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Is Nadal Fit Enough to Retain No.1 Spot?

rocobaroco
06-16-2010, 05:45 AM
He already had both knees operated, recovered from it, and then had another hamstring problem within a few months He recovered from it as well, but it seems that he is again having some trouble (although not a major one) with his hamstring. I also feel that his top-spin style of playing will always make him open for wrist injury(ies) in future.

So, what do you guys think? Will he be able to keep himself fit in the coming years. One of the main reasons for Federer being right there on the top spot for so long was that he never really had a serious injury, but it seems Nadal is already showing signs of deterioration at 24.

andy neyer
06-16-2010, 05:54 AM
I've been hearing that Nadal's style wouldn't allow him to compete at the top for long since Nadal was 17 and yet, 7 years later he's number 1 in the world and has 7 GS to his name.

Yes, Nadal is fit enough. The harmstring issue was a minor thing really.

Priam
06-16-2010, 05:57 AM
If he goes deep at Wimbly he should have a nice lead at least til USO.

Sunset of Age
06-16-2010, 06:00 AM
Last time I checked, he is already back to #1.
And with a more-than-2000 points advantage over Fed coming into Wimbledon, he´ll virtually seal the deal of grabbing the #1 YE spot if he manages to reach the semis there.

In all, what the HELL are you talking about???

Pirata.
06-16-2010, 06:12 AM
He'll probably keep it until the end of the year, but imo, he won't have the longevity to maintain it over a long period of time.

emotion
06-16-2010, 06:15 AM
Nadal has a year or two left in him with some titles, even slams (probably RG)

rocobaroco
06-16-2010, 06:21 AM
I've been hearing that Nadal's style wouldn't allow him to compete at the top for long since Nadal was 17 and yet, 7 years later he's number 1 in the world and has 7 GS to his name.

Yes, Nadal is fit enough. The harmstring issue was a minor thing really.

I am not talking about if he is fit 'right now', am asking that if you think he will be fit enough to have a long carrier like Federer.

17 is a young age, one feels like he-man at that age. You think that you can overshadow everyone with your power. Its only later that one realizes that he has overused his stamina and then injuries start to appear.

I haven't heard of any other player who operated his either knees at 23. Kudos to Nadal that he was able to recover from such a serious injury, but we can not deny the fact that he is prone to serious injuries in future. That is what I would like to discuss.

Last time I checked, he is already back to #1.
And with a more-than-2000 points advantage over Fed coming into Wimbledon, he´ll virtually seal the deal of grabbing the #1 YE spot if he manages to reach the semis there.

In all, what the HELL are you talking about???

Its 'retain' and not 'regain'.

Add : I am not talking about Fedex-Rafa rivarly here. I am talking about his fitness. Last time he had some 4000 points lead over Federer, but then he had an injury after RG and he lost his rank in Wimbledon. So, 2000 isn't really a big lead once you are injured, and that's what I would like to discuss - fitness issues.

Topspin Forehand
06-16-2010, 06:24 AM
The Nadal hate in this thread is strong.

Sunset of Age
06-16-2010, 06:51 AM
The Nadal hate in this thread is strong.

Huh, wot? people are just discussing possible things that might happen. I don't see any 'Nadal hate' around here, considering his long story of injuries happening, it's just reality. :shrug:

andy neyer
06-16-2010, 06:52 AM
I am not talking about if he is fit 'right now', am asking that if you think he will be fit enough to have a long carrier like Federer.

Nadal's career has already been kind of long. He's been competing at the top level for over 8 years now and I don't see any reasons why he won't be able to keep going for more years to come. I am 100% sure he'll keep playing until at least his late twenties.

Sunset of Age
06-16-2010, 06:53 AM
I haven't heard of any other player who operated his either knees at 23. Kudos to Nadal that he was able to recover from such a serious injury, but we can not deny the fact that he is prone to serious injuries in future. That is what I would like to discuss.

Rafa never got an operation on his knees so far, unless you believe in quack medicine.

HarryMan
06-16-2010, 07:02 AM
If Nadal is able to dominate the clay court season the way he just did, each season, it will be quite tough for anyone to take the number one ranking back from him. All he needs to do is post decent results till April next year (and by decent I mean quarters and semi's which he is more than capable of doing), and ensure that he remains fit throughout the year, and thrash the field on the clay courts.

born_on_clay
06-16-2010, 08:16 AM
I've been hearing that Nadal's style wouldn't allow him to compete at the top for long since Nadal was 17 and yet, 7 years later he's number 1 in the world and has 7 GS to his name.

