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Big servers from Spain?

BackhandMissile
06-10-2010, 06:13 PM
The Spaniards have had a lot of players over the years, but I can't recall many big servers.

Any names that should be mentioned here, and if not, any explanation as to why the Spaniards aren't coming up with big servers? They definitely have had a lot of hard hitters.

ChuckNorrisFan
06-10-2010, 06:14 PM
Lopez

Sapeod
06-10-2010, 06:16 PM
Lopez has a big serve.

Voo de Mar
06-10-2010, 06:17 PM
Hingis' lover, Julian Alonso was a big server albeit hadn't been serving many aces. In 1998 he had the fourth fastest service in the ATP history (225 km/h) behind Rusedski, Philippoussis and Rosset but ahead of Krajicek and Ivanisevic :o

Montego
06-10-2010, 06:18 PM
Lopez, Verdasco, Navarro probably serve the best from Spanish active players.

Surcouf
06-10-2010, 06:20 PM
Almagro can serve very well.

_Chaz
06-10-2010, 06:21 PM
Lopez has the best serve I think.

Montego
06-10-2010, 06:21 PM
Yes, Almagro too.

Pirata.
06-10-2010, 06:22 PM
Lopez, for sure. Almagro and Verdasco also have good serves.

robinpirate
06-10-2010, 06:27 PM
Feli, Almagro have very reliable and fluid motion serves. Verdasco's can either be a bomb or a shitty puff in the middle of the net (kind of like Murray, though more exaggerated). From the past, Moya used to have a pretty good serve as well as Corretja.

DartMarcus
06-10-2010, 06:29 PM
Navarro is very solid server! Lopez as well.

JMG
06-10-2010, 06:30 PM
What about Alcaide?

Sapeod
06-10-2010, 06:33 PM
What about Alcaide?
Granollers can serve a lot of aces at times. Not a very big serve though.

Smoke944
06-10-2010, 06:34 PM
Almagro.

Montego
06-10-2010, 06:38 PM
Surprising that noone has mentioned King Oscar so far

Aaric
06-10-2010, 06:39 PM
Yeah, almugro serves pretty well

Sapeod
06-10-2010, 06:41 PM
Surprising that noone has mentioned King Oscar so far
That's because he has a WTA serve.

Filo V.
06-10-2010, 06:43 PM
Guillermo Alcaide is right up there in big servers. He can serve in the 140s.

Montego
06-10-2010, 06:44 PM
That's because he has a WTA serve.

No shit, Sherlock.

Sapeod
06-10-2010, 06:45 PM
No shit, Sherlock.
No need to act like a little jerk, I knew your post was sarcastic, and very unfunny. Just saying.

The Magician
06-10-2010, 06:48 PM
Surprising that noone has mentioned King Oscar so far

His game is too well rounded to be categorized as a "big server". Yes he has a great serve but he has too much variety and finesse on his serve for that label :)

The Magician
06-10-2010, 06:50 PM
That's because he has a WTA serve.

A Murray fan not knowing the first thing about Tennis, color me suprised :rolleyes::wavey:

sheva07
06-10-2010, 06:54 PM
Vicente.

Filo V.
06-10-2010, 06:54 PM
Lopez has the best serve of Spaniards on the ATP tour.

Sapeod
06-10-2010, 06:55 PM
A Murray fan not knowing the first thing about Tennis, color me suprised :rolleyes::wavey:
Are you saying Hernandez has a big serve? :spit: :haha: He has an average serve at best.

Priam
06-10-2010, 06:56 PM
Verdasco has a nice serve when it's on. I liked Corretja's too.

Voo de Mar
06-10-2010, 07:08 PM
Lopez is the best Spanish current server in terms of aces but Almagro and Verdasco have faster serves... Beside Alonso, in the 90's also Jordi Burillo had powerful serve, all these players (except LaLo) are/were able to deliver a booming serve only in one direction - "down the T" on deuce-court, Verdasco admittedly on ad-court but only because he's left-handed.

The Magician
06-10-2010, 07:10 PM
Are you saying Hernandez has a big serve? :spit: :haha: He has an average serve at best.

There's a reason he's called the King :yeah:

Look at this form :worship:
http://img.youtube.com/vi/hpiGe8ZTdi8/0.jpg

also here's the serve variety of the King against the world's best
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJKNN3XFJUA&feature=related

Priam
06-10-2010, 07:11 PM
Moya could serve pretty big too ages ago. Almagro doesn't look like a strong dude but he can sure whack it.

