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Stronger Field : Clay or Grass?

crude oil
06-06-2010, 07:33 PM
We have two of the greatest players on their respective surfaces in the current era. Some have attributed their almost unprecedented dominance due to the lack of surface specialists and an overall weaker field on clay/grass.

While it is clear to many that both would have been successful in any era. It is not so clear the extent of their dominance. So in your opinion, which field is the stronger of the two?

Clay field or the Grass field?

Beforehand
06-06-2010, 07:40 PM
I would say it's slightly easier to play hardcourt/neutral tennis effectively at Wimbledon than it is at the French Open, though on the right day at the French, you can clearly get away with it quite easily.

Sapeod
06-06-2010, 07:41 PM
The grass field is much stronger and much better to look at.

M4RC
06-06-2010, 07:44 PM
The grass field is much stronger and much better to look at.

I'm going to note down this comment in case Nadal wins Queens and/or Wimbledon.

Pirata.
06-06-2010, 08:00 PM
There aren't enough tournaments on grass to even answer this properly. There are many more clay and hard court events and nearly all the players grow up playing on hard or clay courts.

If there were a couple grass masters, 500 tournaments, just a longer grass season in general, it would be easier to gauge how strong the grass field is, but the season is simply too short for anyone to make any sort of impact.

BodyServe
06-06-2010, 08:06 PM
There aren't enough tournaments on grass to even answer this properly. There are many more clay and hard court events and nearly all the players grow up playing on hard or clay courts.

If there were a couple grass masters, 500 tournaments, just a longer grass season in general, it would be easier to gauge how strong the grass field is, but the season is simply too short for anyone to make any sort of impact.

This.

We can't compare clay and grass when one has a proper season and the other hasn't.

LEGENDOFTENNIS
06-06-2010, 08:18 PM
Grass = Federer/Nadal/Roddick/Murray/Gasquet/Hewitt/Karlovic
Clay = Federer/Nadal/Djokovic/Soderling/Verdasco/Almagro

Halba
06-06-2010, 08:21 PM
Grass = Federer/Nadal/Roddick/Murray/Gasquet/Hewitt/Karlovic
Clay = Federer/Nadal/Djokovic/Soderling/Verdasco/Almagro

agreed. theres the same no. but the skills of the guys in the top group are better e.g. murray

rocketassist
06-06-2010, 08:31 PM
Hmmm. Grass slightly. Aside from the top two you have Roddick and Hewitt still scrapping it out there, plus Murray and Gasquet.

Almugro and Verdasco are mental midgets/clowns. Djokovic loses two set leads to journeymen (though I like Jurgen) and while Soderling rules, he is not a clay court type player, more an indoor player.

So grass. But both are poor right now.

Sapeod
06-06-2010, 08:31 PM
I'm going to note down this comment in case Nadal wins Queens and/or Wimbledon.
Why?

Wouldn't that just further prove my point? :rolleyes:

Pirata.
06-06-2010, 09:13 PM
Clay = Federer/Nadal/Djokovic/Soderling/Verdasco/Almagro

You would put Verdasco and Almagro on this list but not Ferrer?

M4RC
06-06-2010, 10:33 PM
Grass = Federer/Nadal/Roddick/Murray/Gasquet/Hewitt/Karlovic
Clay = Federer/Nadal/Djokovic/Soderling/Verdasco/Almagro

Tell me clay list is not ordered :rolleyes:

Boris Franz Ecker
06-06-2010, 10:58 PM
nadal is too good on clay. söderling would rather be a grass court player than a clay court player.

Har-Tru
06-06-2010, 11:04 PM
The sad answer is: hard.

M4RC
06-06-2010, 11:08 PM
The sad answer is: hard.

The only surface that does not need real skill to play on: just a powerful serve and a pair of bombs per side to win each point.

rocketassist
06-06-2010, 11:09 PM
The only surface that does not need real skill to play on: just a powerful serve and a pair of bombs per side to win each point.

I'd agree with this to a small extent. USO 2009 was a tragedy for tennis.

Har-Tru
06-06-2010, 11:16 PM
The only surface that does not need real skill to play on: just a powerful serve and a pair of bombs per side to win each point.

I'd agree with this to a small extent. USO 2009 was a tragedy for tennis.

Say the Spaniard and the Brit. Wait for the Yanks to storm in chanting the wonders of hard courts.

I've always wanted to open a thread on how the place you're born influences your views on surfaces.

rocketassist
06-06-2010, 11:23 PM
Say the Spaniard and the Brit. Wait for the Yanks to storm in chanting the wonders of hard courts.