Yes, Nadal is fit enough. The harmstring issue was a minor thing really.

this one :worship:

wackykid
06-16-2010, 08:29 AM
Nadal's career has already been kind of long. He's been competing at the top level for over 8 years now and I don't see any reasons why he won't be able to keep going for more years to come. I am 100% sure he'll keep playing until at least his late twenties.

if you throw a coin and it lands up on heads 8 consecutive times... it doesn't mean that you will continue to land up another 8 consecutive times...

same for federer... he may be doing well for so many years doesn't mean he will continue doing that...

don't know why ppl tends to like to use history as a prediction for the future... it doesn't really work much of the time...

the points about injuries are quite valid ones imho... he may be able to take it now and recover fast... but one's recovering capabilities deteriorates with age... plus the cumulative effects of getting "re-injured" ... you are likely to take longer to recover...

so i wouldn't want to bet on rafa retaining no.1 spot for as long as federer did... for now... i think nobody is likely to even come CLOSE to 237 consecutive weeks... nor even sampras's 186 consecutive weeks..



regards,
wacky

Har-Tru
06-16-2010, 08:47 AM
No.

And before anyone jumps on me, I don't wish him any injury.

NADALbULLS
06-16-2010, 08:51 AM
Nadal doesn't even have to win a tournament for the rest of the year, and he'll still finish number one. This is the easiest year of his career! But no doubt he will have a great shot at Wimbledon and the US Open. What a splendid year this one is.

Bazooka
06-16-2010, 09:12 AM
He defends very little points until end of year, with Wimbledon and the Masters being his two best shots at going away from Federer.

Fed on the other hand has lots to defend, and has been exiting in early rounds of most tournaments this year except slams, Madrid and Halle, so I don't see him going strongly for every Masters 1000. And the rest of contenders don't have enough points and are not in good shape either.

So with just an "average" rest of the year for Nadal, with SF being his most usual result and maybe one win and a F, he should be able to retain #1 until clay next year.

Oh, and Nadal has never been on surgery as the OP says.

NADALbULLS
06-16-2010, 09:27 AM
Nadal hasn't been injured much in his career, he's just had tendonitis which is really a 'condition' which flares up and then disappears with rest. Players have it and play into their 30s (Venus, Serena in their knees and wrists, and Roddick). Nadal should have a long long long time at the top. He will have a longer prime than most, because he will work hard even when he's old, unlike others.

propi
06-16-2010, 09:40 AM
if you throw a coin and it lands up on heads 8 consecutive times... it doesn't mean that you will continue to land up another 8 consecutive times...

Then maybe you should start considering it's not a matter of luck;)

zeleni
06-16-2010, 11:44 AM
Yes, he is. :)

wackykid
06-16-2010, 02:24 PM
Then maybe you should start considering it's not a matter of luck;)

i never said it was luck... in fact it definitely is NOT luck... but this only shows how much you DON'T understand what i am saying...

my point is.. whether be it luck... skill... watever... as long as it's not something that can be determined by mathematics or physics... you cannot predict the future based on the past... so u cannot assume that nadal will remain as no.1 for as long as federer ever did...


regards,
wacky

peribsen
06-16-2010, 08:49 PM
And with a more-than-2000 points advantage over Fed coming into Wimbledon, he´ll virtually seal the deal of grabbing the #1 YE spot if he manages to reach the semis there.

I don't understand???
Going into Wimby, Nadal leads Fed by just 220 points (8,745 to 8,525). Where does the "more-than-2000 points advantage" come from?

Is it your mistake or am I missing something about how the rankings work? Have you disccounted Fed's 2000 points from WB-09?
:confused:

nanoman
06-16-2010, 09:06 PM
He has his knees operated, when ? Operations are for guys that are really injured. Nadal has some pain here and there, nothing too bad, unless you compare him against Federer(who's a freak when it comes to injuries).

There are plenty guys out there who have it really rough with injuries(Potro, Hewitt, Haas, FatDave, Davydenko, Safin...), Nadal certainly isn't one of them. He'll have an average tennis life-length, don't worry about that.

Sunset of Age
06-16-2010, 09:10 PM
I don't understand???
Going into Wimby, Nadal leads Fed by just 220 points (8,745 to 8,525). Where does the "more-than-2000 points advantage" come from?

