeded No. 5, two spots above his ranking. French Open finalist Robin Soderling is No. 6.

One of the biggest beneficiaries of the Wimbledon seeding committee was Hewitt, the 2002 champion who was seeded No. 15 despite a world ranking of No. 26. Big-serving Ivo Karlovic is ranked No. 33 but was bumped up to No. 25 in the seedings.

The women's seedings stuck to the world rankings, setting up the possibility of a fifth all-Williams Wimbledon final. Serena beat Venus last year for her third Wimbledon title.

The only change in the seedings was caused by the injury withdrawal of No. 5 Elena Dementieva.

Caroline Wozniacki is No. 3, followed by Jelena Jankovic at No. 4 and French Open champion Francesca Schiavone at No. 5.

Belgians Kim Clijsters and Justine Henin, who are returning to Wimbledon after coming out of retirement, are seeded No. 8 and No. 17, respectively.

Ozone
06-16-2010, 02:51 PM
Yeah but since the #3 and #4 seeds can be on either side it doesn't matter. I may be wrong with that rule, it may not be used in majors.

n8
06-16-2010, 02:54 PM
Yeah but since the #3 and #4 seeds can be on either side it doesn't matter. I may be wrong with that rule, it may not be used in majors.

That's the rule in Grand Slams too.

Ozone
06-16-2010, 03:00 PM
Ok thought so:yeah: So their is no advantage of being 1 seed

l_mac
06-16-2010, 03:08 PM
Everyone knows Murray will be drawn in the NOT FEDERER half

Even more this year as the Queen is going on Thursday which is NOT FEDERER's half

Yeah, I'll be suprised if he's in Fed's half.

barbadosan
06-16-2010, 03:08 PM
Everyone knows Murray will be drawn in the NOT FEDERER half

Even more this year as the Queen is going on Thursday which is NOT FEDERER's half

or maybe HM wants to avoid watching Murray :p

barbadosan
06-16-2010, 03:09 PM
Yeah, I'll be suprised if he's in Fed's half.

well ya got to admit, 50-50 is as even a bet as you'll get anywhere!

Sunset of Age
06-16-2010, 03:17 PM
Everyone knows Murray will be drawn in the NOT FEDERER half

Even more this year as the Queen is going on Thursday which is NOT FEDERER's half

Don't get this. Taking into account their current forms, Rafa will be a lot more of a scare to Murray to reach the finals than Roger, unless suddenly Jesus!Fed makes a ressurrection again. Well who knows, 50% chance anyways.

Mjau!
06-16-2010, 03:23 PM
Everyone knows Murray will be drawn in the NOT FEDERER half

Even more this year as the Queen is going on Thursday which is NOT FEDERER's half

Are you suggesting they are going to rig the draw? That is a very serious accusation! :eek:

decrepitude
06-16-2010, 03:25 PM
That report says it is at Wimbledon's discretion. No, it isn't, unless you mean the ability to change players' seedings at all: there is a set formula which has been explained on this board several times. "Discretion" sounds as though they sit round a table and argue who should be moved where!

l_mac
06-16-2010, 03:26 PM
That report says it is at Wimbledon's discretion. No, it isn't, unless you mean the ability to change players' seedings at all: there is a set formula which has been explained on this board several times. "Discretion" sounds as though they sit round a table and argue who should be moved where!

That's what they do for the women, so the "reporter" is probably just confused.

decrepitude
06-16-2010, 03:29 PM
True but they are talking about the men when they say that, the ladies are mentioned almost as an afterthought.

l_mac
06-16-2010, 03:30 PM
^^ That's why I said he/she was confused ;)

nobama
06-16-2010, 03:38 PM
That report says it is at Wimbledon's discretion. No, it isn't, unless you mean the ability to change players' seedings at all: there is a set formula which has been explained on this board several times. "Discretion" sounds as though they sit round a table and argue who should be moved where!
well tennis journalist Tom Perrota (sp?) twittered that Nadal was slighted in the Wimbledon seeding so obviously not everyone is aware of this formula (though you'd think a tennis journalist should be :o ).

l_mac
06-16-2010, 03:41 PM
well tennis journalist Tom Perrota (sp?) twittered that Nadal was slighted in the Wimbledon seeding so obviously not everyone is aware of this formula (though you'd think a tennis journalist should be :o ).

