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Seles & Nadal: Similar Paths To the Top of Tennis

collo1978
06-15-2010, 03:48 AM
This is an interesting article and very true, I wonder if that guy is still in jail for the stabbing-
Both Seles and Nadal are left handers who were a few years younger than the player they challenged. I would also add that both Graf and Federer have similar game styles based on their forehand, serve, and single handed backhand, and are seen by the tennis community as natural talents who are smoothly athletic in movement. (http://www.thebigtip.com.au/tennis/80-opinion/584-seles-a-nadal-similar-paths-to-the-top-of-tennis)


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Mimi
06-15-2010, 04:03 AM
i don't think that crazy man has spent a day in jail, he was freed, and whats worst, monica has to pay for the lawyers' fees, there is no justice for her, I can understand why she never returns to Gerrmany. Graf would have to retire should Monica not being stabbled :bigcry:

collo1978
06-15-2010, 04:14 AM
i don't think that crazy man has spent a day in jail, he was freed, and whats worst, monica has to pay for the lawyers' fees, there is no justice for her, I can understand why she never returns to Gerrmany. Graf would have to retire should Monica not being stabbled :bigcry:

2 years i think the guy got in jail, what a joke. geeze i just looked up seles record and how is this - From the period of January 1991 to February 1993, Seles reached the final in 33 out of 34 tournaments she competed, winning 22 titles in the process. Along the way, she compiled an astounding 159-12 win-loss record (92.9%) that easily rivals Roger Federer’s dominance today on the men’s tour. Monica’s performance when the stakes were high was even more impressive: at the most prestigious Grand Slam tournaments, Seles had won eight singles titles dating back to 1990, with a 55-1 Grand Slam record. Seles’s record-setting $2.6 million in prize money earned in 1992 was eclipsed only by her $7 million earned in endorsement deals.

Mimi
06-15-2010, 04:23 AM
2 years i think the guy got in jail, what a joke. geeze i just looked up seles record and how is this -
thanks collo1978, poor monica :sobbing::tears::hysteric:

Topspin Forehand
06-15-2010, 04:25 AM
The difference is Seles was robbed of her prime. She was owning Graf and was never the same after the psychological damage. I was enjoying her ownage of Graf before that stabbing. :(

froghop
06-15-2010, 04:33 AM
Seles grunts are as distinct as the Nadal grunts. Both serves were average. Her two-handed forehands are distinct just like the Nadal topspin forehand.

Their opponents were German - well Federer is Swiss-German. I really feel bad for Seles. She was one of my favorite wta players. Her stabbing probably akin to Nadal's injuries that will probably rob him of his full potential.

collo1978
06-15-2010, 04:33 AM
The difference is Seles was robbed of her prime. She was owning Graf and was never the same after the psychological damage. I was enjoying her ownage of Graf before that stabbing. :(

honestly what do you think would have happened if she wasn't stabbed, her stats were crazy. Her nadal would have been toe to toe on success

Mimi
06-15-2010, 04:34 AM
The difference is Seles was robbed of her prime. She was owning Graf and was never the same after the psychological damage. I was enjoying her ownage of Graf before that stabbing. :(
me too, I love Monica:inlove:

raahaat7
06-15-2010, 04:39 AM
The difference is Seles was robbed of her prime. She was owning Graf and was never the same after the psychological damage. I was enjoying her ownage of Graf before that stabbing. :(

same here. But for the stabbing she would have left behind a record that wud have been very hard to beat. Tragic.

Mechlan
06-15-2010, 05:59 AM
Their opponents were German - well Federer is Swiss-German. I really feel bad for Seles. She was one of my favorite wta players. Her stabbing probably akin to Nadal's injuries that will probably rob him of his full potential.

Please tell me you didn't just compare Seles' stabbing to Nadal's injuries. Nope, you did. Wow.

froghop
06-15-2010, 06:20 AM
No I didn't. The idea was that it was robbing of potential. And that's exactly what I posted. Not to say Nadal is done, either.

rafa_maniac
06-15-2010, 08:17 AM
Yes the Seles/Nadal vs Graf/Federer comparisons have been noted many times before. Not surprisingly I was always much more fond of Monica personally.

Acer
06-15-2010, 08:31 AM
No I didn't. The idea was that it was robbing of potential. And that's exactly what I posted. Not to say Nadal is done, either.

