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Most dangerous players in each seeding group?

n8
06-16-2010, 12:40 PM
Now that the seeds have been officially announced, who do you think is the more dangerous player in each of the following categories: 1-2 3-4 5-8 9-12 13-16 17-24 25-32. The reason I ask is due to the way the draw is made; the number 1 player gets 3 or 4 in the semis, 5-8 in the quarters, 13-16 in the 4th round and 25-32 in the 3rd round (assuming results go to seeding). This way, when the draw comes out, we can see who has the more difficult draw based on unbiased comments. Please feel free to include the most dangerous floaters as well and also more than just the most dangerous player in each group.

My opinion:
1-2 Federer
3-4 Murray
5-8 Roddick then Soderling
9-12 Berdych then Cilic
13-16 Hewitt then tough one...
17-24 Querrey then Lopez then Isner
25-32 Karlovic then Gulbis then Kohlschreiber
Floaters: Gasquet then Becker then Fish

Seed list:
1 Roger FEDERER (SUI) [2]
2 Rafael NADAL (ESP) [1]
3 Novak DJOKOVIC (SRB) [3]
4 Andy MURRAY (GBR) [4]
5 Andy RODDICK (USA) [7]
6 Robin SODERLING (SWE) [6]
7 Nikolay DAVYDENKO (RUS) [5]
8 Fernando VERDASCO (ESP) [9]
9 David FERRER (ESP) [11]
10 Jo-Wilfried TSONGA (FRA) [10]
11 Marin CILIC (CRO) [12]
12 Tomas BERDYCH (CZE) [13]
13 Mikhail YOUZHNY (RUS) [14]
14 Juan Carlos FERRERO (ESP) [17]
15 Lleyton HEWITT (AUS) [26]
16 Jurgen MELZER (AUT) [16]
17 Ivan LJUBICIC (CRO) [15]
18 Sam QUERREY (USA) [21]
19 Nicolas ALMAGRO (ESP) [18]
20 Stanislas WAWRINKA (SUI) [23]
21 Gael MONFILS (FRA) [20]
22 Radek STEPANEK (CZE) [25]
23 Feliciano LOPEZ (ESP) [30]
24 John ISNER (USA) [19]
25 Ivo KARLOVIC (CRO) [33]
26 Marcos BAGHDATIS (CYP) [27]
27 Thomaz BELLUCCI (BRA) [24]
28 Gilles SIMON (FRA) [32]
29 Ernests GULBIS (LAT) [29]
30 Albert MONTANES (ESP) [31]
31 Philipp KOHLSCHREIBER (GER) [35]
32 Tommy ROBREDO (ESP) [36]

If there are withdrawals, please post using the new seed list.

Roamed
06-16-2010, 12:57 PM
Good idea for a thread! It'll be fun to check back after the draw :)

I was making my own picks but then I realised they were pretty much exactly the same as yours :p Except I'd put Fed and Rafa as about equal given recent form..

henke007
06-16-2010, 01:34 PM
Hard to tell really where Roddick stands since he hasn't played regularly since pre clay season, some damper weather conditions and his serve isn't as effective we saw it against Sela, but offcourse Wimbledon is a different animal but still!!

Sophocles
06-16-2010, 01:34 PM
I'll think about it. Trouble is though you have to ask, "Most dangerous to whom?" Particularly if you're talking about the 2 top seeds' draws.

n8
06-16-2010, 02:40 PM
I'll think about it. Trouble is though you have to ask, "Most dangerous to whom?" Particularly if you're talking about the 2 top seeds' draws.

In general the most dangerous players will be very similar for everyone, but feel free to be more specific. You could probably argue that Cilic is more dangerous than Berdych to Nadal and perhaps that Lopez is more dangerous than Querrey for the Spaniard.

Sophocles
06-16-2010, 04:28 PM
In general the most dangerous players will be very similar for everyone, but feel free to be more specific. You could probably argue that Cilic is more dangerous than Berdych to Nadal and perhaps that Lopez is more dangerous than Querrey for the Spaniard.

I meant that some players are more dangerous to Nadal than to Federer & vice versa. After all, we know what the arguments are always about: whether Federer or Nadal has a cakewalk draw.

NADALbULLS
06-16-2010, 04:59 PM
StatRacket put a girl in lingerie in your pic instead, thanks, males are the ugliest people on earth.

TMJordan
06-16-2010, 05:02 PM
Speaking of cake, why is that fat gyro Baghdatis seeded? He spends more time in line at the local Mcdonalds than on the practice court.

