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Is Federer done? (seriously)

Fedicilous
06-13-2010, 01:57 PM
It's not a mug thread.
Look at Federer's movement, he runs like a grandfather. Every faster ball makes him play moonball and defensively.
Hewitt was returning quite aggressively and won tons of points on Fed's first serve.
Timing is getting worse and worse.
And no bullshit like slams are important, because the same thing happened in RG.

Roger just can't play better, he is 29 years old, and it's time to realize that he will never be back.
Australian Open 2010 was his last big tournament, where he played some good strokes with excellent movement.

A_Skywalker
06-13-2010, 02:00 PM
So in Australian open he was young enough to thrash Murray, but now after 6 months he is not?
Noone wins all the time, accept it and stop starting unserious threads.

TennisAddicted
06-13-2010, 02:03 PM
Yap! He's D-O-N-E!

Luinir
06-13-2010, 02:03 PM
Simply. He isn't working.

HarryMan
06-13-2010, 02:03 PM
Federer is not done, you can't reach a final when you are done. His domination days are over and that for glory hunters might indicate a need to move to a different player so for them, and only them, Federer is surely done.

andy neyer
06-13-2010, 02:04 PM
Federer is slower but he's still capable of competing and winning at the highest level. What bothers me however is that he chokes and loses his focus time and time again. The guy is incredibly talented but he's got the mental fortitude of a five year old.

Orka_n
06-13-2010, 02:07 PM
We already have a (failed) thread for this.

MrChopin
06-13-2010, 02:08 PM
He sits around on his couch all day eating cheetos and watching replies of 2004 USO F, 2006 TMC SF, and 2007 AO SF. No time for practice, just more glory. Hopefully he loses to Boggo r1 at Wimbledon, maybe that will shake him from his mummified state of arrogance. Mirka and Mary Jo Fernandez probably take care of the kids and run all the errands too.

Riffrizzle
06-13-2010, 02:09 PM
Federer is not done, you can't reach a final when you are done. His domination days are over and that for glory hunters might indicate a need to move to a different player so for them, and only them, Federer is surely done.

Sensible post.

Clydey
06-13-2010, 02:09 PM
Give me a fucking break. Another one of these threads?

Orka_n
06-13-2010, 02:10 PM
He sits around on his couch all day eating cheetos and watching replies of 2004 USO F, 2006 TMC SF, and 2007 AO SF. No time for practice, just more glory. Hopefully he loses to Boggo r1 at Wimbledon, maybe that will shake him from his mummified state of arrogance. Mirka and Mary Jo Fernandez probably take care of the kids and run all the errands too.Says the dude who was his fan an hour ago :haha:

Filo V.
06-13-2010, 02:11 PM
No, he isn't done being a top player. He's still #2 in the world, he still makes it deep in most events he plays, he still is right there in the slams. But he has been done for a while as far as being a dominant player. He will no longer dominate the rest of the tour. That is as much everyone else as it is him.

Fedicilous
06-13-2010, 02:11 PM
Federer is not done, you can't reach a final when you are done. His domination days are over and that for glory hunters might indicate a need to move to a different player so for them, and only them, Federer is surely done.

He made final in Halle because of playing mugs on his road.
Of course, he can win something If he plays a event like Delray Beach, but I doubt he will win anything If he is forced to meet someone who is not his servant.

Since Wimbledon 2009, Davydenko, Soderling, Berdych , Hewitt oraz even Montanes broke this awful record against Federer, it's not a coincidence.
Ferrer was quite close in Madrid.
I think more are more players will break their h2h series against Roger in future.

He can win a fluke title, but I can't see Roger winning anything defeating some good players.

coonster14
06-13-2010, 02:11 PM
no, IMHO he is not done.

he has lost recently to players that he completely dominated (davydenko, soderling, hewitt, baghdatis), but i mean one day they all had to get that 1st win, in hewitts case, that 8th win after losing 15 straight matches.

age has caught up with federer, he is a step slower than he used to be, and since federer's game relies so much on timing and precision, it really affects his whole game whenever he gets engaged in baseline rallies, today against hewitt, his forehand went completely AWOL in the 3rd set, lost track of how UE he made with that one shot alone.

just seems to lose concentration a bit too easily.

not a fan of the guy, but definitely not counting him out for wimbledon, he is still the favourite.

Riffrizzle
06-13-2010, 02:11 PM
Federer is slower but he's still capable of competing and winning at the highest level. What bothers me however is that he chokes and loses his focus time and time again. The guy is incredibly talented but he's got the mental fortitude of a five year old.

Federer has no mental fortitude at all. He has never come through in a tight match. Always loses.

Sophocles
06-13-2010, 02:16 PM
Pete Sampras, 2000:

Australian Open (H) - SF, lost to Agassi.
Scotsdale (H) - R2, lost to Corretja.
Indian Wells (H) - QF, lost to Enqvist.
Miami (H) - W, beat Kuerten.
Davis Cup (I, H) - lost to Novak, beat Dosedel.
Hamburg (C) - R2, lost to Di Pasquale.
Dusseldorf (C) - RR, lost to Hrbaty & Haas, beat Norman.
Roland Garros (C) - R1, lost to Philippoussis.
Queen's (G) - F, lost to Hewitt.
Wimbledon (G) - W, beat Rafter.

star
06-13-2010, 02:18 PM
Federer has no mental fortitude at all. He has never come through in a tight match. Always loses.

Seriously, you guys. You know this is wrong. Federer has courage. I don't even like the guy, but at least I can acknowledge that.

Gladiator
06-13-2010, 02:18 PM
Do u think Federer is going to play the same in Wimbledon final?, NO

Roamed
06-13-2010, 02:19 PM
If he plays past 2012, there is no way there won't be some tournament where he'll manage to find his form and dig himself out of this slump. It could be at Wimbledon, it could be after that. What is silly in my opinion is to declare a player done just because they've had another bad loss. Sure he's old but like I just said he's not on the verge of retirement. We should just lower our expectations, especially about his chances to come through tight matches, and be pleased with everything he's already achieved. He's #2 in the race even now! Doing a whole lot better than the #3 and #4 in the world who are currently 7th and 10th or something like that.

Persimmon
06-13-2010, 02:19 PM
I expect Federer to win Wimbledon.:wavey:

Bargearse
06-13-2010, 02:20 PM
Federer used to be such a great front runner. If he won the first set, it was over. The last 3 meetings against Hewitt he won in straight sets - totally dominant. But this match tonight is really indicative of the lack of passion Federer has been playing with since the Aus Open. To say he's done is probably a bit premature - I think he can do a Sampras and win another, but he's going to have to get off his ass & work a bit harder. Maybe now's the time to get himself a coach. :shrug:

andy neyer
06-13-2010, 02:21 PM
Pete Sampras, 2000:

Australian Open (H) - SF, lost to Agassi.
Scotsdale (H) - R2, lost to Corretja.
Indian Wells (H) - QF, lost to Enqvist.
Miami (H) - W, beat Kuerten.
Davis Cup (I, H) - lost to Novak, beat Dosedel.
Hamburg (C) - R2, lost to Di Pasquale.
Dusseldorf (C) - RR, lost to Hrbaty & Haas, beat Norman.
Roland Garros (C) - R1, lost to Philippoussis.
Queen's (G) - F, lost to Hewitt.
Wimbledon (G) - W, beat Rafter.

Curiously enough, Sampras was approaching the end of his career by the year 2000. Only won 2 GS in 2000-2003 and went through big patches in 2001, 2002 and 2003.

Will Federer mirror Sampras' career at the same age?

madmax
06-13-2010, 02:22 PM
let's wait till Wimby is over to proclaim him done, shall we?

prima donna
06-13-2010, 02:23 PM
Maybe.

Persimmon
06-13-2010, 02:25 PM
Curiously enough, Sampras was approaching the end of his career by the year 2000. Only won 2 GS in 2000-2003 and went through big patches in 2001, 2002 and 2003.

