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Who do you think will get the number 1 seed for Wimbledon: Federer or Nadal?

danieln1
06-13-2010, 07:20 PM
Do you think they will bump Federer to number 1, because he won last year and Nadal didn´t play... If they use that formula they have considering the last two years of grass court matches, then Federer might get the number 1 seed... but it wouldn´t make a lot of diference though

allpro
06-13-2010, 07:23 PM
I'd be shocked if Nadal wasn't the top seed.

Frooty_Bazooty
06-13-2010, 07:26 PM
according to the wimbledon seeding formula, Federer will be the number 1 seed

Certinfy
06-13-2010, 07:26 PM
Murray.

allpro
06-13-2010, 07:36 PM
according to the wimbledon seeding formula, Federer will be the number 1 seed

I stand corrected. Do you know what the point totals will be?

Persimmon
06-13-2010, 07:37 PM
Federer.

barbadosan
06-13-2010, 07:46 PM
Can't remember offhand, were the seedings for Wimbledon actually announced before Nadal withdrew? I think the bump you're referring to is playing first match on centre court, which is reserved for the defending champion, no matter what his seeding is after the formula is applied. With no defeding champion, Roger opened on centre court as the previous year's runner-up

ShotmaKer
06-13-2010, 07:46 PM
I'd be shocked if Nadal wasn't the top seed.

is this the first wimbledon you will watch ? as for the formula, you need to add 100% points earned by a player on grass over the past 12 months but also 75% of the points in the 12 months before that - Nadal did not play any grass tournament last year.

barbadosan
06-13-2010, 07:49 PM
is this the first wimbledon you will watch ? as for the formula, you need to add 100% points earned by a player on grass over the past 12 months but also 75% of the points in the 12 months before that - Nadal did not play any grass tournament last year.

Yup. That's why there's really no need for a poll. It's a straight mathematical formula

Sapeod
06-13-2010, 07:51 PM
Federer is the no.1 seed for the tourney, as he should.

I'm more surprised that Montanes gets a seeding :lol:

allpro
06-13-2010, 07:52 PM
is this the first wimbledon you will watch ? as for the formula, you need to add 100% points earned by a player on grass over the past 12 months but also 75% of the points in the 12 months before that - Nadal did not play any grass tournament last year.

what's the points total?

ShotmaKer
06-13-2010, 07:55 PM
what's the points total?

just gave you the formula - do the maths ?

allpro
06-13-2010, 07:56 PM
just gave you the formula - do the maths ?

gracias chica ;)

GuiroNl
06-13-2010, 08:01 PM
Why don't you check Judio's updated ranking thread. It has all the seedings for Wimbledon including the point totals right there ...

Frooty_Bazooty
06-13-2010, 08:02 PM
is this the first wimbledon you will watch ? as for the formula, you need to add 100% points earned by a player on grass over the past 12 months but also 75% of the points in the 12 months before that - Nadal did not play any grass tournament last year.

no its actually just 75% of the points for the best ONE grass tournament result from 2 years ago

so Rafa is only getting his 2008 wimbledon victory - 2000 x 0.75 = 1500 points

Roger is around 1500 points ahead of Rafa after the formula as he has 2000 points from 2009 and 900 points from 2008 (1200 x 0.75 = 900)

Fedicilous
06-13-2010, 08:07 PM
I'm shocked. Though that Feliciano Lopez oraz Berrer will be top seed.

allpro
06-13-2010, 08:08 PM
Why don't you check Judio's updated ranking thread. It has all the seedings for Wimbledon including the point totals right there ...

thanks guironi. here are the wimbledon seeds:

And the Wimbledon Seeds will be as follows


1 Federer

2 Nadal

3 Djokovic
4 Murray

5 Roddick
6 Soderling
7 Davydenko
8 Verdasco

9 Ferrer
10 Tsonga
11 Cilic
12 Berdych

13 Youzhny
14 Ferrero
15 Hewitt
16 Melzer

17 Ljubicic
18 Querrey
19 Almagro
20 Wawrinka
21 Monfils
22 Stepanek
23 Isner
24 Lopez F

25 Karlovic
26 Baghdatis
27 Bellucci
28 Simon
29 Gulbis
30 Montanes
31 Kohlschreiber
32 Robredo

l_mac
06-13-2010, 08:13 PM
I'm more surprised that Montanes gets a seeding :lol:

Why are you surprised? You have him in your sig, so you surely know his ranking :confused:

Sapeod
06-13-2010, 08:26 PM
Why are you surprised? You have him in your sig, so you surely know his ranking :confused:
I fully understand how the seedings are made now, so not very surprised anymore.

andy neyer
06-13-2010, 08:27 PM
Makes no difference and I don't care.

Fedicilous
06-13-2010, 08:29 PM
Well , I think It makes some difference. If the draw is unlucky for Fed, I can criticize the grass points system,which made him top seed :P.
Similar situation to Nadal and his draw.

delpiero7
06-13-2010, 08:32 PM
Makes no difference and I don't care.

It will make a difference when Murray, Roddick, Soderling, Tsonga, Berdych, Cilic, Hewitt, Querrey, Isner, Karlovic and Gulbis ALL fall into the same half, and the seeded grass clowns all fall into the other half. ;) :devil:

l_mac
06-13-2010, 08:38 PM
I fully understand how the seedings are made now, so not very surprised anymore.

It's really cute to see you learning! :awww:

Helevorn
06-13-2010, 08:57 PM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=155513

peribsen
06-13-2010, 09:08 PM
Only 8 Spaniards among the 32 seeds? How do they want us to win anything if the rest of the world is given 3 times more? These cunning Anglos, always conspiring against us!!
World ain't fair.

born_on_clay
06-13-2010, 09:15 PM
jesus christ
3 votes for Rafa ???
It seems people doesn't know the Wimbledon's seeding formula :o

Sapeod
06-13-2010, 09:16 PM
It's really cute to see you learning! :awww:
:hug:

Pirata.
06-13-2010, 09:17 PM
It will make a difference when Murray, Roddick, Soderling, Tsonga, Berdych, Cilic, Hewitt, Querrey, Isner, Karlovic and Gulbis ALL fall into the same half, and the seeded grass clowns all fall into the other half. ;) :devil:

:spit:

It probably won't, but wow if this happens :haha:

allpro
06-13-2010, 09:19 PM
jesus christ
3 votes for Rafa ???
It seems people doesn't know the Wimbledon's seeding formula :o

i didn't know the formula. i actually thought the committee still had some discretion as with the women's side :o :o

andy neyer
06-13-2010, 09:23 PM
It will make a difference when Murray, Roddick, Soderling, Tsonga, Berdych, Cilic, Hewitt, Querrey, Isner, Karlovic and Gulbis ALL fall into the same half, and the seeded grass clowns all fall into the other half. ;) :devil:

I know but when it comes to the first and second seed it doesn't. Big boo is Federer is seeded second and Nadal is seeded first or viceversa. Makes no difference for them.

l_mac
06-13-2010, 09:27 PM
It will make a difference when Murray, Roddick, Soderling, Tsonga, Berdych, Cilic, Hewitt, Querrey, Isner, Karlovic and Gulbis ALL fall into the same half, and the seeded grass clowns all fall into the other half. ;) :devil:

Tsonga, Cilic and Berdych can't all be in the same half :sport:

born_on_clay
06-13-2010, 09:27 PM
i didn't know the formula. i actually thought the committee still had some discretion as with the women's side :o :o

I hope it's all clear for you now :wavey:

mrserenawilliams
06-13-2010, 09:29 PM
Whoops...thought it said "should".

Rafa SHOULD be the #1 seed, but whether he or Roger is #1 it doesn't really matter that much.