Sapeod
06-10-2010, 07:13 PM
Any player can do that atleast once, nothing special from "King". And his serve is average, deal with it.

FormerRafaFan
06-10-2010, 07:19 PM
Lopez

Yup. I was just going to say Lopez. Our commentator said that Lopez is one of the big servers. And when it's on, it's on, like on fire. lol

He actually played well yesterday. It's obvious his serves are much better suited for the grass than the clay. Isn't he the only Spaniard favoring grass instead of clay? lol

The Magician
06-10-2010, 07:35 PM
Any player can do that atleast once, nothing special from "King". And his serve is average, deal with it.

The King has a great platform serve, nice back arch and and a solid toss. If Nadal, who basically arms the ball in, can be considered to have a "good" serve the King is a huge step above.

gorgo1986
06-10-2010, 07:36 PM
Lopez has the best serve from all the current Spaniards.

Mjau!
06-10-2010, 08:30 PM
This is why the spanish school of tennis s**ks. A 100% focus on grinding. God forbid they develop a player who can do anything other than run, grunt and hit topspin ground strokes! :rolleyes: I don't know how Lopez plays the way he does, but he deserves some kind of medal.

Filo V.
06-10-2010, 08:33 PM
This is why the spanish school of tennis s**ks. A 100% focus on grinding. God forbid they develop a player who can do anything other than run, grunt and hit topspin ground strokes! :rolleyes: I don't know how Lopez plays the way he does, but he deserves some kind of medal.

It's sure worked for Nadal.

Arkulari
06-10-2010, 08:33 PM
Lopez has one of the best second serves on tour, Almagro serves good as well

Har-Tru
06-10-2010, 08:36 PM
The reason is obviously clay, and the examples have already been given: Lopez, Almagro and Navarro. Verdasco too, buy only when he doesn't WTA his serve.

Lopez and Almagro both have top 10 second serves.

Yup. I was just going to say Lopez. Our commentator said that Lopez is one of the big servers. And when it's on, it's on, like on fire. lol

He actually played well yesterday. It's obvious his serves are much better suited for the grass than the clay. Isn't he the only Spaniard favoring grass instead of clay? lol

Navarro loves the grass too.

Bazooka
06-10-2010, 08:41 PM
I really liked Moya's serve. Corretja was smart with it. Almagro and Verdasco know how to get some free points. And there's Feliciano. But don't expect big serve being a strong point from our players, as it's not a part of the game much appreciated here, most of the time I see tennis training the serve is practiced at the end and just a few minutes. My own coach does that too ;)

born_on_clay
06-10-2010, 09:16 PM
Almagro for sure

Mjau!
06-10-2010, 09:49 PM
It's sure worked for Nadal.

Yes, you have a crush on Nadal. :inlove: We get it. :ras: :rolleyes:

At least their school seems to work lately with lots of Davis Cups and slams, they have their own style, stick to it and that works.

It sure works but it's tedious to watch, no?

kobulingam
06-10-2010, 09:50 PM
F.Lopez!!!

Everko
06-10-2010, 10:33 PM
Surprising that noone has mentioned King Oscar so far

he's not spanish. He is from heaven

rocketassist
06-10-2010, 10:34 PM
Alonso's serve was quite strong.

allpro
06-10-2010, 10:37 PM
Almugro all the way.

ShotmaKer
06-10-2010, 11:13 PM
Carlos Boluda Purkiss.

Har-Tru
06-10-2010, 11:15 PM
Carlos Boluda Purkiss.

Irony, right? Have you seen him play? How does he play?

Action Jackson
06-11-2010, 02:50 AM
Boluda is a midget.

LaLo, Almagro have the best serves for the Spanish today.

careergrandslam
06-11-2010, 03:41 AM
embarrassing rafa doesnt have a good serve yet his spanish dogs all have better serve than him.
shameful rafa.

best spanish player has the worst serve out of all the spanish players.:o

spanish_army
06-11-2010, 04:26 AM
This is why the spanish school of tennis s**ks. A 100% focus on grinding. God forbid they develop a player who can do anything other than run, grunt and hit topspin ground strokes! :rolleyes: I don't know how Lopez plays the way he does, but he deserves some kind of medal.

Nevertheless 1000 times better than Swedish school whose best result is to have 1 player in Top 300. Incredible what we have to read in this forum from Nadal hatters.