Will Federer mirror Sampras' career at the same age?

If it does then Fed has one more slam win in him.

Sampras won 2 slams from 2000-2003

Fed wins 2 slams(already won AO this year) from 2010-2013?

So that one slam left for Fed to win probably will be Wimbledon.

USO was Pete's first and last slam to win.

Wimbledon to be Fed's first and last slam to win?

star
06-13-2010, 02:26 PM
let's wait till Wimby is over to proclaim him done, shall we?

And even well after that. Ok?

Fed is nearly 29 years old. One can't expect the same level as when he was 25. Decline is inevitable in sport. But, I think Federer, if he wants to slog it out, still has some good wins in him and as I've said about 100 times, the slam format is kinder to the aging champion.

MrChopin
06-13-2010, 02:26 PM
Federer used to be such a great front runner. If he won the first set, it was over. The last 3 meetings against Hewitt he won in straight sets - totally dominant. But this match tonight is really indicative of the lack of passion Federer has been playing with since the Aus Open. To say he's done is probably a bit premature - I think he can do a Sampras and win another, but he's going to have to get off his ass & work a bit harder. Maybe now's the time to get himself a coach. :shrug:

Prepare for MacEnroe the blind at Wimbledon to talk about "Don't want to give Fed a lead. One of the greatest frontrunners in the game..."

Oh, sorry. I got distracted by the bs and forgot to say

CONGRATULATIONS LLEYTON!

...

Wrong thread. Here we talk about only how Fed is a transitional champ.

star
06-13-2010, 02:28 PM
Wrong thread. Here we talk about only how Fed is a transitional champ.

I realized that and deleted before I even read you kindly meant post. ;)

FedFan
06-13-2010, 02:31 PM
It is to his disadvantage now, that he has won so many matches with ease.

He has never learnt to really fight for a win.

When has he won a tight match these last weeks or months?

NADALbULLS
06-13-2010, 02:31 PM
A lot of players get very nervous when they have Federer on the ropes. If Hewitt didn't have all the experience he has then we would have seen him lose serve at the end like 99% of the tour. Still a very good chance Federer makes the Wimbledon Final regardless of how he plays. If someone steps up when he's on the ropes then Federer could easily lose, but usually the opponent chokes (in slams especially).

Jills
06-13-2010, 02:39 PM
Can't wait to see who he will lose to at Wimbledon! :yeah:

River
06-13-2010, 02:40 PM
We could have just bumped the last thread but oh well lol

His /era/ is done. Federer can go deep but I no longer think he'll win Grand Slams like he used to, if not any.

mark73
06-13-2010, 02:42 PM
He made final in Halle because of playing mugs on his road.
Of course, he can win something If he plays a event like Delray Beach, but I doubt he will win anything If he is forced to meet someone who is not his servant.

Since Wimbledon 2009, Davydenko, Soderling, Berdych , Hewitt oraz even Montanes broke this awful record against Federer, it's not a coincidence.
Ferrer was quite close in Madrid.
I think more are more players will break their h2h series against Roger in future.

He can win a fluke title, but I can't see Roger winning anything defeating some good players.

No that would be impossible seeing that it was a looooooooooooong time ok that he easily won the australian open. :rolleyes:

ApproachShot
06-13-2010, 02:44 PM
He sits around on his couch all day eating cheetos and watching replies of 2004 USO F, 2006 TMC SF, and 2007 AO SF. No time for practice, just more glory. Hopefully he loses to Boggo r1 at Wimbledon, maybe that will shake him from his mummified state of arrogance. Mirka and Mary Jo Fernandez probably take care of the kids and run all the errands too.

Apart from the fact that the LTA haven't given Boggo a wildcard this year, I would still give Federer a better chance of Winning Wimbledon than any other player in the field.

This topic has been addressed many times. Of course he is far from his best - in fact AO was the only dominating performance he put in post USO '09 but he's currently the second best player in the planet and is far from done.

neme6
06-13-2010, 02:44 PM
he's nt physically done for sure, but he doesn't have the same will to win as he used to have a few years ago, I wouldn't be surprised if he announces his retirement at the end of the year, or next year, I know he said we wanted to play the olympics in 2012, butit really seems like he doesn't care anymore!

Roamed
06-13-2010, 02:44 PM
It is to his disadvantage now, that he has won so many matches with ease.

He has never learnt to really fight for a win.

When has he won a tight match these last weeks or months?

Against Gulbis and Ferrer in Madrid, three-setters. The Gulbis one was most impressive because he came back from a set down IIRC. In the Ferrer one he had a ~moment~ like today in the second set but managed to recover from it. So he can still do it, just only about once every four or five times.

River
06-13-2010, 02:45 PM
No that would be impossible seeing that it was a looooooooooooong time ok that he easily won the australian open. :rolleyes:

And look how easily he's gone downhill. What now, Mono Part II? :rolleyes:

star
06-13-2010, 02:46 PM
he's nt physically done for sure, but he doesn't have the same will to win as he used to have a few years ago, I wouldn't be surprised if he announces his retirement at the end of the year, or next year, I know he said we wanted to play the olympics in 2012, butit really seems like he doesn't care anymore!

He is not going to announce his retirement at the end of the year. He wants to play in the 2012 Olympics. He'll be on the tour as least until then.

barring injury, of course. That's always a present danger for players.

born_on_clay
06-13-2010, 02:46 PM
expected thread after no.2 in the world loses a match :haha:

Bargearse
06-13-2010, 02:46 PM
Prepare for MacEnroe the blind at Wimbledon to talk about "Don't want to give Fed a lead. One of the greatest frontrunners in the game..."


I'll hear it from the Aussie commentators as well. Blah, blah, blah gotta try and stay with Federer the great front runner. That ship has sailed and the word is out. Guys like Berdshit & Co should really step up and grab Wimbledon by the balls. I wonder what Federer will wear at Wimbledon?:scratch:

andy neyer
06-13-2010, 02:46 PM
Against Gulbis and Ferrer in Madrid, three-setters. The Gulbis one was most impressive because he came back from a set down IIRC. So he can still do it, just only about once every four or five times.

Well said.

JolánGagó
06-13-2010, 02:47 PM
Yes.

Jaz
06-13-2010, 02:51 PM
He's slow, that's concerning, so is the returning, I still think he will do well at wimbly tho

andy neyer
06-13-2010, 02:52 PM
Federer has lost 4 of his last 5 finals. 3 of them in deciding sets while the won he won was in straight sets.

Commander Data
06-13-2010, 02:52 PM
It's not a mug thread.
Look at Federer's movement, he runs like a grandfather. Every faster ball makes him play moonball and defensively.
Hewitt was returning quite aggressively and won tons of points on Fed's first serve.
Timing is getting worse and worse.
And no bullshit like slams are important, because the same thing happened in RG.

Roger just can't play better, he is 29 years old, and it's time to realize that he will never be back.
Australian Open 2010 was his last big tournament, where he played some good strokes with excellent movement.

Kinda. I think Federer is on a steady decline since early 2008. I think this will continue. He will still win 1-2 Slams but lose more and more frequently.
So, he is not per se done but Peak Fed is gone :sad:

MrChopin
06-13-2010, 02:54 PM
I'll hear it from the Aussie commentators as well. Blah, blah, blah gotta try and stay with Federer the great front runner. That ship has sailed and the word is out. Guys like Berdshit & Co should really step up and grab Wimbledon by the balls. I wonder what Federer will wear at Wimbledon?:scratch:

Yep, but people are surprised guys like Andreev push him around in R1? I was thinking about his outfit yesterday, having to go through that mess again. It will be even more empty and pompous considering where his game currently is. Probably will play in a cape with a Nike sabre at his hip.