I've always wanted to open a thread on how the place you're born influences your views on surfaces.

I was in holiday on the Costa Brava for the first week of RG and all they had were stupid hard courts, I wanted to see if Spanish clay compared to British clay as well :mad:

Bargearse
06-06-2010, 11:25 PM
Based on what I believe was a snoozefest in the FO men's tournament, I want to believe that the depth of field on grass is stronger than clay. I don't think Wimbledon has a definite winner this year - Fed's game lacks passion & his ranking drop makes me think he is somewhat vulnerable. I was more intereted in the women's tournament for the first time since like 1998 - tennis really won on that side. On the men's side however.... :unsure:

Har-Tru
06-06-2010, 11:26 PM
I was in holiday on the Costa Brava for the first week of RG and all they had were stupid hard courts, I wanted to see if Spanish clay compared to British clay as well :mad:

lol really? in tennis clubs?

Certinfy
06-06-2010, 11:30 PM
Grass.

rocketassist
06-06-2010, 11:30 PM
lol really? in tennis clubs?

I was in Calonge near Platja d'aro. Seen two hardcourt clubs. The camp I was at and the two next door- hard courts. Was disappointed to say the least!

Har-Tru
06-06-2010, 11:36 PM
I was in Calonge near Platja d'aro. Seen two hardcourt clubs. The camp I was at and the two next door- hard courts. Was disappointed to say the least!

That's strange. Maybe they were sort of light-hearted clubs for tourists?

Apart from Madrid, everywhere I've been along the Med coast (Barcelona area, Mallorca, Tarragona and Valencia) the clubs are all clay except for the odd solitary artificial grass or hard court.

But do you have clay at all in England?

rocketassist
06-06-2010, 11:38 PM
That's strange.

Apart from Madrid, everywhere I've been along the Med coast (Barcelona area, Mallorca, Tarragona and Valencia) the clubs are all clay except for the odd solitary artificial grass or hard court.

But do you have clay at all in England?

Yes!!! Where I live, every outdoor court is clay, and all the hardcourts are indoors!

Odd isn't it :lol: No grass except at clubs who can afford to pay to run them.

luie
06-06-2010, 11:39 PM
Grass.

Har-Tru
06-06-2010, 11:45 PM
Yes!!! Where I live, every outdoor court is clay, and all the hardcourts are indoors!

Odd isn't it :lol: No grass except at clubs who can afford to pay to run them.

Very odd. The world upside down.

Percentage of clay courts vs total tennis courts per country (1):

Argentina: 99%.

Chile: 96%.

Germany: 95%.

Austria: 95%.

Belgium: 87%.

Mexico: 87%.

Spain: 84%.

Russia: 75%.

Italy: 73%.

Japan: 40%.

Canada: 37%.

France: 15%.

United States: 13%.

Great Britain: 1%.

Australia: 1%.

Sources:
(1) l'Association pour le Développement de la Terre Battue (ADTB) (Association for the Development of Clay Courts), Bénesse-Maremne, France. Website: http://www.terrebattue.org

rocketassist
06-07-2010, 01:32 AM
Are they counting club courts only, or courts in a local park as well?

DwyaneWade
06-07-2010, 01:57 AM
Say the Spaniard and the Brit. Wait for the Yanks to storm in chanting the wonders of hard courts.

I've always wanted to open a thread on how the place you're born influences your views on surfaces.

Well I am American and I prefer playing myself on clay over hardcourt (grew up playing on Hartru :p). As for watching I enjoy all the surfaces but prefer the variety which comes with clay and grasscourt tennis. Rewards the more balanced players.

I feel if I had ever played on grass as a youngster my volleys would be better :sad:. Instead I grew up with my western grip and slugging topspin 5 feet behind the baseline, then ended up growing to 6 foot 4 inches :confused:. Thus I now prefer to move forward, but people always wonder how I track so many balls down but sliding on a hardcourt is :o Right knee with chronic tendonitis...

Har-Tru
06-07-2010, 02:15 AM
Are they counting club courts only, or courts in a local park as well?

Don't know, but my guess is club courts, otherwise the numbers for Spain and Germany (the ones I know) wouldn't match.

Filo V.
06-07-2010, 03:38 AM
Both are weak fields, and Roger and Rafa are just so far ahead of the pack that is truly doesn't matter.

Action Jackson
06-07-2010, 03:55 AM
Trick question.