Wolfy
06-13-2010, 09:31 PM
Rafa.
What has Fed done since winning AO.

Pirata.
06-13-2010, 09:32 PM
Rafa.
What has Fed done since winning AO.

That's not how Wimbledon's seeding formula works :wavey:

ShotmaKer
06-13-2010, 09:43 PM
Rafa.
What has Fed done since winning AO.

so you actually think it's yours to chose ? go back to fangirling WTA players.

Wolfy
06-13-2010, 10:09 PM
That's not how Wimbledon's seeding formula works :wavey:

so you actually think it's yours to chose ? go back to fangirling WTA players.

Go back to your fedbase.
its not how seeding works either because you fanboys want it to.
if we talk Ranking here Rafa.I let the official to do the seeding and
when it comes out it,don't Cry ok? now layback and fuck off to your playgroup.:wavey:

oranges
06-13-2010, 10:20 PM
Go back to your fedbase.
its not how seeding works either because you fanboys want it to.
if we talk Ranking here Rafa.I let the official to do the seeding and
when it comes out it,don't Cry ok? now layback and fuck off to your playgroup.:wavey:

You're still not getting it :lol: The seeding formula was explained in the thread and it's been around for quite a few years. All the seeds have been posted already here too or are you questioning whether Judio knows his stuff? Federer will be the No1 seed. Let's try one more time - they combine normal ranking points and grass points from past two years to come up with the seeds.

Jimnik
06-13-2010, 10:22 PM
Since when is this a matter of opinion? :silly:

ShotmaKer
06-13-2010, 10:28 PM
Go back to your fedbase.
its not how seeding works either because you fanboys want it to.
if we talk Ranking here Rafa.I let the official to do the seeding and
when it comes out it,don't Cry ok? now layback and fuck off to your playgroup.:wavey:

so clueless it's not even funny. fuck off yourself and grow a brain cell while at it.

Wolfy
06-13-2010, 10:28 PM
You're still not getting it :lol: The seeding formula was explained in the thread and it's been around for quite a few years. All the seeds have been posted already here too or are you questioning whether Judio knows his stuff? Federer will be the No1 seed. Let's try one more time - they combine normal ranking points and grass points from past two years to come up with the seeds.

Fine I won't be crying if its not Rafa,unlike some people :wavey:

Wolfy
06-13-2010, 10:34 PM
so clueless it's not even funny. fuck off yourself and grow a brain cell while at it.

Who needs them on mtf.
its all brainless bashing.

n8
06-14-2010, 12:13 AM
Draw wise, being the number one or two seed makes no difference. However, the difference between the number two and three seed can be large. I remember in 2005, world number two Hewitt got the number three seeding after Roddick and had to play Federer in the semis instead of the final.

Sunset of Age
06-14-2010, 12:44 AM
Go back to your fedbase.
its not how seeding works either because you fanboys want it to.
if we talk Ranking here Rafa.I let the official to do the seeding and
when it comes out it,don't Cry ok? now layback and fuck off to your playgroup.:wavey:

You don't seem to have any clue about how the Wimbledon seedings work.
Let me guess, 12-year old?

It won't matter anyways: Rafa and Roger will be seeded #1 and #2, and as such, in opposite side of the draws.

Bagelicious
06-14-2010, 01:02 AM
Fine I won't be crying if its not Rafa,unlike some people :wavey:

Well it isn't Rafa and if you'd been smart enough to actually read the thread before posting, you would have read this post by allpro on the second page which clearly shows what the seeds are.

Oh, and like you, allpro wasn't sure how the seeding worked, but unlike you, was able to figure it out without bitching at other posters.