Nadal's injuries are a direct cause of his stupid style of play. Seles' stabbing had nothing to do with her game.

Frooty_Bazooty
06-15-2010, 09:37 AM
Nadal and Seles added a different dimension to the classic style of Graf and Federer, often prompting the rather conservative media and tennis community to almost brand them as somehow anti-tennis due to their approach to the game—in terms of their never say die attitude and willingness to take on the best player in the world and overcome their rivals.


wtf? who has ever branded nadal anti-tennis? why is it 'anti-tennis' to take on the best player in the world

also, did you notice that seles and nadal both have 2 arms and 2 legs too? wow amazing!!! coincidence! they also both have long hair and 6 letters in the forename and 5 in their surname. THEYRE TWINS

dabeast
06-15-2010, 09:38 AM
Guess that explains the comparisons. Steffi is my fave women's player ever and I don't care for Seles, her grunts and playing style, bleagh no thanks.

fabolous
06-15-2010, 09:57 AM
The difference is Seles was robbed of her prime. She was owning Graf and was never the same after the psychological damage. I was enjoying her ownage of Graf before that stabbing. :(
no, that was never the case. graf always lead the head-to-head and it ended up 10-5 in her favour. she also lead 6-4 when the stabbing happened. graf was in a little slump in the early nineties and also lost to other players.

the similarities between seles and nadal, well both are left-handed tennis players and both came to the top when another player dominated the field. i think that's where the similarities end, don't know if it makes sense to compare their playing styles.

btw, this has been discussed before in here.

froghop
06-15-2010, 01:58 PM
Nadal's injuries are a direct cause of his stupid style of play. Seles' stabbing had nothing to do with her game.

It's not the events or cicumstances, it more the end result that are similar. The end result for Seles is a career that was never the same and in the case of Nadal, a career that will never be the same. Both had to take a significant pause from their play, and of course for Nadal the pause was a much shorter one.

Andre'sNo1Fan
06-15-2010, 02:21 PM
wtf? who has ever branded nadal anti-tennis? why is it 'anti-tennis' to take on the best player in the world

Half of MTF for a start although admittedly most of them are Federer fans.

BlueSwan
06-15-2010, 02:28 PM
no, that was never the case. graf always lead the head-to-head and it ended up 10-5 in her favour. she also lead 6-4 when the stabbing happened. graf was in a little slump in the early nineties and also lost to other players.
Very true. I was a MASSIVE Seles fan back then and the losses to Graf pained me to no end. While Seles clearly dominated tennis before her stabbing, she never dominated Graf. Much like with Nadal and Federer only reversed. Federer has dominated tennis, but has never dominated Nadal.

peribsen
06-15-2010, 02:44 PM
Nadal's injuries are a direct cause of his stupid style of play.

So, 7 slams and 18 MS if I play stupid, no?

If Rafa's style of play is stupid, I wonder what you call all other (bar Fed) players' style of play????

Some people tend to forget that players play in order to (1) try to win big tournaments and (2) try to win huge amounts of money. Ten days after his 24th birthday, Nadal has already reaped a bunch on both counts... but some fools think his style is stupid because it may shorten his career... Sure, it's far more intelligent to go like most other top-5, a long, protracted, underachieving 1 or 2-slam wonder that ends up with half of Rafa's bank account!

Why keep it short but thrilling when you can make it long and boring? That seems to be the idea.

NADALbULLS
06-15-2010, 03:08 PM
So, 7 slams and 18 MS if I play stupid, no?

If Rafa's style of play is stupid, I wonder what you call all other (bar Fed) players' style of play????

Some people tend to forget that players play in order to (1) try to win big tournaments and (2) try to win huge amounts of money. Ten days after his 24th birthday, Nadal has already reaped a bunch on both counts... but some fools think his style is stupid because it may shorten his career... Sure, it's far more intelligent to go like most other top-5, a long, protracted, underachieving 1 or 2-slam wonder that ends up with half of Rafa's bank account!

Why keep it short but thrilling when you can make it long and boring? That seems to be the idea.

Maybe they think Nadal is stupid because he's stopped Federer from winning grand slam titles on 6 occasions.

Persimmon
06-15-2010, 04:54 PM
similarities between seles and nadal, well both are left-handed tennis players and both came to the top when another player dominated the field. i think that's where the similarities end.

Both grunt!