Sophocles
06-13-2010, 02:56 PM
This is a crisis I knew had to come,
Destroying the balance I'd kept.
Doubting, unsettling and turning around,
Wondering what will come next.
Is this the role that you wanted to live?
I was foolish to ask for so much.
Without the protection and infancy's guard,
It all falls apart at first touch.
Watching the reel as it comes to a close,
Brutally taking it's time,
People who change for no reason at all,
It's happening all of the time.
Can I go on with this train of events?
Disturbing and purging my mind,
Back out of my duties, when all's said and done,
I know that I'll lose every time.

LOL at the doom-mongering.

Commander Data
06-13-2010, 02:57 PM
Seriously, you guys. You know this is wrong. Federer has courage. .

But it is also true that he hardly ever turns a match around. I'm not convinced with his fighting ability anymore. Who is to blame him? He is praised the goat by experts since years and has won everything. Just not willing to really dig deep if you ask me.

Arkulari
06-13-2010, 02:58 PM
fans and haters alike seem to think that the guy can win like he did at his peak :lol:

newsflash: people get older, slower, lose the fire of their younger years

To me he's still the main favourite at Wimbledon, he cannot win everything, specially now that he's past his prime but the bo5 format suits him better

99% of the tour would kill to get 10% of what he's accomplished, so I really don't mind, things change, eras end and time forgives no one, no matters what happens from now on, nothing can erase what he's done

so haters: enjoy this, you will miss Roger when everything is said and done ;)

zeluvaa
06-13-2010, 03:00 PM
No, simply no.

This is not the Federer of 05/06/07 period, he is 29 and getting old. Yes he is on a downwards slump and definitely not playing as well as he was during his dominance era. But you cannot expect him to go on winning every match he plays.

If winning AO and making it to QF at RG and finals at Halle means that he is over, then what do you think of Murray, Nole, etc who have been having a far worse season than Federer. Are their career over too??

Jills
06-13-2010, 03:00 PM
I think it probably wasn't a good idea for Fed to hype this Olympics 2012 ambition. If he stays healthy he can definitely stay near the top of the game until then, but putting this focus on one tournament when he hasn't done that well in singles there seems like it will be a letdown.

I mean, can he really win there? I don't like the guy, but I wouldn't want him to burn out in an early round there. Would be pretty sad.

andy neyer
06-13-2010, 03:02 PM
fans and haters alike seem to think that the guy can win like he did at his peak :lol:

newsflash: people get older, slower, lose the fire of their younger years

It's not that. I am -and to be fair many people here are- well aware that Federer is slower and is certainly past his prime. However, he's still good enough to beat most of the people in the circuit (on grass especially) and that includes Hewitt. Thus, the question arises: why did he lose today? And the answer lies in the thesis that most of the times he can't stay concentrated long enough and he can't fight when it counts the most. Hewitt seemed today like a man who wanted something whereas Federer looked utterly helpless. He couldn't break in the second set and lost it completely afterwards.

This isn't something unique. It has happened before to Federer many times.

Noleta
06-13-2010, 03:03 PM
Uuuh...Nah:scratch:How is having a slump,means you're done?Is Murray/Djokovic also done?

FedererBulgaria
06-13-2010, 03:04 PM
NO!He reached the final,Nadal DIDNT!So is Nadal done :D:D:D

MrChopin
06-13-2010, 03:05 PM
99% of the tour would kill to get 10% of what he's accomplished, so I really don't mind, things change, eras end and time forgives no one, no matters what happens from now on, nothing can erase what he's done

so haters: enjoy this, you will miss Roger when everything is said and done ;)

Tired of seeing this argument as well. Yes, Ivo Minar and the like all wish they were Roger Federer. Is that some kind of solace for playing like trash compared to 04-06?

Sillyrabbit
06-13-2010, 03:05 PM
Yeah he might as well throw it the racquet now because mtf thinks he's done.

mark73
06-13-2010, 03:06 PM
And look how easily he's gone downhill. What now, Mono Part II? :rolleyes:

And since mono what has he won? Whats your point? :lol:
Oh and by theway 6 months is not a long time for winning your last grand slam.

star
06-13-2010, 03:06 PM
fans and haters alike seem to think that the guy can win like he did at his peak :lol:

newsflash: people get older, slower, lose the fire of their younger years

To me he's still the main favourite at Wimbledon, he cannot win everything, specially now that he's past his prime but the bo5 format suits him better

99% of the tour would kill to get 10% of what he's accomplished, so I really don't mind, things change, eras end and time forgives no one, no matters what happens from now on, nothing can erase what he's done

so haters: enjoy this, you will miss Roger when everything is said and done ;)

Very few think he can win as he did when he was younger. The question is: How much does he have left.

And you know, Sampras fans used to say that everyone who didn't like Sampras would miss him when he was gone, but I never ever even once did. So, I'm sure I won't miss Federer either. I just want a chance to miss him, ok? :lol: :lol:

But, if he's going to stay around playing like this, I'm all for it. :yeah:

Jaz
06-13-2010, 03:07 PM
Federer's game is in decline:

- Serve: Losing pace in slow conditions. Inconsistent 1st Serve. 2nd serve is eaten alive by the top 10.
- Returning: Horrid returning on both 1st and 2nd serves. Seriously, he is quite a poor returner these days.
- Forehand: occasionally leaks errors. Running Forehand is gone. Losing pace. Less flattening out.
- Backhand: Slice is actually alot more accurate and reliable, however, down the line is even more rare than it was.
- Movement: Slowing down, seems to struggle against anyone with a bit of pace. In fact French Open and Halle it was SLOW SLOW SLOW.

Arkulari
06-13-2010, 03:07 PM
Roger can dig deep and find his game when he wants: Gulbis in Madrid, Davydenko in AO 10, Haas/Del Potro in FO 09, Roddick in Wimbledon 09...

but I think it mainly depends on his motivation, he doesn't have the same fire he used to have, no breaking rackets, no swearing when losing

right now in a bo3 format if someone pushes him to three, the guy usually lets go, like disconnects from the match and doesn't care as much as he could about it, I would still give him the edge in a bo5 format over most people on tour

MrChopin: people should play perfectly during their whole career? I know Roger is not at his best right now but how much more can we ask from the guy I wonder

I agree with Jaz in that his game is declining (and will think so even if he wins Wimbledon) but that doesn't mean that the guy is completely done

careergrandslam
06-13-2010, 03:07 PM
why didnt anyone make this kind of thread when rafa lost to that joke lopez?

Jills
06-13-2010, 03:08 PM
Uuuh...Nah:scratch:How is having a slump,means you're done?Is Murray/Djokovic also done?

Murray and Djokovic were never anywhere near as dominant as Fed, and Fed has been consistently losing to players that are not very good or that he used to own.

I don't think you can compare Fed to others. He's in his own category. I don't think Fed is done, but he's definitely on a downward trajectory at the moment. It'll be hard to be so dominant again.

Certinfy
06-13-2010, 03:09 PM
Only if Davydenko didn't fuck up in Melbourne :sad:

Jills
06-13-2010, 03:10 PM
why didnt anyone make this kind of thread when rafa lost to that joke lopez?

Probably because Rafa had just won 4 tournaments in a row, and grass isn't his best surface, whereas Fed has been ultra-dominant on grass for the last several years.

Just a theory.

Nolby
06-13-2010, 03:10 PM
Gee, I sure hope so! :p It would be great for the game. :lol:

Great week for "Fedal" too! Thanks Lopez and Hewitt! ;) Querrey vs. Fish for Queens... What happened to the years when it was usually Nole vs. Rafa?

On the other hand, one could ask right now if Murray, Roddick and Nole are done too. It has been a horrible stretch of play for all of them. I don't think Lopez, Hewitt, Fish and Querrey are the leading contenders for SW19 either. So this week has proven nothing other than noone has stepped up and noone looks devastating right now on Grass. I don't think Murray, Nole and Roddick are done either. They are all in a slump obviously.

I wish Del Potro was around right now. This would be the time for him to step it up.