NADALbULLS
06-16-2010, 05:03 PM
What is the point of rankings if they don't help you in a draw? At least Wimbledon is the only event to do this, I assume.

NyGeL
06-16-2010, 05:05 PM
at this moment:

1-2: Nadal
3-4: Djokovic
5-8: Soderling
9-12: Berdych
13-16: Youhzny
17-24: Isner
25-32: Baghdatis, then Kohl, then Gulbis

Mjau!
06-16-2010, 05:20 PM
1-2 Federer then Nadal
3-4 Murray then Djokovic
5-8 Roddick then Soderling
9-12 Cilic then Berdych
13-16 Hewitt then Melzer
17-24 Radek then Lopez
25-32 Gulbis then Karlovic

ApproachShot
06-16-2010, 06:36 PM
1-2 Federer
3-4 Murray
5-8 Roddick
9-12 Berdych then Cilic
13-16 Hewitt then Youzhny
17-24 Querrey then Lopez then Wawrinka (then Isner)
25-32 Kohlschreiber then Gulbis then Baghdatis (then Karlovic)

Floaters: Gasquet, Becker, Fish, Troicki, Petzschner

emotion
06-16-2010, 06:48 PM
hey, who is the alt? mugro could be out...

ImmzB
06-16-2010, 07:18 PM
1-2 R.Nadal

3-4 A.Murray

5-8 A.Roddick

9-12 T.Berdych

13-16 L.Hewitt

17-24 S.Querrey

25-32 E.Gulbis

Unseeded- R.Gasquet

Sophocles
06-16-2010, 10:25 PM
1-2: I'd say Federer is harder to beat on grass for most players, but Nadal has a slight edge against Fed.
3-4: Both out of form, but I've slightly more faith in Murray at the moment as a challenge to the top 2 and the rest. Having said that, if Djokovic is playing well enough to get to the semis, he could be just as dangerous for Nadal.
5-8: Soderling is the most dangerous for Federer & Nadal, but Roddick the most dangerous for the field as a whole & less likely to suffer an inexplicable loss.
9-12: Berdych for Nadal, probably for Fed too, & probably for the field in general - Cilic is unproven on grass, as is Tsonga.
13-16: Hewitt for all, Ferrero the next best on grass.
17-24: Isner for Nadal, Lopez for Federer, Querrey for the rest.
25-32: Gulbis for Nadal, arguably Baghdatis for Fed, Karlovic for the rest of the field.

Most dangerous floaters are Gasquet & Fish.

Matt H
06-17-2010, 12:21 AM
1-2: I'd say Federer is harder to beat on grass for most players, but Nadal has a slight edge against Fed.
3-4: Both out of form, but I've slightly more faith in Murray at the moment as a challenge to the top 2 and the rest. Having said that, if Djokovic is playing well enough to get to the semis, he could be just as dangerous for Nadal.
5-8: Soderling is the most dangerous for Federer & Nadal, but Roddick the most dangerous for the field as a whole & less likely to suffer an inexplicable loss.
9-12: Berdych for Nadal, probably for Fed too, & probably for the field in general - Cilic is unproven on grass, as is Tsonga.
13-16: Hewitt for all, Ferrero the next best on grass.
17-24: Isner for Nadal, Lopez for Federer, Querrey for the rest.
25-32: Gulbis for Nadal, arguably Baghdatis for Fed, Karlovic for the rest of the field.

Most dangerous floaters are Gasquet & Fish.

To me, Sophocles is just about spot-on target here.

I would only disagree (slightly) with Fed-Nadal, where I would still give Fed the edge on grass. Rafa's results recently have obviously been excellent...but those were on clay. He does have some time now after his early round loss to his buddy Lopez to "come down" from his Roland Garros high, rest up, and really prepare for the grass.

allpro
06-17-2010, 12:50 AM
1-2 Nadal
3-4 Murray
5-8 Roddick then Soderling
9-12 T-Berd
13-16 Hewitt then Melzer
17-24 Querrey then Radek
25-32 Dr. Ivo then Gulbis
Dangerous floaters: Gasquet then Fish

Ibracadabra
06-17-2010, 02:52 AM
What's the news on nalbandian?

Getta
06-17-2010, 03:12 AM
What's the news on nalbandian?

he was forced to pull out of Wimbledon.

http://www.fuebuena.com.ar/?p=8726

coonster14
06-17-2010, 05:24 AM
just my own $0.02

1-2 Nadal
3-4 Murray
5-8 Roddick, Soderling
9-12 Berdych only
13-16 Hewitt
17-24 Querrey, Isner, Sexy
25-32 Ernie, Baggy, Dr Ivo

Jills
06-17-2010, 05:42 AM
Why do people think Ivo is a dangerous player at Wimbledon? I love the guy, but last year was a fluke. Before that he lost 4 years in a row in the 1st rd...and he's coming off an injury.

