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Wimbledon stage of elimination for Murray 2010? Vote please.

toby1526
06-12-2010, 11:05 AM
What do all you ppl reckon?

Certinfy
06-12-2010, 11:06 AM
SF or maybe even the final.

ossie
06-12-2010, 11:07 AM
he should consider himself lucky if he makes it to fed or rafa but he will go out in straights against fedal

rocketassist
06-12-2010, 11:09 AM
SF I reckon. It's still tougher for a guy like Fish to take him out in a best of 5 than it is in a MM best of 3.

Drugs Ruin Lives
06-12-2010, 11:10 AM
1r

Selby
06-12-2010, 11:13 AM
Both Murray and Roddick will go out before the semis.

Aaric
06-12-2010, 11:14 AM
The moment he faces a decent player

Sapeod
06-12-2010, 11:15 AM
Final, if he gets Nadal in his draw. I'm not sure if he can beat Federer in best of 5, so SF if he has Roger in his half.

vn01
06-12-2010, 11:20 AM
Qf.

Filo V.
06-12-2010, 11:22 AM
He's going out early. 4th round/QF at the most.

Certinfy
06-12-2010, 11:24 AM
Final, if he gets Nadal in his draw. I'm not sure if he can beat Federer in best of 5, so SF if he has Roger in his half.This is what I'm also thinking.

ImmzB
06-12-2010, 11:26 AM
4th Round

Start da Game
06-12-2010, 11:40 AM
he should be pretty much satisfied with a quarterfinal showing.......his mugly pushing tennis doesn't promise more than that and he knows it as well.......

born_on_clay
06-12-2010, 11:43 AM
Final, if he gets Nadal in his draw. I'm not sure if he can beat Federer in best of 5, so SF if he has Roger in his half.

he won't get a set off Nadal :cool:

he will be out before semis, in semis if he's lucky

born_on_clay
06-12-2010, 11:44 AM
The moment he faces a decent player

affirmative

Fedicilous
06-12-2010, 11:52 AM
Me may win against Nadal from Queens, but it's not likely.

Against Federer playing like in Halle , he won't take off a tie-break.

stebs
06-12-2010, 11:53 AM
Wait for the draw to discuss this... :shrug:

Vida
06-12-2010, 11:54 AM
good thread. I go qf.

Another RogFan
06-12-2010, 11:55 AM
He can beat Nadal easily, but aggressive players could trouble him. I still think he can be on the other side of the net against Federer (SF/F). The discussion could be meaningful but the poll itself is pretty useless.

Audacity
06-12-2010, 11:59 AM
Can't tell without the draw, but I reckon 4th round.

Certinfy
06-12-2010, 12:01 PM
There's no way I can see Murray losing before the QF here. However I do think if he gets Soderling or Roddick in his quarter he could potentially lose there. As for the SF if he plays Federer then he's gonna lose, if he plays Nadal I feel he'll win.

SRM
06-12-2010, 12:02 PM
Depends on the draw but I reckon QF.

Filo V.
06-12-2010, 12:02 PM
On grass, Nadal will beat Murray. Murray is not a threat for the title whatsoever unless the draw really opens up for him.

I'll wait for the draw to come out to fully judge but there are A LOT of players that can beat Murray out there on grass. He is very suspect to being upset early, more than all the other top players bar Nole.

Orka_n
06-12-2010, 12:06 PM
Depends on the draw but I reckon QF.Agreed.

tyruk14
06-12-2010, 12:10 PM
Murray gets to the semis. Depending on whose side he ends up on, he could even make the final.

DartMarcus
06-12-2010, 12:24 PM
He will get his game back and reach semis.

Vida
06-12-2010, 12:27 PM
who knows how the extra pressure will add up on his, at present, fragile competitive psyche.

rocketassist
06-12-2010, 12:31 PM
On grass, Nadal will beat Murray. Murray is not a threat for the title whatsoever unless the draw really opens up for him.