Is it your mistake or am I missing something about how the rankings work? Have you disccounted Fed's 2000 points from WB-09?
:confused:

Simple, Fed has to DEFEND 2000 points at Wimbly and can gain zilch. Raf has zilch to defend and might GAIN 2000 points. In all, a possibility of a huge points swing of about 4000 points, should Fed bolt out early (ok, not much of a chance at that, but still) and Raf manages to win the whole thing. :shrug:

peribsen
06-16-2010, 09:10 PM
He has his knees operated, when ? Operations are for guys that are really injured. Nadal has some pain here and there, nothing too bad,

Wasn´t aware the litmus test for real injuries was surgery!!!
Guess you don't come from a medical background.

peribsen
06-16-2010, 09:14 PM
Simple, Fed has to DEFEND 2000 points at Wimbly and can gain zilch. Raf has zilch to defend and might GAIN 2000 points. In all, a possibility of a huge points swing of about 4000 points, should Fed bolt out early (ok, not much of a chance at that, but still) and Raf manages to win the whole thing. :shrug:

OK, so you were speaking conditionally. If Fed wins it and Rafa only makes the 4th round, he'd have a lead of only 400 points (220+180) which seems too small to predict he'll finish the year as nr 1.

Thanks for your answer :)

nanoman
06-16-2010, 09:16 PM
Wasn´t aware the litmus test for real injuries was surgery!!!
Guess you don't come from a medical background.

Well since informations about injuries are so vague, tanking and using injury excuses are so common, surgery to me is a good measure to determine the gravity of injuries.

Sunset of Age
06-16-2010, 09:19 PM
OK, so you were speaking conditionally. If Fed wins it and Rafa only makes the 4th round, he'd have a lead of only 400 points (220+180) which seems too small to predict he'll finish the year as nr 1.

Thanks for your answer :)

Well yes, anything can happen, of course. Fed also has a USO final and a win in Cincy to defend, i.e., another 2200 points. Thereafter it becomes quite equal, imho. As such, I do think that the YE #1 might well be decided in Wimbledon already - or very shortly thereafter.

We will see. :)

michellej
06-16-2010, 09:48 PM
He already had both knees operated, recovered from it, and then had another hamstring problem within a few months He recovered from it as well, but it seems that he is again having some trouble (although not a major one) with his hamstring. I also feel that his top-spin style of playing will always make him open for wrist injury(ies) in future.

So, what do you guys think? Will he be able to keep himself fit in the coming years. One of the main reasons for Federer being right there on the top spot for so long was that he never really had a serious injury, but it seems Nadal is already showing signs of deterioration at 24.

He did not have either of his knees operated on, Doctor, he rested them. He had tendonitis and I'm reporting you to the Medical Society.

Persimmon
06-16-2010, 10:34 PM
Doubtful.:o

Mjau!
06-16-2010, 10:50 PM
No.

And before anyone jumps on me, I don't wish him any injury.

You were convinced he wasn't fit enough to win Madrid & Roland Garros. :rolleyes: Clearly, you cannot be trusted. :p

@Sweet Cleopatra
06-16-2010, 11:01 PM
He is ALREADY no 1

He did it twice

So sure he has the style to be no 1

Any way he says he doesn't care about being no 1

BigJohn
06-16-2010, 11:16 PM
The times I have spent getting wiser and more spiritual in these forums have taught me that there are two main factors to consider in order to answer that question properly:

A- Rafa only ever loses when injured.

B- Other players' ranking and tournament wins are not legit when a healthy Rafa is not in the playing.

So Nadal will always be the real #1, the only legitimate one......everything......else........is.......bull shit.....

peribsen
06-16-2010, 11:23 PM
Well since informations about injuries are so vague, tanking and using injury excuses are so common, surgery to me is a good measure to determine the gravity of injuries.

Surely missing a slam where you are the defending champion should be proof enough? Not to speak of the very obvious slump in play and results Rafa showed in the last semester of 2009, compared to his game in the first 4 months of the year. Are you implying all that was only a play he put on to disguise his defeat to Soderling?

Leaving aside the fact that surgery is not the best nor the first option to be considered in many injuries.

luie
06-16-2010, 11:35 PM
Nadal hasn't been injured much in his career, he's just had tendonitis which is really a 'condition' which flares up and then disappears with rest. Players have it and play into their 30s (Venus, Serena in their knees and wrists, and Roddick). Nadal should have a long long long time at the top. He will have a longer prime than most, because he will work hard even when he's old, unlike others.
Welcome back nadullwillwineverthing.:wavey: we missed you for almost 14 months now that nadull didn't win a title off clay but here you are again in any event welcome back.