In regards to the question in the thread, probably not. When he plays every match competitively and barely loses in the finals (he had a break point in the last set at 5-4 with Hewitt trying to serve it out), it is ridiculous to ask questions like that. He played well in Madrid and hadn't lost a set at RG going into the QFs. Maybe when he isn't in the Top 10 (currently 2nd I think) in the present year World Tour Finals points race, this question could be raised without laughter? :shrug: As it stands now, he has had the 2nd best 2010 of all the players on tour.

Henry Kaspar
06-13-2010, 03:11 PM
No. Seriously.

Arkulari
06-13-2010, 03:14 PM
Murray and Djokovic were never anywhere near as dominant as Fed, and Fed has been consistently losing to players that are not very good or that he used to own.

I don't think you can compare Fed to others. He's in his own category. I don't think Fed is done, but he's definitely on a downward trajectory at the moment. It'll be hard to be so dominant again.

Roger is a victim of his own success, he has set the bar so high that nothing but absolute brillance is enough any longer

He said it himself: he created a monster at his peak, and has been living with that since he reached double digits at GS, no one has been as dominant as Roger has been, so when he performs like many many greats do at the twilight of their careers, he's called a clown and a mug and everyone calls for his retirement

NADALbULLS
06-13-2010, 03:14 PM
why didnt anyone make this kind of thread when rafa lost to that joke lopez?

I think if Nadal did win that match he would have hurt his chances at Wimbledon. This way he was able to go back to Spain for a week. Not saying he tanked it, but it could have altered his approach to that match, maybe less determined. Nadal only made the QF of Queens in 2006 and 2007 also. I think people are making a big deal out of Federer's loss today because he always won this event before Wimbledon.

Sillyrabbit
06-13-2010, 03:15 PM
why didnt anyone make this kind of thread when rafa lost to that joke lopez?

They didn't need to, because halfway through the Nadal post match thread, ignoramuses like you already turned it into a version just as stupid as this, 26 pages long.

PS: when Federer loses before the semis in Wimbledon, then that's when maybe, just maybe this thread will have some validity and basis for discussion.

andy neyer
06-13-2010, 03:15 PM
Roger can dig deep and find his game when he wants: Gulbis in Madrid, Davydenko in AO 10, Haas/Del Potro in FO 09, Roddick in Wimbledon 09...


I wouldn't say "when he wants". The logic of that would be assuming that Federer didn't want to win today or didn't want to win in any of his recent losses which is complete bollocks. He just can't seem to do it. Maybe he's lacking motivation, maybe he's getting nervous, I dunno.

right now in a bo3 format if someone pushes him to three, the guy usually lets go, like disconnects from the match and doesn't care as much as he could about it,

happens in best of 5 as well. Del Potro in the USO final and Soderling in the RG QF.

The "he only cares for GS these days" excuse that many people use is getting old.

Corey Feldman
06-13-2010, 03:17 PM
its coming closer and closer with every month that passes

once those 6-3 6-7 4-6 losses start becoming 2-6 3-6

but its coming

Persimmon
06-13-2010, 03:18 PM
why didnt anyone make this kind of thread when rafa lost to that joke lopez?

Your siggie is wrong. It's 15 months and counting for Rafa without a title off clay.:o

Arkulari
06-13-2010, 03:19 PM
I wouldn't say "when he wants". The logic of that would be assuming that Federer didn't want to win today or didn't want to win in any of his recent losses which is complete bollocks. He just can't seem to do it. Maybe he's lacking motivation, maybe he's getting nervous, I dunno.


maybe, but if you see my post above, Roger is simply living with that pressure of having to win every single time because of his domination, people doesn't expect mediocre to normal results from him


happens in best of 5 as well. Del Potro in the USO final and Soderling in the RG QF.

The "he only cares for GS these days" excuse that many people use is getting old.

of course it can happen in bo5 as well, but it is more likely to happen at bo3, because the longer format is kinder to aging champions, not because he just cares about GS :)

andy neyer
06-13-2010, 03:20 PM
And you know, Sampras fans used to say that everyone who didn't like Sampras would miss him when he was gone, but I never ever even once did. So, I'm sure I won't miss Federer either. I just want a chance to miss him, ok? :lol: :lol:

But, if he's going to stay around playing like this, I'm all for it. :yeah:


You know, I agree with you. I never liked Sampras either and I was happy when he began to decline and I never felt sorry for him or his fans. In point of fact, I never missed him and never wanted him to come back strong, not even in his last tournament.

From that point of view, I can understand how the current haters aren't feeling sorry for the decline of Fed. I wouldn't feel sorry either if I didn't like the guy.

tyruk14
06-13-2010, 03:23 PM
Now watch him make the final of two consecutive grand slams. Typical MTF overreaction.

Noleta
06-13-2010, 03:24 PM
Gee, I sure hope so! :p It would be great for the game. :lol:

Great week for "Fedal" too! Thanks Lopez and Hewitt! ;) Querrey vs. Fish for Queens... What happened to the years when it was usually Nole vs. Rafa?

On the other hand, one could ask right now if Murray, Roddick and Nole are done too. It has been a horrible stretch of play for all of them. I don't think Lopez, Hewitt, Fish and Querrey are the leading contenders for SW19 either. So this week has proven nothing other than noone has stepped up and noone looks devastating right now on Grass. I don't think Murray, Nole and Roddick are done either. They are all in a slump obviously.

I wish Del Potro was around right now. This would be the time for him to step it up.

In regards to the question in the thread, probably not. When he plays every match competitively and barely loses in the finals (he had a break point in the last set at 5-4 with Hewitt trying to serve it out), it is ridiculous to ask questions like that. He played well in Madrid and hadn't lost a set at RG going into the QFs. Maybe when he isn't in the Top 10 (currently 2nd I think) in the present year World Tour Finals points race, this question could be raised without laughter? :shrug: As it stands now, he has had the 2nd best 2010 of all the players on tour.

:wavey:Stranger.

Edith09
06-13-2010, 03:27 PM
No, he isn´t done. Just bored with small tournaments. He is back as soon as Wimby starts.

andy neyer
06-13-2010, 03:33 PM
maybe, but if you see my post above, Roger is simply living with that pressure of having to win every single time because of his domination, people doesn't expect mediocre to normal results from him

I don't expect him to win every single tournament but I would at least expect him to win Estoril and Halle considering the opposition. Seriously, he's capable of beating guys like Montańés and Hewitt. Even today he's better than those guys so why can't he beat them? Maybe the answer lies in an apparent lack of motivation, maybe he can't stay focused... I really don't know.

That said, I do not think at all that Fed is done (he probably still has 1 or 2 more GS left in the tank) but its it's becoming more and more frustrating to watch him play nowadays when he loses matches like the one he's lost today which are becoming repetitive lately.

To finish this, I'll say something that probably you won't like much: while several fans actually care alot and even feel hurt when their fave player loses, it seems that most Fedal fans around here don't really care much. If he loses and it's unexpected it's almost a matter for laughs for them and then they go to root for the other player. I mean, one thing is to be a total nutjob fanatic (which we also have around here) and another thing is to be a lighthearted fan which is the way you and other Fedal fans seem to be.
Maybe I am wrong but it just seems that way for me after reading several of your posts.

of course it can happen in bo5 as well, but it is more likely to happen at bo3, because the longer format is kinder to aging champions, not because he just cares about GS :)

That's very true and I fully agree with you there. However, it's only natural to expect Federer to lose bo5 matches more frequently from now on.

peribsen
06-13-2010, 03:34 PM
Fed is past his peak, but far from done.

Corey Feldman
06-13-2010, 03:38 PM
best of 5 will only expose his tiring old body even more

look how fast he crumbled under Soderling's pressure

henke007
06-13-2010, 03:40 PM
When Roger goes out before 1/4 at GS events he is done not before!!

star
06-13-2010, 03:41 PM
best of 5 will only expose his tiring old body even more

look how fast he crumbled under Soderling's pressure

The day's rest between matches is an enormous help.