I'll wait for the draw to come out to fully judge but there are A LOT of players that can beat Murray out there on grass. He is very suspect to being upset early, more than all the other top players bar Nole.

Davydenko and Del Potro are more vulnerable on grass as well. Unless they don't count as top players?

lazybear
06-12-2010, 12:59 PM
Things doesn't look too good for him right now. On grass, you have to attack, and it looks like these days when he attacks, the UE's rear their ugly head. He simply can't attack with any kind of consistency. His serve is on and off, his second is easy to attack, his forehand is still lacks the power, and even his backhand lets him down recently... I have to say his first opponent with quality weapons, will have a solid chance to take him out, possibly in the 4th round.

River
06-12-2010, 01:05 PM
QF.

This is obviously not Murray's surface, nor will his play style ever make grass his surface.

Clydey
06-12-2010, 01:15 PM
Quarters at the earliest. Murray's "slump" has been exaggerated. He played well from Madrid onwards and, like all the top seeds, lost at Queens. He'll be fine for Wimbledon, and this is coming from someone who is naturally pessimistic.

FormerRafaFan
06-12-2010, 02:35 PM
I'd say QF with a potential SF.

Quarters at the earliest. Murray's "slump" has been exaggerated. He played well from Madrid onwards and, like all the top seeds, lost at Queens. He'll be fine for Wimbledon, and this is coming from someone who is naturally pessimistic. I agree with this.

Andi-M
06-12-2010, 02:41 PM
Depends on draw, attitude really. Theres not too much wrong with his game atm.

If he gets past QF i think he may well win it, Andy is very good in the latter parts of tournaments when he gets there, I actually think he could win it this year because he is not a heavy favorite as he was last year, and with the press more interested in the footie, Andy may feel less pressure.

gin lemon
06-12-2010, 02:55 PM
Depends on the draw. With a reasonable draw I would say Quarters

Noleta
06-12-2010, 03:00 PM
Ru.

yuri27
06-12-2010, 03:38 PM
It could be in first round.
There are some very dangerous floaters this year at Wimbledon and Murray himself doesn't look in great shape.

Langers
06-12-2010, 03:48 PM
The moment he faces a decent player
This. He'll get to the 4R/QF by defeating talentless players, but at the first sign of a challenge, he'll wilt.

Langers
06-12-2010, 03:49 PM
Depends on draw, attitude really. Theres not too much wrong with his game atm.

If he gets past QF i think he may well win it, Andy is very good in the latter parts of tournaments when he gets there, I actually think he could win it this year because he is not a heavy favorite as he was last year, and with the press more interested in the footie, Andy may feel less pressure.
:lol: With good freakin' reason. He's playing shocking.

bad gambler
06-12-2010, 03:49 PM
4th round sounds about right

decrepitude
06-12-2010, 03:57 PM
Shall I start polls for the other 127 entrants?

andy neyer
06-12-2010, 04:18 PM
he should be pretty much satisfied with a quarterfinal showing.......his mugly pushing tennis doesn't promise more than that and he knows it as well.......

Interesting to hear that from a Nadull tard.

Mechlan
06-12-2010, 04:30 PM
4r/qf.

ApproachShot
06-12-2010, 04:42 PM
I'm going to go for the semis. While it is true that he hasn't played well for a number of tournaments after the Australian Open, I think he has recovered some of the lost form. Yes he lost to Fish on grass, but it was in a third set tiebreak against an inspired opponent. That said it won't come as a huge shock if he lost to someone like Soderling or Roddick in the quarter-finals. Anything less than that and he will be bitterly disappointed.

Of course the chances are that he may also be challenged strongy in the early rounds at Wimbledon - like he was against Wawrinka in that epic match under the roof last year. Depends upon the draw but he should reach the semis from where on in he will not start off as the favourite unless the draw opens up for him with someone taking Fedal out of the competition. It is only really then that I fancy his chances of getting through to the final. And even if he does reach the final, both from a physical and mnental perspective (compounded by the hysterical British tabloid press) I wouldn't favour him there either.

