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Who is the best player to never reach #1 in the world?

out_here_grindin
06-07-2010, 08:05 PM
I have seen discussion on best to never win a slam but not much on best to never be #1. I remember anbnouncers used to discuss the possibility of Nadal never reaching #1 because of how long he was ranked #2.

Djokovic has an argument because he has reached all 4 slam semifinals. Bruguera is the only multiple slam winner on this list. This list has a lot of one slam wonders. Meaning that they were never consistent enough to be #1 in the world. They were never the absolute top player.

Purple Rainbow
06-07-2010, 08:09 PM
Goran, but Djoko is making a case for himself as well.

nevenez
06-07-2010, 08:15 PM
ivanisevic:devil:

samanosuke
06-07-2010, 08:16 PM
Goran , Stich and Chang

Persimmon
06-07-2010, 08:18 PM
Chang, Nole, Bruguera.

rocketassist
06-07-2010, 08:19 PM
Ivanisevic.

Sophocles
06-07-2010, 08:25 PM
Since the official rankings started in 1973, probably Vilas.

TennisOnWood
06-07-2010, 08:27 PM
Vilas,Ivanisevic

LeChuck
06-07-2010, 08:28 PM
Guillermo Vilas by a landslide, with his 4 grand slam titles and 62 titles in total.
In 1977 he won 2 slams and 16 titles in total. By all accounts had the modern day ranking system been in place in the 70s, he would have reached world no. 1

spriwi
06-07-2010, 08:38 PM
Vilasm no doubt.

out_here_grindin
06-07-2010, 08:52 PM
Guillermo Vilas by a landslide, with his 4 grand slam titles and 62 titles in total.
In 1977 he won 2 slams and 16 titles in total. By all accounts had the modern day ranking system been in place in the 70s, he would have reached world no. 1

that's why I didn't include him

zlaja777
06-07-2010, 08:56 PM
Djokovic for sure, maybe Goran also

Selby
06-07-2010, 09:01 PM
Can we please have a list of Grand Slam champions who've never reached it?

LeChuck
06-07-2010, 09:03 PM
that's why I didn't include him

Fair enough.

From the poll options, in terms of results/body of work, probably Djokovic. After winning Indian Wells in 2008, in his 52 week ranking table his last 4 grand slam results were SF,SF,F,W and he was the defending champion of 3 masters series events plus Estoril and Vienna. Many players have held the world no. 1 ranking with weaker results than that, and Djokovic couldn't even get to world no. 2 with those results (of course he had to wait until this year to reach world no. 2).

In terms of talent, Michael Stich. He could have been one of the greats if he had more drive and determination. Despite winning a slam he is still a much bigger underachiever than Rios and Nalbandian in my opinion.

Manila ESQ
06-07-2010, 09:10 PM
Nalbandian, Safin

samanosuke
06-07-2010, 09:11 PM
Nalbandian, Safin

Safin has been #1

TennisOnWood
06-07-2010, 09:13 PM
Djokovic for sure, maybe Goran also

Very objective :o

vn01
06-07-2010, 09:31 PM
Pat Cash,Noah also.Stich and Ivanisevic

TennisOnWood
06-07-2010, 09:33 PM
Can we please have a list of Grand Slam champions who've never reached it?

Australian Open :

1976 Mark Edmondson
1977 Roscoe Tanner
1977 Vitas Gerulaitis
1978 Guillermo Vilas
1979 Guillermo Vilas
1980 Brian Teache
1981 Johan Kriek
1982 Johan Kriek
1998 Petr Korda
2002 Thomas Johansson
2008 Novak Djokovic

French Open :

1976 Adriano Panatta
1977 Guillermo Vilas
1983 Yannick Noah
1989 Michael Chang
1990 Andres Gomez
1993 Sergi Bruguera
1994 Sergi Bruguera
2002 Albert Costa

Wimbledon :

1975 Arthur Ashe
1987 Pat Cash
1991 Michael Stich
1996 Richard Krajicek
2001 Goran Ivanisevic

US Open :

1975 Manuel Orantes
1977 Guillermo Vilas
2009 Juan Martin Del Potro

Selby
06-07-2010, 09:44 PM
Thanks mate.
So it's Goran for me then, but I'm a bit biased against clay so objectively it's probably Vilas.

