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Players of the future: Tomic and De Bakker

toby1526
06-09-2010, 05:14 PM
I think both these guys Tomic (17) and De Bakker (21) are gonna be top players withing 2 years. Why does everyone seem to dislike Tomic, he seems like a nice player to watch.

FedererBulgaria
06-09-2010, 05:15 PM
I think both these guys Tomic (17) and De Bakker (21) are gonna be top players withing 2 years. Why does everyone seem to dislike Tomic, he seems like a nice player to watch.


For me Tomic is like Del P...not my cup of tea....i have no idea about Bakker

adee-gee
06-09-2010, 05:16 PM
Why does everyone seem to dislike Tomic, he seems like a nice player to watch.
Because he's an arrogant little prick who struts around like he's won 287 grand slams.

toby1526
06-09-2010, 05:18 PM
Yeah but he is 17 and probably top 100 in ability, he has a great chance of winning a few slams in his career. Maybe it's confidence and not arrogance.

tyruk14
06-09-2010, 05:19 PM
I think people dislike Tomic's attitude more than his style of play. Who does the kid think he is to refuse a practise session with Hewitt? And his father is worse than Jelena Dokic's; and as for the rest of his family, they rule him and his career.

To be quite honest, the kid seems like an arrogant and petulant little man.

As for De Bakker, I have no care for him, but I wish him luck in his career.

njnetswill
06-09-2010, 05:42 PM
Love him or hate him, if Tomic can become a GS contender it would be good for the sport. Australian men's tennis can't rely on Hewitt forever, and it's always good for slam host countries to have contenders at their own tournaments.

misty1
06-09-2010, 05:51 PM
i hate him because he's an arrogant little prick and he demonstrated how much of a brat he is when he threw that fit about having to play late night against cilic at the australian open.

he is young yes but i dont see him changing, i see his ego getting worse

so honestly i dont care how good he can play tennis its never good for the sport when someone with an attitude like his is running around

misty1
06-09-2010, 05:52 PM
Love him or hate him, if Tomic can become a GS contender it would be good for the sport. Australian men's tennis can't rely on Hewitt forever, and it's always good for slam host countries to have contenders at their own tournaments.

i;m not so sure about that, imagine what he'll be like when he gets older and actually starts winning things

madmax
06-09-2010, 05:56 PM
there are more young promising players, who are still under 20 and playing well - Berankis, Del Bonis to name a few. Tomic can be good if he sorts out his attitude and becomes just a bit more humble

misty1
06-09-2010, 06:11 PM
if he loses the ego i could get behind him but i see him being like jelena jankovic and we all know how much a bitch/ego-maniac she is

oranges
06-09-2010, 06:12 PM
Tomic is a twat and Kontinen will have a better career than him. Hope that helps.

Certinfy
06-09-2010, 06:18 PM
Hate Tomic! I honestly think Dimitrov, Kontinen, Krajinovic, Harrison and some other youngers will have a better career than him as well.

As for De Bakker, I also think he'll be a top player fairly soon, has a nice game, just needs to put it together more often that not.

Filo V.
06-09-2010, 07:53 PM
Tomic is a kid, you have to understand that all kids had moments where they acted stupid, and the fact he has so many yes men around him and everyone telling him how great he is, that will get to most children his age. So it's hard to hold a grudge over what a kid whose growing up in the national spotlight in Australia says and does, he makes mistakes, everyone does.

About the game, Tomic can be a top 5/10 guy I think, but De Bakker is overrated to me. Good, but more 13-21 player instead of top 5.

Everko
06-09-2010, 07:56 PM
DeBakker will have a Youznhy career

misty1
06-09-2010, 08:05 PM
Tomic is a kid, you have to understand that all kids had moments where they acted stupid, and the fact he has so many yes men around him and everyone telling him how great he is, that will get to most children his age. So it's hard to hold a grudge over what a kid whose growing up in the national spotlight in Australia says and does, he makes mistakes, everyone does.

About the game, Tomic can be a top 5/10 guy I think, but De Bakker is overrated to me. Good, but more 13-21 player instead of top 5.

like i said i understand tomic is a kid but there are people who never grow up, people that dont change all that much as they go from teen to adult and he just seems like he's going to be one of those people who always has a massive ego/attitiude problem.

Filo V.
06-09-2010, 08:10 PM
like i said i understand tomic is a kid but there are people who never grow up, people that dont change all that much as they go from teen to adult and he just seems like he's going to be one of those people who always has a massive ego/attitiude problem.

That's an assumption. You can't hold things against someone that they haven't done yet or you don't know they will do. That's unfair.

misty1
06-09-2010, 08:31 PM
i never meant for it to sound like i was stating fact thats why i said it seems like he will always have an attitiude.

if im wrong and he loses the attitude and his ego deflates then great because i want to like him.

paseo
06-10-2010, 02:17 AM
Tomic won't be as successful as Hewitt, I even doubt that he'll achieve half of what Hewitt has done. As for De bakker, He's overrated.

njnetswill
06-10-2010, 02:22 AM
Plus a bad boy can be good for the game. McEnroe is the most popular tennis personality here :lol: There will just have to be a quiet, nice guy to be Tomic's rival. :p

Clydey
06-10-2010, 02:40 AM
Tomic won't be anything special on the main tour. Like Monfils, he excelled at junior level because he is a defensive player. Aggressive juniors are inconsistent and are very hit and miss. Most top juniors are consistent players. Unlike attacking players, being consistent from the baseline does not require as much time to develop.

Smoke944
06-10-2010, 02:45 AM
Tomic won't be anything special on the main tour. Like Monfils, he excelled at junior level because he is a defensive player. Aggressive juniors are inconsistent and are very hit and miss. Most top juniors are consistent players. Unlike attacking players, being consistent from the baseline does not require as much time to develop.

This is all very true, but Tomic is much more than your average consistent junior. Considering his similarities to Murray in the way he defends and in general plays from the baseline I'm surprised you don't think this way a little bit.

Kolya
06-10-2010, 02:46 AM
I like de Bakker.

Holland needs someone.

Clydey
06-10-2010, 02:48 AM
This is all very true, but Tomic is much more than your average consistent junior. Considering his similarities to Murray in the way he defends I'm surprised you don't think this way a little bit.

I don't think he has nearly as much to his game as Murray. The similarities are pretty superficial, as far as I'm concerned. There's a lot more to Murray's game than not feeding his opponent a lot of pace. Another big difference is that Tomic doesn't move nearly as well as Andy.

andy neyer
06-10-2010, 02:51 AM
I like Tomic's attitude because it's an asshole-like attitude.

The ATP needs more guys like him. I sick of all these PC players we have nowadays.

Smoke944
06-10-2010, 02:57 AM
I don't think he has nearly as much to his game as Murray. The similarities are pretty superficial, as far as I'm concerned. There's a lot more to Murray's game than not feeding his opponent a lot of pace. Another big difference is that Tomic doesn't move nearly as well as Andy.

The most important point you made is obviously about Tomic's movement. And yeah, even when he maximizes that area of his game it won't be good. He's simply not that agile. But he, like Murray, defends very well through anticipation and taking pace off the ball. Also, his backhand will be very good in the future. And with his big frame his serve could be a weapon down the road. Time will tell, but I think in the end will be a very good player.

Clydey
06-10-2010, 03:03 AM
The most important point you made is obviously about Tomic's movement. And yeah, even when he maximizes that area of his game it won't be good. He's simply not that agile. But he, like Murray, defends very well through anticipation and taking pace off the ball. Also, his backhand will be very good in the future. And with his big frame his serve could be a weapon down the road. Time will tell, but I think in the end will be a very good player.

Not so sure about his serve. From what I remember, it's a bit Nadal-like. Generating a lot of power may be an issue.

He does anticipate well, though.

jmf07
06-10-2010, 05:39 AM
Itís good to have players on the tour who arenít PC but the Tomic clan are disgraceful. As a young kid they had a poor reputation. As Tomic got older a lot of people thought it would change but in reality it hasnít and as he has gained more and more attention the Tomicís have become worse. Tomic had arguments with Verryth in juniors, he gets invited to DC practice for the first time in Chile and chucks a tantrum and has a go at Luczak (one of the nicest guys on tour) because Luczak beat him in a practice match. Then he has a spat with Lleyton. Sure he can pick and choose with who he wants to practice with but the way in which Tomic did it was funny by jumping from excuse to excuse. When one excuse didnít work hang on this was actually the reason why I couldnít practice with Lleyton. Then Senior Tomic says Tomic doesnít get selected in DC because he wasnít born in Australia and accuses the selectors of racism even though Luczak and Ball were born overseas. Of course he complains about being made to play late at night and Daddy helps out by having an argument with the one of the main people of Tennis Australia, Craig Tilley in which people were forced to intervene. Tennis Australiaís reaction to this is selecting Tomic in their next DC team and not only that but giving him one of the singles birth. And the year before Tomic walks off the court in the middle of a match and says the tournament draws are rigged against him (funny when you look at the draws he gets). A complaint is made to the police about the behavior of one of the parents which was most likely him. His punishment two months later for an offence that got him banned for three months by the ITF is Wildcards into Brisbane and the Australian Open.

Then another great event was when it emerged that Tennis Australia had covered up an event where John Tomic had road rage one time lost control of the car and nearly collected a powerpole with two other coaches and another player inside. Who knows what else Tennis Australia have covered up for the Tomics. It was reported to police but how strange that no one has been able to find out what the result of it was.

Then you have comments from John Newcombe at the start of the year who said Tomic went through five coaches in the space of 18 months. Then the Tomicís complain they donít get enough funding from Tennis Australia even though Tomic is managed by IMG and he receives funding from Tennis Australia (I think itís $120,000 a year) compared to other juniors like Brendan Mckenzie who says a few things and gets kicked out of the entire Tennis Australia system.

Bargearse
06-10-2010, 07:19 AM
When Australian Open schedulers allowed Tomic to play the night match on Rod Laver against Muller a couple of years ago, I was furious.:mad: Doing things like that to a young player can give them the illusion they are better than they are & this clown has been on a high horse ever since. Tomic was barely worthy of an outside court back then and hasn't even moved up to the level of show court. Attitude wise, he reminds me of what Martina Hingis was like at the same age, only she had the goods & results to back up her petulant arrogance.

I don't know much about De Bakker but I'd say he'll be more successful than Tomic.

born_on_clay
06-10-2010, 08:05 AM
I really hope Bernard will start to make his breakthrough next year

petar_pan
06-10-2010, 08:24 AM
because of that arrogance/self-confidence on the court he will be the best of youngers

btw, did anybody of you hear how he acts to his fans? i did. he is so polite and welcome. ok, that was in croatia, he was more polite because he is in his homeland but that is a good boy

ossie
06-10-2010, 09:20 AM
Itís good to have players on the tour who arenít PC but the Tomic clan are disgraceful. As a young kid they had a poor reputation. As Tomic got older a lot of people thought it would change but in reality it hasnít and as he has gained more and more attention the Tomicís have become worse. Tomic had arguments with Verryth in juniors, he gets invited to DC practice for the first time in Chile and chucks a tantrum and has a go at Luczak (one of the nicest guys on tour) because Luczak beat him in a practice match. Then he has a spat with Lleyton. Sure he can pick and choose with who he wants to practice with but the way in which Tomic did it was funny by jumping from excuse to excuse. When one excuse didnít work hang on this was actually the reason why I couldnít practice with Lleyton. Then Senior Tomic says Tomic doesnít get selected in DC because he wasnít born in Australia and accuses the selectors of racism even though Luczak and Ball were born overseas. Of course he complains about being made to play late at night and Daddy helps out by having an argument with the one of the main people of Tennis Australia, Craig Tilley in which people were forced to intervene. Tennis Australiaís reaction to this is selecting Tomic in their next DC team and not only that but giving him one of the singles birth. And the year before Tomic walks off the court in the middle of a match and says the tournament draws are rigged against him (funny when you look at the draws he gets). A complaint is made to the police about the behavior of one of the parents which was most likely him. His punishment two months later for an offence that got him banned for three months by the ITF is Wildcards into Brisbane and the Australian Open.

Then another great event was when it emerged that Tennis Australia had covered up an event where John Tomic had road rage one time lost control of the car and nearly collected a powerpole with two other coaches and another player inside. Who knows what else Tennis Australia have covered up for the Tomics. It was reported to police but how strange that no one has been able to find out what the result of it was.

Then you have comments from John Newcombe at the start of the year who said Tomic went through five coaches in the space of 18 months. Then the Tomicís complain they donít get enough funding from Tennis Australia even though Tomic is managed by IMG and he receives funding from Tennis Australia (I think itís $120,000 a year) compared to other juniors like Brendan Mckenzie who says a few things and gets kicked out of the entire Tennis Australia system.tomic is never going to amount to shit as a tennis player but you gotta love the tomic clan theyre great comic relief :haha:

Guy Haines
06-10-2010, 04:55 PM
This thread's a good read.

I prefer De Bakker to Tomic.

I like Dolgopolov Jr. and Berankis more than both.

Of the overhyped young twosome, I like Dimitrov much more than Tomic, but Dimitrov is a mess.

Everko
06-10-2010, 04:56 PM
Harrison and Krajinovic seem to be more steady than Dimitrov or Tomic

NyGeL
06-10-2010, 05:03 PM
Federer was also a little prick when he was younger.

peribsen
06-10-2010, 06:42 PM
I like Tomic's attitude because it's an asshole-like attitude.

The ATP needs more guys like him. I sick of all these PC players we have nowadays.

I think you've got a point there!

Too many McEnroes and the circuit becomes a circus, but not a single McEnroe makes it a bit drab.

adee-gee
06-11-2010, 12:32 AM
Federer was also a little prick when he was younger.
Yeah, and he turned into a big prick as he got older :D

Getta
06-11-2010, 12:54 AM
what a freaking accurate cue, the finish was awesome to say the least.

opeth84
06-11-2010, 02:42 AM
Not a fan of Bernard or the rest of the Tomic clan due to many of there actions the past couple of years. But i do think to be at the top of the game you do have to be very confident in your abilities even to the extent it may come off as arrogant.

I mean look at Djokovic in 2007/early 2008, he was talking himself up big and was getting the results. The last couple of years though he has toned himself down alot an he has really lost alot of that confidence he had.

Tutu
06-11-2010, 03:26 AM
Tomic is an asshole and he's overrated.

watchdogfish
06-11-2010, 12:37 PM
Tomic needs to hit with more power imo. Just from watching him play on Wednesday, I got the feeling if he was playing one of the top guys he'd have been gobbled up for lunch. It was like watching a practice match. And yeah he has a bit of a cocky attitude but he wasn't a patch on Malisse! :lol:

toby1526
06-11-2010, 02:21 PM
I like Tomic's attitude because it's an asshole-like attitude.

The ATP needs more guys like him. I sick of all these PC players we have nowadays.

Agreed! Tomic nearly got into the 3rd round at aussie open but lost in a 5 setter to cilic (world number 12 now) and he is only 17, that is rediculous. He is hugely talented and I think he is gonna win loads of slams. As for De Bakker a Youzny career is bit stingy.

oranges
06-11-2010, 02:29 PM
^^ Talk about overhype mode at warp 10 and climbing.