:lol: That's hilarious, but also a bit irritating.

Corey Feldman
06-16-2010, 04:13 PM
Fed as No.1

how it should be

tennis2tennis
06-16-2010, 04:17 PM
nothing to do with this thread but.....


switzerland 1 - 0 spain

oh and yeah nice to have fed as no 1

NADALbULLS
06-16-2010, 04:22 PM
This would make it look extra good if Nadal and Federer meet in the Final and Nadal straight sets him, I like these seedings for that reason alone man.

tennis2tennis
06-16-2010, 04:24 PM
This would make it look extra good if Nadal and Federer meet in the Final and Nadal straight sets him, I like these seedings for that reason alone man.

yeah but rafa might meet the mighty king of grass that is Feliciano López before then!!!:devil:

NADALbULLS
06-16-2010, 04:28 PM
yeah but rafa might meet the mighty king of grass that is Feliciano López before then!!!:devil:

Yeah that'll be interesting to see which side of the draw Hewitt and López are.

tennis2tennis
06-16-2010, 04:31 PM
Yeah that'll be interesting to see which side of the draw Hewitt and López are.

forget the former wimbledon champ and world no 1; lopez is the real danger man..;)

Gabe32
06-16-2010, 04:48 PM
just curious, but what is the formula that slams use?

nadal won the last wimbledon he played at. he is #1 in the world. plus federer hasn't showed up to a tournament since australia. seems a little unfair. they should just do it by rankings.

Diprosalic
06-16-2010, 04:48 PM
2:0 switzerland

Noleta
06-16-2010, 04:52 PM
Why isn't Roddick seeded 3rd,going by Wimby's formula?:scratch:

Sophocles
06-16-2010, 04:57 PM
Threads about Wimbledon seedings always leave me close to tears.

l_mac
06-16-2010, 04:58 PM
Why isn't Roddick seeded 3rd,going by Wimby's formula?:scratch:

Because he doesn't have enough points :scratch:

Entry points+100% grass points scored in the last 12 months+75% of best grass result from the 12 months before that.

Noleta
06-16-2010, 05:06 PM
Because he doesn't have enough points :scratch:

Entry points+100% grass points scored in the last 12 months+75% of best grass result from the 12 months before that.

Thanks for clearing that up:)

Noleta
06-16-2010, 05:07 PM
Threads about Wimbledon seedings always leave me close to tears.

:hug:Do you want a tissue?:)

Il Primo Uomo
06-16-2010, 05:47 PM
Since it's a mathematics formula, there's nothing to argue about.

oranges
06-16-2010, 05:55 PM
Fifth thread on the non-issue? Unreal :lol:

holagirl56
06-16-2010, 05:56 PM
That report says it is at Wimbledon's discretion. No, it isn't, unless you mean the ability to change players' seedings at all: there is a set formula which has been explained on this board several times. "Discretion" sounds as though they sit round a table and argue who should be moved where!

Yeah, I agree. It is absolutely NO SURPRISE who was seeded where because anyone could have figured them out days before. People acting like Nadal was purposely snubbed by the tournament need to realize that a formula determines the mens' seeding, not some arbitrary debate between Wimbledon organizers.

Whether or not Wimbledon should enforce special seeding is a different argument altogether....

@Sweet Cleopatra
06-16-2010, 06:31 PM
Vamos Rafa

tangerine_dream
06-16-2010, 06:33 PM
I'm aware of the formula Wimbledon uses for seeding and Federer being ranked 1 makes sense.

I'm also aware that no other slam goes out of its way to bend over backwards for one player in terms seeding, court preference, and favorable scheduling the way Wimbledon does for Federer year after year.

prima donna
06-16-2010, 06:53 PM
I'm also aware that no other slam goes out of its way to bend over backwards for one player in terms seeding, court preference, and favorable scheduling the way Wimbledon does for Federer year after year.
A champion ought to be treated as such, just as a perennial runner-up ought to be treated as such. Roddick can demand similar treatment once he's managed to eclipse Roger's six Wimbledon titles.

laurie-1
06-16-2010, 07:09 PM
This is typical of Wimbledon and the All England Club. They are a law onto themselves; the all white dress code rule, seedings allocated according to their reasoning as opposed to the world rankings, tickets for the main courts via ballots only.