Action Jackson
06-11-2010, 04:32 AM
Nevertheless 1000 times better than Swedish school whose best result is to have 1 player in Top 300. Incredible what we have to read in this forum from Nadal hatters.

Yes and Spain has always been a peak power in tennis.

Pirata.
06-11-2010, 04:36 AM
also here's the serve variety of the King against the world's best
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJKNN3XFJUA&feature=related

Ahaha, the comments on that video! :haha::worship:

spanish_army
06-11-2010, 04:41 AM
Yes and Spain has always been a peak power in tennis.

From tennis is a totally world sport, Spain is a power. But even in 1960 when Spain hadn't money to invest in sports Manolo Santana won Wimbledon and RG several times and Manolo Orantes or Gimeno won GS's.Besides that Spain was runner-up in Davis Cup.

It's tennis culture, you know.

Action Jackson
06-11-2010, 04:43 AM
From tennis is a totally world sport, Spain is a power. But even in 1960 when Spain hadn't money to invest in sports Manolo Santana won Wimbledon and RG several times and Manolo Orantes or Gimeno won GS's.Besides that Spain was runner-up in Davis Cup.

It's tennis culture, you know.

Missed the point didn't you. These things go in cycles, not many countries are going to achieve what the Swedes did in the 80s especially with such a small population.

You're gloating about Spain now, but this situation isn't always going to be the same.

spanish_army
06-11-2010, 04:55 AM
Missed the point didn't you. These things go in cycles, not many countries are going to achieve what the Swedes did in the 80s especially with such a small population.

You're gloating about Spain now, but this situation isn't always going to be the same.

How many population do you think are there in Spain? Half than Germans, almost half than Italians... it's true Swedish are only ten millions but when they got that resuts Sweden was an economical power and of course they had a great advantage over countries as Spain. When money came to Spain things changed.

gloating? I'm only reminding history.Even being poors, we had meritorious results.

"but this situation isn't always going to be the same"... of course, players as Nadal or Federer appear 1 time each ten or twenty years.

Action Jackson
06-11-2010, 08:10 AM
How many population do you think are there in Spain? Half than Germans, almost half than Italians... it's true Swedish are only ten millions but when they got that resuts Sweden was an economical power and of course they had a great advantage over countries as Spain. When money came to Spain things changed.

gloating? I'm only reminding history.Even being poors, we had meritorious results.

"but this situation isn't always going to be the same"... of course, players as Nadal or Federer appear 1 time each ten or twenty years.

Don't give me that nonsense, there is a much smaller population base for the Swedes than there is for Spain, you making excuses for it's a joke. Tennis wasn't even a sport until Borg came along in Sweden.

You mean Tiriac moving money from Germany to Spain. If it was solely about finances then Germany and US would always be dominant tennis nations, since they are big economic powers.

Yes you are gloating, we are the best now, but it's not always going to be that way when it comes to playing stocks.

careergrandslam
06-11-2010, 08:49 AM
spain is the dominant power in mens tennis the past 6 or 7 years, they always win the most singles titles during the year.
no other country can hold a candle to spain.

im sure spain will have more great players in the future because of what nadal has done to the popularity of tennis in spain.
as alex corretja recently said "in spain there is god, then there is rafä"

propi
06-11-2010, 09:02 AM
Don't give me that nonsense, there is a much smaller population base for the Swedes than there is for Spain, you making excuses for it's a joke. Tennis wasn't even a sport until Borg came along in Sweden.

You mean Tiriac moving money from Germany to Spain. If it was solely about finances then Germany and US would always be dominant tennis nations, since they are big economic powers.

Yes you are gloating, we are the best now, but it's not always going to be that way when it comes to playing stocks.
Actually I pretty much agree with you on this.
I'm sure tennis in Spain won't be always like it's now, but even in bad times we managed to get top 10 players.
I started following tennis more avidly thanks to Sergi Bruguera and Conchita Martínez... all that came slightly after them were mainly thanks to ADO project which had Barcelona Olympics as main goal, the success was undeniable but after them... lots of male players but huge crisis in women tennis with the exception of younger players whose role model were ASV and Conchita herself, it could have easily gone the other way round, so who can say that may not happen again?? I'm sure Rafa's example will encourage lots of youngsters now, but I doubt they will be as sucessful as he's and then, what's left for the new breed??
Gosh, I hope I managed to explain my view...