Söderling only beat Fed because the conditions favored him.

peribsen
06-13-2010, 03:42 PM
Fed sees all his main rivals fall relatively early in Queens and go enjoy a rest before Wimby. Only he makes it to the final and takes it to a 3rd set, and yet we accuse him of lack of motivation? Fed probably didn't go for broke in that last set, why should he take too many risks in a 250?
Can't see how this has much effect on his chances in bo5 at WB, I think they are the same as if he had won Halle. The only sure thing is he has lost the chance to cut 100 points off Rafa's lead in the rankings, but that is not a big deal.

Arkulari
06-13-2010, 03:43 PM
I don't expect him to win every single tournament but I would at least expect him to win Estoril and Halle considering the opposition. Seriously, he's capable of beating guys like Montańés and Hewitt. Even today he's better than those guys so why can't he beat them? Maybe the answer lies in an apparent lack of motivation, maybe he can't stay focused... I really don't know.

That said, I do not think at all that Fed is done (he probably still has 1 or 2 more GS left in the tank) but its it's becoming more and more frustrating to watch him play nowadays when he loses matches like the one he's lost today which are becoming repetitive lately.

To finish this, I'll say something that probably you won't like much: while several fans actually care alot and even feel hurt when their fave player loses, it seems that most Fedal fans around here don't really care much. If he loses and it's unexpected it's almost a matter for laughs for them and then they go to root for the other player. I mean, one thing is to be a total nutjob fanatic (which we also have around here) and another thing is to be a lighthearted fan which is the way you and other Fedal fans seem to be.
Maybe I am wrong but it just seems that way for me after reading several of your posts.



thing is: after last years' FO (which nearly killed me to be honest :lol: ) I though: well, the guy has accomplished pretty much everything you can ask from a tennis player, so why suffer and cry and whine about him? I enjoy his play, I like to see him around but I'm not going to complain everytime he loses now ;)

Rafa on the other hand, all that passion and drive and hunger makes me cheer for him, he has had a great career but can accomplish more with his talent, so I do feel more passionately about him as a player now



That's very true and I fully agree with you there. However, it's only natural to expect Federer to lose bo5 matches more frequently from now on.

of course, I mean the guy cannot keep winning Slams till he's 40 :lol:

Helevorn
06-13-2010, 03:44 PM
He sits around on his couch all day eating cheetos and watching replies of 2004 USO F, 2006 TMC SF, and 2007 AO SF. No time for practice, just more glory.

this, period.

Johnny Groove
06-13-2010, 03:44 PM
Federer is still the man to beat at the slams. This Wimbledon and USO will be interesting, seeing as he has 11 of his 16 slams at those two.

If he loses early in both of them, I shudder to think what a cesspit MTF would fall into.

Corey Feldman
06-13-2010, 03:45 PM
To finish this, I'll say something that probably you won't like much: while several fans actually care alot and even feel hurt when their fave player loses, it seems that most Fedal fans around here don't really care much. If he loses and it's unexpected it's almost a matter for laughs for them and then they go to root for the other player. I mean, one thing is to be a total nutjob fanatic (which we also have around here) and another thing is to be a lighthearted fan which is the way you and other Fedal fans seem to be.
Maybe I am wrong but it just seems that way for me after reading several of your posts.



.. Spanish

as long as the Spaniards win everything

Fed defeats? just keeps Nadal, the Spaniard, #1 longer

andy neyer
06-13-2010, 03:51 PM
thing is: after last years' FO (which nearly killed me to be honest :lol: ) I though: well, the guy has accomplished pretty much everything you can ask from a tennis player, so why suffer and cry and whine about him? I enjoy his play, I like to see him around but I'm not going to complain everytime he loses now ;)

Rafa on the other hand, all that passion and drive and hunger makes me cheer for him, he has had a great career but can accomplish more with his talent, so I do feel more passionately about him as a player now

Well, I am glad to read that. You like Rafa more now and can actually feel passionate about when he wins or when he losses which is great. I don't mind if someone is a fan of a player I don't like but something that always pisses me off is a lighthearted fan.

Arkulari
06-13-2010, 03:52 PM
yeah, though to be honest even if I love tennis, I'm not nearly as tardish as I am when it comes to football, you should see me screaming things at the referee when Athletic or Spain plays :lol:

I enjoy watching Roger play, but it is more in the intellectual level now, I don't really get much emotionally invested on him now, while with Rafa you can't help but get emotionally involved even if I don't enjoy the technicalities of his game as much as I do with Roger ;)

andy neyer
06-13-2010, 03:54 PM
Federer is still the man to beat at the slams. This Wimbledon and USO will be interesting, seeing as he has 11 of his 16 slams at those two.

If he loses early in both of them, I shudder to think what a cesspit MTF would fall into.

The glory hunters would leave or move on to another player. The only ones left would be real fans (because they care too much) and lighthearted fans (because they care too little).

It's going to happen sooner or later so we might as well prepare for it :lol:

andy neyer
06-13-2010, 03:55 PM
yeah, though to be honest even if I love tennis, I'm not nearly as tardish as I am when it comes to football, you should see me screaming things at the referee when Athletic or Spain plays :lol:

I see. Tennis on the other hand is absolutely my fave sport by far. It sounds crazy but I think I even care more for Federer winning a GS than for my own country winning the WC.

Well, probably no, but I think a lot more about tennis than about football, that's for sure.

Johnny Groove
06-13-2010, 03:58 PM
The glory hunters would leave or move on to another player. The only ones left would be real fans (because they care too much) and lighthearted fans (because they care too little).

It's going to happen sooner or later so we might as well prepare for it :lol:

I've come to appreciate Federer more and more since his decline from IW 2007 to present.

You don't see a 16 slam champ everyday.

I hope Roddick wins Wimbledon.

Commander Data
06-13-2010, 03:59 PM
Fed sees all his main rivals fall relatively early in Queens and go enjoy a rest before Wimby. Only he makes it to the final and takes it to a 3rd set, and yet we accuse him of lack of motivation? Fed probably didn't go for broke in that last set, why should he take too many risks in a 250?
Can't see how this has much effect on his chances in bo5 at WB, I think they are the same as if he had won Halle. The only sure thing is he has lost the chance to cut 100 points off Rafa's lead in the rankings, but that is not a big deal.

Lets not fool ourselfs. Fed has not won a title since AO. Fed loves Halle, Fed loves grass.
Fed tried to win Halle. Fed was not good enough. It is certainly wrong to say he did not care, It is more a general lack of fire that seems to be his lately.

Fed will be harder to beat in Wimbledon, yes, but this defeat has some deeper meaning. It is not far and players like Hewitt take him down also in Slams. Fed needs to find better form and give 100%. or he will not win titles anymore.

Sillyrabbit
06-13-2010, 04:00 PM
yeah, though to be honest even if I love tennis, I'm not nearly as tardish as I am when it comes to football, you should see me screaming things at the referee when Athletic or Spain plays :lol:



:lol: Same here. I love tennis, but a United loss on a weekend usually sours my entire week till the next match that's played.

peribsen
06-13-2010, 04:06 PM
I enjoy watching Roger play, but it is more in the intellectual level now, I don't really get much emotionally invested on him now, while with Rafa you can't help but get emotionally involved even if I don't enjoy the technicalities of his game as much as I do with Roger ;)

I feel just the same. For me, it's like if watching Fed play was only tennis, while watching Rafa was some sort of 'happening': the tennis is also there, but what grabs me is the intensity of the struggle. The fact that he is my countryman certainly helps, but in fact I feel very differently about other Spanish players. They just 'play' tennis, while Rafa 'fights' it.

l_mac
06-13-2010, 04:21 PM
He sits around on his couch all day eating cheetos and watching replies of 2004 USO F, 2006 TMC SF, and 2007 AO SF. No time for practice, just more glory. Hopefully he loses to Boggo r1 at Wimbledon, maybe that will shake him from his mummified state of arrogance. Mirka and Mary Jo Fernandez probably take care of the kids and run all the errands too.