Anyway, my picks:

1-2 Nadal (he can beat anyone when he's 100%, but Fed can't beat him when they're both 100%, period)

3-4 Murray

5-8 Soderling, then Roddick (almost a tie that one)

9-12 Berdych, then Tsonga (Marin's been in dreadful form lately & I don't trust him on grass)

13-16 Hewitt, then Youzhny

17-24 Isner, that's it. (Steps just back from major health issues, Querrey totally sucks at Slams and Masters, Lopez, Monf, Nico and Ljuby all somewhat injured, and Stan...I got nothin')

25-32 Gulbis, then Baghdatis

Dimitra
06-17-2010, 05:53 AM
1-2 Federer
3-4 Murray
5-8 Soderling,Roddick
9-12 Berdych
13-16 Hewitt Ferrero
17-24 Isner,Lopez(not sure about his newest..injury) Steps?
25-32 Kohlscreiber

Ivanatis
06-17-2010, 10:30 AM
1 Roger FEDERER (SUI) [2]
2 Rafael NADAL (ESP) [1]
3 Novak DJOKOVIC (SRB) [3]
4 Andy MURRAY (GBR) [4]
5 Andy RODDICK (USA) [7]
6 Robin SODERLING (SWE) [6]
7 Nikolay DAVYDENKO (RUS) [5]
8 Fernando VERDASCO (ESP) [9]
9 David FERRER (ESP) [11]
10 Jo-Wilfried TSONGA (FRA) [10]
11 Marin CILIC (CRO) [12]
12 Tomas BERDYCH (CZE) [13]
13 Mikhail YOUZHNY (RUS) [14]
14 Juan Carlos FERRERO (ESP) [17]
15 Lleyton HEWITT (AUS) [26]
16 Jurgen MELZER (AUT) [16]
17 Ivan LJUBICIC (CRO) [15]
18 Sam QUERREY (USA) [21]
19 Nicolas ALMAGRO (ESP) [18]
20 Stanislas WAWRINKA (SUI) [23]
21 Gael MONFILS (FRA) [20]
22 Radek STEPANEK (CZE) [25]
23 Feliciano LOPEZ (ESP) [30]
24 John ISNER (USA) [19]
25 Ivo KARLOVIC (CRO) [33]
26 Marcos BAGHDATIS (CYP) [27]
27 Thomaz BELLUCCI (BRA) [24]
28 Gilles SIMON (FRA) [32]
29 Ernests GULBIS (LAT) [29]
30 Albert MONTANES (ESP) [31]
31 Philipp KOHLSCHREIBER (GER) [35]
32 Tommy ROBREDO (ESP) [36]

Sophocles
06-17-2010, 10:49 AM
To me, Sophocles is just about spot-on target here.

I would only disagree (slightly) with Fed-Nadal, where I would still give Fed the edge on grass. Rafa's results recently have obviously been excellent...but those were on clay. He does have some time now after his early round loss to his buddy Lopez to "come down" from his Roland Garros high, rest up, and really prepare for the grass.

Don't get me wrong, I'd still take Federer over Nadal against any other player in the draw. But one-on-one, Nadal has a huge mental edge against Federer, & is as good as he was in 2007 - which was close - whereas Federer isn't.

Puschkin
06-17-2010, 11:12 AM
I have nothing against the guy, but Baghdatis has done little recently to justify him being mentioned so often.

Stefwhit
06-17-2010, 11:52 AM
1-2: I'd say Federer is harder to beat on grass for most players, but Nadal has a slight edge against Fed.

Yeah I'd agree with that. I'd say Fedtard has a better chance of reaching the final and if both he and Nadal do reach the final, then Nadal has better chance of winning.

Roamed
06-17-2010, 12:06 PM
@DrewLilley on Twitter says Karlovic is no longer on the entry list..

Jills
06-17-2010, 12:12 PM
I have nothing against the guy, but Baghdatis has done little recently to justify him being mentioned so often.

You're right, but neither has anyone in that particular group, and Marcos has a better record on grass (esp Wimbledon) than the rest.

Matt H
06-18-2010, 04:17 AM
Don't get me wrong, I'd still take Federer over Nadal against any other player in the draw. But one-on-one, Nadal has a huge mental edge against Federer, & is as good as he was in 2007 - which was close - whereas Federer isn't.