And the Wimbledon Seeds will be as follows


1 Federer

2 Nadal

3 Djokovic
4 Murray

5 Roddick
6 Soderling
7 Davydenko
8 Verdasco

9 Ferrer
10 Tsonga
11 Cilic
12 Berdych

13 Youzhny
14 Ferrero
15 Hewitt
16 Melzer

17 Ljubicic
18 Querrey
19 Almagro
20 Wawrinka
21 Monfils
22 Stepanek
23 Isner
24 Lopez F

25 Karlovic
26 Baghdatis
27 Bellucci
28 Simon
29 Gulbis
30 Montanes
31 Kohlschreiber
32 Robredo

jenanun
06-14-2010, 01:33 AM
there is no real difference between seed 1 and 2...
the key is between 2 and 3.....

coonster14
06-14-2010, 01:42 AM
according to judio's thread (posts #2/#3) http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=155513
federer is #1 seed, and nadal is #2 seed.

Sunset of Age
06-14-2010, 01:43 AM
according to judio's thread (posts #2/#3) http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=155513
federer is #1 seed, and nadal is #2 seed.

Yep. And even it were the other way round, it would make no difference whatsoever, so in all, whining about it makes no sense.

Navratil
06-14-2010, 08:52 AM
Please com on: Federer is (still) the heavy favorite for Wimbledon!

He's human! Remember how inconsistent Sampras or Agassi have been!!!! Be fair!

A_Skywalker
06-14-2010, 08:53 AM
Please com on: Federer is (still) the heavy favorite for Wimbledon!

He's human! Remember how inconsistent Sampras or Agassi have been!!!! Be fair!

Favorite doesnt mean that he has to be n1 seed. Its all down to the calculation :p

Lopez
06-14-2010, 10:19 AM
20 votes for Nadal :worship:

NADALbULLS
06-14-2010, 10:21 AM
I thought they only used the formula when there was a question over a player's ability on grass. That's what I've been told in the past anyway.

oranges
06-14-2010, 10:27 AM
I thought they only used the formula when there was a question over a player's ability on grass. That's what I've been told in the past anyway.

That would be one fair and transparent system :lol: So, how would you propose to determine which players to use the formula on and which not? And how would they reconcile the fact that some would have grass points added and some not?

NADALbULLS
06-14-2010, 10:33 AM
That would be one fair and transparent system :lol: So, how would you propose to determine which players to use the formula on and which not? And how would they reconcile the fact that some would have grass points added and some not?

I'm not saying I agree with it, that's just what I've been told over the years. Plus a recent yahoo tennis article says Nadal will likely be the number one seed-

http://sports.yahoo.com/tennis/blog/busted_racquet/post/Roger-Federer-is-still-the-favorite-to-win-Wimbl;_ylt=AuxRYXW42TOuecsFIw3TwOw4v7YF?urn=ten,24 7205

In a span of one week, Roger Federer had his streak of 23 straight Grand Slam semifinal appearances snapped, was replaced atop the ATP rankings and saw the bulk of the pre-Wimbledon hype shift toward Rafael Nadal. Despite all that, Federer is still the odds-on favorite to hoist the Gentleman's singles trophy next month at the grass-court tournament.

At the moment, oddsmakers are listing Federer as an 11/8 favorite to win, compared to 5/2 odds for Nadal. It makes sense; Federer is 48-1 in the last seven years at Wimbledon with that lone loss coming, of course, to Nadal in their legendary 2008 final. The Swiss star has won the title six times in his career.

It's not that Nadal is a grass-court slouch though. Since the Spaniard burst onto the tennis scene and improved his clay-court game enough to compete on grass, he's 19-2 at Wimbledon with his only losses coming in the finals to Federer. He'll likely be the top seed at the championships thanks to his No. 1 ranking.

oranges
06-14-2010, 10:36 AM
Ah, the famous yahoo journos, as informed as the average MTF poster.

NADALbULLS
06-14-2010, 10:46 AM
They should seed like they do the women, go by the rankings except for a specific change here or there.

ToniTennis
06-14-2010, 11:32 AM
Should be Fed.

jenanun
06-15-2010, 05:34 PM
well its wimbledon, they can do whatever they want... if they like they can count the grass points in last 10 years....

honestly the rules are stupid (not just seeding), no play on 1st sunday, dress code....