I'm sure a lot of people love Wimbledon because of its tradition - but as far as I'm concerned, Wimbledon stinks as an organisation.

barbadosan
06-16-2010, 07:18 PM
I'm aware of the formula Wimbledon uses for seeding and Federer being ranked 1 makes sense.

I'm also aware that no other slam goes out of its way to bend over backwards for one player in terms seeding, court preference, and favorable scheduling the way Wimbledon does for Federer year after year.

tangerine dream, that's a little unworthy of you. After all, you must also know that the current protocol was first used in 2002, BEFORE Federer even won his first Wimbledon, far less anyone imagining he would be so dominant - so exactly who were they bending over for in 2002 and 2003?

decrepitude
06-16-2010, 07:22 PM
I'm also aware that no other slam goes out of its way to bend over backwards for one player in terms seeding, court preference, and favorable scheduling the way Wimbledon does for Federer year after year.

*cough* USO-Roddick *cough* re court preference and scheduling anyway

tangerine_dream
06-16-2010, 07:22 PM
tangerine dream, that's a little unworthy of you. After all, you must also know that the current protocol was first used in 2002, BEFORE Federer even won his first Wimbledon, far less anyone imagining he would be so dominant - so exactly who were they bending over for in 2002 and 2003?
Two words: 2007 Wimbledon.

*cough* USO-Roddick *cough* re court preference and scheduling anyway
Thanks for reminding us that the USTA also goes out of its way to favor Federer with courts and scheduling.

As for the USTA being powerful enough to send in a hurricane that year, all I can say is o_0.

Dimitra
06-16-2010, 07:24 PM
:eek: :eek: wow that's shocking news!!!
/sarcasm

:rolleyes:

prima donna
06-16-2010, 07:25 PM
Two words: 2007 Wimbledon.


Thanks for reminding us all that the USTA also goes out of its way to favor Federer with courts and scheduling.

As for the USTA being powerful enough to send in a hurricane that year, all I can say is o_0.
Your animus is showing.

born_on_clay
06-16-2010, 07:45 PM
Honesty I care more aboutwhere Roddick will be placed than Murray :rolleyes:

Lopez
06-16-2010, 08:33 PM
I'm aware of the formula Wimbledon uses for seeding and Federer being ranked 1 makes sense.

I'm also aware that no other slam goes out of its way to bend over backwards for one player in terms seeding, court preference, and favorable scheduling the way Wimbledon does for Federer year after year.

Yeah those cunning guys, coming up with the formula in anticipation of Roger's dominance.

Other Slams (at least RG) should have a similar system. No sense in Nadal being seeded nr 2 in RG :shrug: (or Roddick nr 6 :lol:)

Sophocles
06-16-2010, 08:47 PM
Yeah those cunning guys, coming up with the formula in anticipation of Roger's dominance.

Other Slams (at least RG) should have a similar system. No sense in Nadal being seeded nr 2 in RG :shrug: (or Roddick nr 6 :lol:)

Exactly, the French should definitely do something similar.

Persimmon
06-16-2010, 09:37 PM
Are you suggesting they are going to rig the draw? That is a very serious accusation! :eek:

:lol:

Persimmon
06-16-2010, 09:38 PM
Yeah, I'll be suprised if he's in Fed's half.

Murray will be in Nadal's half 100%:wavey:

Corey Feldman
06-16-2010, 09:39 PM
Hmm

BigJohn
06-16-2010, 09:40 PM
This would make it look extra good if Nadal and Federer meet in the Final and Nadal straight sets him, I like these seedings for that reason alone man.

This is what you like, huh? This is what gets you hot...

This is typical of Wimbledon and the All England Club. They are a law onto themselves; the all white dress code rule, seedings allocated according to their reasoning as opposed to the world rankings, tickets for the main courts via ballots only.

I'm sure a lot of people love Wimbledon because of its tradition - but as far as I'm concerned, Wimbledon stinks as an organisation.

None of those things stink at all.

The all white is what Wimbledon is all about, with the all green that is around.

The seeding makes a lot of sense, some player are really good on grass and many dirt ballers don't care at all for it (it used to be a bigger problem when Wimbledon was faster, but still). So if Roddick and Karlovic can get higher seeds in order to delay good matchups later in the tournament, all the better.