@Sweet Cleopatra
06-17-2010, 12:01 AM
Welcome back nadullwillwineverthing.:wavey: we missed you for almost 14 months now that nadull didn't win a title off clay but here you are again in any event welcome back.


This is new low.

Nadal made a remarkable clay season that wasn't done by any player but him, but oh lets forget about it cuz it is clay :rolleyes:

From millions of people around the world that played on clay since they were young, he was the only one to make this amazing season, he deserves its mention till our death. :wavey:

Har-Tru
06-17-2010, 12:12 AM
You were convinced he wasn't fit enough to win Madrid & Roland Garros. :rolleyes: Clearly, you cannot be trusted. :p

I never said he'd lose RG (not Madrid) because of his knees, though.

Topspin Forehand
06-17-2010, 12:42 AM
Huh, wot? people are just discussing possible things that might happen. I don't see any 'Nadal hate' around here, considering his long story of injuries happening, it's just reality. :shrug:
Predicting Nadal's downfall is hate.

Sunset of Age
06-17-2010, 12:43 AM
Predicting Nadal's downfall is hate.

Has it even occured to you that some might just be a bit worried about him? :rolleyes:

Topspin Forehand
06-17-2010, 12:52 AM
Has it even occured to you that some might just be a bit worried about him? :rolleyes:
Everyone's career is in jeopardy. It's part of the tour. No use worrying about it. Just hope for the best. As for those who sound like they are enjoying talking about Nadal's downfall is what I'm talking about when it comes to hating.

Mjau!
06-17-2010, 01:40 AM
I never said he'd lose RG (not Madrid) because of his knees, though.

Oh, really? :angel:

Been saying it all along: Nadal's knees are bad, very bad. His constant drop in play is very noticeable. I say it again: he won't win RG this year or a slam ever again.

Federer will beat him, if Nadal gets that far

Because Nadal and his knees aren't what they were

:p :o

osmonde
06-17-2010, 02:33 AM
At least, if Rafa does not go to Wimbledon, he will still be number one.
So, all points are for grab to distance Federer...and the rest.

He is the most fitted player, never had problem with shoulder, elbow, wrist, back, just knees and one time a foot in 2005.
He just played to long with pain and tendonitis in 2009.
He learned the hard way last year..
That is why, he quit Australian Open this year, when he felt pain...
So he skipped Rotterdam, Dubai, and came back later.
He managed better his calender and works hard to change his style.
Being more offensive reduces time on court, even if he makes more mistakes.
Very clever and strategic player, and a hard worker.
Never takes it for granted...
Hoping he cruises a long time for the benefit of tennis world.

nanoman
06-17-2010, 07:48 AM
Surely missing a slam where you are the defending champion should be proof enough? Not to speak of the very obvious slump in play and results Rafa showed in the last semester of 2009, compared to his game in the first 4 months of the year. Are you implying all that was only a play he put on to disguise his defeat to Soderling?

Leaving aside the fact that surgery is not the best nor the first option to be considered in many injuries.

Not really, his bad play and Wimbledon skipping is more of a result of him needing time to lick his wounds after a bad, bad defeat. Just like how Murray is sucking like no tomorrow after the AO-final. That's my personal theory on the matter.

wackykid
06-17-2010, 08:19 AM
The times I have spent getting wiser and more spiritual in these forums have taught me that there are two main factors to consider in order to answer that question properly:

A- Rafa only ever loses when injured.

B- Other players' ranking and tournament wins are not legit when a healthy Rafa is not in the playing.

So Nadal will always be the real #1, the only legitimate one......everything......else........is.......bull shit.....

this is sooooo ridiculous... in other words rafa's W/L in 2010 stands at 40-5... in 2009 is 66-14... over his career it's 441-96... so he has been injured (or not healthy) 5 times this yr... 14 times in 2009... etc... and 96 times over his career??? :haha::haha::haha:



regards,
wacky

christallh24
06-17-2010, 10:11 AM
He already had both knees operated,

:eek: Rafa had both knees operated on?! When did that happen...oh, wait...

So, what do you guys think? Will he be able to keep himself fit in the coming years. One of the main reasons for Federer being right there on the top spot for so long was that he never really had a serious injury, but it seems Nadal is already showing signs of deterioration at 24.

