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Nadal wants a service like Andy Murray's

paseo
06-08-2010, 01:13 PM
Rafael Nadal, who will be the new world No 1 if he wins the French Open final today, has tried to incorporate aspects of Andy Murray's service action into his game.

His coach since childhood, his uncle Toni, explained for the first time how the player bidding this afternoon to win his fifth French Open title in six years - and seventh major title in total - has studied tapes of the British No 1.

'Murray has a good, easy action,' said Toni, ahead of the final against Sweden's Robin Soderling.'I see something in his style that I like, especially the way he moves his wrist at the point of impact.'

But the Nadals have had problems replicating Murray's motion. While Rafa plays tennis left-handed, he is naturally right-handed and has found it hard to be consistent when he tries to serve like the Scot, who will be joined by the Spaniard in the top half of the draw in London this week when the British No 1 defends his Aegon title at Queen's Club.

'One day, Rafa is good with this serve, the next he is not so good!' said Toni, whose nephew has made the final without losing a set. 'It is hard for him to get that twist with his left wrist.'

Even though Murray squandered an opportunity to progress deep into the second week of the French Open, with a troubled performance against Tomas Berdych last Sunday, the Nadals fully expect the 23-year-old Briton to be a serious contender at Queen's and then at Wimbledon.

'Murray is getting better every year and he will be one of the strong favourites at Wimbledon,' said Toni. 'For us, Wimbledon is the No 1 tournament in the world and it hurt very much for us not to be able to play there last year. To be coming back means everything.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-1284318/Rafael-Nadal-wants-service-like-Andy-Murrays.html#ixzz0qGMQwBhG


Murray has a low 1st serve %, and a below average 2nd. I just don't get this Nadal.

careergrandslam
06-08-2010, 01:40 PM
Murray has a low 1st serve %, and a below average 2nd. I just don't get this Nadal.

anything is better than the mug serve he has now.
although i must say it has improved the past few months.

nadal served 7 aces and soderling served 7 aces in the final.
his serve was crucial in big moments in the final.

yes i think murray serve would be good and also federer serve to imitate.

lazybear
06-08-2010, 01:43 PM
anything also federer serve to imitate.

Yeah, i think every player should do that. :D (What the heck is this skype thing? It wants to call the number when i want to edit the post, lol)

angry1
06-08-2010, 01:49 PM
Murray has a low 1st serve %, and a below average 2nd. I just don't get this Nadal.

Until I saw the quotes from his camp I assumed it was rubbish too.

I would guess it's just the 1st serve he's trying to take elements of,his 2nd is IMO more effective by far.Murray's 1st serve is one of the most impressive looking shots when on,that isn't actually all that good.

By the sound of this bit he's already copying elements of Murray's serve well-

"One day, Rafa is good with this serve, the next he is not so good!'

If Murray had Rafa's focus and intensity his 1st serve might be better than Rafa's.He would still have a lower 1st serve% but without the massive dips he currently has.Just the shot itself not his success including subsequent rally.

Selby
06-08-2010, 01:54 PM
Nadal's serve is overall better than Murray's IMO.
Sure, Murray's 1st serves is much better, but it doesn't matter if he only puts it in less than 50% and he almost never puts his 1st serves in in the big points, unlike Nadal.

Matt_2745
06-08-2010, 01:56 PM
There is another article on it here:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/article7144937.ece

rocketassist
06-08-2010, 01:58 PM
Nadal's serve is overall better than Murray's IMO.
Sure, Murray's 1st serves is much better, but it doesn't matter if he only puts it in less than 50% and he almost never puts his 1st serves in in the big points, unlike Nadal.

No. Nadal rolls it in a lot of the time. The best serves are the ones that get cheap points. On grass last year, Murray was serving great bar the Wawrinka match.

Lopez
06-08-2010, 02:01 PM
Nadal probably wants to generate more pace by copying some elements of Murray's serve.

Murray can generate huge pace at times.

Problem is that he serves so flat, that's what creates the difficulties with the second delivery. Suddenly he has to serve differently. Also destroyes his first serve percentage most of the time.

laurie-1
06-09-2010, 09:40 AM
Hmmm....Murray is a strange choice in my opinion.

Perhaps its the Spanish connection as they've known Murray for a long time?