All of that makes complete sense, logically. But I still would give Federer the edge over Nadal, head-to-head, on grass -- even with Nadal's seeming mental 'hex' on him...as well as his high topspin shots to Fed's backhand. Despite Nadal's strong recent results (and Fed's so-so ones), I still think Federer will rise to the occasion at this tournament as he always does (his only blip being the fading light final of '08).

Sophocles
06-18-2010, 09:46 AM
All of that makes complete sense, logically. But I still would give Federer the edge over Nadal, head-to-head, on grass -- even with Nadal's seeming mental 'hex' on him...as well as his high topspin shots to Fed's backhand. Despite Nadal's strong recent results (and Fed's so-so ones), I still think Federer will rise to the occasion at this tournament as he always does (his only blip being the fading light final of '08).

Well, I hope he'd rise to the occasion, but I'll believe it when I see it.

Everko
08-24-2010, 03:53 PM
what about US dangers

Doomach777
08-24-2010, 03:58 PM
Ljubo could be very dangerous, but he wont get good draw + he is awfull at slams!

dweijnen
08-24-2010, 04:01 PM
1-2: Federer, because he's the better player on Hardcourt
3-4: Murray , has more talent then Djokovic.
5-8: Roddick, because he's playing home.
9-12: Ferrer, if he's in form he can beat everyone
13-16: Is a great fighter and nobody want's to draw him
17-24: Isner, he's in good form and can beat anyone.
25-32: Baghdatis, is in good form and he can make a run to the Quarter's

Roamed
08-24-2010, 04:25 PM
Here are the seeds in those groups:

1 R Nadal
2 R Federer

3 N Djokovic
4 A Murray

5 R Soderling
6 N Davydenko
7 T Berdych
8 F Verdasco

9 A Roddick
10 D Ferrer
11 M Cilic
12 M Youzhny

13 J Melzer
14 N Almagro
15 I Ljubicic
16 M Baghdatis

17 G Monfils
18 J Isner
19 M Fish
20 S Querrey
21 A Montanes
22 J-C Ferrero
23 F Lopez
24 E Gulbis

25 S Wawrinka
26 T Bellucci
27 F Gonzalez
28 R Stepanek
29 P Kohlschreiber
30 J Monaco
31 D Nalbandian
32 L Hewitt

Blackbriar
08-24-2010, 04:35 PM
1-2 FEDERER
3-4 MURRAY : even more dangerous than the 2 top seeds)
5-8 SODERLING : he has nothing to lose
9-12 FERRER : always good during the twilight of season
13-16 BAGHDATIS : 1 title + 1 final on hardcourt
17-24 GULBIS : maybe the time is right for him
25-32 NALBANDIAN : very dangerous!

djograft
08-24-2010, 04:41 PM
1-2 Federer and Nadal
3-4 Murray
5-8 Berdych
9-12 Roddick
13-16 Baghdatis
17-24 Gulbis and Fish
25-32 Nalbandian

Filo V.
08-24-2010, 04:53 PM
1-2 Roger. He's the better hard court player.

3-4 Murray. Better form than Nole.

5-8 Berdych. Best player and in the best form.

9-12 Cilic/Ferrer tied. Both are very dangerous threats to go deep, Roddick is slightly less of a threat to beat a top player.

13-16 Baghdatis. Special mention to Melzer.

17-24 Fish. Best form of all of these players. Several of these players have injury clouds.

25-32 Nalbandian. Obvious, he's the best player available.

jcempire
08-24-2010, 05:39 PM
Who knows??????????

Expect a surprise. Maybe a new name to win USO

n8
08-25-2010, 12:10 AM
Here are the seeds in those groups:

1 R Nadal
2 R Federer

3 N Djokovic
4 A Murray

5 R Soderling
6 N Davydenko
7 T Berdych
8 F Verdasco

9 A Roddick
10 D Ferrer
11 M Cilic
12 M Youzhny

13 J Melzer
14 N Almagro
15 I Ljubicic
16 M Baghdatis

17 G Monfils
18 J Isner
19 M Fish
20 S Querrey
21 A Montanes
22 J-C Ferrero
23 F Lopez
24 E Gulbis

25 S Wawrinka
26 T Bellucci
27 F Gonzalez
28 R Stepanek
29 P Kohlschreiber
30 J Monaco
31 D Nalbandian
32 L Hewitt

1-2 Federer
3-4 Murray
5-8 Berdych then Soderling, Davydenko
9-12 All out of form, but going with Roddick due to Cincy semi.
13-16 Baghdatis
17-24 Fish
25-32 Nalbandian
Most of the players who were going to be dangerous floaters got a seeding but I would say Dolgopolov and Gasquet.