Rafa has been dealing with various niggles and injuries as long as he's been a pro, hasn't stop him from achieving what he has so far.

:lol: "Showing signs of deterioration at 24" Aside from one, please name me a player on tour that wouldn't trade all that Nadal's won and "showing signs of deterioration" form for their current one?

Nadal doesn't even have to win a tournament for the rest of the year, and he'll still finish number one. This is the easiest year of his career! But no doubt he will have a great shot at Wimbledon and the US Open. What a splendid year this one is.

I'm no prolific poster, but neither am I a bandwagoner. Just sayin'.

so u cannot assume that nadal will remain as no.1 for as long as federer ever did...

Where in this thread is anyone saying that?

He'll have an average tennis life-length, don't worry about that.

Think about all Rafa's won and achieved in his soon-to-be-average tennis life length! :speakles::awww: 18 masters (current ATP record) and 7 Majors (as many as some of the greats in total slam wins, which some say are the only things that count:bounce:) during a average tennis careera! Rafa:hearts::worship:!

Not really, his bad play and Wimbledon skipping is more of a result of him needing time to lick his wounds after a bad, bad defeat. Just like how Murray is sucking like no tomorrow after the AO-final. That's my personal theory on the matter.

RG '09 wasn't first bad clay loss. And it wasn't his first bad/humiliating one either. Hamburg, Wimbledon, USO'07, AO, Rome '08, and USO '09 were some hard loses in particular that he didn't need to time to lick his wounds, as you say. He did not need and wouldn't miss his favorite tournament for that. But, you're a Rafa hater so it makes you feel better to think this. Jay-Z says Rafa needs people like you. He too has lotsas haters, so I'll believe Bey's husband. :wavey:

wackykid
06-17-2010, 10:15 AM
Where in this thread is anyone saying that?

right... no....

but the statement "is nadal fit enough to retain no.1 spot" .... for how long will you classified as "retaining" ?? if it's just a few weeks then of cos nadal can retain #1 spot even if he suddenly isn't fit...

so you can say it's my assumption that for "retain no.1 spot" to be "long enough" to be considered as "retaining" ... i used federer's streak as benchmark... since there are ppl who like to compare nadal's superior h2h to federer. of cos can always disagree to this benchmark... but my next question will be how long is considered to be "retain no 1" ?? then i'll take it from there...


regards,
wacky

BigJohn
06-17-2010, 11:45 AM
this is sooooo ridiculous... in other words rafa's W/L in 2010 stands at 40-5... in 2009 is 66-14... over his career it's 441-96... so he has been injured (or not healthy) 5 times this yr... 14 times in 2009... etc... and 96 times over his career??? :haha::haha::haha:



regards,
wacky

I never pretended that the hardcore-rafatards made any sense.

Matt01
06-17-2010, 11:53 AM
The times I have spent getting wiser and more spiritual in these forums have taught me that there are two main factors to consider in order to answer that question properly:

A- Rafa only ever loses when injured.

B- Other players' ranking and tournament wins are not legit when a healthy Rafa is not in the playing.

So Nadal will always be the real #1, the only legitimate one......everything......else........is.......bull shit.....


Finally you got it.

Har-Tru
06-17-2010, 11:53 AM
Oh, really? :angel:







:p :o

Yes, but no only because of his knees. I'll explain myself better: I thought (and still think) Nadal's knees have been deteriorating through the clay season. And that he would lose to Federer should they meet in RG (not Madrid). What I hadn't foreseen is that Federer would miss the final. But of course he had to choose precisely this FO to put an end to his slams SF streak. :rolleyes:

About Nadal's knees, I hope I'm wrong (again) cause although I'm not a Nadal fan I don't with injuries to anyone, but I believe we'll see him struggle mightily come the hard court season after Wimbledon.

prafull
06-17-2010, 11:55 AM
Nadal's knees were operated? Thats news to me.

Foxy
06-17-2010, 12:02 PM
As Rafa's body stops developing, growing, maturing or whatever you may call it, theoretically he will have less problems with the knees. That would be the time when he becomes 25-26.
It is another thing if he continues overplaying. So if he manages his schedule and avoids 4h 3 setters he is pretty much safe and will be knee-injury free.