Says the dude who was his fan an hour ago :haha:
:haha:

MrChopin :worship:
so haters: enjoy this, you will miss Roger when everything is said and done ;)
No-one could accuse me of being a Fed fan (except lunatic Rafatards) but I will miss him when he is gone, especially as it looks like he is being replaced by robo-players like Nole/DelPo/Cilic.
Great week for "Fedal" too! Thanks Lopez and Hewitt! ;) Querrey vs. Fish for Queens... What happened to the years when it was usually Nole vs. Rafa?

Usually? Rafa has only made it past the QF of Queens once, and same for Nole :confused:

I wish Del Potro was around right now. This would be the time for him to step it up.


On grass? I doubt it.

Commander Data
06-13-2010, 04:24 PM
So what is your opinion I_mac? You think Federer is pretty much done or you think he will be back at his best in Wimbledon and US Open?

Jills
06-13-2010, 04:26 PM
No, he isn´t done. Just bored with small tournaments. He is back as soon as Wimby starts.

Was he bored with Roland Garros?

@Sweet Cleopatra
06-13-2010, 04:28 PM
No, he is not done, don't say that, he will come strong at Wim.

raahaat7
06-13-2010, 04:34 PM
A big no. He has at least 2 more G.S titles written against his name. Keep watching.

Topspin Forehand
06-13-2010, 04:35 PM
Fed is done. Book it.

l_mac
06-13-2010, 04:37 PM
So what is your opinion I_mac? You think Federer is pretty much done or you think he will be back at his best in Wimbledon and US Open?

I think we've seen Federer's best, tbh.

Actually, I will clarify, the days when he can be consistently excellent are long gone. However, as the Australian Open showed, he is still capable of putting together a couple of brilliant matches. I think he has an excellent chance of winning Wimbledon. Probably this is my fangirl bias, but imo only Rafa has a better than 20% chance of beating Federer over 5 sets on grass. I'm not saying noone else has a chance, but it would have to be a performance of a lifetime plus a bad serving day from Federer. I thought he played poorly at Wimbledon last year, especially in the final, but he still got there.

The USO Open is the surface most likely to reward the HIT IT HARDER brigade, so while I still think he's a favourite it's easier to imagine another player winning. I'd rather see Fed win it than any of the other top 20 players (outside of Rafa and Murray)

allpro
06-13-2010, 04:40 PM
the federer faithful turning on their demigod like frenzied sharks in chum-filled waters .........

He sits around on his couch all day eating cheetos and watching replies of 2004 USO F, 2006 TMC SF, and 2007 AO SF. No time for practice, just more glory. Hopefully he loses to Boggo r1 at Wimbledon, maybe that will shake him from his mummified state of arrogance.Mirka and Mary Jo Fernandez probably take care of the kids and run all the errands too.

EPIC :worship:

best of 5 will only expose his tiring old body even more

look how fast he crumbled under Soderling's pressure

What bothers me however is that he chokes and loses his focus time and time again. The guy is incredibly talented but he's got the mental fortitude of a five year old.

:haha:

Look at Federer's movement, he runs like a grandfather. Every faster ball makes him play moonball and defensively.
Roger just can't play better, he is 29 years old, and it's time to realize that he will never be back.

Federer has no mental fortitude at all. ....Always loses.

And look how easily he's gone downhill. What now, Mono Part II? :rolleyes:

http://www.uzoj.com/emoticons-smilies/3d%20animated%20and%20big%20emoticons%20and%20smil ies/Large%20JvP%20pack/emot19.gif

JeffCandoi
06-13-2010, 04:42 PM
RIP Federer :sad:

Commander Data
06-13-2010, 04:51 PM
Probably this is my fangirl bias, but imo only Rafa has a better than 20% chance of beating Federer over 5 sets on grass. I'm not saying noone else has a chance, but it would have to be a performance of a lifetime plus a bad serving day from Federer. I thought he played poorly at Wimbledon last year, especially in the final, but he still got there.


Thanks. Certainly a valid approach to look who can actually beat him and go from there. Murray Nole in weak form, no, hewitt, Söderling and the like? Fed should still be abale to control them in best of five. Roddick, form seems not good enough.

So yeah, I agree, if Fed keeps his cool only Rafa has a good chance to beat him.

Nadal has IMO at least a 50 % chance to beat Federer if they meet tough. Federer has only surprised me once with his performance lately and that was against Murray in AO, he will need to surprise me again to beat Nadal in best of five. I think Nadal is more vulnerable to other players on grass then Federer. So the stars could aligne again for Fed like last year. If that happens Fed will win even in medicore form. But of course it is much more fun if he plays well and wins.

Tonkie13
06-13-2010, 04:57 PM
RF is not done, he will win 2 more GS's for sure, but his dominating play has gone, that's what's gone, Roger is still there ready for WIMBY!

propi
06-13-2010, 04:59 PM
It's time for the pic again...
http://theupwardspiral.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/i-want-to-believe.jpg

Heck, I'm far from a Rogie fan, but the guy lost to former Wimby champion Hewitt (no shame on that) in a tie match he could have easily won in two sets. I strongly doubt this could happen if they were playing in London.
Roger will always be the huge favourite for the title until the day he retires.

Sapeod
06-13-2010, 05:02 PM
the federer faithful turning on their demigod like frenzied sharks in chum-filled waters .........



EPIC :worship:





:haha:







http://www.uzoj.com/emoticons-smilies/3d%20animated%20and%20big%20emoticons%20and%20smil ies/Large%20JvP%20pack/emot19.gif
They are right. He is really slumping, his days are ending.

BigJohn
06-13-2010, 05:05 PM
This reminds me of the "I created a monster" quote from a few years back. He lost in a final to Hewitt on grass, and Hewitt can play on grass. It's not as if he had lost in the first round to Paolo Lorenzi at the USO.

Of course he still has some slams to win. I'd be surprised if he did not regain the #1 spot for a while. Federer will be a factor until the day he retires.

andy neyer
06-13-2010, 05:07 PM
I don't think he'll be no 1 again but I do think he will 2 more GS or so.

allpro
06-13-2010, 05:09 PM
All of them are Judases.

i prefer to think of them as realists ;)

ShotmaKer
06-13-2010, 05:09 PM
Fed is done. Book it.

wish harder, Everko-wannabe !

habibko
06-13-2010, 05:35 PM
a few months ago...

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prima donna
06-13-2010, 05:39 PM
Nadal has roughly a 60% chance of beating Roger should they meet in the final of Wimbledon.

BlueSwan
06-13-2010, 05:44 PM
Federer has no mental fortitude at all. He has never come through in a tight match. Always loses.
Wimbledon final 2009?

SheepleBuster
06-13-2010, 05:46 PM
Who cares. It's time for a new blood. Even George Bush's reign didn't last forever.

rafa_maniac
06-13-2010, 06:02 PM
:haha:

Nice to see all the top players are getting their equal share of doomsday prophecies this week.

Mechlan
06-13-2010, 06:14 PM
He's not done, but losses like this are all part of the natural decline. It's been happening for two years, how long does it take people to figure out that Federer is still capable of playing great, he just can't do it as consistently day in and day out anymore?

HKz
06-13-2010, 06:14 PM
Look, you expect way too much out of him. He isn't God, and he has certainly passed his peak like most any other athlete does. And obviously passing your peak would mean you aren't playing at the top of your game for long periods of times. Plus, this is tennis, a sport where you win or lose by yourself. If you play bad one day, you screw up the rest of the tournament. This isn't football or basketball where if you play like shit, you can be swapped out temporarily and your team can still end up winning. Tennis is arguably the most difficult sport to dominate, so by seeing Roger dominate it so convincingly for a few years, you expect him to be like that forever.