Oh! And let's not forget about that devilish sport called pádel... almost everyone plays it now and tennis courts are not as populated as they once were :fiery:


Said that, big servers from Spain, I've known the usual suspects in this thread... Burillo, Feli, Nico or Carlos.
And about Rafa, I think his serve is under rated, he won't get many aces, but when on it's hard to attack

Action Jackson
06-11-2010, 09:13 AM
Actually I pretty much agree with you on this.
I'm sure tennis in Spain won't be always like it's now, but even in bad times we managed to get top 10 players.
I started following tennis more avidly thanks to Sergi Bruguera and Conchita Martínez... all that came slightly after them were mainly thanks to ADO project which had Barcelona Olympics as main goal, the success was undeniable but after them... lots of male players but huge crisis in women tennis with the exception of younger players whose role model were ASV and Conchita herself, it could have easily gone the other way round, so who can say that may not happen again?? I'm sure Rafa's example will encourage lots of youngsters now, but I doubt they will be as sucessful as he's and then, what's left for the new breed??
Gosh, I hope I managed to explain my view...

Oh! And let's not forget about that devilish sport called pádel... almost everyone plays it now and tennis courts are not as populated as they once were :fiery:


Said that, big servers from Spain, I've known the usual suspects in this thread... Burillo, Feli, Nico or Carlos.
And about Rafa, I think his serve is under rated, he won't get many aces, but when on it's hard to attack

propi, I get your point tennis has its place within Spanish sporting culture and they have done very well but things change, there are some wonderful generations of players perfect example Sweden in the 80s, but once they retired the next group while good weren't as successful. To take that to another example is the Yanks after the Agassi, Sampras, Chang and Courier, look what has followed.

Gimeno-Traver can serve quite well, but he copied the worst aspects of the Moya game.

Har-Tru
06-11-2010, 09:14 AM
Spain's situation will not be like Sweden's in the short run, but it might well turn out being like Germany's or Australia's, with quite a lot of players in the top 300 but not many real top guns.

As has been said Sweden doesn't have the luxury of being very populated.

propi
06-11-2010, 09:21 AM
propi, I get your point tennis has its place within Spanish sporting culture and they have done very well but things change, there are some wonderful generations of players perfect example Sweden in the 80s, but once they retired the next group while good weren't as successful. To take that to another example is the Yanks after the Agassi, Sampras, Chang and Courier, look what has followed.

Gimeno-Traver can serve quite well, but he copied the worst aspects of the Moya game.
LOL I see I didn't make my point... actually I'm with you, AJ, I think that in a near future, we will manage to have top 10-20 players (due to our let's say, tennis infraestructure) but may struggle to get Grand Slams or nice result further from Roland Garros and tennis will be as it was before... let's get real... tennis doesn't move as much money, tv, etc in Spain,as we think it does... RAFA does, the others (with the exception of Verdasco :o) are almost forgotten.
With Rafa many people have develop a slight interest in tennis but, as Fernando Alonso's followers, I doubt they will continue with that after he retires... Rafa right now is trendy in Spain, once he's not there, if we lack a real champion, tennis won't be fashionable any longer

Action Jackson
06-11-2010, 09:24 AM
LOL I see I didn't make my point... actually I'm with you, AJ, I think that in a near future, we will manage to have top 10-20 players (due to our let's say, tennis infraestructure) but may struggle to get Grand Slams or nice result further from Roland Garros and tennis will be as it was before... let's get real... tennis doesn't move as much money, tv, etc in Spain,as we think it does... RAFA does, the others (with the exception of Verdasco :o) are almost forgotten.

Har-Tru summed it up perfectly, if there is a decline it will be like Germany having lots of players but not necessarily at the top.

That's the problem the future players will get compared to Nadal, so expectations won't be realistic.

propi
06-11-2010, 09:31 AM
Har-Tru summed it up perfectly, if there is a decline it will be like Germany having lots of players but not necessarily at the top.

That's the problem the future players will get compared to Nadal, so expectations won't be realistic.
Yep, that's it, we will be the next Germany (which won't be that bad, they had Benji Becker :bounce: :p ):yeah:


:topic: so you can already place bets... who will buy Madrid Master Series 1000?? My guess is Kazakhstan, and we will give them the Caja Mágica as present :lol: :rolleyes: :p

careergrandslam
06-11-2010, 10:45 AM
who knows, u could have better players from mallorca than from mainland spain coming up in the future because rafa might inspire young kids from mallorca rather than mainland spain. in mallorca, i doubt they will ever forget rafa nadal once he retires, carlos moya is from mallorca aswell and he was rafa's idol when he was growing up.
right now all the guys from mainland spain are getting schooled by the guy from mallorca.

jorge lorenzo the motogp rider is also from mallorca, seems like mallorca is where spanish sporting superstars are coming from these days, maybe its work ethic of mallorcans.

mallorca > mainland spain.:)

Mjau!
06-11-2010, 10:58 AM
Nevertheless 1000 times better than Swedish school whose best result is to have 1 player in Top 300. Incredible what we have to read in this forum from Nadal hatters.

Wow, what a bigot! The abuse I have to endure from swede haters... *sigh* :sad:

paseo
06-11-2010, 11:16 AM
Nadal, of course.

peribsen
06-11-2010, 11:19 AM
Wow, what a bigot! The abuse I have to endure from swede haters... *sigh* :sad:

I don´t think many people hate Sweden (well, perhaps Norwegians, maybe Finns... my father was posted in Oslo a couple of years and came back with the feeling Viking-Varengian relations were not exactly warm). But most people have an alltogether positive view about most things Nordic.

Maybe if you didn´t insult other countries you wouldn't receive so much return fire? You've got plenty threads on the lines of 'Scandinavians are racially superior', 'Spanish tennis sucks', 'they play clay because they don´t have the money for proper courts', 'thank God I come from a developed country', and so on.

A bigot is somebody who demands a respect he/she doesn´t grant others. In your case, it's probably mostly about clowning around, but some people may not see it that way.

MariaV
06-11-2010, 11:19 AM
I saw Jonas Björkman and ToJo say on some ATP video shot in MC that after Robin Söderling's success last year there are lots of children in the tennis clubs that all the clubs are full etc. etc. so there's a big boom again and they were pretty optimistic. :D And Sweden is a small nation indeed, a player like Borg doesn't come along every decade but now with Söderling for example they have a player at the very top again so well done! :yeah: I've understood that they have an excellent infrastructure for tennis. :D

peribsen
06-11-2010, 11:27 AM
I saw Jonas Björkman and ToJo say on some ATP video shot in MC that after Robin Söderling's success last year there are lots of children in the tennis clubs that all the clubs are full etc. etc. so there's a big boom again and they were pretty optimistic. :D And Sweden is a small nation indeed, a player like Borg doesn't come along every decade but now with Söderling for example they have a player at the very top again so well done! :yeah: I've understood that they have an excellent infrastructure for tennis. :D

These Estonians, always pandering to Swedes and hoping for a new Karl XIIth !! ;)

Mjau!
06-11-2010, 11:53 AM
I don´t think many people hate Sweden (well, perhaps Norwegians, maybe Finns... my father was posted in Oslo a couple of years and came back with the feeling Viking-Varengian relations were not exactly warm). But most people have an alltogether positive view about most things Nordic.

Maybe if you didn´t insult other countries you wouldn't receive so much return fire? You've got plenty threads on the lines of 'Scandinavians are racially superior', 'Spanish tennis sucks', 'they play clay because they don´t have the money for proper courts', 'thank God I come from a developed country', and so on.

A bigot is somebody who demands a respect he/she doesn´t grant others. In your case, it's probably mostly about clowning around, but some people may not see it that way.

The finns are just jealous while the norwegians like to gloat and feel superior because they are lucky enough to have lots of oil. :rolleyes: They "hate" us the way children "hate" their siblings.

Never have I suggested that Scandinavians are racially superior! :eek: How dare you accuse me of racism!? :(

I recognize Spain as the most successful tennis nation, I just don't appreciate the way they play.

Why are all courts clay then? It doesn't make any sense if they are more expensive! :unsure:

Well, aren't you happy you were born in a developed country? Who isn't?

Mjau!
06-11-2010, 11:54 AM
These Estonians, always pandering to Swedes and hoping for a new Karl XIIth !! ;)

They'd be better off, no doubt...

Action Jackson
06-11-2010, 11:55 AM
The finns are just jealous while the norwegians like to gloat and feel superior because they are lucky enough to have lots of oil. :rolleyes: They "hate" us the way children "hate" their siblings.

Never have I suggested that Scandinavians are racially superior! :eek: How dare you accuse me of racism!? :(

I recognize Spain as the most successful tennis nation, I just don't appreciate the way they play.

Why are all courts clay then? It doesn't make any sense if they are more expensive! :unsure:

Well, aren't you happy you were born in a developed country? Who isn't?

You are a great comedian.

Mjau!
06-11-2010, 12:01 PM
:confused:

peribsen
06-11-2010, 12:24 PM
The finns are just jealous while the norwegians like to gloat and feel superior because they are lucky enough to have lots of oil. :rolleyes: They "hate" us the way children "hate" their siblings.

My father was there in the 1950s... seems like Norwegians were saying things about the Swedes letting the Germans cross their country into Norge...:o

Never have I suggested that Scandinavians are racially superior! :eek:

No, only something about it being scientifically proven that you are larger, more resistant, better built, etc.

Why are all courts clay then? It doesn't make any sense if they are more expensive! :unsure:

Most courts in Spain are actually hard, but serious tennis clubs are clay. Seems if you want a couple of courts in the neighborhood you go for hard which is cheap and doesn´t really need much maintenance, but if you are willing to spend money and effort in tennis you make them clay. Grass of course is more difficult to keep given the weather in most of our country, it would only be feasible in the northwest, but even there it is a rarity. Guess we have a clay tennis culture.

Well, aren't you happy you were born in a developed country? Who isn't?

I maybe glad, but would never use it as an argument when speaking with people from poorer countries. And be frank: you said it at the end of a paragraph where you made fun of Spain, so you meant you were developed, but others not really.

:cool:

Caio_Brasil
06-11-2010, 12:25 PM
What about Alcaide?

What he said.

MariaV
06-11-2010, 12:29 PM
These Estonians, always pandering to Swedes and hoping for a new Karl XIIth !! ;)

Where are you from if I may ask?
Actually these times are always referred here as "the good old Swedish times" :D ;)

They'd be better off, no doubt...

:yeah: I agree. :shrug: Your banks already saved us from the more severe financial crisis. :D :hatoff:

Mjau!
06-11-2010, 12:40 PM
My father was there in the 1950s... seems like Norwegians were saying things about the Swedes letting the Germans cross their country into Norge...:o

We we're a small country with barely any defence forces. What were we supposed to do? Fight them? :scared: Folding like a cheap tent was a ver rational decision that saved the swedish industry from bombardment. Besides, it was 70 years ago. The norwegians need to get over it. :rolleyes:

No, only something about it being scientifically proven that you are larger, more resistant, better built, etc.

I never said that... :rolleyes: You are imagining things.

Most courts in Spain are actually hard, but serious tennis clubs are clay. Seems if you want a couple of courts in the neighborhood you go for hard which is cheap and doesn´t really need much maintenance, but if you are willing to spend money and effort in tennis you make them clay. Grass of course is more difficult to keep given the weather in most of our country, it would only be feasible in the northwest, but even there it is a rarity. Guess we have a clay tennis culture.

So there is a deliberate, uniform focus on clay from the spanish tennis association unrelated to financial means? Seems I was right then.

Well, why would anyone freely chose to build solomente clay courts then? :confused:

Could it be that they realized that focusing on a fringe surface while everyone else were growing up on hard was their best chance to produce slam winners? That makes sense. In fact, it's very clever. Very clever indeed.

I maybe glad, but would never use it as an argument when speaking with people from poorer countries. And be frank: you said it at the end of a paragraph where you made fun of Spain, so you meant you were developed, but others not really.

Oh, that... I was making fun of Jolan Gago for referring to 2 matches as "countless". :D

Action Jackson
06-11-2010, 12:47 PM
We we're a small country with barely any defence forces. What were we supposed to do? Fight them? :scared: Folding like a cheap tent was a ver rational decision that saved the swedish industry from bombardment. Besides, it was 70 years ago. The norwegians need to get over it. :rolleyes:

Revisionism I see. Basically they made money off both sides, but lets forget that.

Are you a member of Sverigedemokraterna?

This thread is actually about Spanish tennis and the only reason Sweden was mentioned initially was used as a reference point to how dominant nations in sport aren't always the same. None of this shit about racial theories, my country is richer than your country nonsense, therefore I am better than you.

Mjau!
06-11-2010, 12:50 PM
Revisionism I see. Basically they made money off both sides, but lets forget that.

Are you a member of Sverigedemokraterna?

This thread is actually about Spanish tennis and the only reason Sweden was mentioned initially was used as a reference point to how dominant nations in sport aren't always the same. None of this shit about racial theories, my country is richer than your country nonsense, therefore I am better than you.

I have no idea what you're talking about... :unsure:

And quit jumping to :silly: assumptions and putting words in my mouth! :(

I am not a member of any political party, I am not perpetuating racial theories and I am not arguing that I'm better than others because my country is rich!

Action Jackson
06-11-2010, 12:53 PM
I have no idea what you're talking about... :unsure:

And quit jumping to :silly: assumptions and putting words in my mouth! :(

So are you a member of SD or not? You're going about Norwegians and Finns which has absolute zero relevance to this thread.

Mjau!
06-11-2010, 12:58 PM
I'm not the one who brought it up!

Action Jackson
06-11-2010, 01:01 PM
I'm not the one who brought it up!

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=10032720&postcount=65

That guy was already addressed and the other stuff onwards was talking about tennis, but you started it again.

peribsen
06-11-2010, 01:04 PM
Could it be that they realized that focusing on a fringe surface while everyone else were growing up on hard was their best chance to produce slam winners? That makes sense. In fact, it's very clever. Very clever indeed.

In fact, it probably just means we were introduced to tennis by the French, not the Anglos. Though our first really great tennis star was a woman who played (and lost) several Wimbledon finals in the 1920s.

Mjau!
06-11-2010, 01:07 PM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=10032720&postcount=65

That guy was already addressed and the other stuff onwards was talking about tennis, but you started it again.

I was merely responding to someone who called me a hater, then you and Per started attacking me with accusations of racism and what not... Which I again responed to...

Mjau!
06-11-2010, 01:12 PM
You're going about Norwegians and Finns which has absolute zero relevance to this thread.

I don´t think many people hate Sweden (well, perhaps Norwegians, maybe Finns... my father was posted in Oslo a couple of years and came back with the feeling Viking-Varengian relations were not exactly warm).

The finns are just jealous while the norwegians like to gloat and feel superior because they are lucky enough to have lots of oil. :rolleyes: They "hate" us the way children "hate" their siblings.

My father was there in the 1950s... seems like Norwegians were saying things about the Swedes letting the Germans cross their country into Norge...:o:

We we're a small country with barely any defence forces. What were we supposed to do? Fight them? :scared: Folding like a cheap tent was a ver rational decision that saved the swedish industry from bombardment. Besides, it was 70 years ago. The norwegians need to get over it. :rolleyes:".

Revisionism I see. Basically they made money off both sides, but lets forget that.

Yeah, I'm the one going on about norwegians and finns. :silly:

Action Jackson
06-11-2010, 01:13 PM
Yeah, I'm the one going on about norwegians and finns. :silly:

Hahaha, nice one quoting stuff out of order.

You could Spanish Army a hater and then started with the nonsense not relevant to this thread.

Har-Tru
06-11-2010, 01:14 PM
Clay is the predominant surface in the vast majority of countries of mainland Europe. For some reason Spain developed a pure clay culture while other countries with an equal clay court predominance (Germany is the best example) didn't so much. The fact that the weather allows all-year-round outdoor play in Spain might have played a role.

It really is an interesting topic. As a child I grew up listening to hardcore classic Spanish tennis fans arguing hard courts (in Spanish pista rápida = fast court) were nothing short of evil and that real tennis is played on grass and, especially, clay. Then there was the other current, who argued variety is a plus for tennis and fast hard and indoor courts have a place too.

Action Jackson
06-11-2010, 01:17 PM
Clay is the predominant surface in the vast majority of countries of mainland Europe. For some reason Spain developed a pure clay culture while other countries with an equal clay court predominance (Germany is the best example) didn't so much. The fact that the weather allows all-year-round outdoor play in Spain might have played a role.

It really is an interesting topic. As a child I grew up listening to hardcore classic Spanish tennis fans arguing hard courts (in Spanish pista rápida = fast court) were nothing short of evil and that real tennis is played on grass and, especially, clay. Then there was the other current, who argued variety is a plus for tennis and fast hard and indoor courts have a place too.

The weather is definitely a thing in favour for the huge amount of clay courts, it's the same in South America as well.

It's definitely better for player development, but the Spanish have been getting good results off the clay for quite sometime in spite of this they are still pigeonholed as clay court players.

Mjau!
06-11-2010, 01:20 PM
Hahaha, nice one quoting stuff out of order.

You could Spanish Army a hater and then started with the nonsense not relevant to this thread.

That is the exact order except for the first one (you saying I'm going on about finns and norwegians) as I was attempting to show how ludicrous that statement was. I did not bring em up. I was merely replying.

I did not start the nonsense at all, you biased bully! Per-Ibsen confronted me and you followed suit! I'm allowed to defend myself aren't I?!? :(

Action Jackson
06-11-2010, 01:21 PM
That is the exact order except for the first one (you saying I'm going on about finns and norwegians) as I was attempting to show how ludicrous that statement was. I did not bring em up. I was merely replying.

I did not start the nonsense at all, you biased bully! Per-Ibsen confronted me and you followed suit! I'm allowed to defend myself aren't I?!? :(

Go back to the cycling theories comedian :wavey:

Har-Tru
06-11-2010, 01:26 PM
The weather is definitely a thing in favour for the huge amount of clay courts, it's the same in South America as well.

It's definitely better for player development, but the Spanish have been getting good results off the clay for quite sometime in spite of this they are still pigeonholed as clay court players.

I still maintain the most impressive feats from a Spanish player outside of clay happened more than 40 years ago when Andrés Gimeno was holding his own (and even sometimes beating them) against Laver and Rosewall and Manolo Santana won the US and Wimbledon on grass, against a very competitive amateur field including players like Drysdale, Stolle, Newcombe, Ralston, Ashe, Pasarell, Roche etc. Bear in mind Spain was a second-world country back then, Santana and Gimeno had to fight his way from the bottom to the top, they didn't have it as easy as Nadal and co. right now.

allpro
06-11-2010, 01:30 PM
That is the exact order except for the first one (you saying I'm going on about finns and norwegians) as I was attempting to show how ludicrous that statement was. I did not bring em up. I was merely replying.

I did not start the nonsense at all, you biased bully! Per-Ibsen confronted me and you followed suit! I'm allowed to defend myself aren't I?!? :(

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Action Jackson
06-11-2010, 01:31 PM
I still maintain the most impressive feats from a Spanish player outside of clay happened more than 40 years ago when Andrés Gimeno was holding his own (and even sometimes beating them) against Laver and Rosewall and Manolo Santana won the US and Wimbledon on grass, against a very competitive amateur field including players like Drysdale, Stolle, Newcombe, Ralston, Ashe, Pasarell, Roche etc. Bear in mind Spain was a second-world country back then, Santana and Gimeno had to fight his way from the bottom to the top, they didn't have it as easy as Nadal and co. right now.

Isn't that always the way that the pioneers tend to be overlooked, but if it wasn't for them then the path wouldn't be as easy now.

peribsen
06-11-2010, 01:34 PM
Seems like I have to come forward and share part of the blame (if there is any blame involved, I frankly don't think so). Mjau likes to clown a bit, but I was goading her.

Just for the record, my name has nothing to do with the wonderful Ibsen, though Scandinavians often think so. It actually is the Seth-name of a pharaoh of the second dynasty (c2700 BC). I'm a history lover and somehow chose it to be my internet name years ago.

peribsen
06-11-2010, 01:39 PM
I still maintain the most impressive feats from a Spanish player outside of clay happened more than 40 years ago when Andrés Gimeno was holding his own (and even sometimes beating them) against Laver and Rosewall and Manolo Santana won the US and Wimbledon on grass, against a very competitive amateur field including players like Drysdale, Stolle, Newcombe, Ralston, Ashe, Pasarell, Roche etc. Bear in mind Spain was a second-world country back then, Santana and Gimeno had to fight his way from the bottom to the top, they didn't have it as easy as Nadal and co. right now.

Very true, they didn´t have the support, the grants nor the high performance training centers Spanish athletes enjoy today. Those guys were true heroes and the odds they faced the stuff of legend.

Har-Tru
06-11-2010, 01:47 PM
Isn't that always the way that the pioneers tend to be overlooked, but if it wasn't for them then the path wouldn't be as easy now.

Indeed.

Unfair.

ShotmaKer
06-11-2010, 03:40 PM
Irony, right? Have you seen him play? How does he play?

Boluda is a midget.

i know. i was yoking, obviously. just youtubed him some times ago to see what the fuss was about. so he's the next Nadal they say.