Sophocles
06-17-2010, 12:05 PM
Nadal will end this year No. 1 & probably next year too (without necessarily holding the spot continuously). That, in my opinion, is where it ends. 3 year-end Number Ones & say about 100 weeks as No. 1. How this answers the original question I don't know.

JolánGagó
06-17-2010, 12:39 PM
The times I have spent getting wiser and more spiritual in these forums have taught me that there are two main factors to consider in order to answer that question properly:

A- Rafa only ever loses when injured.

B- Other players' ranking and tournament wins are not legit when a healthy Rafa is not in the playing.

So Nadal will always be the real #1, the only legitimate one......everything......else........is.......bull shit.....

What a load of unoriginal, idiotic hata bullshit.

Cut the loop.

nanoman
06-17-2010, 03:27 PM
Think about all Rafa's won and achieved in his soon-to-be-average tennis life length! :speakles::awww: 18 masters (current ATP record) and 7 Majors (as many as some of the greats in total slam wins, which some say are the only things that count:bounce:) during a average tennis careera! Rafa:hearts::worship:!


I didn't say his career is average.
Length-wise his career will be average. He'll stop at around 30, unless he got bored after breaking all the records.


RG '09 wasn't first bad clay loss. And it wasn't his first bad/humiliating one either. Hamburg, Wimbledon, USO'07, AO, Rome '08, and USO '09 were some hard loses in particular that he didn't need to time to lick his wounds, as you say. He did not need and wouldn't miss his favorite tournament for that. But, you're a Rafa hater so it makes you feel better to think this. Jay-Z says Rafa needs people like you. He too has lotsas haters, so I'll believe Bey's husband. :wavey:

Non of those are as bad as his RG09 loss. Undefeated at RG, against an opponent he dislike even more than Federer. Crowd almost booing him off the court. Yeah, that loss hurt him more than anything. Add to that the divorce of his parents, he was in a mentall mess.

Start da Game
06-17-2010, 05:48 PM
He already had both knees operated, recovered from it, and then had another hamstring problem within a few months He recovered from it as well, but it seems that he is again having some trouble (although not a major one) with his hamstring. I also feel that his top-spin style of playing will always make him open for wrist injury(ies) in future.

So, what do you guys think? Will he be able to keep himself fit in the coming years. One of the main reasons for Federer being right there on the top spot for so long was that he never really had a serious injury, but it seems Nadal is already showing signs of deterioration at 24.

genuine nadal fans are never going to lose sleep over this because it's known that nadal has been having injuries since 17 but keeps going on and on.......

BigJohn
06-17-2010, 10:38 PM
What a load of unoriginal, idiotic hata bullshit.

Cut the loop.

Me a Rafa hater? You are grossly misinformed. Not at all.

lazybear
06-18-2010, 01:06 AM
As Rafa's body stops developing, growing, maturing or whatever you may call it, theoretically he will have less problems with the knees. That would be the time when he becomes 25-26.
It is another thing if he continues overplaying. So if he manages his schedule and avoids 4h 3 setters he is pretty much safe and will be knee-injury free.

Most men stop growing (in height, and physically) around the age of 20-21, the 25 year old limit is a myth, or at least not that common. Also, he's not your ordinary tennis player, as far as physique goes. Imo, he's still (or again) too heavy, and his footwork (altough extremely efficient) not the best to allow him to keep his relative health (he already had some minor problems with his knee this year, and now with his hamstring). I'm with Har-Tru on this one, i don't think he'll healthy enough to remain at the top for years, but i hope i'm wrong (on his health). He'll definitely win more slams, i just don't see him truly dominating this sport for years to come, as some of his fans expects him.

BigJohn
06-18-2010, 01:24 AM
i just don't see him truly dominating this sport for years to come, as some of his fans expects him.

When he did, he broke down in less than a year. Now older and with more wear and tear, it doesn't look like total domination like Federer did for so many years will be possible.

Clay Death
06-18-2010, 04:06 AM
The times I have spent getting wiser and more spiritual in these forums have taught me that there are two main factors to consider in order to answer that question properly:

A- Rafa only ever loses when injured.

B- Other players' ranking and tournament wins are not legit when a healthy Rafa is not in the playing.

So Nadal will always be the real #1, the only legitimate one......everything......else........is.......bull shit.....

is it cheap liquor or is the the crack pipe?

put that shit down old sport.