Nothing wrong with the tickets either...

Pirata.
06-16-2010, 09:40 PM
nadal won the last wimbledon he played at.

...so did Federer. :rolleyes:

Havok
06-16-2010, 11:16 PM
Hewitt seeded 15. Hilarity.

Matt H
06-17-2010, 12:11 AM
This year's Wimbledon men's singles seeding reminded me of the women's singles seedings in 1985.

Chris Evert had just beaten Martina Navratilova at the final of the French to take over the #1 ranking from her.

But Navratilova was the 3-time defending champion (5 overall)...was the better grass-court player...so Wimbledon decided to deal with it by making Navratilova and Evert co-#1 seeds (purely so they could share the honor. It made no practical difference since either way they would head up opposite halves of the draw).

I recognize that the formula in use now by Wimbledon made today's decision a mathematical one -- but I ALMOST expected Wimbledon to do a similar thing this year with Nadal and Federer and name co-#1s (with Nadal having just overtaken Federer in the rankings...yet trailing in grass court results and Wimbledon titles).

allpro
06-17-2010, 01:18 AM
Exactly, the French should definitely do something similar.

totally agree. clay is the ultimate specialty surface and roddick being seeded higher than verdasco and ferrer was laughable. isner seeded above almugro, wawrinka, hewitt, and monaco was out of touch with reality too.

NADALbULLS
06-17-2010, 01:53 AM
Not me LittleJohn, it gets Wimbledon hot, as you can see from the picture at their draw page http://www.wimbledon.org/en_GB/scores/draws/ms/index.html

NADALbULLS
06-17-2010, 01:54 AM
Fifth thread on the non-issue? Unreal :lol:

Yeah I know, paranoid Fedfans at it again...

Bagelicious
06-17-2010, 01:58 AM
Yeah I know, paranoid Fedfans at it again...

Actually, it's the Nadal fans who don't understand that there's a mathematical formula that decides this and that there isn't a group of people behind closed doors conspiring to make sure that he isn't seeded #1. :rolleyes:

Why can't you guys just get that and stop making threads about it? Judio calculated the seeds ages ago and posted them in the rankings thread.

NADALbULLS
06-17-2010, 02:00 AM
Yeah I guess that's why that other thread questioning who would be the number one seed had guys with Federer pics in their avatar...insecure lot...

Bagelicious
06-17-2010, 02:01 AM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=10042918&postcount=45

Dimitra
06-17-2010, 02:04 AM
Yeah I guess that's why that other thread questioning who would be the number one seed had guys with Federer pics in their avatar...insecure lot...

hmm and you seem to keep responding and responding to those threads.:rolleyes:
I wonder who's the insecure here.:D

Bagelicious
06-17-2010, 02:04 AM
Threads about Wimbledon seedings always leave me close to tears.

Me too Sophocles, me too. :cool:

NADALbULLS
06-17-2010, 02:09 AM
hmm and you seem to keep responding and responding to those threads.:rolleyes:
I wonder who's the insecure here.:D

Nah, I'm not posting about he seeding, I'm posting about the posters actually.

Dimitra
06-17-2010, 02:27 AM
Nah, I'm not posting about he seeding, I'm posting about the posters actually.

so then you must be yourself insecure about what others believe by your logic.:)

:rolleyes:

Topspin Forehand
06-17-2010, 03:26 AM
They need to do away with this mathematical formula and just seed the players as what their ranks are.

barbadosan
06-17-2010, 03:58 AM
They need to do away with this mathematical formula and just seed the players as what their ranks are.

So why haven't you been advocating that since 2002?

christallh24
06-17-2010, 04:32 AM
:retard: thread. :smash:

laurie-1
06-17-2010, 01:04 PM
This is what you like, huh? This is what gets you hot...



None of those things stink at all.

The all white is what Wimbledon is all about, with the all green that is around.

The seeding makes a lot of sense, some player are really good on grass and many dirt ballers don't care at all for it (it used to be a bigger problem when Wimbledon was faster, but still). So if Roddick and Karlovic can get higher seeds in order to delay good matchups later in the tournament, all the better.

Nothing wrong with the tickets either...