Topspin Forehand
06-15-2010, 05:50 PM
no, that was never the case. graf always lead the head-to-head and it ended up 10-5 in her favour. she also lead 6-4 when the stabbing happened. graf was in a little slump in the early nineties and also lost to other players.

the similarities between seles and nadal, well both are left-handed tennis players and both came to the top when another player dominated the field. i think that's where the similarities end, don't know if it makes sense to compare their playing styles.

btw, this has been discussed before in here.
She was owning Graf right before the stabbing though. It didn't start that way when she was younger or after the stabbing but the year before the stabbing was great time for women's tennis. :D

DrJules
06-15-2010, 06:17 PM
She was owning Graf right before the stabbing though. It didn't start that way when she was younger or after the stabbing but the year before the stabbing was great time for women's tennis. :D

Please check your facts:

http://www.tenniscorner.net/index.php?corner=w&action=headtohead&player1id=GRS001&player2id=SEM001

Mjau!
06-15-2010, 06:34 PM
Stupid comparision. Monica was assaulted by a crazy person and gravely insulted by the german judicial system, whereas Nadal on the other hand gets injured because of his playing style and ugly technique. Lots of stress on the knees, over and over and over, leading to injures is not bad luck although a shame. Besides, Rafa only missed 2 tournaments while Monica was deeply traumatized...

i don't think that crazy man has spent a day in jail, he was freed, and whats worst, monica has to pay for the lawyers' fees, there is no justice for her, I can understand why she never returns to Gerrmany. Graf would have to retire should Monica not being stabbled :bigcry:

Wow, what a disrespectful hater! :rolleyes: :wavey:

The difference is Seles was robbed of her prime. She was owning Graf and was never the same after the psychological damage. I was enjoying her ownage of Graf before that stabbing. :(

Seles only ever beat Graf on clay and rebound ace... The H2H during Monica's prime was 4-3 Seles on all surfaces, 3-2 MS in slams, 3-1 Seles on clay, 1-1 on HC (Seles winning 10-8 in the 3rd on rebound ace and Steffi winning comfortably on fast hard) and 1-0 Graf on grass (6-2, 6-1 :o)... Hardly ownage. :rolleyes: That was the low point of Steffi's career and she was losing far more often than usual vs the other top players. Monica only had to face Steff in 3 of her 8 slams wins (1AO and 2RG).

prafull
06-15-2010, 07:09 PM
Stupid comparisons.

Seles was 5-10 H2H against Graf.

Nadal is 14-7 against Federer.

Topspin Forehand
06-15-2010, 07:33 PM
Seles only ever beat Graf on clay and rebound ace... The H2H during Monica's prime was 4-3 Seles on all surfaces, 2-2 in slams, 3-1 Seles on clay, 1-1 on HC (Seles winning 10-8 in the 3rd on rebound ace and Steffi winning comfortably at the US Open) and 1-0 Graf on grass (6-2, 6-1 :o)... Hardly ownage. :rolleyes: That was the low point of Steffi's career and she was losing far more often than usual vs the other top players. Monica only had to face Steff in 2 of her 8 slams wins (AO and RG).
Monica was just beginning her prime before a fan took it in his own hands to change history. Seles was only getting better and Graf having a low point had to do with her devastating losses against Seles. It led into more losses. Similar to what Nadal did to Federer in 2008.

harleyquin
06-15-2010, 08:11 PM
rg 1990-ao 1993: Seles won 8 out of 11 Slams and 3 Masters. She had just turned 19 when she was stabbed and was robbed of what was going to be the greatest tennis carreer of all times.
30 April 1993: the day the game changed, FOREVER.

Mjau!
06-15-2010, 08:30 PM
Monica was just beginning her prime before a fan took it in his own hands to change history. Seles was only getting better and Graf having a low point had to do with her devastating losses against Seles. It led into more losses. Similar to what Nadal did to Federer in 2008.

Which doesn't mean Seles was owning Graf as you claimed. Plenty of female players have peaked very early, whether Seles would have improved or not is anyone's guess.

That is garbage which should be obvious to everyone when looking at their H2H and Steffi's achievements in those years.

Mjau!
06-15-2010, 08:33 PM
BTW, Federer lost more matches than usual before RG-Wimby -08 and played his best tennis of the year post Wimbledon (though he was obviously poor in the next 3 tournaments).

Topspin Forehand
06-15-2010, 08:35 PM
Which doesn't mean Seles was owning Graf as you claimed. Plenty of female players have peaked very early, whether Seles would have improved or not is anyone's guess.