Clay Death
06-18-2010, 04:07 AM
genuine nadal fans are never going to lose sleep over this because it's known that nadal has been having injuries since 17 but keeps going on and on.......



affirmative general shankski.

djb84xi
06-18-2010, 04:26 AM
I think he is. As long as he follows a smart schedule and rests his knees when necessary, I think he'll be just fine for the rest of 2010 and beyond. Retaining that No. 1 spot will depend on performance too and if he does well at Wimby this year and NY especially, He'll have a hell of a grip on No. 1. Nothing is guaranteed though, so we'll see what happens from here on out.

BigJohn
06-18-2010, 04:48 AM
is it cheap liquor or is the the crack pipe?

put that shit down old sport.

Sorry mate, I was praying for death when making that post and that is what came out.

andy neyer
06-18-2010, 05:17 AM
Yes, but no only because of his knees. I'll explain myself better: I thought (and still think) Nadal's knees have been deteriorating through the clay season. And that he would lose to Federer should they meet in RG (not Madrid). What I hadn't foreseen is that Federer would miss the final. But of course he had to choose precisely this FO to put an end to his slams SF streak. :rolleyes:

About Nadal's knees, I hope I'm wrong (again) cause although I'm not a Nadal fan I don't with injuries to anyone, but I believe we'll see him struggle mightily come the hard court season after Wimbledon.

Yeah, I remember that. You said many many times that Federer was going to win RG and that Nadal's GS winning days were over. Then Nadal won the French...

Personally speaking, I don't think there was any way that Federer could have beaten Nadal in RG. Federer's h2h on clay vs Nadal tells a lot and the fact that he couldn't even beat him in Madrid (where the conditions suit his game a lot more) speaks volumes about his chances vs Nadal in an hypothetical RG final.
I say this as I see it.

The truth is that Nadal has had physical issues but it's nothing that terrible as many people make it seem. Other players have had much worse problems and they often get overlooked so I honestly don't understand the obsession and exaggeration with Nadal's so called problems. He'll keep going really.

Persimmon
06-18-2010, 01:30 PM
Watch Nadal get injured at Wimbledon with this horrible draw he got.:o:rolleyes:

Mimi
06-19-2010, 02:54 AM
Watch Nadal get injured at Wimbledon with this horrible draw he got.:o:rolleyes:

my dear, rafa is no coward:rolleyes:

Persimmon
06-27-2010, 04:02 PM
As we can see, he is not...

MariaV
06-27-2010, 04:04 PM
Watch Nadal get injured at Wimbledon with this horrible draw he got.:o:rolleyes:

You just had to jinx it, didn't you. :mad: :fiery:

Persimmon
06-27-2010, 04:14 PM
You just had to jinx it, didn't you. :mad: :fiery:

:o

He has been injured at all the slams since AO 2009, except for FO 2010. :o It was expected.

FO 2009: knees

Wimbledon 2009: knees

USO 2009: abdominal tear

AO 2010: knees

FO 2010: healthy for a change:rolleyes:

Wimbledon 2010: knees


You don't have to be psychic to predict he could have gotten injured at Wimbledon this year, since that is the norm for him at slams these days.:rolleyes:

Matt01
06-27-2010, 08:42 PM
As we can see, he is not...


Did he already lose at Wimbledon?

ORGASMATRON
06-27-2010, 08:44 PM
visionary thread. the answer your looking for is no.

swebright
06-27-2010, 09:01 PM
Nadal always plays injured. He himself said so. He will keep on playing injured.

He can still win many tournaments with 80%.

ApproachShot
06-27-2010, 11:12 PM
Barring withdrawal from a Grand Slam, his dominance on clay and consistency in non-clay Masters tournaments should be sufficient to stave off challenges to his number 1 ranking.

Djokovic, Murray and Soderling may not be consistent enough, Del Potro is unlikely to be at his best and Davydenko / Roddick are not really a threat from a rankings perspective. That leaves Federer and unless he starts winning and making more finals of non-slam tournaments (very unlikely since he has not been able to do this in the last couple of years) it's difficult to see how Rafa might be knocked off his perch in the near future.

Nadal need only dominate in the clay season, and the others will subsequently share points amongst themselves in the hard court season, succumbing to the odd loss to a lower ranked opponent in the process.

BigJohn
06-27-2010, 11:18 PM
The truth is that Nadal has had physical issues but it's nothing that terrible as many people make it seem. Other players have had much worse problems and they often get overlooked so I honestly don't understand the obsession and exaggeration with Nadal's so called problems. He'll keep going really.

Other #1 players?