Persimmon
06-15-2010, 05:44 PM
For superstitious reasons I'm sure Rafa prefers to be the #2 seed...:wavey:

JanKowalski
06-15-2010, 09:23 PM
well its wimbledon, they can do whatever they want... if they like they can count the grass points in last 10 years....

honestly the rules are stupid (not just seeding), no play on 1st sunday, dress code....

What is stupid about the dress code ? :confused:

Roamed
06-15-2010, 10:36 PM
I thought they were announcing them today, apparently the date on the website changed to tomorrow though.

brent-o
06-16-2010, 12:57 AM
I'm confused. Does Wimbledon normally seed differently than the rankings? I'm hearing things about a formula, but I can't remember too recently when it hasn't reflected the rankings.

Dimitra
06-16-2010, 01:05 AM
there shouldn't be even a debate over this :rolleyes: it's all clear according to the formula Fed gets it.We don't have to wait them to announce it to be certain.:rolleyes:

Frooty_Bazooty
06-16-2010, 01:09 AM
35% of people still dont understand the seeding system for Wimbledon, even after its been mentioned several times in this thread :smash:

Sunset of Age
06-16-2010, 01:11 AM
35% of people still dont understand the seeding system for Wimbledon, even after its been mentioned several times in this thread :smash:

Yeah, fantastic, isn't it? :crazy:

Dimitra
06-16-2010, 01:13 AM
35% of people still dont understand the seeding system for Wimbledon, even after its been mentioned several times in this thread :smash:

that's beyond the reading and comprehension skills of the average mtf poster.:shrug: :sad:

JanKowalski
06-16-2010, 01:14 AM
I'm confused. Does Wimbledon normally seed differently than the rankings? I'm hearing things about a formula, but I can't remember too recently when it hasn't reflected the rankings.

I think they have been using the formula for some years. Perhaps you didn't notice it because Fed has been No. 1 in rankings for some years also.

NADALbULLS
06-16-2010, 02:01 AM
LOL the Federer fans are getting desperate for their number one seeding. Means a lot by the sounds of it!

Dimitra
06-16-2010, 02:03 AM
LOL the Federer fans are getting desperate for their number one seeding. Means a lot by the sounds of it!

No need to get desperate for something you already have.:wavey:

Sunset of Age
06-16-2010, 02:08 AM
LOL the Federer fans are getting desperate for their number one seeding. Means a lot by the sounds of it!

:scratch: Huh? Like about all knowledgeable tennis fans (not per sé Federer fans) have already pointed out that being #1 or #2 seed doesn't make any difference, so I have no idea what you're hinting at here.

NADALbULLS
06-16-2010, 02:19 AM
Exactly, so why do you guys keep bumping this thread?

Dimitra
06-16-2010, 02:30 AM
Exactly, so why do you guys keep bumping this thread?

yes because everyone who posts here must be a Fedtard right?;)

Logic isn't your strongest point now is it?:wavey:

adam10
06-16-2010, 07:13 AM
Murray

danieln1
06-16-2010, 04:42 PM
Federer number 1, obviously... GOAT should be in his place, number 1 seed... and people said that nadal should be the number 1 seed...

nobama
06-16-2010, 04:42 PM
They should seed like they do the women, go by the rankings except for a specific change here or there.and who would make the decision whether a change should be made or not? Using a formula there is no bias.

star
06-16-2010, 04:50 PM
and who would make the decision whether a change should be made or not? Using a formula there is no bias.

As long as he wears a really silly outfit again. That's all that matters. :p

Sunset of Age
06-16-2010, 04:53 PM
As long as he wears a really silly outfit again. That's all that matters. :p

I'm afraid you will be disappointed this year. :spit:

MacTheKnife
06-16-2010, 05:09 PM
Federer is the #1 seed at Wimby.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/96472164.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiUo8cyaiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:a UU