Langers
06-12-2010, 04:48 PM
Interesting to hear that from a Nadull tard.
7 Slams.

:hatoff:

FEDERERBEAUTY
06-12-2010, 05:01 PM
Ideally triple-bagled in the first round.
But more likely 4th round after 1 easy match and 3 increasingly difficult ones.

RawrArgh
06-12-2010, 05:45 PM
I say QF. Hope I'm wrong and he goes further :)

Start da Game
06-12-2010, 06:02 PM
Interesting to hear that from a Nadull tard.

i am not a nadaltard, clown.......i am a tennistard.......btw learn the difference between pushing and blasting........nadal blasts, murray pushes.......

Arkulari
06-12-2010, 06:12 PM
:spit: :spit: :spit:

Certinfy
06-12-2010, 06:13 PM
i am not a nadaltard, clown.......i am a tennistard.......btw learn the difference between pushing and blasting........nadal blasts, murray pushes.......:haha:

Start da Game
06-12-2010, 06:16 PM
:dog::dog::dog:

madmax
06-12-2010, 06:31 PM
he'll lose in the final to Roger most likely...once again

Corey Feldman
06-12-2010, 06:33 PM
4th R/QF

he's simply not at the races this year

Start da Game
06-12-2010, 06:38 PM
4th R/QF

he's simply not at the races this year

true that.......his fans are dreaming a lot.......they fail to see that he has lost his way totally.......AO final was a fluke run and should have actually had curtains by quarterfinals.......

unless he develops a solid forehand and aggressive mentality, he will only go down from here and power hitters would take over his position.......

Corey Feldman
06-12-2010, 06:39 PM
Get out of here

Start da Game
06-12-2010, 06:41 PM
Get out of here

that won't happen.......

raahaat7
06-12-2010, 06:42 PM
Depends on draw, attitude really. Theres not too much wrong with his game atm.

If he gets past QF i think he may well win it, Andy is very good in the latter parts of tournaments when he gets there, I actually think he could win it this year because he is not a heavy favorite as he was last year, and with the press more interested in the footie, Andy may feel less pressure.

agree

Persimmon
06-12-2010, 08:10 PM
Quarter Final.

Elena.
06-12-2010, 08:30 PM
i try with semifinal

Filo V.
06-12-2010, 11:31 PM
Davydenko and Del Potro are more vulnerable on grass as well. Unless they don't count as top players?

JMDP is out and Nikolay just returned from injury. They aren't viable in this discussion, I don't consider Nikolay a top player on this surface. Murray has reached a level where he is considered a top player regardless of surface, even clay, and has high expectations, but just like on clay, he's going to find it hard to win Wimbledon with his style of play.

Filo V.
06-12-2010, 11:41 PM
Interesting to hear that from a Nadull tard.

Rafa isn't a pusher. Defensive, at times, yes, and also he looks to attack also. Murray is past the term defensive, he pushes the ball a lot, off the ground and with the second serve at times. He for the most part does not create an attack, unlike Rafa, and unlike pretty much all of the top 5 or 6 guys. He tried that vs. Fish and got beaten. Which is why he's suspect on grass, guys who attack will not allow you to push and get away with it. When he is offensive, he makes errors and it isn't natural. You cannot push and win consistently on grass, which is why I expect nothing more than a 4r/QF performance.

allpro
06-12-2010, 11:45 PM
need to see the draw first.

tyruk14
06-12-2010, 11:47 PM
i am not a nadaltard, clown.......i am a tennistard.......btw learn the difference between pushing and blasting........nadal blasts, murray pushes.......

Nadal moonballs. If you want to call that blasting the ball, go ahead.

leng jai
06-13-2010, 12:16 AM
Nadull the master blaster

green25814
06-13-2010, 12:25 AM
Rafa isn't a pusher. Defensive, at times, yes, and also he looks to attack also. Murray is past the term defensive, he pushes the ball a lot, off the ground and with the second serve at times. He for the most part does not create an attack, unlike Rafa, and unlike pretty much all of the top 5 or 6 guys. He tried that vs. Fish and got beaten. Which is why he's suspect on grass, guys who attack will not allow you to push and get away with it. When he is offensive, he makes errors and it isn't natural. You cannot push and win consistently on grass, which is why I expect nothing more than a 4r/QF performance.