On form there is one player who is way more dangerous than all the rest in the group for 13-16, 17-24 and 25-32. The draw could potentially be very lopsided.

doublebackhand
08-25-2010, 12:23 AM
1-2 Federer
3-4 Murray
5-8 Berdych then Soderling, Davydenko
9-12 All out of form, but going with Roddick due to Cincy semi.
13-16 Baghdatis
17-24 Fish
25-32 Nalbandian
Most of the players who were going to be dangerous floaters got a seeding but I would say Dolgopolov and Gasquet.

On form there is one player who is way more dangerous than all the rest in the group for 13-16, 17-24 and 25-32. The draw could potentially be very lopsided.

and who is that?

n8
08-25-2010, 12:52 AM
and who is that?

Sorry I meant one player in each group. Baghdatis in 13-16, Fish in 17-24 and Nalbandian in 25-32.

MalwareDie
08-25-2010, 01:10 AM
1-2 Federer
3-4 Murray
5-8 Soderling
9-12 Cilic
13-16 Baghdatis
17-24 Fish
25-32 Nalbandian

coonster14
08-25-2010, 03:01 AM
1-2 Federer
3-4 Murray
5-8 Soderling
9-12 Roddick
13-16 Baghdatis
17-24 Fish
25-32 Nalbandian

Johnny_Bravo
08-25-2010, 08:47 AM
Top seeds are all dangerous,especially when it comes to grand slam,but lets try this:

1-2 Fed - as much as I thought the guy was finished,he always seems to find a way and regains his form just before the USO starts.Nadal is also a tough lion for anyone,he has a heart of a champion and no one will surely like to have him in the part of the draw.

3-4 I just can't separate these two.Gimme the odds and maybe then I'll try :devil: Seriously,I believe this seeding group hides a future USO champion.

5-8 Verdasco,the guy is a combination of all the other guns this group posses.Yes he's in a bit of a slump recently,but remember this guy playing one of his best matches in last years USO against Djoko.

9-12 Cilic,again going with currently under performing lad,but I simply believe he's class above other players in this group atm.He can push,he can serve,can attack,again I would dare to say a combination of the rest three left in here.

13-16 Baghdatis,unless he gets carried away with new haven this week.Then I would go with SchMelzer.

17-24 Gulbis,mtf is praising fish these days,but this guy is a real hitter.Its like having Soderling,Potro or Berdych in this group,only more talented but less hard working obviously.

25-32 Bandy,not much to say here,the competition isn't anything much,and this guy deserves a top 10 place

As for the unseeded players,I would name simon,benne,istomin,marchenko as well as some of big hitters such as de bakker,mathieu,anderson,chardy or korolev.

Sophocles
08-25-2010, 11:33 AM
Again, this doesn't mean much unless you say most dangerous for WHOM. As the arguments about easy draws are invariably between Federer & Nadal fans, I'll pick who's most dangerous for Fed, who for Nadal, & who for the rest of the field.

1-2: Nadal is arguably more dangerous for Fed than vice versa, though perhaps not on this surface - even. Federer FAR more dangerous for the rest of the field though.
3-4: On current form, Murray is more dangerous for both Fed & Nadal, & for the rest of the field.
5-8: Leaving aside Verdasco, this is very close. I'd say Soderling for Nadal, Berdych for Fed, & Davydenko (if he recovers form) for the rest of the field. Both Sod & Davy are much more of a danger to Nadal than to Fed.
9-12: Hmm. If Cilic recovers some form, he'll be the most dangerous for Nadal & Fed. Roddick for the rest of the field.
13-16: Easily Baghdatis, for Nadal, Fed, & rest of field.
17-24: Gulbis for Nadal & Fed, Fish for the rest of the field (Nadal & Fed can return enough of Fish's serves & he'll have trouble against them with that forehand - but he's in better form than Gulbis).
25-32: Easily Nalbandian for all.

So I guess actually there's not much difference in who is dangerous for whom.

Certinfy
08-25-2010, 11:43 AM
1-2: Federer
3-4: Murray
5-8: Berdych
9-12: Roddick
13-16: Baghdatis
17-24: Gulbis
25-32: Nalbandian

Blackbriar
08-25-2010, 12:24 PM
so far:
Murray 8
Baghdatis 8
Federer 7
Nalbandian 7
Fish 5
Roddick 4
Berdych 4
Soderling 4
Nadal 2
Ferrer 2
Cilic 2
Gulbis 2
Davydenko 1
Isner 1