Lopez called it correctly, Murray hits the ball too flat on the 1st serve, anything flat can never be a reliable delivery - never.

And as for the 2nd serve, I wouldn't touch Murray's with a barge pole - a very average 2nd serve delivery in the top 10 due to constant lack of pace and the fact its easily attackable and often drops in the middle of the box.

Does anyone remember Wimbledon 2008?

During a match against Haas in the 3rd rd, the analyst Jason Goody showed videos that Murray was attempting to replicate the Sampras serve, they showed videos of both men.

Co-commentator McEnroe said immediatley afterwards, "what about Murray's 2nd serve? that's the serve he should really be working on". Sampras had one of the best in the business so Murray should have been working on getting his 2nd serves deep if it is going to be relatively slow.

Anyway, back to Nadal. At least he's willing to look at other contemporary players - that's a good sign.

gjr
06-09-2010, 10:33 AM
I have to be slightly worried when I read this sort of stuff.

Nole has tried to change his serve recently and it's been a complete disaster.

Murrays first serve when it's in is a exceptional weapon but he dips under 50% in most of his matches of late. As people have said Murrays 2nd serve is the worst of the big boys by miles. How would trying to learn a new action for 1st serves and then reverting back to your own 2nd serve style work? I have no idea.

Rafa is back. Unless he's thinking he can't play long term unless he starts to shorten points I'm mystified has to why he would change his serving action.

careergrandslam
06-09-2010, 12:57 PM
I have to be slightly worried when I read this sort of stuff.

Nole has tried to change his serve recently and it's been a complete disaster.

Murrays first serve when it's in is a exceptional weapon but he dips under 50% in most of his matches of late. As people have said Murrays 2nd serve is the worst of the big boys by miles. How would trying to learn a new action for 1st serves and then reverting back to your own 2nd serve style work? I have no idea.

Rafa is back. Unless he's thinking he can't play long term unless he starts to shorten points I'm mystified has to why he would change his serving action.

no rafa needs to get a bigger serve that gets aces or service winners.
especially in faster courts he needs it.

he doesnt go for the corners, its always a few inches away from the corners which gives his opponents the time to return it.
his fastest serve is around 200km/h, he needs to get that up tp 210km/h and be more accurate with it by going for the corners bit more often rather than middle of the box.

he needs to increase his average 1st serve speed aswell as his average 2nd serve speed.

his serve is the worst out of the top 10.
he has to work so hard on his service games, now how is he going to do that when he becomes a bit older and his running speed slows down.

coonster14
06-09-2010, 01:34 PM
Rafa needs a bigger serve for sure, he has to work his butt off in his service games, needs to get a serve that will get him some more cheap points, especially if he is to win the one major that still eludes him to this day: US Open.

Johnny Groove
06-09-2010, 01:39 PM
Rafa is already thinking about the hard court season.

If he can serve bigger (which he can, I've seen him hit 130+ mphs on occasion), then he'll get some cheap points on a hard court, which would really help him avoid the long rallies that are shredding his body.

BackhandMissile
06-09-2010, 01:43 PM
Out of all people they want to copy Murrays serve :lol:

Sometimes I wonder if Uncle Toni and Rafa release these statements just to have a laugh the next morning when they appear in the papers.

careergrandslam
06-09-2010, 01:51 PM
Out of all people they want to copy Murrays serve :lol:

Sometimes I wonder if Uncle Toni and Rafa release these statements just to have a laugh the next morning when they appear in the papers.

oh so u federer fans want nadal to follow ur golden boy federina at everything?

how dare nadal copy anything that is not from the ballet dancer.

how dare he even disrespect the immortal one by copying a mug like murray.

:rolleyes:

Puschkin
06-09-2010, 01:57 PM
Out of all people they want to copy Murrays serve :lol:

Sometimes I wonder if Uncle Toni and Rafa release these statements just to have a laugh the next morning when they appear in the papers.

My thoughts exactly.

Priam
06-09-2010, 02:06 PM
Thanks for the laugh, Tio.

paseo
06-09-2010, 02:24 PM
oh so u federer fans want nadal to follow ur golden boy federina at everything?

how dare nadal copy anything that is not from the ballet dancer.

how dare he even disrespect the immortal one by copying a mug like murray.

:rolleyes:

Did you know that Murray improve his serve by copying Fed?