I have to say I disagree with you on this issue. I also think that many North Americans tend to have a romantic view of Wimbledon which they see on television and / or if they visit the Championships.

I went to Roland Garros 6 years in a row, its much easier to get tickets for the centre court there than at at Wimbledon, plus the tickets are cheaper there as well.

There is no need for an all white rule in this day and age either, its so like been told how to act by the Head Master at school.

The way Wimbledon is run is quite similar to how New Labour ran Britain for so many years, in a sort of nanny style, the atmosphere at Wimbledon is nowhere near as relaxed as Roland Garros, and I've been going to Wimbledon for many years since 1995.

The seedings system is part of this. But Wimbledon unlike the other slams is run by a private club, not by the Federation - a private club makes its own rules and everyone has to play by them. Plus its a mandatory event so everything is in their favour.

Sophocles
06-17-2010, 01:25 PM
I have to say I disagree with you on this issue. I also think that many North Americans tend to have a romantic view of Wimbledon which they see on television and / or if they visit the Championships.

I went to Roland Garros 6 years in a row, its much easier to get tickets for the centre court there than at at Wimbledon, plus the tickets are cheaper there as well.

There is no need for an all white rule in this day and age either, its so like been told how to act by the Head Master at school.

The way Wimbledon is run is quite similar to how New Labour ran Britain for so many years, in a sort of nanny style, the atmosphere at Wimbledon is nowhere near as relaxed as Roland Garros, and I've been going to Wimbledon for many years since 1995.

The seedings system is part of this. But Wimbledon unlike the other slams is run by a private club, not by the Federation - a private club makes its own rules and everyone has to play by them. Plus its a mandatory event so everything is in their favour.

The ticketing system is absurd, but what other way is there to manage the huge demand? At least Wimbledon gets full houses on its show courts, even at lunchtime. As for the rest, it's not like NuLab at all - NuLab was completely against any kind of tradition that added colour to life and connected the present with the past, & it showed its nannying tendencies by doing away with things such as Wimbledon's dress code (e.g., judges' wigs) in the name of "modernization".

habibko
06-17-2010, 01:40 PM
good to see Roger back where he belongs.

Corey Feldman
06-17-2010, 01:45 PM
i want Fed to play infront of the Queen

why couldnt the old bat come on Wednesday

BigJohn
06-17-2010, 09:53 PM
I have to say I disagree with you on this issue. I also think that many North Americans tend to have a romantic view of Wimbledon which they see on television and / or if they visit the Championships.

I went to Roland Garros 6 years in a row, its much easier to get tickets for the centre court there than at at Wimbledon, plus the tickets are cheaper there as well.

There is no need for an all white rule in this day and age either, its so like been told how to act by the Head Master at school.

The way Wimbledon is run is quite similar to how New Labour ran Britain for so many years, in a sort of nanny style, the atmosphere at Wimbledon is nowhere near as relaxed as Roland Garros, and I've been going to Wimbledon for many years since 1995.

The seedings system is part of this. But Wimbledon unlike the other slams is run by a private club, not by the Federation - a private club makes its own rules and everyone has to play by them. Plus its a mandatory event so everything is in their favour.

If a player feels that dress code for one tournament is against freedom of expression, I believe we can talk about overinflated self-entitlement.

You do not like the dress code? Watch it with tainted glasses. Or don't.

How would Wimbledon be any better if the players were allowed to wear any coloured outfit they wanted?

MrChopin
06-17-2010, 10:05 PM
totally agree. clay is the ultimate specialty surface and roddick being seeded higher than verdasco and ferrer was laughable. isner seeded above almugro, wawrinka, hewitt, and monaco was out of touch with reality too.

Most tournament directors these days have admitted that their "hardcourts" are clay courts. It's no surprise then that guys like Davydenko and Del Potro do so poorly on grass but guys like Hewitt, Haas, Ancic, and Lopez still have their best results there.

Sophocles
06-18-2010, 09:53 AM
Guess What :rolleyes:

Incontrovertible proof of a fix.

ShotmaKer
06-18-2010, 10:04 AM
Guess What :rolleyes:

Incontrovertible proof of a fix.

nid !