That is garbage which should be obvious to everyone when looking at their H2H and Steffi's achievements in those years.
Anyone watching the matches of Seles before she got stabbed knew she would be take over and was beating Graf. It's pathetic that anyone would doubt what Seles was capable of. She was ready to take over. A Graf fan felt threatened of this obviously and took it in his own hands to prevent it from happening. I think Seles would've done what Nadal was doing to Federer if this incident never happened.

Mjau!
06-15-2010, 08:42 PM
No one cares what you think was gonna happen. It is simply incorrect to claim that Seles was "owning" Graf and that's the bottom line here. Monica was far more succesful at this time, but the H2H was very close with Seles only having the upper hand on merely one surface and failing to win a single set on fast surfaces. Your speculation on how things would have turned out if the stabbing had never occurred is of no interest at all to me.

Topspin Forehand
06-15-2010, 08:50 PM
No one cares what you think was gonna happen. It is simply incorrect to claim that Seles was "owning" Graf and that's the bottom line here. Monica was far more succesful at this time, but the H2H was very close with Seles only having the upper hand on merely one surface and failing to win a single set on fast surfaces. Your speculation on how things would have turned out if the stabbing had never occurred is of no interest at all to me.
She beat Graf at the French Open and the Australian Open. I think she could do it at the US Open as well. We'll never know though as she was cut of her prime.

Sophocles
06-15-2010, 09:12 PM
BTW, Federer lost more matches than usual before RG-Wimby -08 and played his best tennis of the year post Wimbledon (though he was obviously poor in the next 3 tournaments).

He was stinking up the joint until the U.S. Open. Lost to Fish & Roddick. Lost to Stepanek on clay. Then losses to Simon, Karlovic, & Blake.

NADALbULLS
06-15-2010, 11:16 PM
This has nothing to do with Seles/Graf but I'll post it anyway seeing as this is the only WTA thread on the board:

Hingis leads Venus 11-10 head-to-head.

Serena leads Hingis 7-6.

Hingis beat both Serena and Venus at the 2001 Australian Open.

Hingis beat Venus in 2006.

The greatest genius in tennis history can't be denied, even against the 2 best athletes in tennis history.

raahaat7
06-16-2010, 03:08 AM
rg 1990-ao 1993: Seles won 8 out of 11 Slams and 3 Masters. She had just turned 19 when she was stabbed and was robbed of what was going to be the greatest tennis carreer of all times.
30 April 1993: the day the game changed, FOREVER.

this

collo1978
06-16-2010, 05:48 AM
She beat Graf at the French Open and the Australian Open. I think she could do it at the US Open as well. We'll never know though as she was cut of her prime.

Yep we will never know but to end up beating Graf in the final of the US open geeze that would have been something.

wackykid
06-16-2010, 06:55 AM
i was a fan of seles then too!! she is my all-time fav player in wta... :love: :love:

it's pathetic to see how low wta has fallen to now... sad...


regards,
wacky

Mechlan
06-16-2010, 07:15 AM
Anyone watching the matches of Seles before she got stabbed knew she would be take over and was beating Graf. It's pathetic that anyone would doubt what Seles was capable of. She was ready to take over. A Graf fan felt threatened of this obviously and took it in his own hands to prevent it from happening. I think Seles would've done what Nadal was doing to Federer if this incident never happened.

Seles was fantastic before the stabbing, but "anyone watching knew she would take over" is bullshit. There are also a LOT of young tennis players who grow up, lose their fearlessness and are never as good when they get older. What would have happened in the future, it's anybody's guess, and it's pure speculation. It's a shame that we were deprived of seeing it, that's really all that can be said.

HKz
06-16-2010, 02:55 PM
2 years i think the guy got in jail, what a joke. geeze i just looked up seles record and how is this -

ATP records and WTA records and incomparable. How many times does this forum need to point that out?

peribsen
06-17-2010, 01:27 PM
I'm surprised to see how many people keep stating that German justice let Seles down or that the man who attacked her should have gotten a far stiffer sentence. The guy was obviously unbalanced and was submitted to compulsory psychiatric treatment. What else can anybody expect from a civilized justice system? The issue of whether he poses a future threat to anyone else should be left in the hands of his doctors. Some of you sound quite medieval in your attitudes towards mental illness!