Sapeod
06-09-2010, 02:34 PM
This Nadal is weird. Murray's serve is good and fast when it gets in, but his % is awful a lot of the time.

born_on_clay
06-09-2010, 02:38 PM
uncle Toni's mental games before Wimbledon :D

Filo V.
06-09-2010, 02:39 PM
Rafa and Uncle Tony are obviously wise to look to improve Rafa's service speed and ability to get cheap points, but they should remember to use Rafa's biggest strength with his serve----the fact he's left handed. More pace is necessary but not at the detriment of serve percentage, location and lefty-advantages.

Topspin Forehand
06-09-2010, 05:40 PM
Murray has a great first serve. So hard to handle when it is on. See the Nadal/Murray match at the Australian Open and US Open. Murray's serve was the difference in those matches. lol at Fedtards in this thread.

Arkulari
06-09-2010, 06:25 PM
There are far better serves Rafa can try to imitate, Murray wouldn't be exactly at the top of my choice :o

Topspin Forehand
06-09-2010, 06:28 PM
There are far better serves Rafa can try to imitate, Murray wouldn't be exactly at the top of my choice :o

And yet Rafa had more trouble with Murray's serve than Federer's. Maybe Roddick would be a great serve to imitate. But most of the big servers are really tall and you can't teach height.

Arkulari
06-09-2010, 06:34 PM
Roddick's serve is pretty much non-teachable, it's very different :)

About Murray? Rafa has more trouble with his game in general than Roger's most of the time but you can't possibly say that the Scot has a better serve than the Swiss, it's more about a match-up issue than anything else ;)

Topspin Forehand
06-09-2010, 06:40 PM
Roddick's serve is pretty much non-teachable, it's very different :)

About Murray? Rafa has more trouble with his game in general than Roger's most of the time but you can't possibly say that the Scot has a better serve than the Swiss, it's more about a match-up issue than anything else ;)

I remember Rafa trying to imitate Fed's serve. He didn't have much success with it. He did it at the Australian Open 2007 and eventually went back to his old serve by Indian Wells.

Polikarpov
06-09-2010, 06:40 PM
Didn't he try to emulate Roger's serve as well in the Australian Open a few years back?

Arkulari
06-09-2010, 06:43 PM
I remember Rafa trying to imitate Fed's serve. He didn't have much success with it. He did it at the Australian Open 2007 and eventually went back to his old serve by Indian Wells.

Roger's serve is more textbook-like but still it's pretty difficult to learn with the wrong hand ;)

Rafa's serve isn't perfect but I think he's done the best he could with it, don't go Nole's way and screw something that works just fine just for the sake of "improving" :unsure:

Priam
06-09-2010, 06:58 PM
Rafa will hire Todd Martin soon.

Sillyrabbit
06-09-2010, 07:17 PM
It's really not such a strange concept, for a top player, I've always felt Nadal's serve was very mediocre, and most of the time, he just served to get them in. Though he could have picked someone better to want to copy, but even though Murray's first serve % is crap, when he does get them in, there's usually sting on them which is why he can play a match serving 50% or thereabouts and still serve 10+ aces.

Tonkie13
06-09-2010, 07:39 PM
big fuss about that, you really don't have minds you know. Murray can't get his serve % high cause he chockes alot and he is often mocking in himself, he chockes BIG TIME! rafa nearly doesn't choke,and he can deal with pressure, everyone knows rafa has the highest 2nd serve % won in the game so he won't chance that!

syc23
06-09-2010, 07:44 PM
Not sure why Rafa wants to model his serve like Murray. He was serving like 87% against Soderling in the FO final (3rd set) which was ridiculous. He should take tips from Sampras if he wants to improve his serve.

laurie-1
06-09-2010, 08:42 PM
Out of all people they want to copy Murrays serve :lol:

Sometimes I wonder if Uncle Toni and Rafa release these statements just to have a laugh the next morning when they appear in the papers.

Yes, I'm afraid you do have to wonder that :).

Andy Murray's serve? :scratch:

RIboy
06-09-2010, 08:47 PM
Nadal wants a forehand like Andy Murray's - that would be interesing, this is just idiotic

Abc Tennis
06-09-2010, 09:07 PM
He should try to copy Nole's serve. :angel: