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Top 10 grass court players of the modern era

Selby
06-08-2010, 08:56 PM
I personally am too young to judge or rate, I've never seen tennis before 2001, but I'd like to hear what some of the tennis fans here that the first Wimbledon they've watched goes back to the 80's think.
The thing for me about this list is that IMO in order to be in it a player must be the right combination of a really good player in general and a grass court specialist. I mean, if a player has done well on grass and yet grass was his weakest surface or even one of his weakest surfaces then I don't think he should be on this list. And on the other hand, even if for another player grass is by far the best surface and he got much better results on it than on any other surface and yet those results were still not world class then he too should not be on this list.
Obviously grass performance out of Wimbledon has it's importance too.
I don't want it to be just a statistical ranking because I could do it too.
The list doesn't have to be in any order if you think it would be easier to rank that way.
Thanks for Answering.

kobulingam
06-08-2010, 09:06 PM
Federer
Nadal
Roddick
...

Henry Kaspar
06-08-2010, 09:07 PM
Something like:

1 Federer
2 Sampras
3 McEnroe
4 Becker
5 Edberg
6 Ivanisevic
7 Nadal
8 Agassi
9 Lendl
10 Stich or Rafter

Now you said things should start with the 1980s, hence I did not include Laver, Borg, Connors, Newcombe, Smith etc.

Luinir
06-08-2010, 09:08 PM
1 Federer
2 Sampras
3 McEnroe
4 Becker
5 Edberg
6 Lendl
7 Ivanisevic
8 Rafter
9 Stich
10 Nadal

Doc14
06-08-2010, 09:09 PM
Federer
Sampras
Roddick
Hewitt
Ivanisevic
Haas
Nadal
Agassi
Murray
Bjorkman.....this might be the list of the best grasscourt players:)

Selby
06-08-2010, 09:11 PM
Now you set things should start with the 1980s, hence I did not include Laver, Borg, Connors, Newcombe, Smith etc.
No no I didn't say that, obviously Legends from the seventies like you mentioned should be there.

Sophocles
06-08-2010, 09:14 PM
If you mean of the Open Era, you want Laver, Newcombe, Connors, Borg, McEnroe, Edberg, Becker, Sampras, Federer, & one other - maybe Rosewall, Smith, or Ivanisevic.

samanosuke
06-08-2010, 09:16 PM
1 Federer
2 Sampras
3 McEnroe
4 Becker
5 Edberg
6 Lendl
7 Ivanisevic
8 Rafter
9 Stich
10 Nadal

:spit:

Har-Tru
06-08-2010, 09:21 PM
Sampras
Federer
McEnroe
Becker
Edberg
Ivanisevic
Nadal
Agassi
Stich
Hewitt or Roddick

ApproachShot
06-08-2010, 09:28 PM
It's a bit difficult to say as a lot less of the tour is played on grass than was previously. This is entirely subjective and doesn't necessarily follow the total number of Wimbledon titles won but has a strong correlation to it:

1 Federer
2 Sampras
3 Borg
4 McEnroe
5 Becker
6 Edberg
7 Nadal
8 Connors
9 Ivanisevic
10 Roddick

Laver, Rosewall and Newcombe would have been in my top 10 had they played their entire careers in the Open Era.

Also honourable onourable mentions to Roche, Smith, Agassi, Hewitt, Stich and Rafter

Henry Kaspar
06-08-2010, 09:31 PM
No no I didn't say that, obviously Legends from the seventies like you mentioned should be there.

This makes it hard because prior to the 80s racket technology and hence the game was so different...But among players with major successes in the open era the ordering would perhaps be:

1 Federer
2 Sampras
3 Laver (any order between these 3 is OK)
4 Borg
5 McEnroe
6 Rosewall
7 Newcombe
8 Becker
9 Edberg
10 Connors

Rosewall is hard to fit in, his best period was arguably well before the open era.

TheBoiledEgg
06-08-2010, 09:33 PM
should be two lists

one for grass and other for clayish grass

Johnny Groove
06-08-2010, 09:41 PM
Open Era at Wimbledon:

1. Pete Sampras- 7 titles
2. Roger Federer- 6 titles, 1 final
3. Bjorn Borg- 5 titles, 1 final
4. Boris Becker- 3 titles, 3 finals
5. John McEnroe- 3 titles, 2 finals
6. Jimmy Connors- 2 titles, 4 finals
7. Stefan Edberg- 2 titles, 2 finals
8. John Newcombe- 2 titles, 1 final
9. Rod Laver- 2 titles
10. Goran Ivanisevic- 1 title, 3 finals

Selby
06-08-2010, 09:43 PM
should be two lists

one for grass and other for clayish grass

meh, clayish grass started just in recent years

samanosuke
06-08-2010, 09:44 PM
should be two lists

one for grass and other for clayish grass

+1

superslam77
06-08-2010, 09:46 PM
Open Era at Wimbledon:

1. Pete Sampras- 7 titles
2. Roger Federer- 6 titles, 1 final
3. Bjorn Borg- 5 titles, 1 final
4. Boris Becker- 3 titles, 3 finals
5. John McEnroe- 3 titles, 2 finals
6. Jimmy Connors- 2 titles, 4 finals
7. Stefan Edberg- 2 titles, 2 finals
8. John Newcombe- 2 titles, 1 final
9. Rod Laver- 2 titles
10. Goran Ivanisevic- 1 title, 3 finals

+1

TheBoiledEgg
06-08-2010, 09:48 PM
Open Era at Wimbledon:

1. Pete Sampras- 7 titles
2. Roger Federer- 6 titles, 1 final
3. Bjorn Borg- 5 titles, 1 final
4. Boris Becker- 3 titles, 3 finals
5. John McEnroe- 3 titles, 2 finals
6. Jimmy Connors- 2 titles, 4 finals
7. Stefan Edberg- 2 titles, 2 finals
8. John Newcombe- 2 titles, 1 final
9. Rod Laver- 2 titles
10. Goran Ivanisevic- 1 title, 3 finals


Edberg has 4 grass slam titles :wavey:

Johnny Groove
06-08-2010, 09:55 PM
Edberg has 4 grass slam titles :wavey:

Yep, he did win the AO in '85 and '87, when it was still played on grass.

So Edberg should be up to #4.

Connors also won the USO in '74, AO in '74 and lost the final in '75.

Newcombe won 2 AO's, '73 and '75, and the USO in '73 and Rod Laver won the AO in '69 and the USO in '69.

All on grass.

ChuckNorrisFan
06-08-2010, 10:01 PM
Laver has 4 on grass too. Newcombe has 5.

Henry Kaspar
06-08-2010, 10:03 PM
Laver has 4 on grass too

And it is of couse artificial to cut his open-era career off the pre-open era.

Pure title across eras and circumstances counting rarely results in sensible lists.

FedFan
06-08-2010, 10:22 PM
Top five Open Aera:

1) Sampras
2) Federer
3) Borg
4) Mc Enroe
5) Becker

Mjau!
06-08-2010, 10:27 PM
1. Sampras
2. Federer
3. Edberg
4. McEnroe
5. Becker
6. Wilander
7. Ivanisevic
8. Agassi
9. Roddick
10. Stich

Har-Tru
06-08-2010, 10:36 PM
1. Sampras
2. Federer
3. Edberg
4. McEnroe
5. Becker
6. Wilander
7. Ivanisevic
8. Agassi
9. Roddick
10. Stich

:haha:

Take the Swedish flag out of your ass already.

peribsen
06-08-2010, 10:39 PM
To those people who include Nadal: Hold your horses, I don´t think Nadal deserves to be on a list of top 10 grass courters, at least not for the time being. When (if) he wins his third Wimby, I´ll start thinking otherwise, but not so soon!!

For the time being, he is nr 2 on clay, second only to the great god Borg himself. More than enough at his age.

Har-Tru
06-08-2010, 11:01 PM
To those people who include Nadal: Hold your horses, I don´t think Nadal deserves to be on a list of top 10 grass courters, at least not for the time being. When (if) he wins his third Wimby, I´ll start thinking otherwise, but not so soon!!

For the time being, he is nr 2 on clay, second only to the great god Borg himself. More than enough at his age.

For the record, my list is 80s-now.

Mjau!
06-08-2010, 11:03 PM
:haha:

Take the Swedish flag out of your ass already.

:( Reported.

Stefán has more grass slams than everyone but Petros & Federer and holds a winning record over Becker at Wimbledon.

borracho
06-08-2010, 11:21 PM
Edberg should be high in the list, if only for his style.

Sophocles
06-08-2010, 11:28 PM
Yep, he did win the AO in '85 and '87, when it was still played on grass.

So Edberg should be up to #4.

Connors also won the USO in '74, AO in '74 and lost the final in '75.

Newcombe won 2 AO's, '73 and '75, and the USO in '73 and Rod Laver won the AO in '69 and the USO in '69.

All on grass.

Indeed. Rosewall won at least 2 slams on grass in the Open Era as well.

All time, I guess it would be Tilden, Budge, Kramer, Gonzales, Rosewall, Laver, Borg, McEnroe, Sampras, Federer. Any of Connors, Newcombe, Perry, Becker, or Edberg could arguably replace McEnroe or Kramer.

Sophocles
06-08-2010, 11:29 PM
Stefán has more grass slams than everyone but Petros & Federer

Borg?

JanKowalski
06-08-2010, 11:31 PM
Can anyone who says McEnroe is better than Becker on grass care to explain why.

Har-Tru
06-08-2010, 11:49 PM
:( Reported.

YOU are reporting me? :lol:

borracho
06-08-2010, 11:52 PM
McEnroe was more of a touch player, Becker had more power. Matter of taste I think.

rocketassist
06-08-2010, 11:59 PM
1 Sampras
2 Federer
3 Borg
4 Becker
5 McEnroe
6 Connors
7 Laver
8 Edberg
9 Ivanisevic
10 Newcombe

Mjau!
06-09-2010, 12:10 AM
Borg?

80's cutoff.

YOU are reporting me? :lol:

What makes you laugh? I have never insulted you in any way.

Fed=ATPTourkilla
06-09-2010, 12:57 AM
Open Era at Wimbledon:

1. Pete Sampras- 7 titles
2. Roger Federer- 6 titles, 1 final
3. Bjorn Borg- 5 titles, 1 final
4. Boris Becker- 3 titles, 3 finals
5. John McEnroe- 3 titles, 2 finals
6. Jimmy Connors- 2 titles, 4 finals
7. Stefan Edberg- 2 titles, 2 finals
8. John Newcombe- 2 titles, 1 final
9. Rod Laver- 2 titles
10. Goran Ivanisevic- 1 title, 3 finals

+1

thrust
06-09-2010, 01:07 AM
Laver has 4 on grass too. Newcombe has 5.

Laver: 4 Wimbledons, 3 Australian, 2 US = 9 Grass Slam titles

Rosewall: 4 Australian, 2 US = 6 Grass Slam titles plus 4 Wimbledon finals, 1 at 18, another at 39

Laver and Rosewall won their grass Slams in eras when there were several great grass court players. The Sampras era also had a few great grass court players. Laver lost 5 years of Slam competition, Rosewall lost 11 years of Slam competition. Rosewall won his firs Australian in 1953, his last in 72. Federer had no great grass court competion. Roddick had the serve for grass, but was never a great volleyer. Nadal only played well on grass for three years, but is not a typical great grass court player. Agassi, in his prime, would beat Nadal on grass as he would pin Rafa behind the baseline for most of the match. The greatest grass courters are: Laver, Rosewall, Sampras, Federer. Newcombe, Edberg, Becker- pretty much in that order.

CyBorg
06-09-2010, 01:26 AM
Open era-wise, I would probably rate them like this. Keep in mind though that I'm rating guys based on their full career indicators rather than just open era indicators. But the included guys are all from the open era.

I excluded players who did not win majors in the open era, such as Emerson and Gonzales.

1. Laver - he's the greatest player of all time and most decorated on grass
2. Sampras - can't get over 7 Wimbledons in 8 years, although Federer is closing in
3. Feds - all of these consecutive Wimby finals is quite amazing
4. Borg - never got a chance to see how he would have done beyond 1981, after six consecutive Wimby finals
5. Rosewall - has elite grasscourt results, but circumstances prevented a Wimbledon triumph - best on clay and fast indoor surfaces
6. McEnroe - untouchable when on; some inconsistencies in his career though
7. Newcombe - got to three Wimby finals in a row; would have probably won in '72 as well, had he been there (no offense to Stan Smith); his us open win was also on grass.
8. Edberg - two Wimbledons and two Aussies on grass .. had perfect tools, smarts for grass
9. Becker - i prefer Edberg, but Boris was a great fighter
10. Jimbo - could have won in '75 if he had taken Ashe more seriously, but overachieved numerous times as well - including '82 and '84.

7-9 is pretty close and interchangeable, depending on the argument. IMO, there's some distance between Mac and Newcombe.

JanKowalski
06-09-2010, 01:28 AM
Laver: 4 Wimbledons, 3 Australian, 2 US = 9 Grass Slam titles

Rosewall: 4 Australian, 2 US = 6 Grass Slam titles plus 4 Wimbledon finals, 1 at 18, another at 39

Laver and Rosewall won their grass Slams in eras when there were several great grass court players. The Sampras era also had a few great grass court players. Laver lost 5 years of Slam competition, Rosewall lost 11 years of Slam competition. Rosewall won his firs Australian in 1953, his last in 72. Federer had no great grass court competion. Roddick had the serve for grass, but was never a great volleyer. Nadal only played well on grass for three years, but is not a typical great grass court player. Agassi, in his prime, would beat Nadal on grass as he would pin Rafa behind the baseline for most of the match. The greatest grass courters are: Laver, Rosewall, Sampras, Federer. Newcombe, Edberg, Becker- pretty much in that order.

Saying that Laver is better on grass than Federer because Laver has 9 slams on grass is silly. If Australian Open and US Open were played on grass now, Federer would probably have 15 grass slams.

Mjau!
06-09-2010, 01:29 AM
CyBorg refusing to play by the rules. *sigh* What a rebel!

CyBorg
06-09-2010, 01:32 AM
CyBorg refusing to play by the rules. *sigh* What a rebel!

I'm not sure if you're referring to OP's post. I read it and it was a bit incoherent.

Mjau!
06-09-2010, 01:38 AM
I'm not sure if you're referring to OP's post. I read it and it was a bit incoherent.

I trust that Henry Kaspar was truthful when asserting that he managed to decipher it.

Sophocles
06-09-2010, 01:00 PM
Can anyone who says McEnroe is better than Becker on grass care to explain why.

Yes, I see what you mean, Becker's record is better, but I'd contend that McEnroe faced even stiffer competition & at his very best, played the best grass-court tennis we have ever seen. This is clearly open to debate, though.

petar_pan
06-09-2010, 01:16 PM
Yep, he did win the AO in '85 and '87, when it was still played on grass.

So Edberg should be up to #4.

Connors also won the USO in '74, AO in '74 and lost the final in '75.

Newcombe won 2 AO's, '73 and '75, and the USO in '73 and Rod Laver won the AO in '69 and the USO in '69.

All on grass.

it means that goran has palyed in 80's he would have even more GS titles and finals.

careergrandslam
06-09-2010, 01:22 PM
Open era-wise, I would probably rate them like this. Keep in mind though that I'm rating guys based on their full career indicators rather than just open era indicators. But the included guys are all from the open era.

I excluded players who did not win majors in the open era, such as Emerson and Gonzales.

1. Laver - he's the greatest player of all time and most decorated on grass
2. Sampras - can't get over 7 Wimbledons in 8 years, although Federer is closing in
3. Feds - all of these consecutive Wimby finals is quite amazing
4. Borg - never got a chance to see how he would have done beyond 1981, after six consecutive Wimby finals
5. Rosewall - has elite grasscourt results, but circumstances prevented a Wimbledon triumph - best on clay and fast indoor surfaces
6. McEnroe - untouchable when on; some inconsistencies in his career though
7. Newcombe - got to three Wimby finals in a row; would have probably won in '72 as well, had he been there (no offense to Stan Smith); his us open win was also on grass.
8. Edberg - two Wimbledons and two Aussies on grass .. had perfect tools, smarts for grass
9. Becker - i prefer Edberg, but Boris was a great fighter
10. Jimbo - could have won in '75 if he had taken Ashe more seriously, but overachieved numerous times as well - including '82 and '84.

7-9 is pretty close and interchangeable, depending on the argument. IMO, there's some distance between Mac and Newcombe.

:haha:

what a joke!
obviously a noob to tennis.

Björki
06-09-2010, 01:23 PM
Federer
Sampras
Roddick
Hewitt
Ivanisevic
Haas
Nadal
Agassi
Murray
Bjorkman.....this might be the list of the best grasscourt players:)

how old are you? Have you ever heard about Boris Becker and Edberg? :p

Orka_n
06-09-2010, 01:46 PM
how old are you? Have you ever heard about Boris Becker and Edberg? :pOr Laver, or Borg... :p
What's Hewitt, Haas, Murray & Nadal doing there... actually, the whole list is just nonsense except for like 3 names. Björkman is even on it :spit: Jonas is hilarious but come on.

Sophocles
06-09-2010, 01:52 PM
:haha:

what a joke!
obviously a noob to tennis.

Eh? It's a very good list.

Puschkin
06-09-2010, 01:53 PM
I personally am too young to judge or rate, I've never seen tennis before 2001...
You really missed something. Edberg-Becker is :hatoff: if you like grass tennis as it was played then. Nadal-Federer is :zzz: compared to that.

careergrandslam
06-09-2010, 02:07 PM
You really missed something. Edberg-Becker is :hatoff: if you like grass tennis as it was played then. Nadal-Federer is :zzz: compared to that.

edberg-becker was useless.
2 unathletic clowns rushing to the net is not my idea of great tennis.
sorry!

federer-nadal finals are the best finals ever.
the drama, the talent, the skill, the tactics, baseline matchup, net play matchup, contrasting shotmaking, etc.
so many differnt aspects to federer-nadal matches.
thats why people watch it, even people that dont follow tennis always watch federer vs nadal matches.

Puschkin
06-09-2010, 02:18 PM
federer-nadal finals are the best finals ever.

Is this really your view or don't you know anything else?:)

If you read my post carefully, I had added that Edberg-Becker matches were a treat for those who liked the grass court tennis of the 80ies. It makes me laugh when some people here put Nadal into the TOP Ten grass court players. This just underlines that they never experienced what grass court tennis once was. And I am not at all a Nadal-hater. ;)

thrust
06-09-2010, 02:21 PM
Saying that Laver is better on grass than Federer because Laver has 9 slams on grass is silly. If Australian Open and US Open were played on grass now, Federer would probably have 15 grass slams.

We are not talking theory here, but results and facts. The fact is that Laver has more grass court slam titles than Federer, whether you like that FACT or not.

JuliC
06-09-2010, 02:25 PM
Or Laver, or Borg... :p
What's Hewitt, Haas, Murray & Nadal doing there... actually, the whole list is just nonsense except for like 3 names. Björkman is even on it :spit: Jonas is hilarious but come on.

I don't think Lleyton is such a bad pick :shrug: he won Wimbledon, 4 Queens titles, Rosmalen and the Davis Cup as well. He just had bad luck with the draw, playing Federer 3 times at Wimbledon: semi, quarter and 4th round.

Henry Kaspar
06-09-2010, 02:38 PM
I trust that Henry Kaspar was truthful when asserting that he managed to decipher it.

Actually if you scroll back up I made two lists, one from 1981 and one covering all players active in the open era. The open era list is a fairly close cousin of CyBorg's

From 80s:

1 Federer
2 Sampras
3 McEnroe
4 Becker
5 Edberg
6 Ivanisevic
7 Nadal
8 Agassi
9 Lendl
10 Stich or Rafter

Open era:

1 Federer
2 Sampras
3 Laver (any order between these 3 is OK)
4 Borg
5 McEnroe
6 Rosewall
7 Newcombe
8 Becker
9 Edberg
10 Connors