Har-Tru
06-07-2010, 09:50 PM
Vilas or Ashe.

Elbarto
06-07-2010, 09:54 PM
Nalbandian

born_on_clay
06-07-2010, 10:55 PM
Djokovic is too young to judge

rocketassist
06-07-2010, 11:05 PM
It is Vilas. Me bad. Goran second though.

Nole fan
06-08-2010, 12:26 AM
Very simple answer to that: Djokovic.
If it wasn't for superNadal and fedEX this guy would have been nş1 by now and for a long time...

Bagelicious
06-08-2010, 12:33 AM
The only reason I didn't pick Djokovic is because he's still young and has a chance. Went with Ivanisevic instead, although Vilas has the best argument.

Rafter_forever
06-08-2010, 12:35 AM
Vilas, Stich, Ivanisevic, Brugera, Korda in this order

Chiakifug
06-08-2010, 12:36 AM
:spit:

oranges
06-08-2010, 12:36 AM
Very simple answer to that: Djokovic.
If it wasn't for superNadal and fedEX this guy would have been nş1 by now and for a long time...

With QFs of slams as average results? Fed and Nadal are hardly his only problems for a long while. In fact, one of them was out for a good chunk of the last season and Joker didn't exactly help himself to No2 offered on a plate

Nole fan
06-08-2010, 12:39 AM
With QFs of slams as average results? Fed and Nadal are hardly his only problems for a long while. In fact, one of them was out for a good chunk of the last season and Joker didn't exactly help himself to No2 offered on a plate

I'm not talking about this season... he could have been nş1 much sooner. And remember he's made SF of all four slams.

But I agree he shouldn't be on this list because he still has many years ahead to be nş 1 and I don't have ANY doubt that he will be and not just for a while...

Chiakifug
06-08-2010, 12:45 AM
Very simple answer to that: Djokovic.
If it wasn't for superNadal and fedEX this guy would have been nş1 by now and for a long time...

You can say that for ANY player who was close to it, there have been players too good in all era's.

CyBorg
06-08-2010, 12:49 AM
I'd definitely say Ashe over Vilas. Ashe was an amazing player.

In 1975 he won two huge titles - Dallas and Wimbledon, but he was an excellent player for years before that.

luie
06-08-2010, 12:57 AM
Villas

Sunfire
06-08-2010, 01:59 AM
It should be Villas.
Djokovic come close.
No way Henman made this list of the best...

leng jai
06-08-2010, 08:50 AM
Haas, except he will be no 1 before he retire so it doesn't matter.

Mimi
06-08-2010, 09:07 AM
nole and goran:cool:

ossie
06-08-2010, 10:25 AM
del potro

Sophocles
06-08-2010, 10:30 AM
Ashe has a good case as well, particularly if you take into account his achievements before 1973.

n8
06-08-2010, 10:39 AM
The following players peaked at number two in the world:

Manuel Orantes
Guillermo Vilas
Arthur Ashe
Michael Stich
Goran Ivanišević
Michael Chang
Petr Korda
Àlex Corretja
Magnus Norman
Tommy Haas*
Andy Murray*
Novak Djokovic*

*active player

CmonAussie
06-08-2010, 10:47 AM
...
Vilas, then Chang.!!

Mlad
06-08-2010, 10:49 AM
Nalbandian

Black Adam
06-08-2010, 11:02 AM
Then why isn't Nalbandian on the poll.
Stop making threads that have already been made.

out_here_grindin
06-08-2010, 02:04 PM
Then why isn't Nalbandian on the poll.
Stop making threads that have already been made.

Nalbandian didn't win a slam. Everyone else on the list did bar Henman. Yes I could have left Henman off

Sophocles
06-08-2010, 02:05 PM
Nalbandian is over-rated.

lonely
06-08-2010, 02:51 PM
well.............lets say yusny or andy rodick.........oh forget gulbis why not....hahaha...nothing is impossibl
ehm ehm ehm just a point view
dont be nervous
:wavey:

ApproachShot
06-08-2010, 10:33 PM
Ashe, Vilas and Djokovic in my opinion.

And although this is slightly beside the point but at some point in in 1988 Wilander was clearly the best player ever not to have been ranked world number 1. I believe he won all 7 of his grand slams before he reached the top spot.