You'd seriously consider Murray a more defensive player than Roddick?

As far as a defensive mindset, Nadal is way ahead of murray. His entire game is geared towards margin for error.

leng jai
06-13-2010, 12:27 AM
You'd seriously consider Murray a more defensive player than Roddick?

As far as a defensive mindset, Nadal is way ahead of murray. His entire game is geared towards margin for error.

Except when he sees a slice, in which case he'll switch to Master Blaster mode and pulverize it for a winner with ease.

green25814
06-13-2010, 12:30 AM
Except when he sees a slice, in which case he'll switch to Master Blaster mode and pulverize it for a winner with ease.

Even when Nadal hits a winner, its all about margin for error. That is the definition of a defensive player. His game is about elimination of risk. Murray tries to emulate it at times.

Sapeod
06-13-2010, 12:39 AM
i am not a nadaltard, clown.......i am a tennistard.......btw learn the difference between pushing and blasting........nadal blasts, murray pushes.......
By blasting, you mean blasting the ball into the sky?

.-Federers_Mate-.
06-13-2010, 12:45 AM
:dog::dog::dog:

??

.-Federers_Mate-.
06-13-2010, 12:48 AM
semi

andy neyer
06-13-2010, 01:02 AM
i am not a nadaltard, clown.......i am a tennistard.......

You're actually more of a re-tard. :)

Filo V.
06-13-2010, 01:03 AM
You'd seriously consider Murray a more defensive player than Roddick?

As far as a defensive mindset, Nadal is way ahead of murray. His entire game is geared towards margin for error.

I don't know, it's pretty close. Indian Wells and Miami showed Roddick can play aggressive tennis throughout a tournament, and Murray simply doesn't do that on a regular basis. I don't consider Murray a defensive player. When I think of a defensive player, I think of a guy like Robredo. A-Rod sort of "pitty pats" and moves the ball around to get in a position to attack himself. Murray uses players attacks against them by outwitting them, forcing them into errors by being able to get points back to neutral after starting rallies on the defense and frustrating the opponent, and by counter-punching. But in terms of personal attacking tennis, Nadal is ahead of Murray on that level, and so are the other players in the top 5. Nadal definitely has a more aggressive mindset than Murray, he just isn't able to be as effective playing that type of game and he can be forced into defensive positions, whereas Murray is 90% of the time is non-assertive in his play.

Filo V.
06-13-2010, 01:07 AM
Even when Nadal hits a winner, its all about margin for error. That is the definition of a defensive player. His game is about elimination of risk. Murray tries to emulate it at times.

Yes, and no. Yes in that he plays it safe or, a better way to put it is that his shots are not as risky due to the spin he puts on the ball. But no, in that he actually tries to create the attack. He can play attacking tennis, but because his forehand is naturally whippy people think he's a moonballer or a pusher, and not offensive, which isn't the case. He's like 50-50 defense/offense. Murray is more in the 75/25 range.

Jills
06-13-2010, 01:58 AM
IMO, he'll make the quarters, but there are a lot of people who can trouble him before that. Players like Berdych aren't going to be easy for Murray to beat on grass if he couldn't even beat Berdych at RG.

I think if the seeds hold, he can only make it past quarters if he draws Kolya in his quarter. I don't see him beating Soderling, Roddick or an in-form/healthy Verdasco in a QF match. He's been playing worse than all 3 since AO by far.

If he makes the final, I'll be extremely surprised.

HKz
06-13-2010, 02:12 AM
Despite having a lackluster season, he has still showed up pretty well in both of the slams this year. I mean although he only made it to the 4th round at Roland Garros, I think his loss was to a legitimately better player on clay. I think he should at the very least make the quarterfinals at Wimbledon. If he ends up on Nadal's half of the draw, I think he has a very fair chance to make it to the finals but we would have to see Rafael's form during the tournament. However if he were to end up on Federer's side and in fact play Roger, don't think he has much of a chance of going one better than last year.