Dimitra
06-18-2010, 10:05 AM
Guess What :rolleyes:

well done for the lucky guess.:)

born_on_clay
06-18-2010, 10:07 AM
Murray not in Fed's half. Expected
Actually it doesn't matter - Rafa will eliminate the Brit in semis

tennis2tennis
06-18-2010, 10:55 AM
Murray not in Fed's half. Expected
Actually it doesn't matter - Rafa will eliminate the Brit in semis

Andy Roddick, Novak Djokovic, Lleyton Hewitt....enough said!!!#

Persimmon
06-18-2010, 12:29 PM
Guess What :rolleyes:

It was expected.

Corey Feldman
06-18-2010, 03:13 PM
that should have been Nadal's draw as #1 seed

oh well.

old Queen coming to see Nadal, Murray

Topspin Forehand
06-18-2010, 04:40 PM
Screw Wimbledon.

Topspin Forehand
06-18-2010, 04:50 PM
Federer has it way worse than Nadal..... http://sports.yahoo.com/tennis/news?slug=ap-wimbledon-draw


The only threats to Nadal are supposedly Murray (who Nadal mauled at Wimbledon in 2008 in straights) and Soderling (who isn't good on grass and has no grasscourt matches this year).
Soderling not good on grass? Did you see Wimbledon 2007? Soderling is much better since then. Murray is a tougher matchup for Nadal than Roddick. Gulbis, Blake, and Nishikori is ridiculous for the first 3 rounds. It was like it was rigged or something. It all started by giving Fed the first seed and kept going.

Topspin Forehand
06-18-2010, 05:12 PM
Nadal needed a final set tie-breaker to beat Roddick at Queens 2 years ago. While Murray couldn't even take a set off Nadal at Wimbledon 2008 (same year Murray made the US Open Final). So I don't see your point here at all.

Look at the recent form of Nishikori (ranked over 200), and Blake (ranked over 100). And Gulbis hasn't proven anything. Doubt he'd take a set off Nadal. Granted, Soderling has taken Nadal to 5 sets, but Nadal played him on hardcourt in exhibition this year and won in straight sets, and beat him in straight sets on Soderling's favorite surface (clay). Nadal has figured him out, and this is just like what Nadal has done to Tsonga and Blake by beating them many times on their favorite surface (hardcourt in each case) after initially losing to them. Same deal with Soderling.

Just look at each matchup in isolation and you see how easy this draw is for Nadal. I'd hate for Nadal to have to play an in form Hewitt and Roddick. Nadal got lucky by being seeded 2nd. Bet you anything Nadal will cruise through his half.
Nadal beat Roddick in straight sets at Queens. Broke Roddick 3 times. It was pretty straight forward. Murray just proved how tough he is for Nadal at the Australian Open this year. Soderling is good on all surfaces. RG suits Soderling because it is pretty quick for clay and gives Soderling nice high bounces. Gulbis and Soderling are the only ones really challenging Nadal the last 3 years on grass.

tangerine_dream
06-18-2010, 06:01 PM
Another Wimbledon cupcake draw for Roger. I am shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

nobama
06-18-2010, 06:09 PM
Another Wimbledon cupcake draw for Roger. I am shocked. Shocked, I tell you.I guess having Roddick in his half helps.

Persimmon
06-18-2010, 06:37 PM
Soderling not good on grass? Did you see Wimbledon 2007? Soderling is much better since then. Murray is a tougher matchup for Nadal than Roddick. Gulbis, Blake, and Nishikori is ridiculous for the first 3 rounds. It was like it was rigged or something. It all started by giving Fed the first seed and kept going.

:o Rafa has a draw made from hell.


Just look at each matchup in isolation and you see how easy this draw is for Nadal. Nadal got lucky by being seeded 2nd. Bet you anything Nadal will cruise through his half.

Can we say delusional?:o

Sillyrabbit
06-18-2010, 06:43 PM
Soderling not good on grass? Did you see Wimbledon 2007? Soderling is much better since then. Murray is a tougher matchup for Nadal than Roddick. Gulbis, Blake, and Nishikori is ridiculous for the first 3 rounds. It was like it was rigged or something. It all started by giving Fed the first seed and kept going.

For crying out loud, yes it's a shitty draw, probably his worst in 2 years, but it wasn't "rigged", there's no doubt about that...

Now if it was Roland Garros, maybe:devil: Just kidding...