Mjau!
06-08-2010, 10:58 PM
Söderling when he wins Wimbledon next month.

Filo V.
06-09-2010, 03:45 AM
The answer clearly is not any of the players listed (Vilas, Ashe etc.) but from all the guys listed, Nole is going to be the best once his career is over and already has a record as good if not better than several of these guys. He's the most consistently good player on all surfaces. So he's the clear answer.

megadeth
06-09-2010, 04:20 AM
chang, haas (due to unfortunate injuries), goran.

Sapeod
06-09-2010, 02:57 PM
Henman was a treat to watch, just because he was a S&V player.

Everko
06-09-2010, 05:34 PM
Djokovic. Very consistent at all surfaces and a slam winner

joplin
06-09-2010, 05:39 PM
Miloslav Mečíř comes to mind, to bad injuries had plagued his career

Sophocles
06-09-2010, 05:41 PM
Djokovic has won ONE SLAM so far, & right now, he's not looking as though he's winning any more soon. I hope this will change, but as of now, he is clearly NOT the best player to fail to reach No. 1.

Everko
06-09-2010, 05:42 PM
Djokovic has won ONE SLAM so far, & right now, he's not looking as though he's winning any more soon. I hope this will change, but as of now, he is clearly NOT the best player to fail to reach No. 1.

he has all 4 semifinals at slams. masters titles and another slam final which he should have won

Sophocles
06-09-2010, 05:44 PM
he has all 4 semifinals at slams. masters titles and another slam final which he should have won

He's done well & he's probably the best CURRENT player to fail to reach Number One, but his resume hardly compares with Vilas's or Ashe's yet.

Everko
06-09-2010, 05:44 PM
He's done well & he's probably the best CURRENT player to fail to reach Number One, but his resume hardly compares with Vilas's or Ashe's yet.

I thought those players played when the rankings were different

Sophocles
06-09-2010, 05:46 PM
I thought those players played when the rankings were different

They did, but the ranking system has changed a number of times.

Ibracadabra
06-09-2010, 06:07 PM
Nalbandian

Henry Kaspar
06-09-2010, 07:26 PM
Chang or Ivanisevic since the beginning of computer based rankings.

Vilas, Ashe previously.

ShotmaKer
06-09-2010, 09:21 PM
Chang or Ivanisevic since the beginning of computer based rankings.

Vilas, Ashe previously.

i agree with this.

ChinoRios4Ever
06-10-2010, 02:29 AM
G. Vilas

Navratil
06-10-2010, 03:17 PM
Stich & Haas - both were # 2 players!

And what about Philippoussis?

out_here_grindin
09-16-2010, 03:24 AM
Djokovic strengthens his case after the US Open

Action Jackson
09-16-2010, 03:25 AM
Vilas and it's not close.

emotion
09-16-2010, 03:26 AM
The Djoker is climbing up the list... given his terrible 1st 5 months of 2010 during his best tournaments, he can really catch Nadal

Johnny Groove
09-16-2010, 03:32 AM
I voted for Pat Cash since Vilas is not in the poll.

Too bad he played during Lendl's peak.

Nole fan
09-16-2010, 11:56 AM
Djokovic strengthens his case after the US Open

+1

A_Skywalker
09-16-2010, 11:59 AM
The Djoker is climbing up the list... given his terrible 1st 5 months of 2010 during his best tournaments, he can really catch Nadal

How is he goind to catch him? He performs worser in Masters series too, Nadal wins twice more points in MS and I can see him losing only 1 of the clay masters next year.

borracho
09-16-2010, 02:16 PM
Chang is not an option imo, his game has always been too mediocre to claim the no 1 spot. Throughout his career he never achieved a very high (no 1-worthy) level of play like for example Stich and Ivanisevic did. Chang in top form wasn't even close to Ivanisevic in top form.

I leave Djoko out of consideration since he's still playing. I leave Ashe and Vilas out of consideration since I have never seen them play.

Henry Kaspar
09-16-2010, 02:38 PM
Guillermo Vilas.

By some margin, really. Next is probably Arthur Ashe.

Henry Kaspar
09-16-2010, 02:51 PM
Chang is not an option imo, his game has always been too mediocre to claim the no 1 spot. Throughout his career he never achieved a very high (no 1-worthy) level of play like for example Stich and Ivanisevic did. Chang in top form wasn't even close to Ivanisevic in top form.


Strange only that Chang won 34 career titles compared to Ivanisevic' 22, and was 6-4 vs. Ivanisevic head-to-head.

Ivanisevic is one of my all time favorites, as a player and as a bloke, the kind of character that tennis needs to be entertaining. But he was far too inconsistent to be #1, plus depended too much on his serve. While Stich was physically superbly gifted but mentally too shaky, plus prone to injuries.

Chang is underrated to this day, I suppose because he was shortish and always looked like a too nice kid who could'nt really hurt the big, mean guys. But a glimpse at his career stats shows that he did.

emotion
09-16-2010, 03:06 PM
How is he goind to catch him? He performs worser in Masters series too, Nadal wins twice more points in MS and I can see him losing only 1 of the clay masters next year.

a poor (or even purty good) clay season from Nadal, Nole winning AO and RG is pretty much the hope ATM :p

pica_pica
09-16-2010, 07:21 PM
Some stats:

Djokovic, age 23, 7 years after turning pro, 17 titles (1 GS), $19M prize money
Ferrero, age 30, 12 years after turning pro, 15 titles (1 GS), $13M prize money
Roddick, age 28, 10 years after turning pro, 29 titles (1 GS), $19M prize money
Hewitt, age 29, 12 years after turning pro, 28 titles (2 GS), $19M prize money
Moya, age 34, 15 years after turning pro, 20 titles (1 GS), $13M prize money

Nole's certainly in this league at least, but he has Federer and Nadal the two GOATs at their peaks

Henry Kaspar
09-16-2010, 08:08 PM
Some stats:

Djokovic, age 23, 7 years after turning pro, 17 titles (1 GS), $19M prize money
Ferrero, age 30, 12 years after turning pro, 15 titles (1 GS), $13M prize money
Roddick, age 28, 10 years after turning pro, 29 titles (1 GS), $19M prize money
Hewitt, age 29, 12 years after turning pro, 28 titles (2 GS), $19M prize money
Moya, age 34, 15 years after turning pro, 20 titles (1 GS), $13M prize money

Nole's certainly in this league at least, but he has Federer and Nadal the two GOATs at their peaks

I have Djokovic at present at #31 of my open era ranking (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=168797). Of those you listed only Hewitt and Roddick are ahead of him.

PistolSampras
09-16-2010, 09:11 PM
Petr Korda.

Sapeod
09-16-2010, 09:20 PM
Petr Korda.
He was one match away from no.1 if I'm not mistaken.

Sapeod
09-16-2010, 09:24 PM
Whoever said Vilas is right.

He is ahead in this list by quite a bit.
I'm still astonished he didn't reach no.1 with so many titles in 1 year (1977 I think?).

Ashe follows, then Bruguera and Djokovic

DrJules
09-16-2010, 09:25 PM
Interestingly Ashe who won 1 AO in 1970, 1 W in 1975 and 1 USO in 1968 was actually the ATP player of the year in 1975, but never ranked number 1.

Actually he is the only player of the year to have never been ranked number 1.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATP_World_Tour_Awards

Sonja1989
09-16-2010, 09:34 PM
If Djoko has good form, he is the best.

Seingeist
09-17-2010, 01:42 AM
I've not seen Vilas play, but it seems pretty hard to argue with 4 grand slams, two of which were in the same calendar year.

On a side note, it's somewhat interesting that the US Open has only been won by 3 players who never achieved world #1 (and Del Potro could possibly hit #1 in the future, which would reduce it to two players), making it the best Grand Slam indicator of who is or will be world #1.

Filo V.
09-17-2010, 01:53 AM
Oscar Hernandez.

.-Federers_Mate-.
09-17-2010, 05:09 AM
well.............lets say yusny or andy rodick.........oh forget gulbis why not....hahaha...nothing is impossibl
ehm ehm ehm just a point view
dont be nervous
:wavey:


Youzhny? really? wow

out_here_grindin
05-10-2011, 10:09 PM
Djokovic strengthening his case. But may be #1 in not too long