HKz
06-13-2010, 02:14 AM
true that.......his fans are dreaming a lot.......they fail to see that he has lost his way totally.......AO final was a fluke run and should have actually had curtains by quarterfinals.......

unless he develops a solid forehand and aggressive mentality, he will only go down from here and power hitters would take over his position.......

You know by talking trash of other players, you're also brining Nadal down. Nadal has lost to Murray twice now in slams.

malisha
06-13-2010, 02:21 AM
Murray will mug it out through the draw while losing sets here and there and then play his best tennis in semifinal and final

Dusk Soldier
06-13-2010, 03:21 AM
Second round.

zethand
06-13-2010, 03:27 AM
He is not motivated.. A shame because he is talented

christallh24
06-13-2010, 04:35 AM
true that.......his fans are dreaming a lot.......they fail to see that he has lost his way totally.......AO final was a fluke run and should have actually had curtains by quarterfinals.......

unless he develops a solid forehand and aggressive mentality, he will only go down from here and power hitters would take over his position.......

Jesus, but I wish you were a Federer fan. You do know that Andy got to the USO final, too? Rafa hasn't, yet. Andy's AO final wasn't a fluke.

The Magician
06-13-2010, 05:08 AM
Depends. If he is on Roger's side, SF. If he's on Nadal's side, F or even win assuming the Wimbledon staff do everything to let him win including breaking Fed's legs in the locker room. Of course, he's capable of crapping out terribly to anyone, so the draw is really important for him. Thread is still to early imo :wavey:

green25814
06-13-2010, 05:25 AM
Yes, and no. Yes in that he plays it safe or, a better way to put it is that his shots are not as risky due to the spin he puts on the ball. But no, in that he actually tries to create the attack. He can play attacking tennis, but because his forehand is naturally whippy people think he's a moonballer or a pusher, and not offensive, which isn't the case. He's like 50-50 defense/offense. Murray is more in the 75/25 range.

No, I disagree. Nadal occasionally shows an attacking mindset, but for him its more about putting the ball in deep, difficult positions, and 'not throwing it away'. If by aggressive you mean competitive, then sure. But Nadal's competitiveness comes from not wanting to lose.

And regardless, their mindsets are secondary to their games here. Nadal is primarily a claycourt topspin player, with probably the lowest margin for error on the tour. If you want to know which of the two have a more aggressive game, just watch them play each other. Murray flattens out his strokes every time they meet. Murray definitely has a defensive mindset, but gamewise he can be much more aggressive than Nadal. He's about on par with Djokovic (though the Serb admittedly has a much superior attacking forehand).

Priam
06-13-2010, 06:46 AM
Whichever round he plays Fish.

chowdahead25
06-13-2010, 06:59 AM
4th

Start da Game
06-13-2010, 07:47 AM
Jesus, but I wish you were a Federer fan. You do know that Andy got to the USO final, too? Rafa hasn't, yet. Andy's AO final wasn't a fluke.

murray used to play with a sense of cleverness back in 08.......he lost that 08 final mainly due to the scheduling bias of the organizers.......

but after wimbledon 2009, he started getting way too passive and lost his way.......no matter how much it pains for murray fans, that's actually the truth of the matter......

he must do one of these two things to have any success further.......

1) either get back to his tactical ways of beating the opponent i.e, placement, accuracy, closing in on the net etc. which he used to do well in 08.......

OR

2) develop a powerful forehand and serve.......

atm he is being a pusher and retriever, getting punched left and right on the court.......

Vida
06-13-2010, 08:29 AM
fat chance for that forehand and serve.

syc23
06-13-2010, 10:20 AM
Murray v Fish final with the American retiring after 2 games not for complaining about bad light but some deranged British fan will run onto the court stabbing him in the back for his shocking behaviour at Queens which would be fully deserved.:devil::)