Regardless, he peaks for the slams now anyways. Losses outside really don't mean too much it seems since 2007.

Commander Data
06-13-2010, 06:14 PM
Nadal has roughly a 60% chance of beating Roger should they meet in the final of Wimbledon.

:haha:

nice calculation. can you give me the exact value. maybe 60.2315% ??

careergrandslam
06-13-2010, 06:25 PM
federer, nadal, djokovic and murray are all done.

tomic, dimitrov and mina will dominate.

as long as someone denies a british guy a grand slam title, i will be very happy.
as long as federer beats murray at slams, im happy.

vamos!

DualMedia
06-13-2010, 06:27 PM
federer, nadal, djokovic and murray are all done.

tomic, dimitrov and mina will dominate.

as long as someone denies a british guy a grand slam title, i will be very happy.
as long as federer beats murray at slams, im happy.

vamos!


I hate it when people say their career is over when the get defeated by another player of a lower ranking.

Dimitrov, I'm sorry, but he hasnt show anybody he is GOAT.

justsumma
06-13-2010, 06:28 PM
Gloryhunters are done with Fed.

Certinfy
06-13-2010, 06:29 PM
Dimitrov, I'm sorry, but he hasnt show anybody he is GOAT.
No one said he'll be the GOAT, but we've clearly seen that he can be the future of tennis and perhaps dominate with a few other players.

Jaz
06-13-2010, 06:50 PM
I think that Federer is on a downward slope now, lets hope he gets a softish landing and can still consistently be a danger to the younger crew in most events. His days of dominance are well a truely behind him. But still, if he can get anywhere near is AO10 form back, he should be okay.

fnuf7
06-13-2010, 07:21 PM
I don't care if he is on his downward slope of his career (which to be honest I've been thinking he was on for a while now) I'll support him til the day he retires & even then I'll support him in whatever he does then too. Yes maybe/hopefully I'll find other tennis players that I'll want to support for when Roger isn't playing but Roger is my fave no matter what his actual results are.

I think some people want him to just out right quit now whilst he's still at the top so to speak so they don't see him go down the rankings, lose to random people, only win the odd title etc. I say if he wants to play on, I'll support him, don't care if he's #1 & winning slams everytime again or ranked like in the 50s or something & barely making 2nd weeks of slams or only winning odd matches/lower titles now & then. So long as he himself is happy with whatever is going on with his tennis career then I'll be supporting him & wishing him well even if he isn't dominating/winning everything. It's the natural progression of a career, you can't win everything all the time or always be ranked #1 til the day you retire unless you cut your career short & stop before you start the natural decline. I'll enjoy Roger whilst he's still playing no matter what he's actually doing.

l_mac
06-13-2010, 07:31 PM
No one said he'll be the GOAT, but we've clearly seen that he can be the future of tennis and perhaps dominate with a few other players.

I'm absolutely certain that we have not "clearly" seen any such thing.

Certinfy
06-13-2010, 07:33 PM
I'm absolutely certain that we have not "clearly" seen any such thing.Fair enough. We've seen enough of him to assume he could be the future. :shrug:

Federerhingis
06-13-2010, 07:51 PM
They didn't need to, because halfway through the Nadal post match thread, ignoramuses like you already turned it into a version just as stupid as this, 26 pages long.

PS: when Federer loses before the semis in Wimbledon, then that's when maybe, just maybe this thread will have some validity and basis for discussion.

If Federer's 2008 year was no indication that his dominant years were over then many have missed the point and are a bit too late on this news. His decline has been ongoing since 2008, in fact since late mid 2007. Is this loss surprising? yes, shocking? maybe a tad bit given their recent head to head but I agree when Roger fails to reach the quarters at Wimby or the US Open then I would tell myself, maybe now he's done for good.

MIMIC
06-13-2010, 07:57 PM
People who are "done" don't win slams. If Fed fails to win a slam next year, consider making this thread again.

dabeast
06-13-2010, 07:59 PM
I don't care if he is on his downward slope of his career (which to be honest I've been thinking he was on for a while now) I'll support him til the day he retires & even then I'll support him in whatever he does then too. Yes maybe/hopefully I'll find other tennis players that I'll want to support for when Roger isn't playing but Roger is my fave no matter what his actual results are.

I think some people want him to just out right quit now whilst he's still at the top so to speak so they don't see him go down the rankings, lose to random people, only win the odd title etc. I say if he wants to play on, I'll support him, don't care if he's #1 & winning slams everytime again or ranked like in the 50s or something & barely making 2nd weeks of slams or only winning odd matches/lower titles now & then. So long as he himself is happy with whatever is going on with his tennis career then I'll be supporting him & wishing him well even if he isn't dominating/winning everything. It's the natural progression of a career, you can't win everything all the time or always be ranked #1 til the day you retire unless you cut your career short & stop before you start the natural decline. I'll enjoy Roger whilst he's still playing no matter what he's actually doing.

you're a true Fed fan, and I agree, Roger will always be my #1 :)

Nole fan
06-13-2010, 08:05 PM
A lot of players get very nervous when they have Federer on the ropes. If Hewitt didn't have all the experience he has then we would have seen him lose serve at the end like 99% of the tour. Still a very good chance Federer makes the Wimbledon Final regardless of how he plays. If someone steps up when he's on the ropes then Federer could easily lose, but usually the opponent chokes (in slams especially).

Ok I don't want to stir any negative discussion here, but I wonder if Roger hadn't been such an imposing presence for most opponents these last two years, meaning that because they had Federer in front they almost lost before hitting the court (call it choking or whatever), do you actually think Federer would have achieved so much? I can recall several performances where the opponent had the match under his way and choked it at the end just because it was Federer who was on the other side. A name and legacy like his can do that to a younger player. Maybe now that the players no longer see Federer as unbeatable, they play with more confidence against him and maybe that's the reason Roger starts losing to so many lower-ranked players. :shrug:
Anyway, I don't think for one moment that Roger is done. Remember last year when everyone thought the same and then he went onto win the French Open, Wimbledon and AO. I think he still has the chance to win a couple of slams.

Pirata.
06-13-2010, 08:06 PM
I don't care if he is on his downward slope of his career (which to be honest I've been thinking he was on for a while now) I'll support him til the day he retires & even then I'll support him in whatever he does then too. Yes maybe/hopefully I'll find other tennis players that I'll want to support for when Roger isn't playing but Roger is my fave no matter what his actual results are.

I think some people want him to just out right quit now whilst he's still at the top so to speak so they don't see him go down the rankings, lose to random people, only win the odd title etc. I say if he wants to play on, I'll support him, don't care if he's #1 & winning slams everytime again or ranked like in the 50s or something & barely making 2nd weeks of slams or only winning odd matches/lower titles now & then. So long as he himself is happy with whatever is going on with his tennis career then I'll be supporting him & wishing him well even if he isn't dominating/winning everything. It's the natural progression of a career, you can't win everything all the time or always be ranked #1 til the day you retire unless you cut your career short & stop before you start the natural decline. I'll enjoy Roger whilst he's still playing no matter what he's actually doing.

Agreed 100% and I could not have put it better myself, bravo :)

NADALbULLS
06-13-2010, 11:30 PM
Ok I don't want to stir any negative discussion here, but I wonder if Roger hadn't been such an imposing presence for most opponents these last two years, meaning that because they had Federer in front they almost lost before hitting the court (call it choking or whatever), do you actually think Federer would have achieved so much? I can recall several performances where the opponent had the match under his way and choked it at the end just because it was Federer who was on the other side. A name and legacy like his can do that to a younger player. Maybe now that the players no longer see Federer as unbeatable, they play with more confidence against him and maybe that's the reason Roger starts losing to so many lower-ranked players. :shrug:
Anyway, I don't think for one moment that Roger is done. Remember last year when everyone thought the same and then he went onto win the French Open, Wimbledon and AO. I think he still has the chance to win a couple of slams.

Yeah I think Federer will win another slam if Nadal isn't in the Final (and if like you said players don't finish Federer off when in a winning position). That's what happened in 2009.

andylovesaustin
06-13-2010, 11:32 PM
No.

Why do you all keep starting threads like this?:confused:

Try supporting ANYBODY else but Roger and Rafa... Then you might see things a little differently.

Roger just made it to the FINALS of Halles. He made it to the QUARTERS of the French.

No, Roger is not done.

Jimnik
06-13-2010, 11:34 PM
Done and dusted. Lets mop him under the carpet.

alfonsojose
06-14-2010, 02:58 AM
If there is something dumber than this kind of threads, is the Fedtard's army :zzz: JesusFed can lose nis next 30 matches and still he'll be the best of the past decade, at leats. And i'm not even a fan. The guy looks more than tired, bored, like waiting for his opponents to lose. Two kids, 16 Slams. He can pee on court if he wants to. He earned it.

viruzzz
06-14-2010, 03:35 AM
If there is something dumber than this kind of threads, is the Fedtard's army :zzz: JesusFed can lose nis next 30 matches and still he'll be the best of the past decade, at leats. And i'm not even a fan. The guy looks more than tired, bored, like waiting for his opponents to lose. Two kids, 16 Slams. He can pee on court if he wants to. He earned it.

It's true what you say man.
But I think it's so bad to even think that a tennis player like Roger is done.
I mean, it is not the time to ask that question.
Look at Agassi!
Just look that.
He won his 16th grand slam 5 months ago.
It's not a question to ask, so I can understand when "Fedtards" got pissed off with someone asking the question.
I know I've been a bit agressive with my answers, but I did it with reasons... Or that's what I think...

chammer44
06-14-2010, 03:42 AM
Given the crop of weaklings on tour, and the suspect health of his two most dangerous rivals, I'd say he can easily win another 5 slams.

Mimi
06-14-2010, 03:48 AM
are you people for real? he just won his 16 slams this year, just has some bad losses, but done? :rolleyes:

Persimmon
06-14-2010, 01:24 PM
Given the crop of weaklings on tour, and the suspect health of his two most dangerous rivals, I'd say he can easily win another 5 slams.

This.

Nadal and Del Potro are Federer's most dangerous rivals at the slams but Nadal and Del Potro are ridiculously injury prone while Federer never gets injured. So Fed can win more slams easily:wavey:

Ibracadabra
06-14-2010, 01:40 PM
We will know in a few weeks time.

lazybear
06-14-2010, 02:06 PM
We will know in a few weeks time.

Yeah... i don't think so. I mean, if he goes out in the 4th round, is it really over for him? And on the other hand, what if he wins it, and retire? In my opinion, he have to keep playing, if he's still in love with this sport, as he always says... Doesn't really matter if he wins or not... He's already a winner, and nothing can change that.

Nidhogg
06-14-2010, 02:11 PM
No. He's getting older, but he's still one heck of a player.

Orka_n
06-14-2010, 02:16 PM
We will know in a few weeks time.That's right. :)

Haha, imagine MTF after Wimbledon... it will be an onslaught of either "FEDERER IS THE GREATEST, I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT SO" mentality or a "FEDERER HAS FALLEN AND SHOULD RETIRE IMMEDIATELY" attitude.
Personally I'm not sure whether he'll win Wimbledon but I will still consider him to be a contender for future slams even if doesn't win Wimby10. Although, of course, only a fool would pretend Fed's level is the same as in 2007.

tennis2tennis
06-14-2010, 02:39 PM
If there is something dumber than this kind of threads, is the Fedtard's army :zzz: JesusFed can lose nis next 30 matches and still he'll be the best of the past decade, at leats. And i'm not even a fan. The guy looks more than tired, bored, like waiting for his opponents to lose. Two kids, 16 Slams. He can pee on court if he wants to. He earned it.

:lol:

Given the crop of weaklings on tour, and the suspect health of his two most dangerous rivals, I'd say he can easily win another 5 slams.

seriously 'suspect health' code for unfit!!!

Schu
06-14-2010, 05:39 PM
Depends on what you mean by "Done". Federer is done being the dominant player on tour. I'm personally glad to see someone other than Fed in every final and very glad he is "done" in that respect.

He MAY also be done winning another GS but he can still go far in GS and I suspect he has a few more lesser titles left in him. I do think that this Wimbledon is Fed's best chance to win another GS, the probability goes down significantly after that as he gets older and his air if invinciability continues to erode more and more.

But what difference does it make if he is no longer Jesus Fed? I can't see why he'd continue to enjoy playing at an ever declining level but if he loves the game and still wants to play it and is satisfied with not collecting trophies at every tournament or reaching finals, why should any of us care if he is "done" ?

sco
06-14-2010, 06:34 PM
He's coming off losing for the first time before the GS semi-finals in over 5 1/2 years to a player who was scorching hot on the day. He's won a grand slam this year so it's a good year. If he wins either Wimbledon or US Open, it's a great year. And there's still the possibility for him to win both, which would make it the fourth time he's won 3 GS in one year - that would be simply amazing.

He's earned the right to do whatever he wants - even slacking off/tanking in non-GS tourneys. I've been following tennis since the mid 70s, and his game has spoiled me for other players. It's tennis the way it should be played - so effortless, so graceful - he's such a natural. He doesn't have the great mental toughness of a Borg or Nadal, but ah, his game is so beautiful.

syc23
06-14-2010, 07:18 PM
The only way you can say Federer is done is if he met Murray in 2010 Wimbledon final and gets tripled bageled. Which is 0% chance.

abraxas21
06-29-2011, 09:12 PM
done

hipolymer
06-29-2011, 09:35 PM
Haha, looks like this topic was right.

luie
06-29-2011, 09:38 PM
Haha, looks like this topic was right.
I think by sunday you can put the last red quote in your sig. green ,,as nadull will be beaten on grass by novak.

Topspin Forehand
06-29-2011, 10:28 PM
Federer is done winning slams.

star
06-29-2011, 10:33 PM
Federer is done winning slams.

I don't think you can say that with certainty. Someone who is still getting to the finals, semis, and quarters of a slam is a threat to win one.

hipolymer
06-29-2011, 10:35 PM
I think by sunday you can put the last red quote in your sig. green ,,as nadull will be beaten on grass by novak.

Hopefully. I don't want an asterisk placed on this if he beats Chokeray in another slam final.

Sunset of Age
06-29-2011, 10:39 PM
I don't think you can say that with certainty. Someone who is still getting to the finals, semis, and quarters of a slam is a threat to win one.

This is very true.

Sampras went through a period of two years where he didn't manage to win anything important before picking up his slam title #14. Of course he needed a friendly draw & some early upsets to happen, but it's impossible to claim that the same won't be happening to Federer as well. It's impossible to claim that it will just the same, btw. ;)

That said, I don't see him picking up more than one, possibly two to add to his tally. And even if he doesn't, it's all fine with me.

DwyaneWade
06-29-2011, 10:55 PM
This is very true.

Sampras went through a period of two years where he didn't manage to win anything important before picking up his slam title #14. Of course he needed a friendly draw & some early upsets to happen, but it's impossible to claim that the same won't be happening to Federer as well. It's impossible to claim that it will just the same, btw. ;)

That said, I don't see him picking up more than one, possibly two to add to his tally. And even if he doesn't, it's all fine with me.

exactly. Sampras got Roddick-Schalken-Agassi (good matchup). He very easily could have drawn Gonzalez (big hitter) in semis and then Hewitt (who owned him at that point) in the final.

A similar situation for Federer would be (US Open for example):

Roddick (QF)--> Soderling (SF, beats Nadal/Djokovic)--> Murray (final, someone he consistently has beaten at that stage).

Tsonga was the toughest QF draw of any of the top seeds.